Monday, June 23, 2008

Rants heard 'round the community, ver 7

A couple amusing links for you guys this morning.

Long time SuSE/KDE users revolt over KDE4 presentation in OpenSuSE 11.0. Circle-jerk gone wrong? A long thread, but a lot of typical "you don't need that feature anyways" talk going on here. But you know, KDE4 is awesome, ok? I've always wanted to be able to rotate my desktop icons, cuz you know, my right eye is about 3 inches below my left, and the whole world looks like it's always slanted to me. Thank you KDE devs for bringing some sanity into my world.

Mozilla developer Vladimir Vukecivic has a fun time giving up on his radeon driver. Read the comments too. Great stuff. But you know, lets blame ATI/AMD for not readily giving away the details of their hard engineering work to a pack of freetard lunatics.

BTW guys, if you have any hope that the shit that I write has the potential to make a lot of those freetards wake the fuck up, y'all need to do your part and Digg, or Reddit, or Stumble (or whatever the fuck you use) your favorite posts. You know all the freetards are swarming around those things. Making sure this shit gets on the front pages of those sites is your fucking civic duty, ok? Go out and vote! And I promise you, it won't take all weekend to do.

edit: Argh. Fucked up the second link. Fixed now.

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Anonymous said...

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Your shit's not even insightful. It used to be a fun read with real content, now it's just pathetic and without purpose.

Anonymous said...

I think you screwed up the "radeon driver" link.

And ATI/AMD actually are "giving away the details of their hard engineering work to a pack of freetard lunatics."

taffer said...

Posted a link in my blog.

Dunno what anonymous is bitching about, "everyone" uses AdBlock+ anyway, right?

Anonymous said...

"BTW guys, if you have any hope that the shit that I write has the potential to make a lot of those freetards wake the fuck up"

I think the majority of people who are in a position to actually do the work to fix most of the problems you describe are already well aware of them.

But posting on Digg is better for entertainment.

Anonymous said...

Those in position to change, including most of the original OSS and Linux advocates, have moved on to either OsX, or Windows.

Nobody cares anymore.

Most of the industry is waiting for a paradigm shift, since the desktop/wimp metaphor has run it's course for the last 30 years (since xerox parc), and is currently a limiting factor on the computer / user interaction.

Linux is yet to compete with windows 2000 - a 9 year old operation system, in either usability or functionality.

It's over folks. Give it up. Open source software was nice as an academic experiment, but failed in the real world; you can draw analogues to other failed real world ideologies, like communism, libertarianism, anarchism, free-love hippies, etc.

Most of us had high hope and personal investments in open source and other ideologies, but ideology is just a model, and sometimes, it fails; Open Source has failed is such spectacular way, that there's just no way it will ever be able to offer a real alternative to more pragmatic development models.

It's officially over. The revolution is dead.

Anonymous said...

read this - it's 8 years old, and still highly relevant.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.10/linux_pr.html

please note that Linux's market share has more than shrunk in half since 2000..

Anonymous said...

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/Linux-Losing-Market-Share-to-Windows-Server/

jc-denton said...

kde 4 is sad, i mean there are some good ideas behind it, but in general it does not works as it's supposed to (no network manager, printing does not work, some apps are still buggy, no webkit in konqueror, etc)

Anonymous said...

@jc-denton

I think the KDE4 thing is more about how absolutely stupid the whole thing is anyway. It doesn't do much of anything to improve things from a user's perspective, the whole idea of rotating widgets is absolutely retarded, etc. And the things it's missing are being treated as lower priority than the lousy Plasma crap. Who wants to print a document when you can rotate an analog clock on your desktop?

KDE has always sucked, Seigo has always been an idiot, and KDE4 not once sounded like a good idea.

At least as broken as GNOME is, the developers understand that doing some retarded change that won't actually achieve anything (like KDE did) is a bad idea.

h1d said...

You guys, at least do separate those FOSS that are on desktop with bunch of teen coded patches against those FOSS apps that run on servers that matters and works and usually coded by paid or funded developers with proper organization.

Call foss desktop dead or suck or shit, but saying Linux is a dead project and whatnot does make my eyes roll.

I'm also having hard time figuring out how much effort Canonical is putting onto getting a useful desktop out or the guy in charge doesn't have enough insight as to what's choking linux desktop to get out in the wild even though he seems to have good amount of cash.

It just seems they are too busy checking for/fixing bugs, glue them together, make the iso, mirror them and get the doc up, manage bunch of stupid people to coordinate against their rule, instead of fixing what's stopping users from actually using them as their primary os.

So, as a matter of fact, Ubuntu may be smoothing the development and distribution of Linux, but not really moving it forward.

I'd say at least start localizing every part of the desktop not to scare people off when they see half part of the menu in their own language with a crippled translation and the other half in English. And then, get the fonts fixed. Buy commercial fonts and load them up if have to. I'm sure Canonical can hire a few native language users to do a thorough check. But they use the money to distribute their CD freely around the world when not many people are interested on it.

So, yeah, let's keep hating Linux until people wake up. We're tired of seeing it suck for a decade and no one gets it right with zillion distros. Basically without plenty human resources, making a new distro is a waste of time, except for his own hobby.

Anonymous said...

Mark Shuttleworth spend 20m$ to fly himself to space, and 10m$ to fund Ubuntu.

It's Mark's retirement hobby, no more, no less.. he's trying to relive his teen-to-20-something dreams, when he was a debian maintainer.

So give the man some slack, he's just scratching his own itch, and trying to have fun; when it will be too much of a pain in the ass, or his interest will change, or when (not if) the 10m$ he allocated to this project (along with the last 3 years of his life) will dry up, he will move on, and Ubuntu will die or be marginalized, the same way other linux-on-the-desktop distros died in the last decade (remember mandrake->mandriva, libranet, corel linux, xandros, and the rest of the bunch? they are either dead, or marginalized to obscurity).

Leonardo Santagada said...

I will never ever take my time to go to digg to vote for your posts, I already gave up on linux... at least for my desktop.

But if you put a digg badge on the ones you think are the best ones then I will definitely click it :)

but I would also like you to tone down a little on the curses, just call people dumb and idiot, no need to talk about "anal rape" or anything like that. (though that one was funny :)

thecodewitch said...

About the wired link from "anonymous":

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If the desktop is too appealing to ignore, Butterick thinks Linux application developers should focus on administration and software development tools for technical users. "Wouldn't a competent integrated development platform be more useful than an office suite?" he asks. "Wouldn't a graphical debugger be better than a whizzy file manager? Wouldn't a pro 3-D package be more targeted than an Outlook clone?"

Now thats why I started using linux in the first place. I expected it to be a toy for programmers, and what I found instead was a tryhard desktop OS that seemed to be desperately screaming "look at me!! I can be just like windows!!" All this achieves is that it sets you up for a big disappointment, when you quickly discover that it is a poor substitute. I am 100% in agreement with this article - the energy of the OS developer community is wasted on fighting a bitter losing war with microsoft, and better spent on servers, and making a solid, fun, feature packed, open and inviting OS for linux's real customers - programmers.

I suspect software like OpenOffice was written as an excercise so the programmers could prove to themselves they could do it. Well, you did it, well done. You've made a nice replica of a word processor and a spreadsheet. The fatal, avaricious flaw is expecting it to replace MS Office, which has had years of testing and customer oriented improvements.

The biggest and most tragic mistake is that Linux is losing market share among PROGRAMMERS because of the deployment issues LH has brought up. Instead, by being as attractive to programmers as possible, more software will be written for it, which means more good, useful software will be written, which people may start using, which will attract commercial software companies to start targetting it.

Rambling comment over.

Anonymous said...

In my neck of the woods, Open Source and Linux use is growing.

I think the Linux community could use a health dose of "get the fuck over your ego" and a little "enough of your lame fucking turf wars".

Personally, I think Linux is the most interesting area of computing right now.
If for no other reason then it represents a more stable long term model then the monopoly model we currently have.

Windows has hit a brick wall mostly because it has reached its design goals.
Sadly, those design goals include a massive monopoly.

OS X is a fucking FreeBSD fork from a failure company. I know you like your iPod, but Apple is much better at polishing other people's work then they are at designing software. Without OpenSource, your precious macBooks would be running some version of the abortion that was OS 9.

Linux might fail, but it won't fail because of the problem mentioned on this blog. If Linux fails, it will be because asshats put their fragile little egos in front of making good engineering decisions.

h1d said...

Can you for once, separate the kernel (and other non gui goodies) from the desktop?

Linux was a huge success, if you can't see that, please stop touching it. Even if it doesn't have any paid support by the original developers, so many commercial companies use it. (And don't even start relating this about the gui departments.)

But obivously the 'failure' company is doing a much better job about thinking for the users instead of zealots surronding the 'most interested area of computing', who are full of themselves.

I felt like rephrasing it.

"[your distro] is a fucking craft from a bunch of amatures. I know you like your GPL'ed codes and the word 'free', but foss lusers is much better at contributing their shit piece of code to screw things for everyone than they are at designing software.
Without Windows/Mac, your precious computers would be running some version of the abortion that was simply unusable."

Anonymous said...

@hd1
First, I like Windows. It's a good OS.

But mac? Show me an Apple designed OS that was not a piece of shit and I'll show you an Apple II.

Like it or not, OS X is a product of the same community of "amatures" that attribute to Linux.

So go fuck yourself and your shinny overpriced FreeBSD fork.

BTW, while your fucking yourself, please learn what an operating system is. I'll give you a hint. It's not iTunes or GarageBand.

Anonymous said...

@h1d
You stupid fuck, you are a fucker who thinks that playing with semantics changes anything of substance, so lets all of us call Linux , Gnu/Linux/Gnome/Kde/Gcc/Evolution/Openoffice/Amarok/Anal rape OS, since Linux is only the kernel.

Go fuck yourself with a spoon, freetard

Anonymous said...

Actually, his surname is Vukićević.

Corbin Simpson said...

Rotation is accelerated with radeon now, using xf86-video-ati-6.9.0.

http://www.botchco.com/agd5f/?p=24

Thanks for the bug report, though.

~ C.

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