Wednesday, July 9, 2008

What is KDE?

Administrative note: Google banned my ads! WTF? Anywhow, they've totally earned a spot on my lame lusers list. So instead, you can check out some LHB merch. Not much there yet. We can do a T-shirt design contest or something lame like that.

So, once in a while, some random person (lets say my poor old grandma) will ask me, "What is KDE?". I'm too lazy to try to come up with an explanation myself, so instead I refer to the What is KDE page. Surely, it's linked right off the front page, so it should be perfect to explain to lay people what KDE is all about, right?

I'll just start at the top.

KDE or the K Desktop Environment, is a network transparent contemporary desktop environment for UNIX workstations.


Woah. I think you lost my grandma already. She probably thinks its some kind of kinky see-through environment for eunuchs.

KDE seeks to fulfill the need for an easy to use desktop for UNIX workstations, similar to desktop environments found on Macintosh and Microsoft Windows operating systems.


Oh, so you are just a crappy copy. Ok, cuz I was gonna say...

The UNIX operating system is according to us the best available today. When it comes to stability, scalability and openness UNIX has no competition.


Wow. According to the rest of the world, you have no idea what you're talking about.

In fact UNIX has been the undisputed choice of information technology professionals for many years.


Really? cuz I see a lot of Windows around... but that must be just me. Carry on.

The lack of an easy to use contemporary desktop environment, however, has prevented UNIX from finding its way onto desktops of typical computer users in offices and homes.


Oh. No way! That's why?! I totally thought I hate it because there were no apps and none of my hardware worked. Wow, thanks for clearing that up!

UNIX today dominates the server market and is the preferred computing platform for computing professionals and scientists alike.


I think you meant to say that lusers like it. It's ok. I'll let that slide.

The Internet, a household name traces its heritage to UNIX.


Cuz you know, the internet wouldn't have existed if it weren't for UNIX. I mean, Windows or Mac can't do networking at all. It had nothing to do with DARPA or anything.

In spite of such ubiquitous creations from the UNIX community, average computer users still expect it to be difficult to use and often stay away.


Wait wait. Let me guess. Is that because it is difficult to use?

This fact is particularly unfortunate since a number of implementations of UNIX, all of which are of exceptional quality and stability (Debian GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD etc.) are freely available of the Internet.


It's also particularly unfortunate that there are several exceptionally high quality implementations of HOT WOMEN like Jessica Alba and Angeline Jolie but I keep getting permission denied errors when I try to access any of them. Perhaps they too are lacking a usable desktop environment.

Anyways, guys, I think you lost my grandma like 20 minutes ago. She's like, over there knitting or something. You had your chance.

I really am amazed at how you guys can sound so serious and at the same time show that you are so misinformed. That still has to be good for something? When I start my faschist anti-Linux movement, I'll be sure to recruit you guys to run my propaganda machine.

119 flames:

h1d said...

woohoo, first post. (yeah it's getting that famous.)

nice post like always. maybe next time you could bring someone but your grandma who might care to actually use a comp and is willing to make a choice.

thecodewitch said...

Why is it always a whiny, pathetic sob story whenever you read about linux, and the legion of shitty, worthless open source apps that run on it?

Why is it always:
"All the superhackers and intelligent people use this software. Don't you want to be smart like them?"
"Please, please oh please use it...it totally doesn't suck now"
"We invented the internet, why won't you love me?"

And why is there a HOWTO on linux advocacy? Why is there even such a thing as linux advocacy? Who are you trying to convince? I thought you didn't need users.


Other software relies on actually being useful and meeting a need to be successful. Linux on the other hand offers manipulative and deceptive double talk to push its shit and trick people into investing their time and energy into it.

The lack of an easy to use contemporary desktop environment, however, has prevented UNIX from finding its way onto desktops of typical computer users in offices and homes.


Oh. No way! That's why?! I totally thought I hate it because there were no apps and none of my hardware worked. Wow, thanks for clearing that up!


Well said!!

Anonymous said...

C'mon - already out of topics after 2 days of your KDE week?

thecodewitch said...

C'mon - already out of topics after 2 days of your KDE week?

Hating is hard work.

Here is something the KDE dickheads could fix if they gave a shit. This bug has been there for at least 3 years. Its KDE apps (like KWrite, Kate, KDevelop and KSuckMyDick) having the status bar at the bottom of the window becoming 3 or 4 times wider than it should be for no fucking reason. I need my screen space shitheads! Oh, hang on, it works for you, so you're not going to fix it. And no, I'm not going to spend the next month preparing to compile it from source, and sifting through your dirty laundry just so I can has an open source KDE version of notepad.exe that has inconsistent cut and paste behaviour, font redraw problems and comes with a built in terminal for some fucking reason.

Anonymous said...

Boo-hoo, the nothing-new LH blog lost its ad money.

But hey, at least your blog is full of absolutely relevant, intelligent, informed, helpful content, right? Right?
...
...Right?

Oh, wait, no. Your blog is full of crap, and it's popular the same way Britney Spears is popular. For being a lousy whore that's easy to get the masses to buy into.

I really hate KDE, so I'm pretty disappointed that you couldn't even do a decent job making me nod in approval with your KDE week posts.

By the way, the real ad money is in porn and sites hosting flash games. Since you suck at writing and your blog is dying out already, you might want to consider switching ad-mooching tactics.

Anonymous said...

Why would Google ban your ads? Don't they make money from them too? This is some crappy business model they're running.

Ironically, now they're hosting your blog and making zero money off of it (no ads that I can see, and I know I'm not using adblock). Wouldn't it just be easier to ban you?

Anonymous said...

"built in terminal for some fucking reason"

Really? How could that possibly be useful... oh wait fuck what happens if a person wanted to compile whatever they were writing. Holy shit dude get a fucking brain. I think you really need to get over the fact that there is a world outside of MS Windows. But, if you really want to suck Ballmers balls all the time that's your choice.

"Why would Google ban your ads? Don't they make money from them too? This is some crappy business model they're running."

Maybe cause people fucking hate them and just block them anyway. And a crappy business model you have to be kidding me. Anyone who would make such a statement is obviously retarded. Or I'm wrong and Google has no money at all.

thecodewitch said...

Oh, wait, no. Your blog is full of crap, and it's popular the same way Britney Spears is popular. For being a lousy whore that's easy to get the masses to buy into.

Bullshit. This blog is fucKDEn gnawesome.

LHB's writings express the venom and anger that has built up in many of us after being subjected to the deluge of pompous bullshit from the FSF crowd.

After 69 posts, each one on a different topic, I think you can cut the guy some slack.

Personally, I hope LHB is raking in gigabucks in ad revenue, t-shirt sales, donations, and the goodwill generated by ripping linux a new one. He is performing a vital service for the community.

Anonymous said...

this post is a little weak but like thecodewitch said, we can let that slide, after some much hate you've already released on the web. :p

hoping to see more hate.

thecodewitch said...

Really? How could that possibly be useful... oh wait fuck what happens if a person wanted to compile whatever they were writing. Holy shit dude get a fucking brain.

Perhaps its a matter of taste, but in practice I've preferred to use shortcuts to scripts I've set up to build, debug and run my app, or even go back to the terminal window I spawned KWrite from to do the compiling, gdb-ing and running, because I barely trust the thing not to lose my work, let alone cope with having a shell process that doesn't bring the editor to a grinding halt. Fix the major bugs in the editor before adding half arsed features in a desparate attempt to make the thing look like an IDE.

And don't mention KDevelop to me... the thing is a house of cards, presenting the appearance of an IDE. Trouble is, it doesn't do the actual housekeeping an IDE is supposed to do (like maintaining the source dependencies). It pretends it does through its mysterious and pointless calls to autoconf, but it doesn't. You only realise it when it bites you in the arse after you discover that the cause of the mysterious crashes is the IDE hasn't been updating the makefile. So the only way to use KDevelop is to do a full clean after every source edit, to force it to rebuild, thus negating the need for the IDE in the first place!!

So now, when I develop on linux, instead of KDevelop I use an excellent perl script I found on the interweb called mkmf.pl (http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/~vb/mkmf.html). I run it to generate or update the makefile, then I hit make.

I think you really need to get over the fact that there is a world outside of MS Windows. But, if you really want to suck Ballmers balls all the time that's your choice.

This is the final defence left to linux zealots - the "You use windows, you aren't as 1337 as us".

I use windows to do my programming, because I can get stuff done there.

One thing you can reasonable argue if you wanted to is that the open source community may have been inadvertently responsible for encouraging MS to release a free, high quality IDE (Visual Studio express edition). But you're not arguing that, so whatever.

Please tell me, in what universe can any combination of freetard dev tools be considered more reliable and solid for managing multiple projects + libraries + dependencies etc than visual studio C++ express?

Anonymous said...

"I use windows to do my programming, because I can get stuff done there."

Exactly. After using Linux for years, I'm amazed at how productive I am using Windows just all around the board. Things don't crash randomly when I'm in the middle of writing a term paper (coughOpenOfficecough), I don't have to constantly fiddle around with obscure config files to make everything work as it should, and in general Microsoft applications are really well made (even IE7 to my suprise). Visual Studio is like some divine fruit of the gods next to the shit IDEs that the freetards tried to push on me.

The lusers need to dig their heads out of the sand.

ihatevi said...

> UNIX today dominates the server market

That is no longer true

Anonymous said...

This blog sucks now. There's plenty to complain about in Linux and even KDE specifically, but your criticisms are terrible.

Why don't you just go dig up some of the less stupid Gentoo forum posts and run those if you can't think of anything?

Anonymous said...

Eclipse is actually quite good as an IDE (especially v3.4).

The only problem with it:
It's slow as shit memory hog, like the rest of the FOSS stack.

FOSS is DEAD DEAD DEAD.
I hate you all, pompous shit spanning losers! You have close to nothing to show off, and everything you do is third rate, losing, desperate attempts at relevancy.

FOSS is the most pathetic movement out there, and if it wasn't for your zealots, who manage to annoy the hell out of every fucking one, it would have gone to it's demise far sooner.

Will you all kill yourselves, or merely do us all the favor of shutting up, and never mentioning your shit software and stupid ideology ever again?

Pathetic lusers, cut your veins today!

Anonymous said...

"> UNIX today dominates the server market
That is no longer true"

No, forms of unix dominate the server market. For example, Google. Most web servers are some form of unix.

Also, I wouldn't call Visual Studio a "high quality IDE". It is fucking massive and bloated as shit. There are literally 1000's of little configuration options, one could spend weeks going through them all. If you want to see ugly look at the registry for Visual Studio, it could be bigger than Windows itself.

There are however good IDE's such as netbeans or eclipse that manage projects quite well without too much bloat. Plus they are cross platform. And if you like using some editor all you really need to learn is svn, cvs, etc... to manage files and changes throughout.

Alexei said...

>> And a crappy business model you have to be kidding me. Anyone who would make such a statement is obviously retarded. Or I'm wrong and Google has no money at all.

Yeah, great thinking, Einstein. NOT running ads is a great business model (as opposed to "crappy"). Google is rich as it is, why run ads at all? Go ahead, mail them, suggest they drop all their ads, they have lots of money already.

cheffo said...

LOL the blog is still good!
Viva fresh HATE!
It's better then morning coffee!

Anonymous said...

I love you Linuxhater! You should do some t-shirts - seriously! ..

We must let the world know that the emperor is naked.

Haos said...

"Holy shit dude get a fucking brain."

"But, if you really want to suck Ballmers balls all the time that's your choice."

Typical zealot response when his argument pool is depleted. One has to choose linux, else his choice is totally wrong. So this is that freedom they are talking about?

"I think you really need to get over the fact that there is a world outside of MS Windows."

I think you really need to get over the fact that there is a world outside of *nix. Tough.

Manan said...

Outrageously hilarious. I thought there weren't many on the internet who hated Linux as much as I do. nice to see kicking ass. Rock on!

Anonymous said...

Aaaaah now all is suddenly clear. So you are trying to make money out of this, by selling merchandise. So you have an interest in stirring as much noise as you can so as to increase the number of visitors. Now I understand why you keep trolling on and on. In fact, you're a kind of spammer -- at least your economic model is the same. At least you don't send e-mails, you rely on the word-of-mouth generated by your trolling, so the various news sites linking to your blog, such as OSNews, share the blame. I just hope, that the current anti-spam legislation covers your case.

It's not at all an error on the side of Google that they are blocking you, they are right to do so.

Anonymous said...

Bla bla bla bla ....

I can't make KDE or Gnome or ... work / behave like MS Windows. I don't like this/that or why is that there or why doesn't work as expected or... Wait a min ...

Work as ?
Don't like this ?
Why is that there ?
Work as expected ?
EXPECTED ?
E X P E C T E D ?

Who wrote what is expected ? Why must i give a shit what someone or or group thinks how something must be done/designed ? I want MY PERSONAL computing/productive enviroment/OS to fulfill MY needs. If it is GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, MAC OSX or MS Windows or BeOS or DOS or ... is irrelevant. MY PERSONAL computing/productive enviroment is nobody bussiness ...

Now if you have to WORK for/in a particular enviroment/OS, then plz give me a hint ( i'm stupid ) why MS Windows or MAC OSX or GNU/Linux or FreeBSD or Solaris is better from the others in GENERAL and not in a specific WORK CONTEXT.

i.e. if you have to work a project with .NET ( CLI ) then working in Solaris or MAC OSX must starve you to death ( ha ha ha ) ...

BUT that doesn't mean that Solaris or MAC OSX or VAX/VMS is shit. Your brain is or your Boss's to make such a pathetic decision ...

Get a life after you choose what is good/right/acceptable for you or change profession ...

wingrunr21 said...

>There are however good IDE's such as netbeans or eclipse that manage projects quite well without too much bloat. Plus they are cross platform. And if you like using some editor all you really need to learn is svn, cvs, etc... to manage files and changes throughout.

Actually Visual Studio is an excellent IDE for developing on Windows and is an example of quality that projects like KDevelop should strive to attain. However, I am not going to say that VS is not bloated. That program is huge and takes forever to install (not the Express Editions, the full VS). There are a good few open source IDEs that do the job quite well. I have been very happy with the quality of Code Blocks for some of my development work. Eclipse is no more bloated than Visual Studio and is second to none for Java development. I have little experience with Netbeans but have heard the newer versions are quite good as well.

I believe it is in error to say free software is dead. uTorrent is a hugely popular BT client that, while not open source, is still free. FileZilla is one of the best FTP programs I have found to date (BTW, FTP programs for Linux quite frankly suck a lot. Even FileZilla on Linux is buggy). But I believe this was covered under one of LHB's earlier posts. The good open source projects have a clear sense of direction and a good business model. 98% of the other projects are bitrotting or so convoluted that they are unusable.

Yonah said...

Having your ads pulled is bullshit. However, you might consider putting a PayPal donation button on your page. I can't speak for everyone, but I know I personally would like to buy you a beer sometime. A quick and easy donation is really the only feasible way of doing that.

Unlike the FOSS community, I have no problem rewarding others for their work.

Anonymous said...

"Eclipse is no more bloated than Visual Studio and is second to none for Java development."

Sorry to disappoint you but I guess you never tried Intellij Idea. That's an IDE which is really worth using for Java programming, plus, guess what? It's free for open source projects.

"FileZilla is one of the best FTP programs I have found to date"

Come on! I use FileZilla on Windows only because I need a ftp client once every 2 months. You can say that Filezilla is one of the best FREE ftp clients around; but it definitely doesn't compare to commercial clients.

I'm a supporter of open source software, but please, please FOSS is rarely comparable to commercial alternatives.

Serious

Anonymous said...

I did some Java programming with eclipse.
It's terrible.
400mb memory consumption, crashes a lot, configuration files corruption, whatever.

Eclipse is terrible, when you try to do anything beyond a basic project at your basement. intelliJ Idea is so much better, that there's no way to compare it to eclipse as maybe in some sort of a joke.

Is there ANY Open Source software that is better than it's propriety counterpart, in any way, except price?
I can only think about Firefox

Anonymous said...

Is there ANY Open Source software that is better than it's propriety counterpart, in any way, except price?
Apache, VLC, 7-zip to name a few.

Anonymous said...

LONG LIVE THE HATE!!

Quick story:

I used to work at a company that had a linux-based "product" into which they had poured man-years of effort and it was still a POS. I finally got the go ahead to build a 'test' version using .NET. I rebuilt the product with the original feature set and a lot more in 3 months.

Moral of short story:
Anyone claiming that linux and FOSS in general can compete with the productivity of Windows tools literally does not know what they're talking about.

Anonymous said...

LOL, he's trying to sell t-shirts. With a joke that's really not that clever, and at any rate is years old already.

Talk about someone (LH) wanting something (money) for producing unoriginal work (suck my tarballs) using free tools (blogger and cafepress). It's funny that he bitches about FOSS being all about free stuff, but then insists that he should get paid for his POS blog.

Yes, it's easy to start a loud and obnoxious, attention-getting blog. In high school, people get attention for dying their hair purple and cutting themselves. You, my internet-emo friend, complain when you break Google's terms of service and so they remove your ads. Yeah, they must be SO evil for removing your ads (as per the contract YOU agreed to) and STILL hosting your blog for free. So you can try to mooch of the internet community.

Horatio_Hellpop said...

@anonymous

Why do these freetard lusers constantly post anonymously?

Horatio_Hellpop said...

//FOSS is DEAD DEAD DEAD.
I hate you all, pompous shit spanning losers! You have close to nothing to show off, and everything you do is third rate, losing, desperate attempts at relevancy.//

You just summed up FOSS perfectly. Kudos.

Horatio_Hellpop said...

@anonymous

//If you want to see ugly look at the registry for Visual Studio, //

Windows apps have their own registry? Really?

Dumb. Ass. Freetard.

Horatio_Hellpop said...

@anonymous freetard

//In fact, you're a kind of spammer -- at least your economic model is the same. At least you don't send e-mails, //

Huh? He's like a spammer, but doesn't send emails?

How many more straws can you fucknut linux luser freetards grasp at? Begone!

Bodhibuilder said...

So you are trying to make money out of this, by selling merchandise.OMG! Treason! Guards! Seize him! He is trying to make money! What a devil! Dude, are you living in a cave, eating roots, and writing this through the power of your brain (wildly assuming you have one) and thus are in a moral position to criticize a need to make a living? Or has the FOSS philosophy brainwashed you so much that you despise the mere fact that someone is not doing something entirely for free? Anyways I presume you are just a spoiled brat with a rich daddy.
As for the "work as? expected?" guy, how about expecting software to be stable and reliable for a start? Oh, this is what other OS's are and have. Want Russian Roulette or to play around in a sandbox - choose Linsux. Fuck, I was hoping this freetards can put on some serious discussion, turns out their arguments are as solid as the software they use. If at any time your posts don't expose them enough, their responses finish the job. It's worse than a cult.

wingrunr21 said...

No, I have never tried IntelliJ Idea. I have actually never even heard of it. Thanks for the (albeit a bit hostile) recommendation. I will give it a try.

What proprietary FTP clients are you speaking of that are superior to Filezilla and in what ways are they superior? The FTP client in Dreamweaver sure as heck isn't as good.

I do a lot of web development and find it easier to simply upload my scripts to the target server rather than testing them locally. Thus I use Filezilla a lot. Just because you rarely use it does not make it a poor piece of software.

I am not a "open source software all the way " champion nor am I a "open source software blows" kind of guy. I will use what works for me and seems to be of high quality. Apache, Firefox, MySQL, and PHP are all open source projects that are at least equal to their commercial counterparts.

patrys said...

Despite being a Linux-based developer I am a huge fan of this blog. The comments on the other hand tend to show that there are as many FOSS zealots as there are Windows zealots. A computer is just a tool and your software of choice is just another tool. It's not like it's going to rape your mom. People, calm down, all kinds of zealots are equally annoying. What makes LH so much better than the rest of you is that at least most of the time he's right.

Anonymous said...

Let's not forget the first line of defense for the Linux zealot

Windows is "full of viruses and spyware" and is "unstable" and "crashes all the time"

Apparently none of them have used Windows in the last 8 years. 2000 is a rock, and I reboot XP when *I* want to - my desktop system runs for months and my servers get rebooted even less often.

And, as for the viral hordes, I see maybe 3 or 4 a YEAR logged in my console, and that covers a few hundred clients. Oh, and those weren't exactly shit-my-pants-with-worry level infections.

No, the biggest threat to Linux is, always was, and always will be the evangelical Linux user. They turn me right off, and this is an OS that I *want* to use and like - even if the apps aren't polished and the main claim to fame these days is that desktop effects in Linux are better than in Vista...real profoundly important feature, that :P

Anyway. Your blog is refreshing in a world where people seem to be afraid to say anything bad about FOSS, no doubt in fear of being burnt at the stake (virtually).

The main problem with desktop linux, other than the fragmentation as everyone tries to reinvent the wheel in a world of self-sealing steel-belted tubeless radial tyres, is lack of a real vision of what it wants to be (other than free).

..and lack of serious corporate backing for anything but server side installations.

Anonymous said...

//No, the biggest threat to Linux is, always was, and always will be the evangelical Linux user.//

The biggest threat to Linux isn't its users, but the results the FOSS model produces - there are very little of them.

Do you remember the Mac zealots, and the scorn they where given, until Apple actually produced goods that people actually wanted to use? like the iPod, iPhone, the iLife suit, garage band, etc?

At the end of the day, all that matters are the results. Nothing more, nothing less.

Anonymous said...

With Adsense you can't talk about your ads, so I was sure they were going to ban you.

Why don't you use Amazon's wishlist?
Or write a book and try to sell it through Lulu.com.

Anonymous said...

MySQL is crap compared to Oracle,
especially the analysis tools (MySQL got none).
PHP got enough criticism, you can Google for it.
7zip is nice, I like it and use it, but WinRAR is faster by far.

Ftp clients:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_FTP_clients
cuteFTP, as far as I remember, is considered the best.

Apache - maybe, it's certainly not the best for all tasks:
http://www.litespeedtech.com/performance-benchmarks.html
http://news.netcraft.com/

In short - there's some successful mediocre open source projects out there.

DanaKil said...

"Your blog is full of crap, and it's popular the same way Britney Spears is popular. For being a lousy whore that's easy to get the masses to buy into."

I love this one !

Anonymous said...

Linux is popular in the same way Britney Spears is popular:
It's such miserable train wreck, that most of can't help but point and laugh.

Anonymous said...

After using Windows Server for a few months now, I'd take IIS8/ASP.net/MS SQL Server over Apache/PHP/MySQL any day.

Anonymous said...

Why do idiots assume that anyone posting anonymously is a freetard? Or that anyone posting comments critical of this stupid blog is a freetard? That's no better than assuming that anyone criticizing Linux thinks Windows is perfect or is being paid off for their comments.

Anonymous said...

Blogger thecodewitch said...

"Whinge, whinge, whinge ..."

Fuck off Bill, find something useful to do in your retirement :-)

Anonymous said...

This is the Geek equivalent of Stuff White People Like. Its sheer genius. When is your book coming out?

Picking on superficial San Fransisco, NY, or Seattle dwellers and Linux Fanbois is like shooting fish in a barrel.

You may also want to consider a contest for fan submitted articles. The result at SWPL was off the charts.

More power to you.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Horatio_Hellpop said...

@anonymous

Why do these freetard lusers constantly post anonymously?


And "Horatio Hellpop" is *your* real name ??? Arsewipe.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

2000 is a rock, and I reboot XP when *I* want to - my desktop system runs for months and my servers get rebooted even less often.

And, as for the viral hordes, I see maybe 3 or 4 a YEAR logged in my console, and that covers a few hundred clients. Oh, and those weren't exactly shit-my-pants-with-worry level infections.
------

Bollocks. You're a lying scumbag Linus.

makkus said...
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Anonymous said...

WOw! He does his job and therefore earns money! He earns money and therefore he does his job perfectly! OMG! Didn't really get that subtle "ad" allusion, did you freaking freetard morons?

makkus said...
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Anonymous said...

The only people who enjoy Linux seems to be either preteens, high schoolers, or sysadmins..
The easily excitable, and the technicians of the computer world.

Nice going, freetard.
If you're a sysadmin, and you like an OS because it's making your job easier, than you're a fucking moron.
An OS or product is only good if it makes your users happy, even if it means more work to you, because your single purpose in your professional life is to make your users happy.

Now go fix my damn outlook, you fucking freetard

makkus said...

Sure Linux has its faults and plenty of them, but I fail to see why this is not the case for every other OS on the market. But maybe somebody can enlighten me what is so much better about iTunes then rhythmbox, which I find cleaner GUI wise and better suitable for my music collection. Or where Deluge, Transmission fails epic against other, closed source bittorrent clients. And when you're at it do the same about Brasero, which frankly I find a bliss to use against that big bloated POS called Nero, for got sake it is just burning CD's or why Firefox 3 is so much worse then Safari or IE 7. I fail to see it.

Using Linux for over nine years exclusively at home and where it is needed at work, it beats everything as file/DICOM,backup,printer,web and a lot of other server tasks and is a bliss for batch processing thousands of patients, thanks to scriptable executables. This in conjuncture with Mac OSX (only for the great medical viewer (open-source mind you) Osirix which I can extend unlike any other closed source viewer I've used which cost thousands of euros. Together with Windows as desktop for my users (who don't know or care that the grunt of the data crunching is running in the background on Linux servers) but don't complain because it works. As long as they can run Word, Excell, Powerpoint, SPSS and the tools written for publishing their data and I use the OS and tools I think fits the job to process the data. I think that 90% of the tools I use for data processing are open-source and 90% of the tools for publishing the data are closed source so don't tell me which is better, it all depends. Sure I could only use closed source exlusively if I had a budget 10/20 times the one I have now and the I doubt it would be faster then the current setup.

Honestly, I work more then twenty years facilitating research at a University Hospital, I've used VMS, Solaris, Linux, old Apple OS and OSX and all version of Windows and I have enough reasons to hate every single OS I've used. I never used a OS which hadn't its own big faults, but maybe that is what is separating you from me, I see them and use them as tools to get a job done and if they fail or something better comes along, as was with the beyond imagine expansive SUN SPARC and SGI workstation when NVidia came along and a €2000 white box with Red Hat would run circles around a Ultra 30 0r Indy ten times the price running the same own written image processing software, I ditched them in a second and reduced the needed budget without losing performance and quality.

Open source rules, the bunch of you are pathetic!

Anonymous said...

The sysadmin freetard comment refers to the deleted comment above.
You fucking coward, go cower in yours mum basement.

Bodhibuilder said...

@makkus
1. What about a portable, flexible and lightweight audioplayer like foobar2000? No such thing on Linsux, only stuff straightforwardly imitating iTunes: Rhythmbox, Listen, Exaile, Amarok.
2. What about a pain free video-player like K-Lite Media Player Classic or Subedit, where I can do such obvious things as modifying the controls (so I can just doubleclick on a movie to make it fullscreen instead of pressing ctrl+F) and changing seek time, and where sound follows vision without delay, and which handle txt subtitles without much hassle. Couldn't find that on Linsux.
3. Why Firefox is so much worse than Opera? Goddam it it takes ages to start, forgots to save tabs from time to time, and when you emulate all the useful features Opera has from the start by means of extensions the thing becomes so overbloated you can just go make yourself a cuppa once you start it.

Come on, first two are basic software, why can't anybody make it decent under Linsux. Isn't it ironic that there is better FOSS for Windows than Linsux? Isn't that an indication of what FOSS is best suited for: Small, useful, lightweight software not some revolutionary projects that come out stillborn anyway. That's what attracted me to Linsux in the first place. I thought, if these small apps are so cool and elegant in their simplicity, the whole OS must be amazing. It took me some time to realise that what works on small is not guaranteed to work on a large one. And this whole "We're almost there, hold on, we need you, don't back down" propaganda doesn't help to realize the truth. Your blog sure does.

makkus said...

@Bodhibuilder

First you mentioned great tools no doubt about it. but...

1) I happen to like Rhythmbox which was indeed a clone of iTunes but unlike its ancestor stayed lightweight and didn't try to include everything and the kitchensink. It is now mature and stayed true to its philosophy by staying lean an clean, and if you want more you can use plugins, I will come back to this plugin thing. I find Rhythmbox very easy for searching my music datbase and building playlists, playing Radio or Last.fm streams and it doesn't crash on me. I used foobar and I liked Rhythmbox better.

2. Sorry, I don't have a problem with my movie players, I use Totem for viewing of avi,divx etc and vlc for dvd and maybe I have low expectations but I don't know what I would wanting more except using one tool instead of two. I'm only glad that Totem also doesn't want to include everything and the kitchensink, a habit I really disgust in software, no matter if it is open or closed source, after a few years they starting to add features just for the features.

3) That brings me to your puzzling liking of Opera, first saying you like simple tools and then praising Opera for its completeness. Sorry, I like software simple and choosing what I want to include, So I love plugins ans I love Firefox, especially in version 3. I use a Lenovo T61p as my main machine and for desktop use (with Firefox) it runs around 12% of my 4Gb memory, if I compare this with my OSX and Windows XP/Vista machines at work this is very lean. And I don't see the slowness you're mentioning

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jjss said...

@Bodhibuilder

2. What about Mplayer? and the excellent gui for it: SMplayer? You just install it and it plays pretty much everything out there, with superb subtitle support.

About the rest I agree...

Bodhibuilder said...

@makkus
1. I myself cannot get used to this iTunes interface. Labeling is a bitch and I get all my music mixed up. I prefer executable playlist files in album folders.
2. For both totem and vlc I get occassional audio delay that I have never experienced on MPC and Subedit. Totem's seek time is something like 15-20 seconds (when at most I need 5) and it goes crazy if you perform several seeks one after another. Not even a bit configurable. VLC is okay as a secondary player for shit nothing else will play but sucks as a main player: still in beta, audio delays and is horrible at displaying subtitles.
3. The whole point is that Opera with all its features is faster and lighter than Firefox with none! I never used Opera's RSS, mail and Bittorent clients but love the other ones like speed dial, tab preview, compact interface and session management, and customizable search engines. In Firefox where you can "choose" what you like, when I install addons that give me the Opera functionality the browser becomes unbearably slow (especially the new 3.0). Checking for installed components, updates and lack of code integration and optimisation of individual plugins considerably slow things down. But yeah, hooray for choice and freedom.

Bodhibuilder said...

@jjss
They both suck and lack basic key configuration.

jjss said...

@Bodhibuilder

Do you still get audio delay and sub problems with mplayer?

Bodhibuilder said...

@jjss
What is this, an Ubuntu forum? I don't have problems with mplayer because I don't fucking use it!

makkus said...

Funny that I'm called a freetard sysadmin only because I see the advantage of writing software which use batch processing instead of the repeatative task of clicking ten thousand times, but then I guess people like moronic anonymous only see things as something good if it has a shiny GUI and it cost lots of cash, he probably loves his pirated Photoshop.

But he mentioned happy users, I bought a couple of 24 inch iMacs for viewing using the open-source application Osirix and ditched Windows workstations with a couple of thousands euros of software like E-Film, Viewforum, etc. All that expensive software was a pain the ass because it was closed source, I couldn't add own features, which is nessecary if you're in research. Sure I could use matlab and/or IDL and build viewers from scratch, but having a great Medical Viewer supported by a large community is so much better and faster, and the users are happy, but I think even if the software stinked they would be happy, because of shiny shine 24 inch iMac hardware. So open-source on shiny hardware beats the crap out of windows and closed source applications.

People are so predictable you to anonymous moron!

makkus said...

@Bodhibuilder

I don't have the problems you have and certainly not the slowness. But that is why choise is great. By the way, I use easytag for labelling, I guess I like tools who do one job an do it well.

Again I don't think that Linux doesn't have any problem, far from it, there is for example no good sound or movie editor, they are all failing and/or crashing or lacking major features. but beside of this I don't encounter much more problems then when using Windows and I think that the most people have these problem no matter what OS, only they have people like me who fix them for them.

Anonymous said...

How can you decide which one of two option is good?
With zero knowledge, you'll pick the prettier one, that's only human.

User are above all, since they are the reason software exists; all developers are users, most users are not developers.
If your grandmother enjoys (rather than tolerate) using product X, it means you'll probably like it too, since it is well designed.

"Beauty is truth, and truth is beauty"
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freetards!

Anonymous said...

@makkus the freetard
There are whole classes of applications that FOSS does not support. It's an extremely large problem, automatically turn your Linux users into unhappy ones.

makkus said...

@anonymous the moron with a reading problem, I know, you cunt! But again I fail to see that the other Operating Sytems on the market don't the same problem. If I look around my circle of friends an the frequency they call me to fix their problems I can't say that they have a easy ride. Software is fucked up no matter what.

Anonymous said...

Hey all you anonymous hat cunt fucking posters! You suck! I thing you are running Linux and somehow your browser doesn't support the radiobuttons to select your identity!

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Anonymous said...

When are you going to start the Google hater's blog? I'm now hearing all the same bullcrap about Google taking over the world that I remember hearing about Linux circa 1998.

-- Recovering Luser

blackbelt_jones said...

Anonymous said...

Eclipse is actually quite good as an IDE (especially v3.4).

The only problem with it:
It's slow as shit memory hog, like the rest of the FOSS stack.

FOSS is DEAD DEAD DEAD.
I hate you all, pompous shit spanning losers! You have close to nothing to show off, and everything you do is third rate, losing, desperate attempts at relevancy.

FOSS is the most pathetic movement out there, and if it wasn't for your zealots, who manage to annoy the hell out of every fucking one, it would have gone to it's demise far sooner.

Will you all kill yourselves, or merely do us all the favor of shutting up, and never mentioning your shit software and stupid ideology ever again?

Pathetic lusers, cut your veins today!


We will bury you.

Anonymous said...

" only because I see the advantage of writing software which use batch processing instead of the repeatative task of clicking ten thousand times, "

Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but windows provides facilities for writing and running scripts...

"All that expensive software was a pain the ass because it was closed source, I couldn't add own features, which is nessecary if you're in research"

Lots of software nowadays is built with an api...and sometimes there is an extension framework to further encourage integration into the app.


PS the captcha I got fails really bad. I'm pretty sure plain old OCR could recognize it.

blackbelt_jones said...

And why is there a HOWTO on linux advocacy? Why is there even such a thing as linux advocacy? Who are you trying to convince? I thought you didn't need users.

Well, you know that the "We don't need users" guy doesn't speak for the whole Linux community, right? In fact, he's no longer with KDE. He resigned to spend more time with his imaginary family.

As for "Why is there Linux Advocacy?" I think I have an answer. Fuck you! That's why.

blackbelt_jones said...

Anonymous said...

I love you Linuxhater! You should do some t-shirts - seriously! ..

We must let the world know that the emperor is naked.


"The emperor?" Linux has around one per cent of the desktop market. This is like when the Republican Party did a promo film based on Star Wars portraying the Democrats as the Empire and themselves as the rebel alliance. We're all living on Planet Microsoft, and this feeling you have that a tiny minority is somehow dominating and suppressing you is classic paranoia.

blackbelt_jones said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's not forget the first line of defense for the Linux zealot

Windows is "full of viruses and spyware" and is "unstable" and "crashes all the time"

Apparently none of them have used Windows in the last 8 years. 2000 is a rock, and I reboot XP when *I* want to - my desktop system runs for months and my servers get rebooted even less often.

And, as for the viral hordes, I see maybe 3 or 4 a YEAR logged in my console, and that covers a few hundred clients. Oh, and those weren't exactly shit-my-pants-with-worry level infections.


So having to deal with 3 or 4 viruses a year isn't a big deal when, elsewhere on this blog, this guy is fussing over the inconvenience of having to find out what a "cookie" is?

The real issue isn't the viruses anyway, in my opinion, it's that disruptive, annoying anti-viral software that stops everything twice a minute to ask for permission, and all the resources that have to be devoted to keeping your windows system secure.

It's true, I haven't run Norton Antivirus in years, has it gotten to be any less of a pain in the ass? If so, congratulations, I really do think that's great. High fives all around.

blackbelt_jones said...

Apparently none of them have used Windows in the last 8 years. 2000 is a rock, and I reboot XP when *I* want to - my desktop system runs for months and my servers get rebooted even less often.

Hmmmm... So Microsoft hasn't released anything since XP? I get the funny feeling you're leaving something out.

blackbelt_jones said...

Anyways, guys, I think you lost my grandma like 20 minutes ago. She's like, over there knitting or something. You had your chance.

You should hear what my 70 year old mother had to say about her new Vista setup! SLast time I called, she couldn't get it to work at all.

Steve Tose said...

Wow your grandma's totally into tech. My grandmas don't know what Linux is and haven't even asked me about which DE to use. KDE like totally called her a corner case. You must be totally pissed. I remember when I knew enough to ask what KDE was and somehow knew what Unix, workstation, network, transparent and all sorts of other words meant. I'd call you a jackass but your blog is called Linux Haters so I kind of got what I deserved by coming here. No complaints.

Anonymous said...

I work at an ISP and we use Linux exclusively for mail servers and have both Windows and Linux web servers.

There really is no need for such hate against an OS. It is an option, you don't have to pick it. I use both whenever I feel I can do the job better and/or faster on either one. They are all tools to get a job done. You constantly bitch about "wasting your time" configuring Linux, well how much time do you waste bitching about wasting your time on Linux? Just fucking stop using it then and shut the fuck up. Get a life.

Anonymous said...

> > The UNIX operating system is according to us the best available today. When it comes to stability, scalability and openness UNIX has no competition.
> Wow. According to the rest of the world, you have no idea what you're talking about.


OK, there's also OS/400, zOS, and so on, but have you ever seen a large computer running Windows?

(And of course these guys most certainly didn't mean AT&T UNIX, but AIX, Solaris, GNU/Linux, the BSDs, etc.; so, "UNIX-like platforms" would've been a better term.)

Having worked with various operating systems for decades, I can confirm at least that UNIX-like systems are generally more stable than Windows, if used correctly. Personally, I prefer OpenBSD to Linux, however, because it never goes awry all by itself.

For alternatives to the "UNIX way" of doing things and the "Windows way" of doing things, people should have a look at other alternatives, like BeOS/Haiku, AmigaOS, MorphOS and AROS, which also have quite a following. And there's many more ...

Anonymous said...

"Google banned my ads!"

HaHA, pwnED! Guess google doesn't like hating haters like YOU, hater!

Anonymous said...

FWIW, MacOS and Windows weren't TCP/IP capable until long after the birth of the Internet. UNIX was and for the most part still is the backbone of the Internet.

Your rants are great and spot on 70% of the time. Some simple fact-checking could go a long way to improving the quality of your posts. Keep up the good work!

Wisdom is what you learn after making mistakes :)

Anonymous said...

Kinda late but thecodewitch is right KDE's statusbar is kinds shitty plus the what do you call that thing below the the screen? is it bar? panel? it's kinda big it's eating too much space though you can change it but why oh why the default size is kinda big? Is it because it works for you?

KDE's devs are trying to emulate the OS X and Windows at the same time. If you ask me it looks like Frankenstein to me. This is just my opinion ( yeah my opinion sucks well it works for me lol ) I think KDE's devs are like a bunch of Windows Users/Developers who loves to own or create their own OS X and since Linux is open source they made a shitful of crap out of Linux and that is KDE.

Luser said...

It's funny how people don't seem to get it.
You have a bunch of lusers crying because you're posting unwanted observations about their OS, and then on the the other side, you've got proprietary-software lovers (usually Windows users (wusers?)) knocking anyone who says anything positive about Linux.

Come on. There are things that Windows does much better than Linux, and there are things that Linux does much better than Windows. All a wuser needs to say to a luser is "Games", and the luser will shut up. All the luser has to say is "Free as in beer". And then you have the wuser saying "Free as in beer too". (How many people really pay for it anyway?)

For me it mainly came down to
1. cost (I wanted to give up being a pirate, so Windows wasn't free as in beer)
2. virus/malware (I had Norton installed... yeah I don't know why I willingly paid for and installed malware posing as anti-virus, but I did)

So I chose Linux. Not because I loved it. Not because it was "oh so much better". It was free (don't care about the Libre kind that much). I didn't have time for games anymore. (have a family now, and I have an xbox anyway) It had all the tools I needed for work (PHP web-development with Eclipse), and did enough of the extras (music + video) to keep me happy.

So yeah, I'm a luser. Maybe a freetard too, but I don't usually run around advocating it, other than saying "works for me". Are there things that bug me? Sure. A lot of things, actually. But I use it because it does what I need it to do, and it isn't costing me anything. Does it need polish? Absolutely! I think what KDE did with KDE4 was a good move. They realized that KDE3.5 was crap (my words, not theirs), and rewrote it. Not sure if 4 is better, but at least it looks much better :-) Crystal was such an ugly theme... I remember installing KDE3.5 and after I saw the utterly disorganized "start" menu, I went running back to Gnome.

I know this isn't the WindowsHater's blog, but I need to vent just a little here too. Installing Windows XP on newer hardware is a major pain.
1. It doesn't support SATA drives, and you need to supply drivers on floppy. Oh wait, my computer doesn't have a floppy drive...
2. After getting everything installed, I have supposedly 6 minutes to patch the computer before it gets haxored... Start downloading updates... oh wait, I need to update the updater to download the necessary updates I need, and it'll take a couple hours to download and install... What? I could have slipstreamed the updates onto a new install cd?? Ugh, but the instructions are too long... as is this comment.

Luser

Harish said...

Aaaaah now all is suddenly clear. So you are trying to make money out of this, by selling merchandise. So you have an interest in stirring as much noise as you can so as to increase

Its back again ! The famous Marxist-Linuxist ideology ! Making money , making money , making money...why the fuck don't you go and live in a forest and live off the wild berries ? Why do you come to this civilized world and trouble us you Stallmanist dog !!!

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