Wednesday, June 11, 2008

Evolution of an Ubuntu user


Most Ubuntu users start as Windows users (though, occasionally, they can be using other Linux's). But they all go through the same phases:

  1. First install: Sweet! This thing actually kinda detects most of my hardware that except for the things that I paid more than $100 for. Brown is refreshing. This is the best distro evar!
  2. 6 months later, first upgrade: Fuck, my ____ (insert wireless, graphics, acpi sleep, whatever) broke! Oh but I must be a rare case, since the "community" is testing all these releases. Ok, whatever, I'll let this one slide and I'll spend the next twenty hours fixing it and I'll post something about it in my blog, and then spend another 10 hours being helpful on ubuntuforums.com. Brown is getting boring.
  3. 6 months later, second upgrade: Fuck, now my ___ (insert something from the same list above. Inserting the same word as the previous blank is also allowed). WTF is going on here? I thought these time-based releases were supposed to be awesome.
  4. 6 months later, third upgrade: F!$$!@$!@$!@#!@. Now my compiz is blacklisted, my wifi doesn't work anymore, NetworkManager is ass-raping me, and my laptop still doesn't sleep. WTF guys!? I'm so pissed at that luser that told me this shit was better than Windows. Brown is the color of ass playdough.
  5. Some amount of time later: I'm fucking using the LTS. I can't stand this shit.
  6. 6 months later: This LTS is working a bit better, but now there's a new release out. Oh and it has some pretty new feature I want, and it's supposed to work with my graphics card better.
  7. 1 hour later, after upgrade to non-LTS: F$@!#!@$@$@!#. I hate Ubuntu. Fuckubuntu. Oh, but there are these hundred other distros I should try...
At this point, some users wake up and figure out they should just buy a Mac. Others are lost forever.

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Anonymous said...

I'm still wondering why this crap is so popular. It should be advertised "Ubuntu - distro for Linux zaelots".

triton said...

This actually hapenned with lots of people I know in the last Ubuntu release.

Anonymous said...

No need to test out Intrepid so early ;) Wait till beta 6 at least... heh.

Anonymous said...

Nope, didn't happen to me. I think to a large extent you just made all of that up.

GiX said...

Heh, so true..
I made myself some basic rules for using ubuntu:
1) never uprade using ubuntu upgrade tools. Only change /etc/apt/sources.list and update packages you need.
2) always keep old kernels
3) always prefer packages provided by developers of programs you use, not the ubuntu packages. For me this means having eclipse, java, blender, inkscape, firefox installed from non-ubuntu sources.
4) go to church regularly (-:

anyway, tell me about a better OS for which I don't have to buy a new Mac.
...seriously

jerm said...

And nobody uses Launchpad, the Ubuntu bug tracker, because it's difficult to use (worse than Bugzilla!), slow, and totally proprietary.

Good show Ubuntu! Way to encourage community support.

groggyboy said...

try a fresh install once in a while. upgrading never works seamlessly for me, but fresh installs work fine. just put your /home on a seperate partition - you don't even have to lose your personal setup that way!

h1d said...

the word 'even' somehow makes me feel sad. but that's why i'm using a mac i guess.

Anonymous said...

worksforme, always...

if someone is fag enough not to get it working, then it's his problem :)

h1d said...

rofl. that comment alone can be the next blog entry or at least as an excerpt.

Anonymous said...

Wow.

I can't believe people actually waste their bandwidth on someone's inaccurate, biased and clearly useless opinions.

Of course, because having to upgrade perfectly decent and working hardware every time Microsoft release their latest Operating System is just so environmentally friendly and ethical.

Have any of you actually read Windows Vista's EULA? I thought not, else you'd realise that you have next to no rights as a consumer aside from the right to return the software to your reseller for a full refund, which rarely happens anyway, so you're lost from the moment you buy it anyway.

It's ironic that you claim that Ubuntu GNU/Linux doesn't upgrade itself correctly, because I've never encountered a single problem. And all my software applications work afterwards too. I suppose my Windows 95 Second Edition applications will work out of the box in Windows Vista, no?

I thought not. What about Microsoft Office 2007? It's not even compatible with its own proprietary OOXML specification. No wonder the European Commission dislikes Microsoft. It can't vene keep to its own closed, proprietary standards.

Abel Cheung said...

Those say "it works for me, if you have problem kick your own ass" must've never used anything else other than what's put in your mouth by default desktop and never opened terminal once in their life.

Just 2 days ago I had to travel to data center at midnight to salvage a downed server. Because of what? Kernel update. Turn out newer kernel has zero tolerance of bad sector on LVM though somehow old kernel still works. Yes, that's ubuntu.

2 releases ago, apache upgrade renders my apache packages in an unupgradable state. Because what? Apache is not turned on. Apache refuse to update if it is not running. (Go figure.) Yet some other apache module dependencies updated and the whole thing is not startable not upgradable, with any dpkg-reconfuck or apt-get -f install or whatever. The only solution left is hand edit /var/lib/dpkg stuff. Yes, that's my own laptop running ubuntu.

Yep, I deserve that brokenness, and most of you complaining out there too. We have eaten Eve's apple. Those obey every teaching deserves comfort and eternal happiness.

Alex said...

I've been using Linux for 18 years now, and I can complete all those blanks for my last several upgrades, all on relatively common Lenovo X60.

With Hardy, I'm actually one of those tooljobs who walks around awkwardly with an open laptop because Ubuntu won't bring back my display if I close the lid. WTF?!

At this point I have so little energy to fix this shit, I just spend time learning all the new bugs in the new release and hoping they'll get fixed in the next. It's like being in a poorly-managed communist country, hoping impotently that the price of bread goes down this week.

Btw, recommending a reinstall of the OS is what we used to make fun of Window lusers for having to do.

Anonymous said...

Those say "it works for me, if you have problem kick your own ass" must've never used anything else other than what's put in your mouth by default desktop and never opened terminal once in their life.
Not only that, but they'll happily copy-paste any xorg.conf they find on Ubuntu forums, or run any command line, in a hope to find something that works. And then they'll think they are so 1337 hax0rz.

Anonymous said...

> At this point, some users wake up and
> figure out they should just buy a Mac.

That's exactly what i'm going to do. I use Linux on the desktop since 1998, there Linux on the desktop was fun. At this time Linux had some advantages over Windows 98 which was unstable and (very) insecure. However Linux was not easy to configure (I was using debian then..), there were no drivers for some hardware, etc

Now today Windows/OSX is very stable and Linux still has the same problems.

and no Ubuntu is not popular, nobody is adapting Linux on the desktop. RedHat even said that the will not considering entering the desktop market, instead stay in the Server market.

Igor said...

:D you love Ubuntu because you have been using it for 2 years or so :)

Steve said...

Hey, fantastic blog! I hate linux as much as you do, but I feel a bit alone in this. I use Live search, but all my friends use Google :-( I had to break up with my girlfriend, as she wants to see movies, of which I happen to know the effects are rendered on linux machines. But worst of all, I feel betrayed by you as well as you seem to run your blog on linux software:
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=linuxhaters.blogspot.com

Bill Gates said...

Steve... Who gives a shit? I don't care if Google runs on Linux, Solaris, Windows or DOS, I really don't.

The only thing I care, is that their service is good and fast. All that crap it's dumb talk.

andrey said...

I think that the fact that so many people leave comments on anything related to Ubuntu, in comparison to the amount of comments left on topics concerning any other thing, and the overall lack of understanding of computers displayed in the majority of the few user comments I have read demonstrate that the people active on this blog do not yet have a firm grasp of these things which you write about with your whiny opinion pieces.

There is something to be said about doing stuff for yourself instead of listening to idiots along the way that try to obfuscate your path.

ultra said...

Learn. That will be all.

Anonymous said...

Things I missed out

[x] Evolution of an Ubuntu user

Three years and still happy - what is wrong with me???

Diego Sevilla said...

Hahaha. At least you experience problems in six months intervals... If you were running any kind of Windows you'll get blue screens of death in a few hours interval :)

Anonymous said...

Hahaha. At least you experience problems in six months intervals... If you were running any kind of Windows you'll get blue screens of death in a few hours interval :)

yeah, sure.
wait, I think my remote pc's uptime is more than a month now...

where's my bluescreen? :(

Tom said...

Hahaha. At least you experience problems in six months intervals... If you were running any kind of Windows you'll get blue screens of death in a few hours interval :)
If you post ridiculous claims like that, don't be offended when people don't take you seriously.

eylisian said...

Funny shit. I can see with all the hate for ubu that you'll get the zealots all frothed up, thus getting more hits and waaaay more revenue for the google ads. Damn I wish I could have thought of it.
d00d, use what works for you, and keep baiting the ubu fanboyz. Its awesome to see 'em get so rabid. BTW, I do use ubu on the desktop & server. I do have to expend effort in making it work, yeah. It's not a fucking TV. heh, when you are done with your pout fest and crying about ass fucking, maybe you'll realize that all the free software you are bitching about is just that, free. When installing it, there is usually some bold text saying 'use at your own risk' and sometimes even humorously, mileage may vary. You act like you paid thousands of dollars on software that aside from the CD you might have burnt it on & the bandwidth to download it, cost you nothing. Gotta be American, there is no one more spoiled than the Ugly Americano. Later bitch.

Anonymous said...

As somebody, and also the blog author himself/herself/themselves mentioned, Blogger runs on linux.

Unless you rename your blog to something like desktopubuntuhaters, I won't consider your blog appropriate. The fact is that linux on the serverside is stable, and fairly straightforward to manage.

I agree with you on some points in your posts, and have been personaly bothered by them (and some other problems you haven't mentioned yet). But I think it is not honest and just to blame the whole free software and/or linux community because of mistakes of some.

Therefore, I ask you to be more accurate, and not to blame on the wrong person.

Anonymous said...

Ubuntu is an incredibly easy to use distro. If you can't figure out how to use something so simple maybe you shouldn't be using a computer at all.

Oh, but wait since its different than the windows world it must be impossible to use and we shouldn't take the smallest amount of time to learn anything. Then we can go around saying its linux thats the problem and not us.

If a bit of your time is too valuable I'm sure spending around $1000 for vista and office is worth it. Since last time I checked you guys are worth $500 an hour.

ViceVirtue said...

Ubuntu is pretty easy to use, hardware detection works a lot better than Windows.
It's a lot faster than Windows.
I'm a computer technician and a lot of my work involves fixing windows updates, which happens to mess up all the bloody time. The XP SP3 install seemed to want to crash about half-way through every time I ran it (before giving up) on a virus-free laptop I was working on today.

This is a rather silly site, such vindiction, especially such aggression and vulgarity are rarely the fruits of intelligence.

PCLinusOS said...

In short, Ubuntu users struggle with kernel updates, rite ?

But I guess SP3 of XP caused much more troubles . Even Windows Vista has a long time and now there're still lots of application do not run well on Vista.

So users like us may continue the rant :-)
(although M$ supporters may try something such as EULA or "please download our 1001th patch" or "if you do not turn on AutoUpdates that's your fault"... )

Anonymous said...

"yeah, sure.
wait, I think my remote pc's uptime is more than a month now...

where's my bluescreen? :("

wait, I think your remote pc's uptime means you are fucked...

where are your upgrades? don't you need to restart for those?

And if you hate Ubuntu so much try Slackware/Debian/Fedora/OpenSuse/Gentoo/PCLinuxOS/Ututo XS/BLAG, or just keep using Window$ or Mac O$ X and stop complaining.

Anonymous said...

Man, if you can't figure out something as simple as Ubuntu then you have to be one of those Windows users who has to call in a favor on a friend to remove malware or reinstall the OS every 6mos....

Nic said...

Gentoo?

Horatio_Hellpop said...

If any of you assclowns have XP or Vista installations that continually show BSODs ... you're dumber than a bag of hammers.

Anonymous said...

I really don't understand why people waste time reading your crap. You seem to deal with only the n00bs. Grow up, kiddie.

Anonymous said...

>> At this point, some users wake up

You are correct! After 10 years of active usage of various Linux distros, I found that Windows Vista is the best OS ever made.

Anonymous said...

There's some hardware that runs ubuntu like part of the body - and some like ubuntu is a early twentieth century metal rod replacement for a broken bone - totally inside, sort of works half the year, and pains most of the time.
Now if you run out of luck and choose the wrong hardware, ubuntu will make you cry for doing that.
IMO, LHB is doing a damn good job bringing up real points in part - things that the "lusers" should pay attention to - only friends point out mistakes - acquaintances always speak sweetly and gossip behind your back.
But open disregard for even simple social behavior is unacceptable. That's what many guys do in Linux social circles. Who's to rein in the super-egos of these "alpha-male" overlords?
There's a reason they're called "alpha-male" - Not even in beta. Real problems begin when 20-30 year l-users show alpha male behavior.
What is with the overlords?
Although I dont rabidly hate linux and dont admire any of M$'s ways, the guys at least knew how to reply to human beings (point intended) before Vista and Ballmer took over.
Ubuntu has one good thing - code of conduct.
Wish other distros put in some effort in that direction - and wish Ubuntu could run on more hardware - Knoppix runs on practically anything.
So does Puppy. It's all GPLed code, why dont you guys get it from there and use it?
IMO. LHB rulz, coz you dont get to point out problems about Linux in other places. I've personally distributed well over 50-60 Linux CDs, got bashed by m$ cronies for the past 10 months or so, so I'm not a m$ crook trying to split the community.
Problem with l-users is that they bash n00bs more than m$ ever bashes anyone.
What's with it, l-ords?

Anonymous said...

"As somebody, and also the blog author himself/herself/themselves mentioned, Blogger runs on linux.

Unless you rename your blog to something like desktopubuntuhaters, I won't consider your blog appropriate. "

If you don't use it how can you hate it?

Anonymous said...

Ubuntu is an incredibly easy to use distro. If you can't figure out how to use something so simple maybe you shouldn't be using a computer at all.

wat. Linux simple. hahaha

Call the Waaa-mbulance... said...

Hmm, I use Ubuntu server, Ubuntu desktop on a lappy, and Vista. I honestly love all of them for different reasons. Anyone who chooses one as the 'best for everything' doesn't do much with computers. Multimedia? Ubuntu's come far, but still falls short. Anything besides multimedia? Love Ubuntu. Was Ubuntu painless? Not always, but fun IF you like tinkering. Does Vista blue screen? Never (haven't had one in years). A tool's a tool ... and speaking of tools, to all those who slag linuxhater, if you can't get past the cynical humor to see that the issues are quite real, well I just feel sorry for you. Oh and by the way, Ubuntu makes you restart after some updates as well, that and the BSOD are getting old and just show that you haven't left the basement for a few years ...

Ty said...

People who have these major problems tend to people the same fools that rush to upgrade everything and don't actually wait till problems are worked out etc.

Same fools that rushed to upgrade the PS3 Firmware last week and their PS3 crashed. Or the same fools the rushed out and upgraded to Windows XP SP3 and wondered why their PC crashed or those who rushed out and got Leopard for their MAC and didnt read that you needed to remove some apps before you upgrade from Tiger or your MAC would be in a constant reboot loop.

Almost every Ubuntu upgrade I have done has been flawless because I read the detailed upgrade notes not just hit upgrade in APT cause the little bubble told me to.

People should just read a bit and wait a few days. That applies to all OS's Mac, Windows and Linux! Even the IPhone, PSP, PS3 etc.

Anonymous said...

Great blog! I can totally see myself at the 6 month point in your 'evolutionary. scale. LOL. I upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04 and started cursing Ubuntu. I was so mad I wanted to throw my computer across the room. Well, I had to reinstall 7.10. Now I keep all my files in a separate partition, because it sure was a hassle to reload all my files. Don't want t do go through that again. So thanks... that was funny, and makes me feel kind of normal that I'm not the only one who felt like that at the 6 month point. Time will tell if I follow the rest of the evolutionary path.

Anonymous said...

LOL!

So much truth in one post, it's gotta hurt. I've been a Linux users for a long time, Ubuntu did not even exist yet.

I got tired of all the constant regressions and no real progress. There are some good things in Linux world, but generally it's not worth it.

After a few years, there are no Linux computers on my desktop. My two workstations are back using XP, and I've got Vista working flawlessly on my laptop. I gotta admit that sadly, once I left MS hatred aside, Linux is far from being a decent desktop OS.

Anonymous said...

I've had none of the problems you list, but I've had other problems. The Linux you describe is the Linux of 5 to 10 years ago, and the Ubuntu gripes are related to one release that initially had some problems. The driver problems are to some degree still there but I've had even more problems finding drivers for Windows lately. Dealing with multiple screens or changing the resolution of a screen is still a pain. Installing codecs on at least Ubuntu is really easy. On the other hand, why does the trash app on Gnome panel use 10MB of memory ALL THE TIME??? Anyway...My point is merely that you should recheck your points and update them because, while there are lots of things to gripe about, your gripes are out of date.

Anonymous said...

Alex wrote:

"I've been using Linux for 18 years now,"

Hmm, that's longer than Linus himself. How have you managed that?

As for the Ubuntu haters. I've been using the distro since Dapper and love it. I've had a few issues, but nothing that has made me want to return to software that monitors my private property and requires a permit to run.

Anonymous said...

I don't know why everyone seems to think they have to use Ubuntu. If you want a distribution that upgrades successfully just use Debian. It might not be quite as shiny around the edges as Ubuntu (though really it's practically indistinguishable from Ubuntu these days). Anyone with even a grain of curiosity should realise that Ubuntu is 98% Debian Testing with 2% Ubuntu added brokenness.

Is this site funded one or both of the megalomaniac Steves? It seems frankly a bit pointless. With regard to the final remark in this article why would you want to fork out an arm and a leg for a poncy FreeBSD based Mac when you can buy a more capable Linux based PC for a third of the price. I have been happily using a Linux desktop for four years now, and more to the point so has my technophobe partner for the last two years with nary a complaint.

ncus said...

Haha.. been there done that. After using Mac, my life is peaceful. Linux was made me stress!

Anonymous said...

This is exactly my experience with Ubuntu, on two separate laptops (Dell and Macbook). The only sad thing is that Mac OS X isn't much better - after the upgrade to Leopard, I had problems including the keyboard not working, some preferences file getting corrupted making it impossible for me to log on, and the login dialog not appearing when the computer came out of sleep mode. Hilariously, the solution that my Mac-using friends recommend is installing Leopard from scratch rather than doing it as an upgrade.

Steve said...

I've been using Ubuntu for about 2 years now, and it's getting better. But you have valid points about upgrade issues. Keep up the good work pointing out the Ubuntu issues so the community can keep fixing them. 'Buntu has come a LOOONG way since the Dapper days and your site can only help. Great job!

Anonymous said...

fick dich

Roberto said...

I was laughing so hard I couldnt see straight. Great post.

Anonymous said...

Somewhat exaggerated but kind of funny.

Personally the only problems I had with Ubuntu , and still do, is getting a usb modem to work and ,sometimes, my nVidia card.

As for getting a Mac,meh. Tried it, didn't impress me enough to make me want to spend that much money on it.

To each their own I guess.

bucket said...

Two weeks ago I installed Xubuntu on an old laptop in an attempt to breathe new life into it. I think next week I'm just going to reinstall Win98.

Anonymous said...

There is something to be said about doing stuff for yourself instead of listening to idiots along the way that try to obfuscate your path.

Good stuff.

J. said...

Yeah, upgrading a distro has never been a good experience for me... Something always gets broken. As someone said above, just have /home be on a separate partition and reinstall the whole shebang. You will be glad.

In spite of that experience, I did upgrade 7.10 to 8.04, and of course several things are not working correctly anymore (e.g. in Kubuntu, the "safely remove" for removable media used to work flawlessly; now it does not).

Finibus Bonorum said...


"Steve said...

Hey, fantastic blog! I hate linux as much as you do, but I feel a bit alone in this. I use Live search, but all my friends use Google :-( I had to break up with my girlfriend, as she wants to see movies, of which I happen to know the effects are rendered on linux machines. But worst of all, I feel betrayed by you as well as you seem to run your blog on linux software:
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=linuxhaters.blogspot.com"

__________________________________

I'm waiting for the "pop" sound...
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You know...the sound that is made when this Steve pulls his head out of Bill Gate's ass.

psamtani said...

M$ M$ M$,
Do you believe in M$

Anonymous said...

Canonical/Ubuntu have just confirmed the fundamentals of this blogpost by announcing a quality assurance programme. I have experienced everything described in the article and have moved on. Not to OSX or XP/Vista - dah!

Still sticking to Linux offcourse.

Windows has a similar cycle to Ubuntu - just replace 6 months of nuisance-reduction with 6 years. XP is working - let's screw it up!

Anonymous said...

I think Ubuntu has a long way to go before it can be classed as a windows killer (as being advertised in some magazines recently). Though, I must give them credit for producing one of the more user friendly (no brainer) linux distro's, even if they are just polishing Debian.

Upgrading any OS can sometimes lead to user disappointment, both in closed and open source offerings. I remember one update that turned my XP into a brick because svchost was chewing up 100% CPU wtf?

With all of the different hardware/software combinations involved, I don't envy any developer (especially unpaid ones).

I just wish there was more support for Linux from the hardware manufacturers out there. The last time I tried Ubuntu my Logitec sphere webcam and Creative X-Fi card were the show stoppers for me.

Anonymous said...

psamtani said...

M$ M$ M$,
Do you believe in M$


I was going to try to type a similar thing for Linux, but I can't seem to find a food stamp sign to match your dollar sign.

Anonymous said...

Amazing. This site makes 2 girls 1 cup seem palatable. Or maybe even goatse. No. Then again, maybe not goatse. I think the only thing more pitiful than someone dedicating this much time to hating any OS (Unless of course you're getting paid some mad MS $'s!!!) is someone repeatedly reading it. Definite tabloid garbage. Mkay? F'off and Bye!

Cashew322 said...

Oh man, see, I thought you were actually humorous until I read the last sentence. You're just another effing mac fanboy. Go shell out hundreds of dollars for another new iPhone, speaking of things that change ever 6 months.

Anonymous said...

Writer must be a sad nerd.

Luc said...

Well, let's try to upgrade my XP to vista. What's the hell! I can't find anywhere in XP an upgrader for this. The only possiblity is to pay for a new DVD and reinstall everything. Hummmm! Ok, let's try with Mac! Oh! the same... Hummm! I am going to keep my shitty Ubuntu, at least I can upgrade.

Anonymous said...

This f*** turd poster Jeremy is f***ing retarded. Now that is for portraying not just Ubuntu users but also other Linux users as f***s.

Never heard the saying "to each his own"? GNU/Linux is not for everyone. Windows is also not for everyone. So stop bashing linux users because you pay for your software and they don't have to. Relax on the envy dude.

I can't believe I am f***king responding to this retard. Got to go wash make love to my Ubuntu installation now. See you arse wipe.

Anonymous said...

i just deleted my vista partition after a 6 month run of both vista and ubuntu.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the author that ubuntu sucks horribly. FUCK UBUNTU!

This is coming from a linux user if u must know, no other distro has such issues at all.

Lee Alesbrook said...

I moved from SUSE (user for 5 years) to Ubuntu about 6 weeks ago (I run every part of my business on Linux). Ubuntu rocks! I wanted to find a distro that is ready to deploy to users and this is it .. why are you guys not seeing it? Ubuntu is close to making history, finally a distro that can compete with Windows on a level playing field. Good luck Ubuntu!

Gametaku said...

Man this crap happened to me. I had to torrent XP since they don't even sell it anymore, I could use Vista, but I want something with a smaller imprint. If only the community to get together, pool its' resources and make one distro that's flexible enough to have little check boxes to switch between the crap people want to use and form a better system that could get real graphics support.

Anonymous said...

linux?
--can't sync ur mobile
(evolution mail c lient is too crappy)
--no decent video editing software
--no simply video player software (capable of change substitle, audio on the fly)
--no voice chat
--no sleepy/resume support
--crashes if distro upgraded
--try installing to a tablet pc
etc etc.

Anonymous said...

"Well, let's try to upgrade my XP to vista. What's the hell! I can't find anywhere in XP an upgrader for this. The only possiblity is to pay for a new DVD and reinstall everything. Hummmm! Ok, let's try with Mac! Oh! the same... Hummm! I am going to keep my shitty Ubuntu, at least I can upgrade."

What kind of a point is that u dumb motha fucker?

Making fun of the fact that commercial software can't be upgraded without buying a new version is stupid.

Dumb lousy freetards.

Gametaku said...

Anonymous said: "What kind of a point is that u dumb motha fucker?

Making fun of the fact that commercial software can't be upgraded without buying a new version is stupid.

Dumb lousy freetards."

There's a difference between proving someone wrong and just flat out being insulting. If you read his post correctly you'd obviously see that he wasn't making fun of having to buy a new OS to upgrade. He was commenting on the fact that upgrading using XP or Mac OS isn't as simple as doing so in linux. It's not the fact the you have to buy new software, but that they esentially make you reinstall an OS onto a system in more than steps than what's needed.

He was overly critical and missed part of the point, but that's no reason to be a complete idiot about it. At least his post showed some real signs of intelligence anonymous.

Anonymous said...

"There's a difference between proving someone wrong and just flat out being insulting. If you read his post correctly you'd obviously see that he wasn't making fun of having to buy a new OS to upgrade. He was commenting on the fact that upgrading using XP or Mac OS isn't as simple as doing so in linux. It's not the fact the you have to buy new software, but that they esentially make you reinstall an OS onto a system in more than steps than what's needed.

He was overly critical and missed part of the point, but that's no reason to be a complete idiot about it. At least his post showed some real signs of intelligence anonymous."

I have upgraded my Mac very easily in fact its linux on which upgrading is much worse u idiot, go to the ubuntu forums and see how many have tons of breakage while upgrading or X doesn't work, compiz doesn't work or suspend is broken.

Ever had such problems on a Mac, oh yeah NEVER.

The only point that other idiot was trying to make is that u have to pay for an upgrade for OS X and Windows but shit like ubuntu can be upgraded freely.

Anonymous said...

Wow, took me just a month to complete that circle (or most of it). Now I'm on windows and happy :).

Dagas said...

I'm dual booting XP and Ubuntu, but I almost never use Ubuntu. It's the best Linux distro I've tried and I have had very few problems with it actually. However I can't get the windows emulator to work so I can play games which I do a lot so I prefer XP still. I definatly think Linux has become more user friendly over the years. When I tried mu first Linux in 2003 it had the user friendliness of a NASA space rocket (I assume those are complicated).

Anonymous said...

Well, at this moment, Wn XP SP3 is better sollution... Linux may be ok, but in 3-4 years! And Mac? F**k Mac, and all those iShit stuff!

owain123 said...

I don't get this blog......
Linux supports my hardware all 100% now. a few years back it was a different story, but now Linux support for hardware is great. In fact an article posted the other day stated Linux now supports more hardware and devices than any other OS.

I recently switched to Ubuntu 8.04 and now to 8.10, from windows and have found it to be a lot better. its faster, more secure, never crashes and when it comes to applications im spoiled for choice, and its free.....

Anyway at the end of the day it's just a computer... who gives a shit. Go outside.

Roy said...

You don't HAVE to upgrade. Ubuntu 8.04 will be supported to April, 2011. You upgrade, if you want to be on the bleeding edge. The problems mentioned come with any bleeding edge distro whether it is Fedora or Sidux.
There are safe alternatives which include stay where you are. If Ubuntu 8.04 is working then there is no need to upgrade. This is especially true if your experience level is low.
This article is unfair to Ubuntu in that it does not represent the full range of possibilities. It only pursues the idea that upgrades are inherently dangerous. Duh! Tell us something new.

Brandon said...

You do understand that there are several "rules" you should follow when upgrading, right? If not you are extremely lacking in either intelligence or the ability do perform a google search correctly.

1> Wait 3 months after a release to upgrade to it. After upgrading, get ALL of the available updates before complaining about problems.

2> When upgrading, if you don't want problems then you need to do a clean install.

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I hear you. As a CentOS user I swore I'd never bow down to Ubuntu...but eventually I did (had more to do with the elegance of Debian's apt-get system).

The trick with Ubuntu, as with all linux ('cept maybe crybaby distros like Fedora and Redhat), is that you have to know how to compile and install into your local home (not /usr/local, your /home/user/local).

Eventually some other great distro will come along and get the better of Ubuntu (maybe I'll go back to Gentoo), but until then - it's linux for humans.

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I'm a Linux user and have respect for any distro ecxept Whubuntu.
Most ubuntu users are what I call "trenders" Ubuntu is just the "trendy" distro to hope onto and most ubuntu users I have met in person are morons who think they're the smartest people on the planet.
It's kind like all the losers who liked "Zeppelin" just because it was cool to be a Zeppelin fan... but most of them could only name one song written by the band
Another reason ubuntu is so popular... it is backed by a very large corporation.
The user's wallpapers annoy me. Seems the only graphics talent going in that community are teeny-boppers who get a stiffy over any girl they see showing a little skin.. so they grab the pic and through the ubuntu logo on it.... then go back to playin with themselves while looking through national geographic

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" I've been using Linux for 18 years now, and I can complete all those blanks for my last several upgrades, all on relatively common Lenovo X60."

You're using Linux for 18 years and you're running Ubuntu - either it's a joke or you're a fucking dumbass.

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everybody here hate ubuntu: everybody here is stupid. It is a PERFECT distribution, with lots of programs and totally free. It is not heavy as Windows for wich you need at least 2 GB to work well and it crash very very very very few times. When it happens you have just to download the new version and to install it. On Windows you have to go to the shop and buy a new version of windows (200$ at least, when you're lucky) then install it waiting 2 hours.

After this you have to buy Office (180$) and all the other software you need.

Ops! I didn't thought about viruses! Every year you have to buy Norton (150$ the complete version) and other antiviruses, perfectly knowing that after 6 months you pc will be broken by a unknow virus.

Do you prefer Mac? Of course... but there are very few software and they cost very much ($$$). If you are the Bruney's sultan you can have it: i'm not, i'm for the penguin: I'M UBUNTU MOST HAPPY USER

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Interesting..... Surprise it is another MAC person who thinks MAC is perfect, guess we can't all use proprietary hardware and software in a very closed push out the competition through making us all the same type of way. ....Wow he has a lot to complain about when the Ubuntu was Oct. 2004 compared to Mac and Microsoft which have had their operating systems out for more than 10 years now......oh let us include the final item.....YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING YOU GET FOR FREE? Sheash! Ubuntu has made great strides in so little time. Give cred where due.

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Wow! Almost a year of comments. What a hot topic....Hahaha,
My experience with Linux and the distro Ubuntu has been nice so far. Even MAC experience has been nice. The only experience that has been painful is windows. This evolution time line reminds me of windows. My first was with 98 2nd. Thing froze on every game, blue screen three times a day and I had to treat it like a slow mentally handicapped child. Then I tried windows ME. I went from bad to worse. I still don't know why they even released ME. Then I went to NT. eh, no real problem, did most things fine. After that I went to XP, I has pretty happy wish this OS. Still had a lot of the typical window problems. Lots of blue screens, but down to one a day. :) OH, and then Vista came around. Things just got worse. Feel like I'm constantly running into the same wall. A nice shinny graphically enhanced wall though. :)

MACS, Never really had problems with a MAC. My first MAC in 97 crashed a few times, but then again, I was seeing how far I could push it. Most of my non-computer savvy family love their MACS.

Me? I love my linux. I like to take things apart. I feel Ubuntu lets me take things apart yet gives me the simplicity I enjoy. I'm an artist and I love open-source graphic software. Blender and GIMP are fantastic. Though both of these are multi-platform.

This is a horribly bias site. Yet, humorous. I just wanted to post something since I read all these comments. This site isn't for avid computer junkies and professionals. It's the amateur hater spot. Haha!

Arguments about OSs is like an argument over apples and oranges, preference and purposes. Support what you like. I shall support my linux, and you shall support what ever you like. You all have a good day.....

Oh, and to the blogger of this blog, I really do think you made a lot of this up. Sounds like you just read what others have said negatively about something and try to pass it off as your own experience.

Peace yall!

Maussa Alakulo said...

Actually you summarized my ubuntu experience well. I did that and bought a mac. Love it. It really gets the job done, and I have time to surf the web now.

My workstation, instead of running linux runs on xp. Ubuntu is awaiting on a separate harddrive for the day when it supports my audio hardware... Like a worker in a communist country waiting for the rationed slice of bread.

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I agree FUCK linux , UBUNTU LINUXMINT all these mother fukers i can't get my system to run smoothly for amonth .. after every upgrade in repo i get issues after issues. fuck this im going back to win xp.. LINUX is for nerd who love to waste time fixing a GUI and hacking a kernel. seriously man .. linux is nowhere close to anything commercial. i installed ubuntu over 100 times because everytime my pc froze and crashed with ubuntu it will not reboot. and the support? ITS A JOKE.

Rajai said...

I agree FUCK linux , UBUNTU LINUXMINT all these mother fukers i can't get my system to run smoothly for amonth .. after every upgrade in repo i get issues after issues. fuck this im going back to win xp.. LINUX is for nerd who love to waste time fixing a GUI and hacking a kernel. seriously man .. linux is nowhere close to anything commercial. i installed ubuntu over 100 times because everytime my pc froze and crashed with ubuntu it will not reboot. and the support? ITS A JOKE.

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IAWTP

http://www.endolith.com/wordpress/2008/11/19/ubuntu-release-quality/

https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/50002

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Mateo said...

Nice humor sense
but upgrades have worked for me pretty good. Nvidia propietary driver is the only one to compile with each change of kernel, but not a major issue...

Linux Rocks!

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I use and do support for my family and friends for win, mac and linux.

I've tried linux many times since the days of caldera(?) 2.2, always failing. finally found ubuntu 7.10 and it sort of worked; some easy upgrades, now with 8.10, and it almost makes it. However, it is slow and does not multi-task well and cannot open large files (1000+ jpgs) without seeming to load the entire list. I dual boot with w2kpro and the difference is obvious. ubuntu will not remember monitor settings between cold starts and causes my old tube to make high pitched noises every time as the os loads. w2k does none of this, just starts, remembering everything faster and just runs obviously faster. w2k updates occasionally while ubuntu has some necessary changes most days. I'm writing this on a laptop (vaio) that ubuntu will not recognize the wireless card on, so I cannot comment comparing ubuntu on newer hardware to xp.

my basic requirement here is that ubuntu (linux) be _better_ than windows as far as speed under all conditions. it isn't. I would like linux to work for me (read: replacement), but so far it doesn't.

Incidently, I have never had a bug, virus etc. on any windows machine AFAIK according to typical checks: ms defender, avg, etc.

btw, macs (since system 6 and se/30 days) give me headaches and are just harder to use; hate the whatever bar and itunes. windows 2k and xp just work.

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