Wednesday, May 7, 2008

I hate Copy and Paste

You see, there's this totally awesome feature called copy and paste. These smart guys at Xerox PARC invented it. It lets you takes some text from one document and put it in another.

Well Linux does it even better! It gives you two copy and pastes!

How are they different? one is PRIMARY and the other is CLIPBOARD. Get it? One way, you select the text that you want, and middle click. Another way you can select what you want, hit the copy key or menu, and then paste. But if you know what's good for you and your family, you won't mix the two.

Select some text, and then hit Control+V in another app? nada. Incorrect.

Select some text, then move to an xterm and hit Shift+Insert? works. But try it on a pidgin chat window? Fail.

But don't worry. It's all good. It's in the standard.

Let's see. Listed disadvantages of having two clipboards:


- inconsistent with Mac/Windows
- confusingly, selecting anything overwrites the clipboard
- not efficient with a tool such as xclipboard
- you should be able to select text, then paste the clipboard
over it, but that doesn't work if the selection and
clipboard are the same
- the Copy menu item is useless and does nothing,
which is confusing
- if you think of PRIMARY as the current selection,
Cut doesn't make any sense since the selection simultaneously
disappears and becomes the current selection


Ok, but there must be some awesome advantages to justify these disadvantages.


PRIMARY is an "easter egg" for expert users, regular users
can just ignore it; it's normally pastable only via
middle-mouse-click.


Sweet. So it's a cool 3l33t h4x0r feature, but if you try to use it, don't complain that it's poorly designed. Let's not try to add a feature that's useful to everyone. Instead, lets add something that requires a certain level of intellect and mental capacity to use effectively. Because it's one of those features that make our platform awesome. And it makes people who use it smarter. We're constantly training their brains to track two clipboards instead of one.

Hey Ma! Check it out, I can middle click! Oops, I accidentally scrolled because I have to push my scroll wheel in. I bet you didn't even know that you could push the scroll wheel in. I'm so much better than you.

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Matt said...

I'd actually like this feature a lot more if all the programs supported it right. If you ctrl-c to copy, some programs fill both buffers, so you lose your highlight buffer.

Anonymous said...

That just says to me that the even opensource developers (who are all gods, by the way) don't even understand it. But of course the users will.

Anonymous said...

generally i agree with most of your other posts, but this is actually one of my favourite features over windows. i use the buffers in parallel all of the time. never heard anybody complain about it, even though i am in a unix-only environment at work, where most of my colleages have no clue whatsoever. (And why would they? It works perfectly normal if you use it just like on Windows.)

c&p rocks most on x.

Anonymous said...

Yes, PRIMARY is not for everyone. You can just forget about PRIMARY. Use ^C, ^X and ^V and the "problem!!!" just vanishes.

btw, can I copy text from a cmd.exe window by using the "global standard" ^C ? oops.

Anonymous said...

Bit late to say this...but

1)select some text in a xterm
2)press ^C
3)go to other program
4)press ^V
FAIL

or, go the other way around and FAIL again

so...you say no one needs to care about PRIMARY?

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Anonymous said...

Just noticed this post.

This is a unix-ism. Go to solaris, irix, etc. They all have middle-click to paste out of your X copy buffer.

Also, normal users don't use xterm, so no, ctrl+c/v won't work in an xterm. I'm not even going to mention ctrl+middle-click, ctrl+left-click, ctrl+right-click.

Taylor Carpenter said...

If you want to use the clipboard in a terminal use gnome-terminal or something similar which supports it. What is great about select to copy and middle-click to paste is the speed. Especially if you use focus follows mouse (not raise window on focus which is different). Select text say in Firefox, move mouse over xterm and middle click. Boom to clicks to copy and paste text.

Users who are wanting the ^C/^V behavior are most likely not those working in an xterm and apps that are about speeding up repetitive keyboard/mouse activity (such as Vi). Most everything these days supports ^C/^V or an alternative app does (eg. gnome-terminal for xterm).

Re: trying to keep to paste buffers in your head... Most users using select/middle-click do not use ^C/^V often so it is not an issue.

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Yup, and depressingly you have to install a program like glipper or parcellite to take care of this. Linux Mint installs parcellite by default, which is a first step, but as you said, this was invented FORTY years ago, and Linux has yet to come up with a conclusive spec for copying and pasting.

As a devoted Linux fan, I am truly depressed by this. Keep up your rants, it's getting the community to talk... you're embarrassing them too easily.

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