Tuesday, June 3, 2008

I've used Linux since before Linus was born, ok?

Sweet. I was getting kinda lonely hating all by myself. But Mr. Graveley of Gnome fame gave me a shoutout. +1 for you dude. But am I the only one that detected the sarcastic tone in his post? I guess planet gnome isn't the place for humor eh?

Moving on.

Occasionally I see posts from random lusers on the internet who say shit like, "Yea, I know what I'm talking about because I've used Linux since 0.99 days."

Awesome dude. You've been using an OS that doesn't matter for almost 15 years. Meanwhile, others have been getting stuff done, fixing real problems for real people and getting paid.

Not only that, you've been using a system where the developers like to replace every subsystem every few years. So even if you made a contribution back then, it's probably gone now. Even if you were a 3l33t h4xx0r back then, you're a born-again newb every 6 months. Even if you learned how to configure your 30-way software raid (15 over LVM and 15 over EVMS) with redundant HAM radio and and a taser hooked up to xbiff so that you KNOW when you have mail so that you can annoy one of your acquaintances (I feel sorry for them, really) with an assfaced reply about how they should send their attachment in PDF. Fuck, I even spent way too long this morning trying to figure out how the X vnc module's setup changed between Gutsy and Hardy, only soon later to realize that now it's totally unstable and should not have been shipped at all.

assert(RandomChange != Progress);

edit: Oooh, I've been corrected apparently (see comments). Don't start with me about Google OK? Google took a fringe OS, and then put a fuckton of work and money into it to make it the base of a world-class infrastructure. And where are the changes? Clearly, with Google's lead, they have no incentive to give the changes back, and the license doesn't require them to. So a bunch of dudes got paid to hack Linux up to make something work for them, and that's supposed to make me feel better about my laptop not waking up from sleep?

At best, Linux on the server has mattered for the two most recent years. What about the other 13?

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Nathan Myers said...

Even with every subsystem being replaced with a half-life of six months, it still has bugs left over from ten years ago! Evidently they only replace the code that works.

Anonymous said...

supporting real problems and getting paid? Like what? Spyware removal? Because it hardly sounds like you've spent a day in a datacenter with mission critical systems.

Anonymous said...

Huh, you can't be a good computer user unless you're in the data center working on mission critical systems? That's news to me.

Love you Linux snobs. Always advertising how much more leet you are than 99.9% of the world. Keep on evangelizing dude!

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Man, have you ever heard about Google and about the OS the whole thing runs on?

Ever heard about NYSE?

Can you realize that the world is far more extended than your pee-cee desktop?

Sometimes on this blog there are critics to linux that can be considered clever, but this is pure bullshit!

Abel Cheung said...

The most important point in this post IMO is that, when other people are using their computer productively, Linux users end up fixing their own stupid thing before solving others' problems, if that ever happens at all.

I'm no guru, but wasting hours trying to get that f*cking laptop displaying anything on projector with no avail isn't going to make me praise Linux. Oh yes, not to mention that crap Evolution which used to wipe clean all my contacts every 6 months, and that copycat Rhythmbox which used to overwrite all ID3 tags in my huge collection of mp3 files with the tags in previous song!

To correct the author: Linux isn't nothing, at least some of Linux servers work fine and stable. (Others end up reformatting because of worms or filesystem damage or whatever.) But Linux desktop is truly nothing, after using them all these years. Those standard fanatics and fundamentalists who keep telling people to go back to their Windows instead of whining may have a point.

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"Man, have you ever heard about Google and about the OS the whole thing runs on?"

Do you know how many googlers are using Windows and Mac OSX as their development platform and only target linux on the server farm ? And google server farms don't have to worry too much about the kernel developers whims, they roll out their own distribution and apply tons of patchs to the kernel to make it work for what they do.

Linux is suited for their server farm, but any other unix like could be because fundamentally maintaining a farm like the one at google requires a very customized environment and the job would be as painful with any other OS.

Linux is not productive once you go out of that particular need. You won't find that many google developers who are using linux as their main desktop or laptop.

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Oh maybe you cannot imagine a custom platform. Look at chinese and taiwanese startup ... NEVERMIND. Sorry to interrupt your thought stream!

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don't think you blog running on linux ?

so stfu !

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While random change might not equal progress, it can be damm useful for avoiding local maxima.

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Anonymous said: "Do you know how many googlers are using Windows and Mac OSX as their development platform and only target linux on the server farm ?"

And so what? I was trying to prove that Linux is useful for something, not that it is the best OS ever and all the other are unuseful!

So, your reply is completely unrelated to my comment.

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When Windows (note, not something CALLED Windows, but I'm talking at the very least the same kernel) can run a desktop, laptop, super computer , a cluster, be a firmware replacement on devices like ipods, can be used easily as a firewall on minimal hardware, can be used as an OS on mobile phones, gets the system performance needed on UMPC and ultra-portable sub $500 laptops, be the BIOS of a computer itself, can provide instant-on computer access like Splashtop, and obtain the security ratings that Redhat has in conjunction with IBM, then I'll give it some credit.

Otherwise, sit down child. Grown folk are talking.

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Linux on the server mattered the last 13 years too dipshit. Without Windows exploding on the desktop (95/98), AOL (and others, like compuserve) exploding as ISPs bringing the internet to those Wintel machines, AND without the LAMP stack, that whole explosion of .coms would have never happened. Ya know that whole era that gave us Ebay, Amazon, Google, Yahoo, and countless other services we take for granted today. Only in the last few years has Win/ISS stack been able to really make a dent in LAMP and Win-Apache servers, and while IIS has made a dent there, Windows and their shitty desktop software is slipping little by little on the desktop.

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In case some of your Linux geeks haven't noticed: Windows kernels have been running on a broad set of machines from mobile platforms to data centers, even with military security certifications. And to answer that other question about what (open) platform/kernel would I use if I had to build some custom hardware: It would be a FreeBSD or NetBSD kernel, thank you.

Winni said...

Oh, and one more thing: Yahoo runs on FreeBSD. So it seems that there is another free big player out there besides GNU/Linux that gets the same job done at least as well.

Anonymous said...

@winni: surely you mean GNU/FreeBSD!

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Winni said:
"Windows kernels have been running on a broad set of machines from mobile platforms to data centers, even with military security certifications."


If you read the report they tell you how they got EAL3 (iirc). They unplugged the network cable. Yup, that's what it takes to make Windows kernels secure.

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