Tuesday, June 3, 2008

Good software isn't really free

Please, please, stop telling me or others that the success of OSS is easily demostrated by projects like Webkit, and the kernel, and Firefox, and apache.

If you're going to talk that drivel, at least be more specific. There are two kinds of OSS projects: First, there's the "I made this!" type. These projects often have assfuck users going around telling everyone how this project is better than everything else, and how every distro should replace some other working program with their new shit.

And then there's the "I have a workable business model" type. These are the ones you've probably heard of. The ones you raise as examples, as if somehow they represent how all open source projects could one day be successful. Quite not so coincidentally, these often (kernel excepted of course) also happen to run on Windows or other commercial OSes, which users actually use.

Projects like the kernel and firefox are exceptions in a sea full of shitty projects. They are how open source projects should be run. They've figured out how to create value that people will pay for. They have paid people working on them, producing valuable code, solving real problems, and are usually shipped in usable, tested ways.

Rarely, and I mean rarely (i.e. hard enough to find that it's not worth trying out 3000 different apt-get installs for programs that do the same thing), you find a project that has a really good developer writing really good code, but it's not backed by a sustainable model. These projects get far enough to get included on most distros (mostly feuled by ego), but then die, because the developer wakes the fuck up and realizes he should be getting paid, or some company comes along and snatches him up. I've come to hate using this kind of software, because I usually like it at first, but then I know that eventually it's going to shit (Ideally, you can continue to use the old version, but everybody who's tried this knows that doesn't work for long, but I'll save that for another rant).

For those textually impaired:



This is the so-called long tail of OSS software. Study it well. And stop being delusional and acting like all of it is hot shit. The good stuff is what the smart guys with good business models get paid to work on. The vast majority of the rest is crap. Not too unlike commercial softare you say? No shit. It's been happening for years.

BTW, I made that beautiful image using Gimp, one of your great tools. Too bad after 10 minutes of reading a bunch of tooltips and the help of a linux expert friend, we still couldn't figure out a straightforward way to draw a straight line. But who needs straight lines right?

I finally found it by googling it. You hold shift. Try doing it yourself. See if you find it intuitive.

160 flames:

Anonymous said...

The font in your chart is jagged. hurts my eyes. Oh well, graphics are for pansies, command line ftw.

Anonymous said...

I hate to say that I am not enjoyed reading the whole post but I have to admit that your points are valid.

On GNOME community, people starts to discuss about your opinion, you might should check it out

http://www.beatniksoftware.com/blog/?p=94#comment-39760

Anonymous said...

Actually, I did find shift intuitive. Isn't that how they do it in Photoshop, and even MS Paint?

Not a big deal, but I've never actually stopped to think about hitting shift -- I've always just done it.

;)

Anonymous said...

Go buy some viagra, dude. Or enlarge it.

Stu said...

Can't believe there is a way to do lines in gimp.. FFS.. why is there no icon?
I'm pissed off.. have been using gimp for 10 years and didn't know!

Ryan Graham said...

Wow.. that was a disturbing exercise. I couldn't figure out how to do it in GIMP, even with shift... Took about 30 seconds, including export, to do it in Inkscape. Does that mean Inkscape makes the does-not-suck list?

Anonymous said...

Complaining about the Gimp's UI is like making fun of the retard at school. What's the point? It's always going to suck.

Anonymous said...

so i guess mysql, thunderbird, emacs, bind, kerberos, ldap, gedit, kate, zimbra mail server, spam assassin, ktorrent, deluge, azureus, evolution, nautilus, dolphin, thunar, devede, k3b, gnomebaker, vlc, audacity, amarok, floola/yamipod/gtkpod, limewire and frostwire, truecrypt, gpg, nessus, kismet, openssh, netfilter/iptables, kontact, zfs, ext3, ext4, tar, gzip, lzma, bzip2, mplayer, and countless others are all shit huh? Hmm, could've fooled me.


And of course there are more crappy OSS apps than good ones. Same can be said about proprietary.

Ramesh Dharan said...

- thunderbird

Dead.

- bind

Buggy as hell and one of the most insecure pieces of software ever distributed en masse.

- evolution

This thing is a bloated piece of garbage. Ask anyone who works at Novell. Development has shipped off to India and slowed to a crawl. Everyone's waiting for OpenChange and nothing's happening with it.

- dolphin

Please. Let's talk about it when it actually works and is out of "community preview" status.

The fact that you list those four apps as examples of quality software makes me cry.

Anonymous said...

See, the problem with your posts and rants is that the message is lost in crude and foul language. I quit reading two sentences in because I kept getting tripped up on words not even a sailor would use. Go ahead and hate on Linux, but at least be mature about it. Sheesh.

diego said...

The shift thing is also in photoshop iirc, long time I haven't used that.
I think you overstressed that one.

Stu said...

Going straight to gimp without using photoshop, the shift thing is not obvious. I really like the gimp interface most of the time, but in this case I think the line tool is not discoverable.. photoshops interface isn't the most intuitive, and gimp can do better.

Anonymous said...

evolution is no more bloated than Outlook itself, Thunderbird dead? Since when?

Non-development and stable versions of dolphin are available. And Bind is not insecure if you know what you're doing. Running it in a chroot jail is one of many ways to lock it down.

This blog is filled with as much BS as Boycott Novell itself.

Anonymous said...

I can draw straight lines in the gimp? This blog is both funny and educational.

Azrael Nightwalker said...

Kernel can be run on Windows too - see coLinux for example.

ultra said...

How about you just head your ass over to your favorite windows download site (download.com as you've said?) and show me just how much proprietary software _isn't_ crap. The graph looks even worse for proprietary stuff cause there are like 500 password generators, video converters and equally stupid stuff, why? Cause everyone thinks they can make money in the same ways. At least with open source software, you don't have the same redundant video converters, all using the open source ffmpeg as a backend by the way, all over the place. Yes, you do have a significant portion of crap, but nothing like the portion of crap in the proprietary software market.

The Beez' said...

Actually, Open Source has fewer bugs than closed source (Windows) software, Microsoft included. Note that e.g. Word is known for several major bugs that make it instable after a certain size. Access is so crappy that even MS advised not to use it for production purposes (sic!). I don't have all the links to this at hand, but I can backup my claims.

Sure, there are a lot of "pet" projects, some of them of dubious quality, but certainly not all of them.

So what you're actually trying to say is that only professionals should be allowed to make software or may be only enterprises. Note tis has nothing to do with Open Source or Windows/Linux at all. The actual divide is professionals vs. amateurs, not Open Source vs. closed source or Linux vs. Windows.

To prove my point: there are several MS independant Open Source Windows only projects. Check Sourceforge (which is partially funded by MS BTW).

In the end, what are you actually trying to say? That I cannot have a Linux machine which is powered by all professional software like Open Office (Sun), Picassa (Google), CDROM burning (Nero)? Wrong again!

In the end, my guess is that you have invested heavily in Windows (either in knowledge, business or profession) and are unable to convert or adapt to this Open Source phenomena. Hence, a blog full of rants which are easily debunked. The lacks of links to support your claims is ear deafening.

I suggest you take some lessons in order to write a proper article before you expose the world to these ramblings and waste my time.

Anonymous said...

I also notice that 95% of OSS projects I come across never have the balls to release version 1.00.

Why do they all sit there quivering in their v0.00001 -> v0.999999 "oh we're still in beta so never expect any of our crap to work or be supported version". If your shit is so good at least have the cajone's to release v1 and admit it's a production release, stop hiding behind your alpha, beta & community preview bollocks.

Anonymous said...

The Beez' said...

"Access is so crappy that even MS advised not to use it for production purposes (sic!). I don't have all the links to this at hand, but I can backup my claims."

C'mon then back 'em up. I'd love to see link.

"The lacks of links to support your claims is ear deafening."

Not as deafening as the screams you made when they removed your humour gland.

Lighten up dude, go get a blow job or something. This is the funniest blog I've read in a long time. I'm going back to closed source if this is what happens to your sense of humour after extended periods of exposure to F/OSS. Now I really get the true meaning of the word 'freetard'.

Darren Kopp said...

@beez

Access isn't crappy, it's a decent general purpose DB. MS recommends not using in production because it's a file based DB, limited to 5 users connecting, etc.

Anonymous said...

yes, access is crappy. it's complicated and well suited for business use. I'm paid to recreate some crappy access "application" some people did, every year...

it's good money for me :)

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yes photoshop also has a crappy interface (it will be slightly improve in cs4)

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well, Gimp, for me gimp is a good software, but it's just like photoshop : a good software. not better, not greater.

many faults of photoshop are in gimp.

but .. ho yeah! Photoshop has a business and industrial support ! plugins, third parties filter, pantone, color profiles and so many stuff IN photoshop from start.

so many thing gimp could also use (and it is able to use!) but you can't have with your new shiny ubuntu because of so many legalities... Is it bad ? yeah it is.

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and yeah , Gimp could be a great software, but it will never be. In part, its interface is better than photoshop, it had so many promises, but it will be never more than that.

No, Photoshop cs4 will bring 64b, can edit very huge picture with speed, and so on.

So many things gimp could also have if linux distribution and X was put forward with money and unity !

I don't care choices, I think only one distributions should exist for desktop. nothing else. and all united on the same name.


And yeah I love gimp and I painfully (and quite sincerely) understand the importance and value of Free(Libre) and open software.

ho my ! just buy a MAC !

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Anonymous said...

holding shift is the same as EVERY program for EVERY os try it in photoshop or paint dipshit linux is awesome

Anonymous said...

anonymous - Just because it is the same as other apps doesn't make it a discoverable UI. At least in paint there is also a line tool accessable from the GUI.

Stu said...

Heh, "dipshit" commenter, I'm very much reminded of this

http://tinyurl.com/2oo328

Alex Chudnovsky said...

GIMP 2.4.6 actually hints you to use Shift for a straight line. Sometimes, the developers do listen, weird as it may seem...

Anonymous said...

Complaining about the Gimp's UI is like making fun of the retard at school. What's the point? It's always going to suck.

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You must be a retard for not reading manual, GIMP can do a lot of things and people are just ignorant because they don't research on how the interface works or what it offers so they end up clueless whining about how it sucks.

http://routecafe.com/blog/2008/03/20/the-gimp-compilation/

Just read that and you'll probably find out that it has more than what you thought.

Anonymous said...

You don't seriously believe that the vast majority of free software, which is in fact created without "business model" is "crap"... You may not like it, you may not feel comfortable with it's often unpolished edges, a less knowledgeable user even more so, but for some many people it works great, which means you can't say it's "crappy" as if it is some global truth. Perhaps it is crappy to you, because of -obviously largely incompatible with it's loose development model- priorities and criteria that you have set on your computer usage. You know, other people have other priorities and criteria, not everyone shares yours... Even if the 99.9% does, that doesn't mean shit as long as the other 0.1% manages to be productive and happy using what you dismissed.

Hell, the vast majority of free software does not even require a GUI, which -almost de facto- makes it not-crap. :)

Now, if you want software at your feet, fixed according to your needs, with polished edges, flawless documentation, working without getting your feet dirty at all, then indeed the majority of free software maybe isn't what you're looking after. There are many others who don't mind though, and usually manage to do what they want better than the first ones, using free software made for fun.

The fact that you are moaning for the unpolished interface of GIMP while creating a shitty drawing, at the same time that others focused in what matters (yeah, what GIMP can actually *do*) and create amazing works of art with it (check deviantart i.e.) and remain happy enough to continue using it, proves my point.

Richard Stallman said...

that graph was fucking awesome...if I had a mouthful of coffee it would be all over the place by now

Anonymous said...

Was sort of with you until the straight line thing.

What are you, fucking stupid?

If you haven't ever used any other image editing program before, you probably SHOULD look at the manual, rather than thinking the program should work the way you fucking IMAGINE it will.

With so many terrible elements of the GIMP UI (When I go to file->new, if I JUST copied part of an image, guess what I might be doing), you picked one that makes you, and your friend, plain ignorant when it comes to graphics software. Gratz.

Enerla said...

Hey!

I see a looooong list of supposedly good software.

I think some listed openssh, and openssl, if I remember well that is part of OpenBSD project, right?

If the article lists linux kernel as a success story, I could point to BSD kernel.

If the article lists Firefox, I could point to a Firefox Myths page, and maybe Opera. And why we have webkit.

If you list MySQL I could see a dual licenced software, developed as a bussiness, mostly as a comercial product, and that isn't the best choice out here.

gpg is a clone of another software and isn't the best...

And can make a long list about success stories that aren't that big success.

Why I point to BSD projects as "separate"? Since they don't say a software that uses licence X is automatically considered better even if it is bugous. That is a main difference from the works of GPL crowd.

They are projects with specific goals, specific bussiness model, and giving out the software for free, with a source is part of that model, and not an effect of open source zealotry.

Hint: It is easier to use something and contribute to a shared set of tools than to rewrite everything.

Both comercial and open source solutions can benefit from contributing to OpenSSH, OpenSSL instead of working on their own alternative sets.

It is easier to help these projects than fork for economic reasons.

And the project works well without zealotry.

Even if we speak about Firefox and Thunderbird: The bussiness plan behind them was and is quite different from the motive of the GPL world.

This also comes to a point: Some developers want to make an useful piece of software, others want to boost their Ego, and yet others want to see you convert to the cause.

The former should be mostly interested in hearing criticism, since he wants to avoid some of the problems, wants to streamline the piece of software.

But what about the other two groups? When the outstanding amount of security holes for Windows system (many versions combined, everything on CD included) can be comparable to what you have in linux (only the kernel included) and you suggest linux for security because you want to see people convert, that is problematic.

While some would point out: but there are no viruses out in the wild for linux. But Worms first appeared in Unix world, and the design isn't more secure, and the implementation (in the case of linux) isn't secure either.

How do you get Security? The difference is in USER side. Why?

Many Windows users tends to forget about patches, forget about firewall, antivirus software, forget about updating applications, open harmful links, attachments even when common sense would be enough to avoid the problem.

They think, they don't have to learn windows, and with this, they make sure windows will get unstable with time.

With this they decide to reinstall. And then they decide: Why should I care about viruses if I have to reinstall soon anyway? They become more and more careless.

And this nature is what is targeted by viruses, worms, etc. of the present day.

While many linux users aren't much brighter either, they see restrictions, they see they have to learn, have to ask an "expert" friend to set the system up, they don't want frequent reinstalls (how long a Gentoo install would take if you start from stage 1?) and they, and their friends care more about the security.

They became much harder target, and a much smaller group of targets. Using a virus or worm to target them is simply not economical enough.

Same is true about Internet Explorer: Dangerous newbies use it.

What would happen if majority of users who don't want to learn and careless about the security (they reinstall soon anyway) would insantly switch to an easy to install linux distribution that doesn't come with too much restrictions (this hurts security) and they would install daemons they don't use, leave them unpatched, etc?

We would see plenty of worms in the linux world, and probably it would be even more defenseless than windows world.

But linux is happy at celebrating its security and using this relative security a tool to convert people to the GPL cause.

OpenBSD? They spend all the time to improve their security, and they think combined effort of many security conscious companies can save money for all, and result in good products. Some of these products will be free, some of them might be comercial.

This is where they are different.

And a solid open source project is backed by a sane bussiness model and sane goals. They aren't built on Open Source Zealotry.

Anonymous said...

I think mySQL, sqlite and python should be added to the list of good stuff. Maybe even perl... maybe.

Anonymous said...

I actually like the concept of the blog but I had to get a grease monkey script to wash out the profanity and blasphemy because it was WAY over the top.

People backlash anything when they feel they have been deceived, and the linux gurus told us about all this free software. But much or most of it isn't very good.

Old, poorly written, missing features, manuals and how-tos and unsupported. Never mind if you install you can really mess up the system.

If they told you upfront, "Most of it is junk and abandonware but there are handful of programs that are ok" then we wouldn't have our expections up for these "thousands of software titles".

I still can't think of a "killer" linux app that make me want to abandon windows apps.

Windows has really good software; Outlook, Office, WMP, Quicken, Visual Studio, Photoshop and the list goes on.

The linux knockoffs are just that, cheap imitations that won't satisfy if you have been used to a certain level of quality software.

Now, if you are broke, busted and disgusted and want free stuff, then I won't hate on you but please don't tell me it better than the polished originals. You get what you pay for.

BlazerRed said...

and, btw, using "shift" to make a straight line is common - powerpoint, for instance...

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Anonymous said...

Gimp runs just fine on Vista.

Firefox runs just fine on Vista.

Open Office runs great on Vista.

Cygwin is very easy to install on Vista, and has useful utilities.

The one thing about BSDs that BSDs like better than Linux is that there is a line drawn btw the OS and the apps. Linux is more of a frankenstein in that regard - there isn't really a line so much btw the apps and the OS. This, I feel, is not good.

When Firefox has an update, all I gotta do in Windows is upgrade Firefox, no libraries, no other stuff. No dependencies. Just Firefox. Same thing can be said for other, really cool, wonderful opensource programs. It's all there. Almost. And then there's more.

Having used Linux exclusively for almost a decade, I now use Vista. It's nice. However, I must say, that if I hadn't of spent as much time using Linux, I wouldn't be as comfortable with Windows.

So.. if you open your mind, you will see that all the stuff you learned from Linux will actually help you make good decisions, be a savvy customer, choose the RIGHT apps, and deal with some minor bugs that Vista has. And it will save you time.

Linux isn't really geared for the desktop in terms of how the kernel is set up - developers that have tried to optimize the kernel for desktop use are frustrated.

Is Linux better for servers? Probably, yeah, it probably is -- or FreeBSD, too. Either one.

Sure, you gotta pay for stuff, and with Linux, you generally don't, but again -- how much is your time worth?

All I'm saying is that one should keep and open mind, and "free" themselves up to not feel guilty about using Windows. Who cares? I mean, principles are principles, but there comes a point where what your stuck with is something that doesn't really qualify as a computer in the sense of being able to do stuff that your friends and neighbors completely take for granted.

You can say it's such and such's fault, you can refuse to eat food because someone is starving, and so on. But it's ridiculous, and you're only hurting yourself.

It's not to say that you can't run into problems with Vista either, but if you've experience with Linux, you'll solve those problems lickedy-split. If you have an open mind, that is.

You'll sit there for years with a non-completely functional system, yet Windows does something wierd and you don't give it even a second chance or Google a simple error message? I've been there, done that - it's no good.

For desktops, Windows is better. Generally speaking. But if you don't give yourself a chance to discover this, you'll never know.

Jessie said...

wow, i must be really smart. i figured out how to draw straight lines with the shift button without anyone ever telling me. i couldnt possibly figure out how i knew. maybe its because every other paint program ive ever heard of does it that way. maybe its that gimp TELLS you at the bottom to "try shift for a straight line" whenever you draw anything. ... nah, it must be that i am a super-elite being possessing intelligence that far surpasses mere humans.

oh come now, why on earth would you start flaming gimp? gimp is a program with an awesomeness of a titanic magnitude. i use it all the time, and love it, mostly because i do not lack basic intelligence and motor skills.

this blog for the most part has pretty good writing and pretty funny stuff. i have nothing against this blog. and i wouldnt even mind that you criticized gimp if only you did it cleverly and well, but you didnt. personally, the only place i think gimp went wrong is that the windows version looks like ass, but windows is ass, so i dont care that much.

anyway, the point is, this post sucks. it stands in stark contrast to the rest of the "greatest hates". my friendly suggestion as a fellow writer and artist is to stop sucking. : )

also, sorry for my very verbose comments. i tend to be very verbose, because, as an intellectual, i have many things to say.

unlike the authors of this blog, i dont hide my name to prevent people from finding out who theyre reading (i noticed that this page does not say who wrote the blog post, anywhere). i even reveal my full name in my profile, because i'm not ashamed to take credit for my work. my blog is @ jessie-lawrence.blogspot.com

windenntw said...

"Draw non-slanted line by pressing shift"

Heh, that is the standard for 20+ years, Deluxe Paint 2 already had it! :)

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themoonmaster said...

gimp straight line:
http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Straight_Line/
hope it helps & sry, i've had explain:)
Your blog is better then your computer painting and internet searching abilities:)

Realy interesting.

I know that nothing is realy free... everything needs time to understand, to work/develop, inspiration, energy...

But consider that if u r interested in realy good cg u should NOT use computer... just your money... i mean: pay the professionals:D
The same is with OS. Linux is for childs and rebels ('cos possibilities and free stuff, womens ('cos ability of wallpaper changing, 1k screensavers 'n much much more.) Yeah?

Windows is thing that makes work - it works not working:)

More about free stuff:
winamp(2.xx) vs windows media player(any) - i chose worse: free winamp... blender or maya... hmmm... i do not have 4k$ - again i chose worse/free - hmmm... lot of time to know it better.
OpenOffice and M$Office? I do not microsoft exchange abilities in my home, OO is good anought then for me (or sth similiar freeoffice)


SO as you've said:
"good software isn't realy free"...
but still and again:
free software is realy GOOD


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