Saturday, August 16, 2008

Rants and Laughs

Olympics are still going on, and the day job is a tad busy these days (don't worry! it'll calm down soon enough). Maybe I should give it up and move back into my mom's basement and work on free software.

Anyways, looks like you guys are still finding the good stuff out there, so here's another bunch of links:


94 flames:

Anonymous said...

yay

Anonymous said...

That can't install "Firefox without upgrading my OS post is hilarious".

For ages lusers have been ranting about how 'building the browser into the OS was a big mistake'.

And actually it underlines the fact that there's no such thing as 'Linux', Linux's <1% market share is split into dozens of OSs, two window managers and literally thousands of combinations of library versions.

Good luck trying to writing apps or drivers and testing them on all of those.

Maht said...

Ed Ropple can't code.

Haha firefox guy doesn't know how to do upgrade testing !

Anonymous said...

Linux is a big mess.

Ordinary users can't upgrade their browser and firefox get's the blame.

I know why proprietary software is never ported to Linux; they don't want to deal with ignorant lusers spreading lies about their software.

Maht said...

Lol at poor Paul Venezia.

Hey Paul, they tried a POSIX kernel already and guess what : you're running it!!

The Unix kernel is a bloated pile of turd, and like Windows is doing now it will implode under its own weight.

317 syscalls!

http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au/lxr/source/include/asm-i386/unistd.h

Frank said...

Mozilla is evil because 1% of the Linux users can't/won't upgrade their outdated distributions? Cry me a river.

(Btw, isn't one of the major selling points Linux users like to quote how distribution updates are always quick and painless?)

Anonymous said...

That Firefox incident might be what makes him see the light.

Yes, freetard, people want to be able to get the latest versions of the apps while keeping the same OS. That's the whole fucking point and why nobody sane bothers with Linux.

It's amazing how freetards are unable to grasp this simple concept.

Anonymous said...

* I can't use Linux because I'm addicted to porn. Man if you think getting porn on Linux is too easy, then just wait until you get to Windows. You can actually watch all that WMV shit out there too. And you'll be able to hear the sound.

Errm.. you have absolutely no clue what you're doing. Sound works fine on every distro i've used and i've never had any problems (i've been using *nix for 3 years now)

* The DNA lounge has had some trouble with Linux sound in the past. Also noticed by Jeff Atwood.

Oh so one person has problems, that must mean the world has problems, right? :>

You may have noticed that the audio archives have only had one channel for the last few weeks. You would probably assume that's a simple matter of replacing a cable; turns out, not. As far as we can tell, the audio going into the computer is stereo, and somewhere in there, it drops (most of) the right channel. So, bad connector, right? No, we've tried four different sound cards, and checked the mixer settings. At this point it seems like the last time we (accidentally) upgraded ALSA, it introduced some software bug that is making one channel go away. I can't even fathom how such a bug could exist, but that's Linux for you.

That's retarded, and whatever distro he was using either failed, or HE failed (most likely).. ALSA has always worked for me on Debian, Ubuntu, Arch and *BSD.

* Free Software Magazine says market share is not important. Wow, if that's not moving the goal post, then I don't know what is.

Get a life. >.>


* Remember the Foxconn BIOS scandal? Well apparently the fix is out. And it's one line of code. Lusers have really out-done themselves this time. A true congratulations is in order. You are the Michael Phelps of lusers.

Lusers? You need a fucking life -.-

* First part of an uber rant by Ed Ropple.
* FSM again on Microsoft trying to kill Apache. Dude, seriously guys, if Microsoft throwing $100K at you guys makes you shit your pants this bad, you are seriously fucked.

Never happen.
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* Let's blame Firefox for not supporting old distros. Actually, no, lets blame distros for making it so hard to ship software on them. Actually no, lets blame upstream for constant churn. Actually no, lets just ignore the problem and write clueless blog posts.

Like the one's you've been writing since you started blogging? I doubt it was the distro that firefox failed in anyway.. probably the hardware.. that's the users fault, not firefox's.. why shouldn't firefox keep up with the times? You're just a moron.

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Not even commenting on the rest.. You're a sick fuck windows fanboi..

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Get a fucking life -- seriously.. go get a girlfriend or something.

Anonymous said...

WMV porn works fine nowadays, I thought it was Silverlight Porn we would have to live without for a long time to come.

We already have to live without the olympics: http://jeffreystedfast.blogspot.com/2008/08/moonlighting-olympics.html - choice quote: "unfortunately Moonlight isn't quite ready to view this content". I expect to see THAT particular line often in the future.

.net jerkface said...

I can't believe an IBM exec said this:

IBM also believes there's an opportunity for the open source community to build industry-specific applications that would run on Linux. "I'm getting tired of waiting," Sutor said of the lack of such software.

Open-source business software should be appealing to developers who believe all software should be free, something that Sutor didn't believe would happen anytime soon. "Prove me wrong."


Yea what a surprise that open-source developers are not lining up to create industry specific software. They can't find enough people to work on KDE and he is wondering why no one is creating and giving away something like medical software.

Then he says: Prove me wrong.
Yea, go create some software for the agricultural industry to prove some douche wrong. Go work a year on some soil analysis software and give it away.

He's getting tired of waiting you guys, so you better start soon.

paul said...

Like the one's you've been writing since you started blogging? I doubt it was the distro that firefox failed in anyway.. probably the hardware.. that's the users fault, not firefox's.. why shouldn't firefox keep up with the times? You're just a moron.

It's a hardware issue when Firefox wants a newer version of GTK+? Brilliant, luser.

I love hearing 20 different iterations of "Works for me!TM" and "You don't need to use it anyway!TM" in these lame responses.

Bottom line: You shouldn't need to upgrade an entire operating system to install a frickin' WEB BROWSER.

Is it me, or is desktop Linux actually getting harder and harder to manage?

Matt House said...

@anonymous

you do know that DNALounge is run by Jamie Zawinski right? you know, the guy that practicly fucking wrote Netscape for UNIX.

I think he just might know what he's talking about a bit more than you.

julian67 said...

Ed Ropple's articles are the most interesting of the lot, but definitely not a rant.

Some guy uses Fedora two years ago and has a problem which he resolves. Hold the front page.

Alsa is OK, not perfect, maybe not as good as OSS could have been and maybe not as good as pulse audio might become, and probably not as good as audio subsystems on competing OS's but it does actually work. Fedora on the other hand often doesn't and anyone doing anything their livelihood depends on should run a mile from any distribution which values experimental software over stability.

IBM are tired of waiting for industry specific software. Last time I looked IBM were quite a big software company. They could hire people to do it. Some people don't like Novell's & Red Hat's attitudes towards software patents but one thing they are both good at is identifying areas that are lacking (and impact on their business) and pouring resources into them until they have the free or non-free software they want and need for their enterprise customers. This might be in-house development, sponsoring community development or it might be via acquisitions but what you don't hear is Red Hat or Novell execs moaning about it, probably because it makes them a good profit. IBM should take note.

Firefox: Firefox 3 arrived on my desktop via the package manager, no change of distribution version necessary. Me am klevuh.

WMV, audio and "educational" videos:

WorksForMe(™). WMV playback isn't a problem unless you pay for your "educational" videos and they're DRM'd. The linked porn thread is actually pretty funny though. If the pr0n obsessed protagonist stopped jerking off and started using his brain instead of his dick he'd soon realise that dansguardian is indeed free software and there are lots of easy to follow guides on setting it up.

FSM's article about Microsoft's donation to Apache is a really shitty piece of journalism. I often find FSM pretty good but it does sometimes publish utter crap. The author states:

"Microsoft are now free to take Apache source code and proceed to amend, tweak or customise it to the point of what Bruce Perens has called “engineered incompatibility” At that point Microsoft could repeat the successful disaster of bundling Internet Explorer with Windows, only this time it would be Apache and with all the attendant broken web standards that tormented web developers—but this time on the server instead of the desktop."

What he fails to realise is that if this is possible then MS can do it anyway, and always could. Nobody has to make a donation to Apache to use, modify and distribute/not distribute the code or any modified code. The license allows Apache's code to be incorporated into proprietary software. It's not a copyleft license. He also equates bundling IE and subverting W3C standards to the potential bundling of Apache but seems not to have noticed that MS fully owns and controls IE whereas they can't exercise exclusive control over the source code of Apache, only their version of it.

He's an idiot uses the kind of hack phraseology which would embarrass even a teenage marxist. "Thanks to their bloated coffers, funded by the hated Microsoft tax.." "Gates and Ballmer have always reserved their most vitriolic bile for the GPL" "The Recidivists of Microsoft should not be given the indefinite benefit of the doubt." I don't care if any of this is true or not, I just don't want to read such unimaginative and clumsy drivel.

Anonymous said...

Yay lotsa medals..

Oh sorry.. we're still disembowling some lusers now?

As far as I can see it, fossware is the basement circle-jerk hobby that lusers do to spend their "valuable" time.. Nothing to be taken seriously

foss, linux, gnub... quit wasting your time

Anonymous said...

"I can't use Linux because I'm addicted to porn. "

LOL - I'll use this excuse when someone ask me about Linux.

Anonymous said...

The FSM/Apache article was especially moronic. He states that MS is going after the 49% market share of Apache. What he fails to mention is that Apache used to have a much LARGER market share than that and has been eroding for years, probably because of Microsoft's Active Server Page technology.

Mr. Sororate said...

I don't understand why anyone would use their time on Earth to bash something and not use it?

sounds like you have way too much time while using your mom's computer in that basement in her house.

get a life.

bic said...

* Free Software Magazine says market share is not important. Wow, if that's not moving the goal post, then I don't know what is.

Get a life. >.>


Ah the typical Linux Fanboy Rebuttal of Last Resort: if you can't come up with a fitting response, sling personal insults. NEVER admit defeat.

* Remember the Foxconn BIOS scandal? Well apparently the fix is out. And it's one line of code. Lusers have really out-done themselves this time. A true congratulations is in order. You are the Michael Phelps of lusers.

Lusers? You need a fucking life -.-


Exhibit B of the LFRLR.

* FSM again on Microsoft trying to kill Apache. Dude, seriously guys, if Microsoft throwing $100K at you guys makes you shit your pants this bad, you are seriously fucked.

Never happen.


What? Microsoft never gave Apache $100M? They never wrote that article? You never shit your pants?

* Let's blame Firefox for not supporting old distros. Actually, no, lets blame distros for making it so hard to ship software on them. Actually no, lets blame upstream for constant churn. Actually no, lets just ignore the problem and write clueless blog posts.

Like the one's you've been writing since you started blogging? I doubt it was the distro that firefox failed in anyway.. probably the hardware.. that's the users fault, not firefox's.. why shouldn't firefox keep up with the times? You're just a moron.


Another LFRLR example! Thanks for making an exhibit of youself.

Not even commenting on the rest.. You're a sick fuck windows fanboi..

><

Get a fucking life -- seriously.. go get a girlfriend or something.


Nobody here is going to back up your pants-on-head-retarded shit-slinging unless you being some concrete evidence to the table.

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As a side note, the "waah I can't upgrade Firefox blame Mozilla!!!" article is hilarious. The newest stable version of GTK+ is 2.12, according to their official website.

http://www.gtk.org/download-linux.html

Chances are they did use the oldest version they were comfortable implementing. Who knows, maybe some system call they needed was changed between 2.8 and 2.10.

I thought the "best" part of Linux was that you'd always have a completely up to date computer no matter what. That's what happens when you don't upgrade your system every 6 months, I guess.

In the meantime, I'll run most XP SP1 compatible programs on Windows 2000 SP4, and even a few on NT 4 SP 6.

Anonymous said...

The Foxconn post: "The issue is that the BIOS assumes that the WAK_STS register will be cleared by the OS on resume. Linux doesn't do that"

Let's re-write it better...

"The issue is that the BIOS assumes that the WAK_STS register will be cleared by the Windows on resume. Linux doesn't do that"

Why? Because Linux told the BIOS it was Windows. It then didn't do what Windows does. It then shat itself. Then we get a bunch of freetard lusers who don't know what they're on about crying conspiracy about BIOS manufacturers, Foxconn, Microsoft, etc... etc...

Frank said...

Linux Hater: If you want to read some great freetard faggotry or kill some brain cells or both, have a look at Ryan's Tech Blog - the blog of the guy behind the Foxconn story.

You'll enjoy the mudslinging between him and Matthew Garrett I'm sure.

Anonymous said...

Oh so one person has problems, that must mean the world has problems, right? :>

And because it works for one person, it must work for everyone, right? Don't use this line of reasoning if you're going to play the WorksForMe(); card.

That's retarded, and whatever distro he was using either failed, or HE failed (most likely)

Right, always the user's fault.

.. ALSA has always worked for me on Debian, Ubuntu, Arch

WorksForMe(); Fail.

and *BSD.

I call bullshit. ALSA on BSD? You're not even trying, ALSA, by design is Linux-specific, the BSDs (aside from OS X) use the actual Unix sound standard, OSS. Unless you're being extra lame and running it via the Linuxulator on FreeBSD.

Get a life. >.>

What, can't actually offering anything worthwhile to answer with? Make shit up, you've been doing an okay job at it insofar, no need to resort to ad hominem...

Lusers? You need a fucking life -.-

And you need a new one-liner. It wasn't clever the first time, it isn't the second time either.

Never happen.

Yes, it did, actually. Google it.

I doubt it was the distro that firefox failed in anyway..

The complaint is that the distro doesn't ship the newer libraries, and hasn't backported them, so it's... Not the distro's fault. Riiight. We'll pretend that makes sense.

probably the hardware..

Right, missing libraries is a hardware problem. It all makes perfect sense, now.

that's the users fault, not firefox's..

Isn't it always?

why shouldn't firefox keep up with the times?

Nobody (here) said it shouldn't.

You're just a moron.

Glorious! An ad hominem hatrick! And it's even a different one this time! Amusingly enough, you're whining at and attacking LH over the content in a blog he linked to, you win at the intarweb, but you fail at reading comprehension.

Not even commenting on the rest..

I for one, appreciate the gesture, there's only so much clueless, misdirected gibberish one can handle this early in the morning <3

You're a sick fuck windows fanboi..

Either that, or a Microsoft shill, obviously. Note, however, that you're the only one to have brought up Windows.

Get a fucking life -- seriously.. go get a girlfriend or something.

How fantastically FOSS of you, even your ad hominem are a copy of a copy of a copy.

Anonymous said...

You can simply grab Linux Firefox, extract it to a folder then run it within that folder without installing anything.

There is Zero Install and Autopackage as well.

I have no issues watching MPEG or WMV porn or other content from Linux. WMV DRM doesn't work on Linux but can work once DRM is stripped with FreeMe2 or FairUse4WM.

Its also possible to install Windows Media Player via Wine.

The Linux audio architecture is a mess, grated. There are too many competing audio libraries and sound servers.

The solution is PulseAudio and implementing support for it in future software releases, which most media-oriented FOSS are doing.

PulseAudio is also cross-platform on Windows, FreeBSD, Linux, and Solaris. NetBSD and OpenBSD are actively porting it as well.

As for writing commercial software, this tool may save us all:

http://www.linux.com/feature/144170

Shun the non-LSB compliant distributions if you will.

S.Ballhax said...

ok, let's choose a nicer topic, even if this is lynux hater:ù
let's talk about Photoshop CS3 install dude, srsly..both mac and windows :)

i wanna hear the uber hater experience on that! ømg græt

r said...

under the fucked-up "linux distribution" model, EVERYTHING is part of the OS for no damn reason at all. I actually CAN NOT EXPLAIN TO LINUX USERS the FreeBSD development model. They just can't grasp ("grok", ho ho ho) it, getting hung up over the ports tree which is just an optional sideshow in the first place.

Anonymous said...

Why freetards fail at debating...

http://tinyurl.com/2gzouf

Anonymous said...

As if Microsoft's employees never donated anything to anyone. It's a big company, ferchristsakes.

ton said...

Damn man why is your site so f*$%king sloooow. Dude tune the performance of this site please. It took around 30 secs just for the homepage to load.

Anonymous said...

ton, are you browsing using Linux? I'm not, and it WorksForMe(TM). Solution: Dump your operating system. Who needs an OS like that anyway?

Anonymous said...

@ton

SiteLoadedFineForMe(tm)!

Try using a better OS!

Anonymous said...

@ton

Exactly. Either get a new computer or start using a real OS.

Oh yeah, "Works for me!"™

Darren said...

Bashing MS is always funny. They contribute money = trying to influence (Apple, Apache). Using without paying = freeloading (BSD TCP stack). Charging money = Microsoft Tax. Not charging money = illegal bundling. Innovating = making proprietary to prevent competition. Not innovating = stagnating the whole web ecosystem. Is there anything Microsoft could do, including making Windows open source, that the FOSS community wouldn't complain about?

Anonymous said...

How true Darren. The thing is freetards are more worried about Microsoft than in making software people actually want to use.

phillip said...

You seem like a nice enough dude, so I won't bother with any insults. But you bring up every luser cliche.

There is Zero Install and Autopackage as well.

You aren't really serious about Zero Install, right? You think it resolves dependency issues? Hate to tell you, Einstein, but Zero Install works ONLY IF YOU HAVE THE NECESSARY LIBRARIES INSTALLED:

http://0install.net/distribution-integration.html

Let me guess: you've actually never used Zero Install but someone else recommended it (currently at a robust version 0.29) and you assume it works perfectly.

I have no issues watching MPEG or WMV porn or other content from Linux.

Brilliant! A twist on WorksForMe™: PornWorksForMe™! Thanks for sharing the info on your pr0n addition, though.

Its also possible to install Windows Media Player via Wine.

As casually as you toss that off, I'm guessing you've never actually installed Wine or relied on it.

The solution is PulseAudio and implementing support for it in future software releases, which most media-oriented FOSS are doing.

Brilliant! The problem will be solved by SoftwareFromTheFuture™. Never mind the problems of today: really, the upcoming software will be so brilliant you'll forget today's issues.

Anonymous said...

Its also possible to install Windows Media Player via Wine.

Running anything on Wine is admitting you need Windows. Running Media Player on Wine is admitting you need Microsoft. Kinda hypocritical, eh?

Anonymous said...

Re: SoftwareFromTheFuture

There was this great story on one of the Dilbert books about how the salespeople at some company screwed up a big sale by promising the customer how the things they were complaining about would actually be included in the "next version" of the software. The customers, of course, decided to wait until the next version.

The lesson is clear for the Linux folks: if I'm telling you I need a certain feature, don't start babbling about how it's gonna be implemented sometime in the future. I mean, that's great: just give me a call when it's actually done and then maybe I'll try your OS, when it doesn what I need it to do.

Anonymous said...

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Open_source

Anonymous said...

you should tell people when your link is NSFW (the encyclopedia dramatica link)

Anonymous said...

Ah yes. The more secure Linux platform: http://www.linux.com/feature/144170

Anonymous said...

EDIT: Ah yes, the more secure Linux platform: http://www.linuxforum.com/forums/index.php/topic,184477.0.html

Anonymous said...

you should tell people when your link is NSFW (the encyclopedia dramatica link)

Noted.

Steve said...

"they don't want to deal with ignorant lusers spreading lies about their software."

Good one dork. Not like Steve Shithead Ballmer never called Linux a "virus".

Fuck you retard,

thecodewitch said...

"they don't want to deal with ignorant lusers spreading lies about their software."

Good one dork. Not like Steve Shithead Ballmer never called Linux a "virus".

Fuck you retard,


Linux IS a virus!

Nothing is better at rendering your expensive, shiny new hardware completely useless than broken code written by bedwetting "look mah!! A rotating icon!" programmer wannabes with emotional problems.

Avoid this shit like the plague it is. I've seen too many good people waste their lives on this OS. It must be stopped.

Anonymous said...

Talk about being dangerously out of touch with the world:

(from Slashdot.org) http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/08/17/0123241.shtml

Summary from article: 'An anonymous reader writes "I am a developer for a medium-sized private technology company getting ready for an IPO. My manager woke up one morning and decided to patent some stuff I did recently. The problem is, I'm strongly opposed to software patents, believing that they are stifling innovation and dragging the technology industry down (see all the frivolous lawsuits reported here on Slashdot!). Now, my concern is: what kind of consequences could I bring on myself for refusing to support the patent process? Has anybody been in a similar position and what was the outcome?"'

thecodewitch said...

This old commenting system is sooo much better than disqus. Thanks for going back LH.

thecodewitch said...

I'm strongly opposed to software patents, believing that they are stifling innovation and dragging the technology industry down (see all the frivolous lawsuits reported here on Slashdot!). Now, my concern is: what kind of consequences could I bring on myself for refusing to support the patent process? Has anybody been in a similar position and what was the outcome?

Translation:

"Halp!! I'm not enough of a douchebag yet! You guys are the biggest stallman accredited douchebags ever, and I have much to learn. Can anyone douche me up?"

What a fucking lemming.

Anonymous said...

Well, people there replied "Yes, idiot, you'll get fired" so I don't think their heads are that far in the clouds to be called Stallman-accredited yet.

But seriously, the vibe I'm getting from FSF now is like they're in some holy war against Big Brother Bill (More like Big Brother Ballmer now) and must crush Microsoft in order to bring balance to the world. Coexistence is not an option. Really, one thing these people could learn is some manners. Treat Microsoft with respect and create communication with them. Who knows, maybe something good will come out of this. Instead they blog about Microsoft's patented subterfuge tactics. Shame.

paul said...

But seriously, the vibe I'm getting from FSF now is like they're in some holy war against Big Brother Bill (More like Big Brother Ballmer now) and must crush Microsoft in order to bring balance to the world. Coexistence is not an option.

Well, they are true believers. But it's also harder to raise money when you don't have an enemy to pose against, and if the FSF didn't have Microsoft they'd need to make one up.

penguinrage said...

so the poster is giving up linux for porn? lmao (the truth might not be lack of web filter but some 'nasty websites' required activexxx :D

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alsa is fine for me(again..) until some dudes decided to create a pile of shit called pulseaudio.

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FSM is full of shit these days I thought everyone knows that...

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I think IBM people should shut the fuck up since linux pays them so their kids can go to school.
(subliminal message: opnsrc aix!)

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Infoworld wow never go there, dump windows for mac yes. dump for linux see how you are going to sync your phone or print your photo...

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firefox on old distro:
dont you know that ubuntu sucks?
RHEL is for server and workstation like running maya...
how about opera? not opensource i get it. lusers...

Anonymous said...

Linux IS a virus!

Nothing is better at rendering your expensive, shiny new hardware completely useless than broken code written by bedwetting "look mah!! A rotating icon!" programmer wannabes with emotional problems.


Holy shit, dude, I've never thought of that. Come to think of it, what makes Linux any different than BonziBuddy?

Anonymous said...

"Linux IS a virus!"

Well, if it is, it's not a very good one. It hasn't done a good job spreading itself. It requires the user to jump through too many hoops to spread it.

Anonymous said...

i think the point ibm was making is "stop copying windows, because its shit".

Anonymous said...

Now, I agree with the whole "Software Patents Suck" thing (see: GIF files). However, I do agree that the particular Slashdot posting bordered epic failure.

Jason Antman said...

"Free Software Magazine says market share is not important. Wow, if that's not moving the goal post, then I don't know what is."

Market share isn't important. It's not a matter of "moving the goal post", It's that in F/OSS, there is no goal post.

F/OSS programmers look at what they do as helping people - helping them have more choices. I'm a volunteer EMT. I don't think that today was a better day because I helped 5 car accident victims, when yesterday I only helped 1. If you do something simply because you think it's right, or good, how many times you've done it seems to matter less than the fact that you've done it, and it felt good.

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