Tuesday, July 8, 2008

Turn your head and KOffice

You know, just when I thought it couldn't get any worse with OpenOffice, along come the KDE folks with yet another office suite.

Why? Seriously? Why? goddamnit. Every line of code you guys write for KOffice is a line of code that could have gone into improving OpenOffice. Please know that you are probably doing the world more harm than good by working on this.

Maybe someone thinks that if Linux has like 3 billion office suites, then it can finally take over MS Office? I mean, there's so much choice. Who could possibly resist?

KWord. It like, totally integrates with your desktop. Like it uses the same icons. And colors. Cool. It can also show me garbled versions of documents that people send me. With fonts and colors that are consistent with my desktop. Sweet. Oh, and it's based on frames, apparently. Frames! Did I mention that it's based on frames? Frames are awesome. Frames. Frames. Frames. The fact that it's based on frames apparently makes up for all its deficiencies, I think. Wow, in all this time I've used MS Office, I didn't realize that I needed frames so much.

KSpread. Pretty much the same as KWord, sans the frames.

BTW. I hear these apps don't really support macros, cuz, like they're insecure or something. Never mind that they're hugely useful. Oh, but they have DCOP! hurray for DCOP!

K*. Yea I'm tired of this game. I get it. You pretty much made 1:1 clones of MS Office components. Except for Karbon14 and Krita, which are drop-in replacements for Illustrator and Photoshop. Uh huh. Just like the Open Office guys. Sweet. Doing the same work but in a slightly different way is totally like cooperating right? Go open source!

Oh I know. Maybe if you made all your apps frames-based, people would care.

Also BTW, just in case this somehow made you want to try it out, don't try to type the euro character. Seriously, just copy and paste it from here: € . See, now that wasn't so hard was it?

91 flames:

thecodewitch said...

A short blurb lifted from the KWord website: (http://www.koffice.org/kword/)

"KWord is a frame-based word-processing and desktop publishing application. KWord is capable of creating demanding and professional looking documents. Whether you are a corporate or home user, production artist or student, KWord will prove a valuable and easy to use tool for all your word processing and layout needs."

After reading this little blurb promoting KWord, a question springs to mind...

Who the fuck are you talking to?

Who the fuck is listening?
Who the fuck still cares?

Anonymous said...

Last time I checked MS Office was insanely overpriced. OpenOffice has nearly if not all the features MS Office has, except its free, supports more formats and runs on more platforms.

Multiple office suites encourage competition, which is a concept you clearly haven't grasped yet. But, if you want to pay for a copy of MS Office for each computer you own that's your choice. Just not a very good one.

Matt Chaput said...

The awesomest thing about Kword is how it rips off an icon I did for the Amiga OS. Nothing more professional than that! Oh wait, not professional... pathetic. That's the word I was looking for.

Anonymous said...

"Multiple office suites encourage competition, which is a concept you clearly haven't grasped yet."

How does KOffice even begin to qualify as "competition" to any other office suite?

thecodewitch said...

How does KOffice even begin to qualify as "competition" to any other office suite?

I'd like to have been there at the meeting where it was decided work would begin on KOffice.

Since I wasn't there, here is what I think was said.

Dev1: Fellow dickheads, it is time to introduce a truly free Office suite that will free us once and for all from the brutal tyranny of MS Office.
Dev2: Didn't someone already do that?
Dev3: Yeah, wasn't that what OpenOffice was all about?
Dev1: Silence!!!! You think OpenOffice is truly free? Fools!! Thats what they want you to think!!!
Dev2: That's what who wants us to think?
Dev1: SILENCE!!!!!! While our only office suite choices are MS Office and OpenOffice, the human race will never be free.
Dev2: Those poor MS users. Look at them all, editing and passing Word documents around so productively. The smooth operation and ease of use of MS Word just makes it that much harder for them to realise how trapped they are. Don't they realise they are under the jackboot of microsoft?
Dev3: Shouldn't that be Micro$oft?
Dev2: Oh yes of course, "Micro$oft". Yes, because expecting to be paid to make and maintain software is evil.
Dev1: We will coax those users into installing KDE - then we shall convince them that the way to complete their transition from bondage to freedom is to SURRENDER TO KOFFICE, pardon me, I meant "install" KOffice, and commit the rest of their waking hours and sanity to getting our freedom juice flowing freely on their computers, until the stench of freedom surrounds them, causing their non-free wives and children to leave them.
Dev1, 2 and 3: ONWARD TO FREEDOM!

Something like that anyway.

xenocoder said...

goddamn funny, I blew coke out of my nose reading about frames.

"Koffice: with Frames, it's got what lusers crave!"

Anonymous said...

As for the Euro sign, I just have to disagree. First, the information presented at your link is not specific to KWord, but applies to all modern X11 applications. Second, the same steps have to be done anyway to get any non-English characters (i.e., the steps of setting $LANG and configuring the keybord for Xorg are vital for non-English speakers), so it is done out of the box on all modern distros that have at least some amount of non-English community. Third, any missing characters can be found in KCharSelect, copied and pasted (e.g., for the Russian keyboard configuration described below, this applies to Greek letters).

Finally, there is a wonderful thing called "Compose key" that allows you (at least in UTF-8 based locales, but UTF-8 is the default nowadays) to type Compose, E, = and get €. Just use the keyboard configuration applet from KDE to map it to, say, the right Windows key, or do the same by editing xorg.conf (the following example applies to Russia):

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
Driver "kbd"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
Option "XkbLayout" "us,ru"
Option "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:rwin"
EndSection

(And yes, this does mean that the xmodmap-based solution on that page is old and obsolete, but that's a different problem, unfortunately, too common)

Anonymous said...

Hahaha. This day starts off really nicely. Thanks for making so many great posts

thecodewitch said...

(And yes, this does mean that the xmodmap-based solution on that page is old and obsolete, but that's a different problem, unfortunately, too common)

I hear ya man. That and the other stuff you said about some xorg.conf config file somewhere. Rock on.

Then again, maybe I want to use the word processor to do some actual work, rather than experience the exhilarating freedom of chasing down some bug in your power-to-the-people, hippie, broken word processor imitation.

Anonymous said...

@thecodewitch

For the record, there is a flawn in your meeting for creation of KOffice, it couldn't have mentionned OpenOffice, it's simply an impossibility, since when such meeting occured, OpenOffice simply didn't exists (StarOffice did, but it doesn't qualify as FreeSoftware).

thecodewitch said...

For the record, there is a flawn in your meeting for creation of KOffice, it couldn't have mentionned OpenOffice, it's simply an impossibility, since when such meeting occured, OpenOffice simply didn't exists (StarOffice did, but it doesn't qualify as FreeSoftware).

Interesting. No wait, the other thing... tedious.

If you're right, I'll bet they started building an entire office suite simply because they didn't like the name "KOffice".

Regardless, here's a patch you can apply. Just swap KOffice for OpenOffice (and vice versa) in the script. My script is open source, so you can do that. Maybe it'll get incorporated into the next release of Ubuntu.

h1d said...

so, there were still abiword, gnumeric. glad there's no completely new goffice implementation. but, despite how much effort it needs to make a (half) working office suite implementation, is koffice used by anyone at all but people who just had kde installed by default and just clicked on "word processor" menu link and thought that's what all they had?

serious waste of human resources. foss people are too short sighted that if something happens to be not in their taste, they call for fork or new implementation without thinking free coders time is rather limited. but then again, it's mostly human related problem that causes a project to split or gets a completely new implem entation because original devs are dumbheads or something that don't just listen.

Anonymous said...

"How does KOffice even begin to qualify as "competition" to any other office suite?"

It is a somewhat decent office suite, due to the fact its relatively lightweight. However, the point is multiple --insert program here-- encourages competition.

Being restricted to a single program for any given task is ridiculous and hinders innovation.

Anonymous said...

> As for the Euro sign, I just have to disagree. First, the information presented at your link is not specific to KWord, but applies to all modern X11 applications. Second, the same steps have to be done anyway

Yeah, try explaining all that to someone who just fucking wants to type the EURO symbol.

As for the post, I thought it was funny, but I don't agree with the point. I'm against code duplication, especially in the FOSS world where it seems to be a favourite past-time. But you picked the wrong K-app. Well, if you had to pick one, go with Kwin effects which are nothing but Compiz's features copied (and very poorly too). Anyhow, OpenOffice is simply terrible. It has the exact feature set of MS Office 97 and looks the same to boot. Plus it cannot display DOC files formatted properly. Not to mention, on the developer side, the program is very bloated and the codebase is a spaghetti-like mess. KOffice is actually a great application and it has its place and need for development. It's no replacement for Office 2007 and likely won't ever be, but its the best the FOSS world has to offer in the office suite range.

Alexei said...

>> Being restricted to a single program for any given task is ridiculous and hinders innovation.

And having several half-baked apps to choose from.. let me guess.. makes you want to go to XP again?

(And, BTW, OO isn't so bad, IMHO, at least the Novel edition. Works for me! (tm) :)

Anonymous said...

>Section "InputDevice"
>Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
>Driver "kbd"
>Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
>Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
>Option "XkbLayout" "us,ru"
>Option "XkbOptions" >"grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:rwin"
EndSection

Yeah, thanks a lot, man!! Now I can't fucking start a terminal!!! What a fucking load of crap this Fucknus is!

Anonymous said...

Every line of code you guys write for KOffice is a line of code that could have gone into improving OpenOffice.

Bollocks. OpenOffice has such a bloated and shit codebase that it will take much longer to create a working line of code for it than it would for KOffice. That's without even mentioning the bloated and shit bureaucracy behind OpenOffice. Getting a patch included in it is difficult, due to shifting bug reports, incoherent arguments amongst the Sir Humphrey Appleby impersonators who run the project, and their desperate clinging to the status quo.

I would guesstimate that for each line of KOffice code a developer could have written 0.02 lines of OpenOffice code.

KOffice is cock at the moment, but even given less developers, it stands to equal and overtake OpenOffice in the not too distant future. My hopes are that KOffice will overtake OpenOffice in functionality, whilst keeping lean and fast.

You know why OpenOffice has a seagull in the logo? Because it likes flying in and shitting all over your stuff.

Anonymous said...

KOffice is cock at the moment, but even given less developers, it stands to equal and overtake OpenOffice in the not too distant future. My hopes are that KOffice will overtake OpenOffice in functionality, whilst keeping lean and fast.


And so it goes and goes and goes...always waiting for useful software. Always making excuses.

Meanwhile 99% of the rest of the world has been using useful software for years.

Good luck with that koffice thing.

Yonah said...

Spot on dude. A lot of these morons just don't get it. The ONLY thing that matters in an office suite is 100% compatibility with Microsoft Office, which like it or not, IS the de facto standard in today's world. Open Office can't even do that right, so instead of fixing these problems we have a totally separate set of asshats working on something else, which also won't be completely compatible with what real people use. Bravo.

I really admire this blog. You've said things I've not had the time nor energy to produce. I'm sick and god damn tired of the lies, bullshit, and outright stupidity that comes from the Linux community. They are small, but spend such a disproportionate amount of time on-line puking out propaganda, that it's nice to see someone fighting back. Keep it up.

Anonymous said...

Oh, thats just great. When I start update-manager the window just sits there forever grayed out. Whats up with that? And now when I click that power button icon in the corner to shut down, the gnome panel just disappears and nothing more happens. Just a blank desktop is shown.

Come on, guys. I just wanna use my computer for - you know - computer stuff.. I don't want to use it to do Linux stuff. Why can't it just work?

Anonymous said...

> Yeah, thanks a lot, man!! Now I
> can't fucking start a
> terminal!!! What a fucking load
> of crap this Fucknus is!

Sorry. The example was badly wrapped. And it won't work anyway on too-modern distros that use "evdev" instead of "kbd", please also see some discussion about the related bug.

alankila said...

"Being restricted to a single program for any given task is ridiculous and hinders innovation."

I disagree. Being restricted to single program guarantees that everything works the same way for everyone. People bitch about this a lot and talk about the dangers of monoculture.

Their argument is not without merit. Unfortunately, I think it is more important to have uniformly working, even if slightly sucking product, to a lot of similar apps, all which suck in different ways.

I'm starting to think that software will always suck. The only thing that matters is that we can learn to avoid the ways the software sucks and get a good experience.

If things keep on changing from underneath us, we will not be able to compensate for what is the inherent suckage of software.

MacHater said...

The ONLY thing that matters in an office suite is 100% compatibility with Microsoft Office, which like it or not, IS the de facto standard in today's world. Open Office can't even do that right,
Even MS can't get this right. MS Office isn't 100 % compatible between versions. Just try using Office:Mac 2008 or Office 2007 documents with Office XP. Clusterfucktakular!

The worst in FOSS office solutions is that they're only kinda sorta not really compatible with each other. Try odf in Abiword for example. I'm already looking forward to the GPrideWeek, when the hater is gonna rip gnome office apart. KOffice almost shines in comparison.

The frame based approach of KWord is nice, because it tries to emulate the one and only Wordprocessor worth using: FrameMaker. Other good word processors are Apple Pages and Mellel.

Anonymous said...

OpenOffice Writer is the only part of OOO.org that's better than word, especially for long documents. Everything else sucks balls. The only office components MS gets right are Excel, which really excels all other spreadsheets available and Outlook, which is damn powerful.

taffer said...

Speaking of half-assed recreations of things from the 80s and early 90s, check this out:

http://live.linux-gamers.net/

I bet it's full of state of the art games like DOOM, Quake and TuxRacer. Assuming that it somehow manages to support 3D acceleration on your system. And sound works.

thecodewitch said...

Speaking of half-assed recreations of things from the 80s and early 90s, check this out:

http://live.linux-gamers.net/

I bet it's full of state of the art games like DOOM, Quake and TuxRacer. Assuming that it somehow manages to support 3D acceleration on your system. And sound works.


Nice games site! Funny thing, for a site about linux games, interesting that there are Win32 version of all the games, all of which are far less of a pain in the arse to install and get running than the linux versions...

Interesting how for Win32, a platform that the linux zealots like to portray as hostile and anti-innovation, that all the SDL, SDL_gfx, OpenGL (built into windows), SDL_mixer, etc libraries seem to be readily available and far less of a hassle to set up (and interface with in code) than the supposed "programmer's OS" Linux versions are.

Linux: Disappointing. In so many ways.

Anonymous said...

If you don't like it, don't use it. It's what we in the FOSS world call CHOICE, see? That's the beauty of FOSS.

And no, nobody really needs the Euro sign, kiddo.

Anonymous said...

OpenOffice has nearly if not all the features MS Office has, except its free, supports more formats and runs on more platforms.


Maybe you wanted to say:

OpenOffice has nearly if not all the features MS Office had back then when MS Office 97 was released.

Anyways it it a good alternative for people that doesn't do any serious work with it and that doesn't want to pay for the office suite.

Anonymous said...

"OpenOffice Writer is the only part of OOO.org that's better than word, especially for long documents. Everything else sucks balls. The only office components MS gets right are Excel, which really excels all other spreadsheets available and Outlook, which is damn powerful."

The only comment worth reading today.

The rest of the hate here is just dumb including the OP.

Horatio_Hellpop said...

//Last time I checked MS Office was insanely overpriced.//

OMG! Software that works, which costs money! The horror! The horror!

Get a job other than flipping burgers, and maybe you can afford to *buy software* that works well. I'm so tired of that argument.

OO is free, yes. It's also a pile of festering horse shit.

Horatio_Hellpop said...

//Just use the keyboard configuration applet from KDE to map it to, say, the right Windows key, or do the same by editing xorg.conf (the following example applies to Russia):

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
Driver "kbd"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
Option "XkbLayout" "us,ru"
Option "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll,compose:rwin"
EndSection//

Ah, yes. How silly of the average computer user to not intuitively understand how to make that happen.

.... readying the clue bat ....

Anonymous said...

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What do you make of this: iphonelinux.org
It's gonna save de iFone from failure don't you think?

Jewbaca

Horatio_Hellpop said...

@machater

//Office 2007 documents with Office XP. Clusterfucktakular!//


umm ... just download the Office 2007 compatibility pack, click click click, done?

That was hard.

Dorian said...

Development on KOffice makes sense, because the code base for OpenOffice is atrocious.

Some of Sun Microsystem's engineers estimated it would take over a year to refactor the code in OpenOffice to make it usable. That is without adding any new features.

If the KOffice devs manage to create a decent office suite that can be extended to any number of platforms, we all win.

Sorry LH this time you're wrong. It is not about MS Office compatibility. It is about users being able to access and edit documents wherever and whenever and without artificial restrictions.

Ted said...

"If you don't like it, don't use it. It's what we in the FOSS world call CHOICE, see? That's the beauty of FOSS."

Actually, because you have this aptitude all our choices suck.

Kword just distracts devs from working together on a truly great word processor.

But why would the KDE devs work together with anyone? They've already shown they could care less about what anyone thinks but themselves. Screw users.

Anonymous said...

I can happily say that after using this freetard operating system on and off for the last 15 years, I am probably not going to infest any of my desktops with it anymore. It's just such a big timewaster and you never really achieve anything that couldn't be done in a few clicks on
any other commercial operating system.

If I'd have to pay myself for all the hours I have wasted setting up X or some other crap, I would be able to buy a 24 karat gold and titanium plated MacBook Pro at least a couple of times.

rich11mm said...



I was able to do this with my EEE.

Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Choice? You mean, you can choose between plague and cholera?!?

AnneW said...

Despite the puerile remarks in and about this article, there are some very good reasons for wanting KOffice in addition to OpenOffice.org. Have you never needed a quick and dirty spreadsheet, useful now but redundant in an hour or two? Do you really want to fire up the behemoth for that?

You mock the Frames approach, yet that was the thing that first attracted me. KWord can sit in a wonderful niche, halfway between word processor and desktop layout. You'd have to fight OOo to get an attractive photo album page, but it's a synch with kword.

Above all, the ability to choose our application for the task in hand is something we greatly value in Linux. Long live KOffice.

Horatio_Hellpop said...

@annew
//Do you really want to fire up the behemoth for that?//

Right, because that takes oh-so-long. Were you going to find a cure for cancer in the 30-40 seconds it took to load Office?

Anonymous said...

It doesn't even take that long to boot up OOo. Maybe on a really slow machine. But honestly, if you're just doing some quickie spreadsheet, there's no point in worrying about creating a whole new office suite or trying to make a full-featured application just for that.

"KOffice is a great full-featured office suite! Why? Because even though it sucks, it's fast, and I don't really need features or functionality, anyway!"

Bodhibuilder said...

"I really admire this blog. You've said things I've not had the time nor energy to produce. I'm sick and god damn tired of the lies, bullshit, and outright stupidity that comes from the Linux community. They are small, but spend such a disproportionate amount of time on-line puking out propaganda, that it's nice to see someone fighting back. Keep it up."
A perfect summary of the whole LH blog uniqueness that should be thrown in the face of every fanboy that comes here bitching about "wasting your time" and wondering what LH motivation and purpose is.

DCMonkey said...

Ah, this brings back memories.

Let's start a Bonobo vs. KParts vs. UNO vs. XPCOM war.

thecodewitch said...



I was able to do this with my EEE.

Thanks!


The Eee provided a rare experience - a linux box that works, that I could set up my development environments on with little hassle. Asus were smart enough to iron out the graphics kinks so OpenGL works out of the box, and all the hardware actually seems to work properly. I even managed to set up an offline debian package repository, so I could rebuild the machine with all my tools in minutes off an SD card.

But you know what? It was too late. As soon as I did all that, I stopped giving a shit. Even though I got all my projects compiling and running on the Eee, MS pulled me away from linux a long time ago when I tried out their free, high quality development tools (Visual Studio C++ Express, which is based on the battle tested, continuously maintained non-free Visual Studio software used throughout the known universe for the past 20 years). Something about the way it was so immediately usable and useful made me eventually realise how no amount of bullshit propaganda about open source software could make up for all the time and energy that I wasted getting linux to work in the past. When I hear these days about the kind of utterly stupid development priorities of the Ubuntu distro, the KDE4 project and so many others, it becomes clear why despite being free, linux hasn't progressed an inch in 15 years.

It boggles the mind that the OSS idiots are harassing Asus because of something to do with them not releasing their code in a timely manner, or having the wrong code on their website......
Here is a question for you idiots: What will you do with the code when you get it?? Are you going to take it and do something useful with it?? The only correct answer is: NO! You're NOT! Asus invested time and development money on fixing some shit to add value to the machine. You, asshat, will only code what you give a shit about. As a result, you'll splinter the platform, thereby making it harder for professionals to develop useful software for it.

Apologies for this comment having nothing to do with KOffice.

matt mc said...

"If you don't like it, don't use it. It's what we in the FOSS world call CHOICE, see? That's the beauty of FOSS.

And no, nobody really needs the Euro sign, kiddo."

If you don't like the blog, don't read it. It's what we in the REAL world call COMMON SENSE, see?

I live in Ireland, and I work with the Euro currency. So, yes, I do need the € symbol, you insensitive clod.

Anonymous said...

The page about how to type a Euro character is priceless!

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately MS Office has alot of features that nobody ever uses and aren't very useful in the first place.

KOffice, Abiword, and Gnumeric offer a fast and no bullshit approach towards office applications. Good or bad depending on how you look at it.

If the issue is 100% compatibility with MS Office then MS is really fucking themselves over by deciding to support ODF. After that what's the point of paying upwards of $600 when everything you really need is available for free?

Haos said...

"Unfortunately MS Office has alot of features that nobody ever uses and aren't very useful in the first place."

No dude, just because you have no fucking idea what all those functions in MS Office are for, it doesnt mean that they arent usefull nor that nobody ever uses them... Dont judge it over your poor example.


"KOffice, Abiword, and Gnumeric offer a fast and no bullshit approach towards office applications. Good or bad depending on how you look at it."

Read my lips. KOffice is a shit. Doesnt work. Being available for free wont make it anything better than it is. That is, shit. Free shit.


"If the issue is 100% compatibility with MS Office then MS is really fucking themselves over by deciding to support ODF. After that what's the point of paying upwards of $600 when everything you really need is available for free?"

1. It works;
2. It works on every PC here we have in the same way;
3. It works with all earlier versions;
4. Did i mentioned it works?

As for the LinuxHater`s Blog - keep up the great work. A bit of criticism can only help Linux. If those bloody ass-licking zealots cannot grasp it, fuck them, and keep writing!

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

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It's the sound of linux.. Music! .. So n1ce.. << Notice the tweaked spelling with a "1" (one) instead of an "i".

blackbelt_jones said...

"Unfortunately MS Office has alot of features that nobody ever uses and aren't very useful in the first place."

No dude, just because you have no fucking idea what all those functions in MS Office are for, it doesnt mean that they arent usefull nor that nobody ever uses them... Dont judge it over your poor example.


I agree. I think it would be more accurate to say that it has a lot of features that many people don't need. I'm sure there are people who want them and are willing to pay for them. Nothing wrong with that. I'm just glad that I don't have to spend a lot of money just to get a word processor.

Actually, I don't even bother with Open Office. AbiWord usually does the trick for me, and I usually use that only for things like spell checks and word counts.




Read my lips. KOffice is a shit. Doesnt work. Being available for free wont make it anything better than it is. That is, shit. Free shit.


Thus making you the 100th person in here to describe Linux applications by evoking fecal matter without a single detail explaining that.

Say it all you want, tell me to read your lips, make your day, hear you now and believe you later... insert any eighties catch phrase you like. I can only assume that you guys consider Linux apps to be shit... crappy crappy shit, because they are so tragically bereft of cartoon figures: no cartoon dogs, cartoon Einsteins, or talking cartoon paper clips. How that must suck for you!

Anonymous said...

And so it goes and goes and goes...always waiting for useful software. Always making excuses.

Meanwhile 99% of the rest of the world has been using useful software for years.

Please note, anonymous pricktits, that no-where in that post did I say that KOffice would be useful. Just that it would be less shit than OpenOffice.

Dread Knight said...

You are saying

"Go open source!"

like you really mean

"Go f*** yourself!" xD

Anonymous said...

You suck man!

Anonymous said...

And no, nobody really needs the Euro sign, kiddo.

That's right, KOffice makes you freer by denying you the tools to represent the capitalist monetary systems used by Micro$oft and Apple.

With features like these, Linux will be desktop ready and conquering business and enterprise markets in no time!

Azathoth said...

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so easy

Windows rules

Anonymous said...

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so EA$Y

Linux rules

Anonymous said...

thanks for making me realise. am leaving linux for good. thought foss had a good deal. It fucking sucks

Anonymous said...

From Wikipedia's "Euro" article:

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And Linux doesn't support it properly out-of-the-box, more than EIGHT FUCKING YEARS after it was introduced as a currency and SIX FUCKING YEARS after the first notes and coins were issued? The Eee supporting it out of the box is touted as a fucking ACHIEVEMENT?!?!

In contrast Microsoft supported it out-of-the-box in Windows 98. TEN FUCKING YEARS AGO. They also issued updates for Windows 95, NT 4.0, NT 3.51 and even Windows 3.x. Source.

I would expect most users wanting to type a Euro symbol to press the key combination marked on the keyboard. AltGr+e in most of Europe, AltGr+4 on a UK keyboard because AltGr+e already produced an é.

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By the way: €. (with a computer running Linux).

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