Holy fuck. Wine hit 1.0.
What does 1.0 mean? Not too much apparently. I take it to mean "hey, none of the apps that you actually want to use work, but you know, at least this will get you to try it for a few minutes."
Yep. I tried it for a few minutes. It still sucks. Mission accomplished. Thanks for toiling a way for 15 years and creating something that I still don't care about. You've shown me that without a doubt, there could have been no better use of those 15 years.
But no really. I tried installing Office 2003, and it actually installed. Outlook doesn't start though. And I can't launch the SP1 or SP2 installer. Awesome. But you know, this is great, since like, the rest of the world is moving on to Office 2007. Way to strive for relevancy guys. It's really impressive.
Actually, as far as I could tell, Word, Excel, and PowerPoint seem to start and work kinda OK. I still wouldn't trust anything to it, but you know, you might be able to convince some European city council members that it totally works.
Oh wait, or I could just run Office in a virtual machine. For free.
But the saddest part of it all is that, even in its half-working state, this shit is still more useful to me than I-almost-look-the-same OpenOffice. Even if it crashes once in a while, what PowerPoint on Wine manages to show me is way more useful than Impress showing me a mentally challenged child's drawing that kinda looks like the slides I spent hours on. And apps on Wine start faster than their OO equivalents which totally makes up for the fact that they crash all the time.
Y'all seem to want me to rant about OpenOffice. There's not much to say, I mean, I don't really use it. I can't remember the last time someone sent me an SXW, so why the fuck would I use something different? Especially something that doesn't work as well as the original. Because it's free? Because all your other examples of fantastic open source software should make me blindly trust this one too? well I actually like to pay money for my sanity. Obviously y'all don't value it as much.
Besides, real programmers don't use office suites. And fo shizzle, real programmers on Linux definitely don't use office suites. No, they just annoy the world by telling everyone re-send their shit in PDF. I'm sure Adobe's laughing all the way to the bank.
Actually, now that I think about it, I do have one adecdote. I have a lady friend, who uses Excel for a living, to whom I offered to install OO on her new Windows machine because she needed something to do her work. A week later, she came back and took a big shit on my lap. And then slapped me across the face with it. Now I know that kind of thing might get some of you kinktards off, but that pretty much taught me my lesson.
But you know, I still somehow keep wishing that a random group of volunteer programmers can magically recreate the work done by thousands of Microsoft engineers. I mean, that would be totally awesome. So would having Jessica Alba as a sex slave. Maybe if I work for the next 15 years, I too could end up with a bugly look-alike.
Actually, I dunno, maybe it could really be done. Many times I've thought that if all of y'all actually cooperated and built one office suite, then maybe it might be better, or at least as good. Then I looked around and saw OO, Gnumeric/Abiword, and KOffice, and concluded that you guys didn't get the memo about what the "co" in cooperate means. But you know, ODF will save us all. Or something.
Friday, June 20, 2008
0.99 bottles of wine on the wall
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52 flames:
You're like the second coming of Christ.
Beautiful sermon--all we need is a mound.
Ah.. c'mon. Its all about choices. Choice between two things that doesn't work, or something.
I also don't like OO. And now IBM has something called Symphony, that is still slower than OO (really, no joking!).
This is one area where Linux has a lot to work.
But you know, I still somehow keep wishing that a random group of volunteer programmers can magically recreate the work done by thousands of Microsoft engineers. I mean, that would be totally awesome. So would having Jessica Alba as a sex slave. Maybe if I work for the next 15 years, I too could end up with a bugly look-alike.
I shall help you, oh mighty Linux Hater!
Oh, bisquits! Even though I strongly disagree, I appreciate all the silly profanity.
But hey hater, where does all your damn stinky ape lovin' go? Dont ya go wastin' it on that Billy Bob Gates Ass Slave Farm now, ya hear. :-)
When people start talking about Excel, sometimes I'm not so sure if they know how important and complete is this tool. I know a lot of analysts that they work -- read as how they get money to live, is based on Excel. It would be really tough to another player to take ms office suite market share.
Besides, real programmers don't use office suites.
Actually, I think this explains everything about OpenOffice.
Besides, real programmers don't use office suites.
Dude... everyone knows real programmers use Emacs in their awesome LISP coded presentation mode.
"Besides, real programmers don't use office suites."
Programmers also do not create graphics, which explains the GIMP.
To be honest though, this is one of your weaker rants. Bashing the guys who are doing the most to make proprietary software run on Linux, and who the rest of the FOSS world love to hate on as well, is a little low.
So Wine isn't bug for bug compatible yet. It won't ever be. But at least I can run WoW on it.
"Dude... everyone knows real programmers use Emacs in their awesome LISP coded presentation mode."
Actually, nothing gives more pleasure to a programmer than LaTeX. What could be better than using something you never know how to pronounce, is turing complete and you have to compile.
I would give Wine people a break though. It is not their true fault that Wine semi sucks, it's because they are doing the guess-work to implement the features that aren't openly documented or crappy complex implementations and for that, is a good work to rescue the Linux fanboys and the likes. (And while helping some people in ReactOS or something for fun.)
Also, as for OO.o, I admit they aren't great products, except they still work good enough for many people that OO.o devs made some part of the world realize that people didn't need to keep donating 1% of their profit back to MS every year. And some organazation are starting to switch over, which is good that when OO.o gets good enough to spread the more open formats (which is more important than spreading semi good OO.o itself), then other third party with more motivation to build a usable office suite can build them in a totally compatible way with other office suites, maybe for a student discount at $30 suit instead of 10 times more for stuff that hasn't changed in over 10 years.
So, yeah, free stuff has been crappy all the time, but those 'enterprise' hefty stuff sucks too and we want something in between.
Also, while 10 times more random hobby coders won't beat a product of a well skilled paid organized team's product, MS' way of delivering a product is far from optimal it's not even funny. Let's say, how much money did MS put in the last decade on office product and increased how many percentage of user satisfaction?
When you think about it, with budget of MS, with number of developers of MS, with 6 years to get a new Windows out, I'm sure someone with same amount of resource could've made a whole new Windows from scratch that works way better. But I guess MS forgot how to manage resources since year 2k.
And I'm sorry about your lady friend...
Wine: "Hey, look Market, we know you can't really hit that target named Linux even if you tried. Most of you are small teams of people who don't have a lot of resources. We feel for ya. Besides, why duplicate work for the people with almost no market share. We can make your code half-work on Linux. Wanna use Winelib? lol"
Market: "Go. Away. And take that hippy shit with you."
Wine: "Awww," :( "Guess we wasted 15 year guys... BUT HEY! We're at v1.0 and there's plenty of FOSS Zealot hooker yes-men to kiss our asses! LET THE PARTY BEGIN!!!"
*Market continues on, unaffected*
One of the weaker rants, I agree.
OO.org serves all my office needs at home, why pay if I open Word docs or spreadsheets twice a year?
For someone who earns their living with Excel.. maybe, but why should I care? After all, they earn money with spreadsheeting (or is it 'shitspreading'? sorry, couldn't contain myself =] ), I guess they can afford to buy the tools of their trade.
@LH: My fucking god, are you too cheap to keep a windows partition about or what? OSX leave your wallet naked?
I like wine. I run Steam, Word/Excel 2003 (they are simply the best!), Picasa, uTorrent, and Photoshop CS2. All in all i am pretty pleased with the wine teams efforts. I've had no real issues with any of these apps running on wine since 0.6 was released. In fact Wine/MS Office apps start faster than OpenOffice apps on my Ubuntu system! I generally despise OO.org apps.
Interestingly uTorrent actually advertises the fact its compatible with Wine -- that's cool. wines no joke.
Your a asshat.
Besides, OO don't use sxw any more, which kinda invalidates your whole argument and then some.
I knew this blog post was all about talking the sxw file format.
@h1d:
this blog post was all about talking the sxw file format.
No, you mean the comments are all about talking the sxw file format.
"You're like the second coming of Christ."
When was there a first coming?
//When was there a first coming?//
Umm ...like, 2008 years ago?
Wine provides a way to use Windows shared libraries (DLLs). It does a good job at this task. The task of actually using those libraries to allow specific Windows-only programs to function on Linux is generally left up to others.
For instance, if wine didn't exist, Linux users wouldn't have Google Earth to play with. But it wasn't the wine guys that made Google Earth work, it was Google using wine that made it work.
Other projects, such as Sedega or CrossOver Office, are more commercial-driven efforts that use wine for specific applications.
TONS of stuff works because wine has allowed that to happen. It's goal is not to have every application in existence work, but to provide the best foundation possible to allow others to get applications that they want to work.
I guess I hardly see a point to your post, other than a demonstration of a total lack of understanding in Wine's purpose.
H1d said "When you think about it, with budget of MS, with number of developers of MS, with 6 years to get a new Windows out, I'm sure someone with same amount of resource could've made a whole new Windows from scratch that works way better."
On the other hand, creating a new Windows from scratch is actually easier. What's hard is creating an interesting one that improves the experience for everyone and *remains compatible* with most of what came before.
Nevermind the fact that it wasn't 6 years, and that a couple of them were spent on a project that got thrown out.
"But you know, I still somehow keep wishing that a random group of volunteer programmers can magically recreate the work done by thousands of Microsoft engineers."
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Dear Linux Hater
Why did you start ranting about OpenOffice? It isn't a Linux-only app; don't muddy your argument.
"Why did you start ranting about OpenOffice? It isn't a Linux-only app; don't muddy your argument."
Because is the only decent office suite in Linux-land, obviously. It sucks, but sadly it's the best there is.
And I can't launch the SP1 or SP2 installer. Awesome.
Damn, you actually tried to install Service Packs? You tried to install Microsoft Windows -- err XP, is it? -- Service Packs 1 and 2 installer ON WINE? Damn, you are genuine. I have this impression that you are a software developer yourself. A false one, apparently. Oh, this is really good. Can I have your name and phone number, please? I really need to quote your posts on my forum.
@Anthony M. Rasat
Uh, Microsoft Office Service Packs are different from Microsoft Windows Service Packs. Or did you now know Office has Service Packs?
You kiss your mother with that mouth?
I'm sure she's very proud.
Why the need to curse ?? we get it.. you don't like Wine or OpenOffice.. People may take your criticisms a little more to heart if you didn't write like a 14 year old.
WTF are you a retard WINE fine for me i have half-life 2 setup and running it and also office 2003 witch u sy u carn't get to fully lol what a joke do u even understand how wine works when u download wine its just the basic u have to add .DLL files and other stuff to make programs run nothing will fully run out of the box with wine only a retard would think this
This propaganda is funny.
Also Linux is the best if you use Google you are a hypocrite because it is what Google uses.
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