Tuesday, September 2, 2008

Rants and Laughs 4

Got a whole bunch of 'em queued up for you guys tonight.

A reader suggested a cool idea. In honor of the FAIL blog, I will now accept submissions of screenshots of spectacular Linux failures. Maybe direct visual evidence will help free the lusers from their collective trance.

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Anonymous said...

Sorry mate but your blog is getting boring. I used to like your "insight" articles but those new ones are just rubbish :/ At least you could make them more readable - where is your usual funny swearing and hateful remarks ? ;)

Pwnzord said...

While Linux has its problems, don't you have something better to do than flame it? Maybe you could find some GOOD things about WINDOWS instead? Hurt less feelings at least.

BTW - I use a Mac

Anonymous said...

linux hater blog is needed to make linux better

blasdelf said...

An autopackage dev gives up on Linux.

Why the fuck would you want to put libc in /usr/local? It doesn't make any sense at all.

Anonymous said...

Taking screenshots is surely not a trusted source of failures.
Every body can change them...

Anonymous said...

I think that Ryan Farmer guy is funny. In retrospect he was obviously doing it for the lulz. I hope he gets another sockpuppet and continues to torment these subhuman vermin.

Anonymous said...

Screenshots can be doctored, sure, but luckily you have the source so you can verify if the failure is possible or not.

.net jerkface said...

How has this not been mentioned yet?

Why LinuxHater could be a Microsoft front
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/10/linuxhater-alert/

Anonymous said...

Foxconn BIOS was a Issue LHB. Funny enough the main issues causing Linux to fail were also causing windows to malfunction.

So Foxconn has now stated they will do Linux testing. Since Linux will sometimes find faults that should be fixed that windows lets slide past until it uses them. Linux failure is either Linux or Something worse. This case was a mixture of both. The something worse random breaking windows. Yet for some reason windows users did not notice the difference. Now what does that say about expected stability when users keep on using defective hardware.

Snaury said...

Well, as funny as it is, one of the reasons I always feel awkward under Linux is file manager too. It's just not that GUI stuff everyone is so absessed about, what I'm walking about is Far Manager. It because so central in my work flow and so integrated with the rest of my activities that no amount of Midnight Commander or Total Commander clones can replace it. :(

np237 said...

Autopackage... LOL

The autopackage guys being completely clueless, who cares about them dropping anything?

Marco Nadal said...

The post about CrossOver Office by Frank Fox does have a few silly statements:

"I then tried loading Microsoft Office from a backup disk that I'd saved from an old computer. It wasn't an install disk, but all the files needed should have been backed up on the disk. I was faced with immediate trouble. CrossOver was expecting an installer that I don't have."

Poor Frank obviously doesn't understand those hateful windows installers. (no sarcasm intended, dragging an icon to a folder to install an application is the way it SHOULD work, if that's the way it works on a Mac, excellent)

Simply copying the folder might work for most games, but not for MS Office apps. They require libraries and reg entries. What Frank tried to do wouldn't work on a Windows machine, either.

CrossOver is not for games (there's cedega for that, they support Mac) nor is it intended to replace Windows. Its target is to run a few applications that are in high demand and are not available on the host platform.

I agree CrossOver supports a disappointingly small number of Windows apps, but so what? You get a 60 day trial, if it runs that one program you need, fine, if not, no loss.

RHoney said...

I wonder what (the fuckk!) do you (fuckin') do for your (fuckked up) living!

we know who you are... said...

//
How has this not been mentioned yet?

Why LinuxHater could be a Microsoft front
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/10/linuxhater-alert/
//

You're del lcaza!

from the link above:

#

Anonymous said,

August 10, 2008 at 4:03 pm

I think Icaza is Linux Hater.

It is not just smear, it is criticism coming from a person that really knows it, but you can notice that Linux Hater’s biases are similar to Icaza’s, he is more close to gnome and more anti C++, apple. Icaza always criticizes people that uses apple and Linux hater has tried to move attention against apple. Etc, etc, etc.

Anonymous said...

Wow, she's changing her whole OS over a file manager and some panels.

No she's not. She has a Mac and an Ubuntu laptop and...

This week I finally decided to move to the Ubuntu machine for my primary activities.

Night said...

I lost my favorite photo of Linux failing, as I've never seen any other OS spew out a "FUCKING EVIL SATA CONTROLLER" error before halting during boot. It happened last November to one of our customers with a SATA RAID (3ware, IIRC) controller.

Anonymous said...

speak about google doing a new browser just because it can... why wouldn't they submit their changes to firefox... if the features are really good, I bet they would be submitted-

Anonymous said...

The autopackage guys being completely clueless, who cares about them dropping anything?

They've been advocating the need of a Linux platform for years. They look pretty clueful to me.

Anonymous said...

fail blog sucks

julian67 said...

8 reasons why every computing student will love Linux.

All computer students should only study MS. They'll be well informed and highly employable in all kinds of IT, education, business environments. Not.

Wow, she's changing her whole OS over a file manager and some panels

She clearly states she's keeping OS X, sounds like a dual boot. Can you not read?

A nice little rant from jimmac

who the fuck is jimmac and why should anyone care about his opensuse 11 install?

Another "I'm so proud" post

The guy's expecting granny to configure kmail. She obviously isn't as dumb as you.

An autopackage dev gives up on Linux.

News just in: man swimming against the tide goes backwards.

Ryan Farmer: as jimmac

Who knew? CrossOver still doesn't work.

News just in: Crossover for MAC doesn't work with the applications that Crossover say it doesn't work with.

A luser laments at the failure of his Summer of Documentation project.

News just in: 4 people at ubuntuforums discover no-one cares about their wiki.

Ah, the eeePC, darling of the luser community. Apparently some developers really don't understand how third party software installation works.

News just in: another blogger writes some completely erroneous uninformed crap and you swallow and regurgitate.

No change there.

"Currently supports EeePC Linux version 1.6 and up"

Apple-Psystar conflict

Somehow a battle between two companies over a proprietary software, reported on a site which covers all OS, is something to do with the Linux kernel or free software?

You're an idiot.

Ed said...

>> You're del lcaza!

Rumor is that Miguel actually found out who LinuxHater is to congratulate him on his blog, but they aren't the same person.

Miguel is one of the few people who don't get their panties in a bunch at LinuxHater using--OH NOS!--profanity and actually sees that he's generally pretty much right about everything.

Joe said...

Linux is open source, so nothing about your operating system is hidden from you. From the way you want your desktop to appear, to whether you want Blowfish support built into your kernel or compiled as a loadable module, Linux is all about choice.

I can't tell you how many nights I've stayed awake agonizing over whether blowfish should be built into my kernel or compiled as a loadable module

Anon E Moose said...

My favorite reason from the 8:

"...you’ll probably face a few “challenges”. Now, someone who just want to do some word processing might refer to these as “problems” or “reasons to go back to Windows”, however, I personally find them one of the most exciting features of the operating system..."

Linux: It's not a Bug, It's an Adventure! :D

Or "features", as the author says, the poor lost bastard...

Floyd said...

Moving from Mac to Ubuntu: Why I'm switching. Wow, she's changing her whole OS over a file manager and some panels. Complete with the standard luser comments.

lol man she is from my university,

Macs really suck though.

Anonymous said...

who the fuck is jimmac and why should anyone care about his opensuse 11 install?

jimmac is an icon designer for the GNOME.

Anonymous said...

@julian67: Jimmac makes great icons,themes and other stuff for Gnome and Linux. He works for Novell.

His comment on twitter is:
http://twitter.com/jimmac

"Featured on Linuxhater. Mom would be proud"

Anonymous said...

That girl using Ubuntu has the worst glasses ever seen. But without them is ok.

Here is my analysis:
BAD TASTE --> BAD GLASSES


BAD TASTE + BAD GLASSES = UBUNTU

joke said...

>>Rumor is that Miguel actually found out who LinuxHater is...

...woooosssssssh...

Anonymous said...

The BBC's been having fun with linux on an eeePC this week too:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7594249.stm

Not a glowing review though...

Anonymous said...

@julian67cocksinhismouth:

//who the fuck is jimmac and why should anyone care about his opensuse 11 install?//

An icon designer for Gnome, employed by Novell.

Now then ... who are you, exactly?

bic said...

seem to forget that Apple is not Microsoft. They're not a software company supporting everyone's hardware; they're a hardware company selling the software for their hardware.

What's next? Are they going to sue Sony because they can't run the PS3's dashboard on their Dell?

julian67 said...

so jimmac makes nice icons, splashes and wallpapers. His difficulty with opensuse 11 is still about as relevant to anyone except him as what he had for breakfast. Lame regurgitation by this blog of a not interesting blog by someone else. Linuxhater and weiner fanboys, you have run out of anything even mildly interesting to say but the subtext of what you do say is that you're a bunch of hysterical twits.

Anonymous said...

I love your blog. It's so funny to see the "Holier Than Thou" trip over themselves. What a bunch of dildos.

Please do a series on FOSS cult personalities. And FOSS' lovely double standards.

We need MORE!

Anonymous said...

so jimmac makes nice icons, splashes and wallpapers. His difficulty with opensuse 11 is still about as relevant to anyone except him as what he had for breakfast.

Hm, jimmac uses Linux for years, and (AFAIK) does all his work on Linux using Open source tools, so I guess his experience is relevant.

He is a longtime power user who uses FOSS software to get some work done, unlike bunch of FOSS jerks who endlessly tweak and jerk about compiz cube.

Anonymous said...

Yes, jimmac actually did something to make Linux usable and good looking. This is much more than most of the Slashdiots and freetards did. They only seem able to suck to each other...

julian67 said...

Hm, jimmac uses Linux for years, and (AFAIK) does all his work on Linux using Open source tools, so I guess his experience is relevant.

It's exactly as relevant and interesting as people who used Linux for years and say "works for me", or people who used it for three weeks and say 'works for me". It's an instance of a single person's experience not a demonstration of a broad truth. "Doesn't work for me" is as useful as "works for me", i.e. not useful at all.

wtf is a "power user" anyway, usually means some 14 yr old winny weiner talking bs on neowin.

I'll leave you to your tweaking and jerking, don't forget to clean up the keyboard after.

Anonymous said...

@julian67: "All computer students should only study MS. They'll be well informed and highly employable in all kinds of IT, education, business environments. Not."

That's pretty hilarious coming from you, a guy who can't code at all, and therefore couldn't use the source code to save his life...

who the fuck is jimmac and why should anyone care about his opensuse 11 install?

WTF is julian67 and why should anyone care about his crappy Debian desktop?

The guy's expecting granny to configure kmail. She obviously isn't as dumb as you.

You are fucking whacked if you think that's reasonable, dickhead.

News just in: man swimming against the tide goes backwards.

Ergo, don't use Linux. It's a waste of effort.

News just in: Crossover for MAC doesn't work with the applications that Crossover say it doesn't work with.

Ergo, it's fairly useless the vast amount of time.

News just in: 4 people at ubuntuforums discover no-one cares about their wiki.

It's just a symptom of the kind of self-delusional, self-aggrandizing egocentrism that eminates from lusers. Congrats: You're on the same clueless-train. Really think anybody cares about what YOU think about Windows? Or OS X? The only reason that I respond is charity. No need to cut your wrists, emo-boy.

News just in: another blogger writes some completely erroneous uninformed crap and you swallow and regurgitate.

Nice attempt at rewriting history, douchebag. It wasn't erroneous when the post was written on August 25th. Look at the screenshot. It clearly says "Currently supports OS version 1.1 and up." Clearly, the ASUS folks were notified after that date that they FUCKED UP MONUMENTALLY -- since CNR apps aren't supported until 1.6 -- so they changed the download notes. And YOU have the fucking gall to suggest that the blogger was full of shit, based on the edited release notes. Which makes you either a fucking duplicitous asshole -- or a moron. Which is it?

Somehow a battle between two companies over a proprietary software, reported on a site which covers all OS, is something to do with the Linux kernel or free software?

Trying reading for comprehension, dumbass. Here's what LH said: "And finally, an OSnews discussion thread on the Apple-Psystar conflict, with freetardism-a-plenty." In other words, he's referring to the freetard comments on OSNews, not the Apple-Psystar lawsuit, itself. Comments which suggest (paraphrasing)...

1. Apple has a monopoly on its products, and is guilty of tying its operating system to its hardware, even though it is capable of running on alternative hardware. This is BADDDDDDDDDDDD...

2. Apple should be forced to sell its product to whoever buys it, and regardless of what terms they want. Aka fuck COPYRIGHT, unless it's the GPL and open source code.

3. Commercial EULAs are evil. But the GPL is GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD...

Try to catch up, dumbass.

Anonymous said...

@julian67: "it's an instance of a single person's experience not a demonstration of a broad truth. "Doesn't work for me" is as useful as "works for me", i.e. not useful at all.

Try to connect the dots. Linux. Problems. 0.08% market share.

wtf is a "power user" anyway, usually means some 14 yr old winny weiner talking bs on neowin.

And you're still waiting for your testicles to descend...

I'll leave you to your tweaking and jerking, don't forget to clean up the keyboard after.

Sounds like wishful thinking on your part.

Anonymous said...

@pwnzord

Some good things about Windows:


It has far more than Linux's .01% market share

You can actually get a job using Windows software

You can develop applications that people will actually pay for

You don't have to join a cult to use it

Anonymous said...

@julian67: "All computer students should only study MS. They'll be well informed and highly employable in all kinds of IT, education, business environments. Not."

JOB INTERVIEW...

INTERVIEWER: "We're looking for someone who can manage and run our network, 500 Windows desktop PCs, 30 Windows servers, do backups, install patches, pilot and deploy software updates, etc."

julian67: "Great, great..."

INTERVIEWER: "So, I see that you have some experience running Debian Linux? Is that right?"

julian67: "Um, yes, that's right."

INTERVIEWER: "We were hoping to get somebody in here with Windows experience. Have you ever managed a large Windows site?"

julian67: "No, but I know how to admin a Debian Linux box. And I run Windows every day."

INTERVIEWER: "Those are skills that we don't really have much need for..."

julian67: "Well, but, you know ... you guys should really consider switching over to Linux. I have a lot of experience with Linux. No, I can't read the source code and, yeah, I only know what I've read on some random guy's blog ... but I think that Linux would be better for you guys..."

INTERVIEWER: "Listen, I don't have time for this. I need to find somebody who can admin a Windows site. That means Windows servers, Windows desktops, group policy, ActiveDirectory, etc..."

julian67: "Do you have any Linux desktops or servers?"

INTERVIEWER: We don't have any Linux desktops. We have a weird guy in the preprod lab that has a Linux partition on one of his boxes. But nobody really pays much attention to him. He smells bad and, everytime he starts talking about Linux and how great it is, he ends up having to repave his box. So, we figure all that wasted time could be better spent having our people get their work done with Windows. Which just works."

julian67: "What about servers?"

INTERVIEWER: "We have a few Linux boxes running file and print services. But they don't talk to our ActiveDirectory domain controllers. So, I'm not sure who actually uses them. Maybe nobody at all. They seem to gather a lot of dust."

julian67: "Well, I think you guys are wasting a lot of money on Windows and should switch to Linux."

INTERVIEWER: "Um, that's a thought. But we get volume discounts on all our stuff from Microsoft with support, so it really doesn't make much sense. Anyway, back to the interview... So, what kind of Windows admin skills do you have?"

julian67: "I use Windows every day, because my Linux box won't do a lot of stuff that I need. I installed Windows Blinds on my machine to make it look cool. Oh, yeah, I download gay porn a lot. And I like to post crap on the Linux Hater blog about how shitty Windows is, even though I use it most of the time..."

INTERVIEWER: "Can you code at all? You know, write scripts? Do backups?"

julian67: "No, I can't write code. And I don't need to do backups, cuz Linux never crashes, and it's okay if my boxen get p0wn3d 'cuz nobody stores anything important below their home folder..."

INTERVIEWER: "So, what you're telling me is that you offer no value whatsoever to my organization..."

julian67: "Well, I guess not. But I still think I could do a great job if you could switch everything over to Linux..."

INTERVIEWER: "How the fuck did you get past HR?" (picks up phone) "Janet, would you please send security up here. I need you to escort Mr. Douchebag to the front desk to sign-out. And, for chrissakes, please stop sending me these fucking lusers. I have work to do..."

Ed said...

The post above mine might be the greatest post in the history of luser-pwning.

Anonymous said...

LOL

so true. When will the religious fanatics ever learn that open sauce means nothing in the real world. It has no value.

julian67 said...

As about 75% of the world's webservers run Linux, and maybe 15-20% of servers overall you'll find fewer & fewer Windows only shops. It's a huge disadvantage in seeking sysadmin work if you are narrowly fixed on MS. You get fewer opportunities and command a lower salary but that's your choice. If you have an aversion to free software you lose.

But good luck with your MCSE, maybe they'll teach you that scripting and developing applications aren't the same thing, that backups are vital on any platform, that Linux & Mac systems integrate fine with Active Directory. But maybe they won't and you'll still be a gobshite ignoramus.

Enjoy the low salary/dole queue.

You're an idiot.

Anon E Moose said...

Anonymous interview gets many good lulz from me XD


A superb demonstration of wit, sir/madame.


I do enjoy the tangents this comments section tends to take.
It can be better than the parent post itself.

thecodewitch said...

Hi everybody, Hysterical Twit here, signing in.

Linux: It's not a Bug, It's an Adventure!

I love this line! I'd like to expand on it, if I may.

Enjoy the linux adventure!! Engage in exciting activites such as:

- Meet exciting asocial nerds from all over the world!
- Start flame wars with them!
- Try out the random bits of linux advice you find on the intertube!
- Write a blog about your experience, and how linux is so worth the effort, because of all the freedom juice you get to drink!
- Rebooting your machine!
- Editing config files!!
- Welcoming your new fried, xterm!
- Buy more linux ready hardware to fill the space in your house left by your girlfriend/wife/family who just left you!
- Using the command line
- Copy pasting bits of incomprehensible gibberish into xorg.conf, or fstab.loserisyou
- Trying to understand man pages!
- Asking "works for me" non-coding, ubuntu using linux lemmings on ubuntu forums about their vast knowledge!
- After the week long, brain damaging flame war, remind yourself why doing that is a bad idea!
- Discover that the piece of software you want to use requires latest libs not available in debian packages archive, requiring you to build those libs from source!
- Spend the next 2 weeks setting up the development environment the programmer of the lib uses!
- Compiling!
- Make installing!
- Once you get it working, realise what a horrendous, pointless waste of time this all is, and go back to windows / mac / Commodore 64 / Amiga / Acorn OS / Atari ST / god... Anything but fucking linux!

Anon E Moose said...

Nice, codewitch, just the right touch of hysterical ;)




We've found that Mac on AD is full of compromise and fail. I came into one site that was just getting rid of their outsourced contractor. They had a Linux guy, and a NT guy, and when they left I saw half of the Macs (sorta) working on the domain, and the other half were so borked that I couldn't even log into them, not even locally.

Fortunately the budget is such that plans to buy more of them were scrapped - we could literally buy 4 *good* PCs for every Mac. Now they are being used in a class where they won't even be networked, along with a pile of old G3 imacs that we got for free, to do imovie and Blender.

Did have a brief look at this Likewise Open thing. Got the Linux box onto AD easy enough, but could not do anything with it (such as log on as a domain user). Seems there's a pile of hoops to jump through to enable that, and I just don't have enough free hours in the day to play with it right now. And since there is less than zero interest in Linux, I'm not about to get any PD time to research solutions.


Got several FreeNAS boxes, though. Nice system (FreeBSD based). I only use them for FTP servers right now because their AD integration blew chunks too. At least it did a year and a half ago. I'll have to give it another go some day.

Anonymous said...

@julian67: As about 75% of the world's webservers run Linux

LOL. They're parked domains, you idiot. They serve no purpose and run multiple useless domains on the same box. Nice. Be proud...

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2008/08/site_count_history.gif

...and maybe 15-20% of servers overall you'll find fewer & fewer Windows only shops.

LOL. Yeah, keep telling yourself that, luser, as they print your unemployment check...

Linux Losing Market Share to Windows Server
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/Linux-Losing-Market-Share-to-Windows-Server/

"Over the same time period, Windows has continued to report positive annual growth, outpacing the total growth rate in the x86 market by more than 4 percent in 2006, indicating that Linux has actually lost market share to Windows Server over this time. The same holds true for worldwide Linux x86 server shipments, which dropped from the huge annual growth rate of about 45 percent is 2003 to growth of less than 10 percent in 2006, the IDC figures show. One of the biggest reasons for this is that the migrations from Unix to Linux have slowed down markedly."

Apache Continues Its Slog Downward Against IIS
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2008/07/overallc.gif

It's a huge disadvantage in seeking sysadmin work if you are narrowly fixed on MS.

And if you DON'T know MS, you're FUCKED... Virtually all companies run with MS desktops and servers, and solid-paying Windows jobs are far more prevalent. So whatever. If you don't want to admit the obvious, who cares. Go fuck yourself.

Anonymous said...


As about 75% of the world's webservers run Linux,


Doubt it.

Anonymous said...

IPhone challenging Linux Market Share. OH NOES!!!

Anonymous said...


BTW - I use a Mac

Sorry you're gay dude. Did you get beat a lot in school? :(

thecodewitch said...

.net jerkface said...
How has this not been mentioned yet?

Why LinuxHater could be a Microsoft front
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/10/linuxhater-alert/


Thats probably the most entertaining and exploitable aspect of the whole linux cult - users who claim the reason linux isn't more mainstream isn't because it smells like dogshit and turns your PC into a doorstop, but because of a nefarious conspiracy conceived and perpetrated by the villainous thugs who run Micro$oft and, um, "Appl$".

Just like that other pyramid scheme/religion, scientology, linux is celebrity endorsed as well!

This poor guy is new to linux. I predict he'll quietly be eating his own words in about a month's time. Just don't expect Slashdot to report it.

Anonymous said...

@julian67

Please stop. You're embarrassing yourself. Please ... just stop. You're giving those of us who have managed to get Linux working (after LOTS of time and effort) a bad name.

Just. Stop. You're so owned that you can't even tell.

Anonymous said...

In terms of system sales...

Linux's server marketshare is now 13.4%, a 10% increase from last year.

Windows Server has 36.5%, a 1.7% increase from last year.

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS21399008

Linux's desktop marketshare has increased 232.5% in the past two years from 0.40% to 0.93%.

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpdt=1&qpct=4&qpcustom=Linux&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=92&qpnp=25

Webserver marketshare for Apache and GWS (based on Apache) has grown last month.

http://news.netcraft.com/

Nothing spectacular happening here but no doom or gloom news for Linux either.

Anonymous said...

Linux's desktop marketshare has increased 232.5% in the past two years from 0.40% to 0.93%.

Oops... 132.5% increase. I think anyway.

julian67 said...

@julian67

Please stop. You're embarrassing yourself. Please ... just stop. You're giving those of us who have managed to get Linux working (after LOTS of time and effort) a bad name.

Just. Stop. You're so owned that you can't even tell.


I'm not owned or embarrassed. If you believe the crap these idiots write that's your problem. If you could only "get Linux working (after LOTS of time and effort)" you're either another lamer or more likely just trolling anonymously. It isn't a difficult task (the trolling or getting a modern distro installed).

As for sysadmin, yes ideally you have to know MS but if you only know MS you're limited and lower grade. Generally people who administer Linux or BSD can also administer Windows, but the converse isn't true. MS fanboys and fantasists can pretend that MS has a majority share of webservers if that's what makes them happy but back in the real world it isn't the case. That isn't a criticism of Windows or an endorsement of anything else, just a little bit of reality. Lots of people are happy or at least resigned to proprietary license fees (or they just use unlicensed copies) but they're less happy when they have to upgrade perfectly good hardware as well, which is why a lot of people who hadn't previously thought about it are looking at alternatives, which are going to be Linux or FreeBSD or OpenBSD.

The netcraft gif is all very exciting but you only have to look at netcraft's front page to read:

"August 2008 Web Server Survey

In the August 2008 survey we received responses from 176,748,506 sites. This month's overall growth of 1.3 million sites reflects Apache's growth of 1.2 million and Google's gain of half a million sites, but a loss of 760 thousand sites using Microsoft IIS."

You can also read the figures for the top 10 most reliable hosting companies. All the top three are Linux based, Windows scrapes in at number 10.

So if Windows webservers are at about 40% but they occupy only one place, the bottom place, in top 10 reliable hosts that should tell you something too. If you look at the top 50 most reliable hosting companies then Windows only appears 8 times. The only ones with zero failed requests combined with zero outage run Linux. Not bad for something that makes the whiny weiners here shriek with displeasure and disapproval.

Lesson is to find out stuff for yourself, not listen to wailing fanboys and trolls who think IT=MS, and definitely don't take their assertions and selective quotations as anything other than disingenuous. Most of these people don't even know their way around their favoured Windows OS, let alone another, their comments are mostly ill informed, based on other ill informed coments on other blogs or just plain dishonest.

Linux based OSs aren't free clones of Windows and when people expect them to be they end up writing the kind of drivel codewitch comes out with. If Linux isn't what you expected and isn't what you want, or if you feel there's something better, the best thing is not to use it. Thanks to free software you can choose various BSDs or OS X (proprietary OS built on freesoftware (BSD) base or even choose to use Windows. It's better to be content with your choice than end up bitching and complaining like codewitch, netjerkoff, linuxhater, numerous bleating anonymous cowards et al because you feel you wasted your time.

Anonymous said...

Generally people who administer Linux or BSD can also administer Windows, but the converse isn't true.

Of course. Linux and BSD skills can get you a nice job, but they
are less needed than Windows. So, you can either wait for Linux admin position, or learn a more marketable skill. There's nothing magical about Linux admins, and most of these Linux/Windows admins are not very good at their job. Not because they are not smart to do it, but because they generally despise Windows and don't really know how to administer Windows properly. I knew a few of these and they usually needed a guidance and a double check.

It's better to be content with your choice than end up bitching and complaining like codewitch, netjerkoff, linuxhater, numerous bleating anonymous cowards et al

So, what's wrong with bitching? FOSS so called 'advocates' do it all the time, on any forum or blog.

Anonymous said...

and most of these Linux/Windows admins are not very good at their job
I mean at their job as Windows admins.

xenon155 said...


It's better to be content with your choice than end up bitching and complaining like codewitch, netjerkoff, linuxhater, numerous bleating anonymous cowards et al


You fucking luser retards give FUD spouting lunatics from the FOSS side legitimacy by promoting and supporting their warped views. Where is your fake outrage then?


Ofcouce your gonna keep ur pie hole shut. These rejects make up your entire cheerleading lineup. Without them Linux would have had a fate worse than BSD.


Fucking hypocrite.


Compared to the amount of windows users the number of fanboys are not even close to ~1%. With Linux it is almost 99%.


Like they say. linux is for people who hate microsoft bsd is for people who love unix. so true.

Take your righteous dick and go circle jerk with the other luser retards.

Anonymous said...

There's nothing magical about Linux admins
Fuck you man! I've been learning for ten years to become a Linux admin, just to get my hands on those magical powers, now you tell me there aren't any?!!

OMG!

thecodewitch said...

Linux based OSs aren't free clones of Windows and when people expect them to be they end up writing the kind of drivel codewitch comes out with. If Linux isn't what you expected and isn't what you want, or if you feel there's something better, the best thing is not to use it. Thanks to free software you can choose various BSDs or OS X (proprietary OS built on freesoftware (BSD) base or even choose to use Windows. It's better to be content with your choice than end up bitching and complaining like codewitch, netjerkoff, linuxhater, numerous bleating anonymous cowards et al because you feel you wasted your time.

Is this it? Is this all you've got to base your defense of linux, and your attack on me? "Linux is not a clone of Windows"??

Fuck off back to your ubuntu forums and find someone else to stalk, brainless little fucktard.

.net jerkface said...


Julian67 sez:
So if Windows webservers are at about 40% but they occupy only one place, the bottom place, in top 10 reliable hosts that should tell you something too.


It tells me that your 75% claim came directly from the bowels of your ass.

Too bad for you that this isn't slashdot or osnews where you can get voted down for pointing out uncomfortable aspects of reality.

IIS is gaining against Apache which is pretty interesting given that Linux is free while Windows web server is $400.

julian67 said...

"You fucking luser retards give FUD spouting lunatics from the FOSS side legitimacy by promoting and supporting their warped views."

Is that actually English?

"bowels of your ass"

Is that English?

"Fuck off back to your ubuntu forums and find someone else to stalk, brainless little fucktard."

Hey a sentence! No kindergarten grammar and only one made up word! You win three intarwebs and an introductory hour of therapy. Here's your first therapeutic question: does your daddy still make you suck his dick and how does that make you feel?

Codewitch you're a prize twat.

Netjerkoff you're a dumb as a rock fanboy.

xenon155 you're a mindless illiterate.

Xenon155 said...


Is that actually English?

No, its the truth. Even Better.

.net jerkface said...

"bowels of your ass"


Is that English?


Yea, pretty standard stuff.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bowels

But way to try to pull the grammar card after someone called you on your bullshit statistic.

The Linux Forum Defense Forces will not be giving you any medals for your performance here.

thecodewitch said...

The Linux Forum Defense Forces will not be giving you any medals for your performance here.

What about the penalty for taking 3 limp potshots at 3 different posters in one comment? Not to mention the traitorous offering of no less than 3 intarwebs to an enemy combatant!

Linux Forum Defence Forces will bust him down from "Unpaid Intern", to "Furry Unpaid Intern". He gets a smaller cubicle, and he has to write his posts on an Eee PC using Emacs.

Tron said...


The Linux Forum Defense Forces will not be giving you any medals for your performance here.


Once they are out of the whoring-for-Linux job we'll put them to good use in windows land, wont we? :D

The 75% comment was +5 insightful, amirite? We really did get great insight into luser mentality...

Tron said...

8 Reasons Why Every Computing Student Will Love Linux.

why dont you wait till they actually try it.

#1 Computing student? That makes no fucking sense whatshoever.

#2 "Linux is open source, so nothing about your operating system is hidden from you". The source code itself is uninteresting and retarded way to teach anything. Unless you understand basic kernel theory or even OS theory, the source code doesnt mean shit. (Assuming at this point the student can actually read complex C code). You could give them the code for notepad (or any other other random code) instead of linux and they wont know the difference.

#3 "It can be a challenge." / "It runs on a range of hardware." Still doesnt tell me anything about the OS itself. All it does is introduce people to arcane system commands. Nothing to do with learning about the internals or design.

.. bah Whats the point...


This has nothing even remotely to do with academic learning. Typical FOSS zombie..

LinuxHaterSuxCock said...

Linux hater and all your supporters, yo lot are nothing more than cock-sucking faggot sons of lesbian whores...puul your heads out of your collective arseholes and you might see the sunshine outside your whore-bag mothers basement...Linux is free. If you're too stupid to get it working then use windoze like the motherfucking retard that you are and stop your fucking pointless whining about Linux. I used to use ubuntu until my mobo died and now I am using debian etch on a 700MHz gateway from 2000. Do you think I care? fuck no , coz it wAS free and I have enough brains to work out how to get it going unlike you stupid stinking arsehole. If you don't like Linux then fuck you, you are retarded and not someone to whom the market is targeted, altho how something that is free can have a market share is beyond me. You suck. You blog sucks. Its just a pity your whore lesbian mamma didn't keep her legs shut.

julian67 said...

What he said :-)

At last some quality posts!

LH rulez said...

@linuxhatersuxcock
We've got one! Live!
Hello to you, dear Linux user.
You're truly a prized specimen.
I'll nail you above the fireplace next to julian67.


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My God, they just shoot themselves nowadays..

LinuxHaterFuxGoats said...

Amazing. I have near zero coding experience but can get Debian etch running on a 700MHz Gateway in an hour complete with Wifi and ALL the applications I want and need to abuse you clueless Linux hating motherfuckers out there. And hey! Look at that, I made a typo with motherfuckers and Debian has the correct spelling for "motherfuckers" in it's dictionary...well now, you can't get more any motherfucking cool than that!!

PS, fuck you LinuxHaters

AllYourLinuxAreBelongToUs said...

"Hello to you, dear Linux user."

"Dear"?

Are you some sort of fucking homo?

Fuck yourself queer. Or even better , go fuck LinuxHater.

Tron said...


Amazing. I have near zero coding experience but can get Debian etch running on a 700MHz Gateway in an hour complete with Wifi and ALL the applications I want and need

Too bad it took you an hour. Most windows users can use their machines when they buy it.


Also I'm sorry your stuck with older technology. I truly wish you could a modern kernel based OS like Vista or WS 2008.


Maybe then, you wouldn't feel so happy when the hardware just works. You see, we in Windows land take these things for granted. We feel happy when we actually do something useful with our computers. But I'm happy for you linux folks. Finally you can get the wifi to work.

Anonymous said...

pardon me tron but windows land seems quite happy with xp...

Tron said...


pardon me tron but windows land seems quite happy with xp..


Its OK if you have older h/w. With newer hardware, it doesn't make sense to use XP. The changes in the memory manager and cpu scheduler alone are enough to switch. If you have a decent graphics card it will help take the load off the CPU,etc etc. Then theres the UAC part, which will prevent you from most of the nasty stuff including rootkits*. Dont believe the FUD, its not going to popup every 2 seconds. more like 0 per day in regular use.


Anyway most of the users are just going to get vista pre-installed with newer hardware.


*Preemptive reply: Linux has 0 tools to deal with this. No, Selinux and apparmor is horrible crap and the average end user isnt going to configure it.

Anonymous said...

yes i got a copy with my new laptop. it works almost flawlessly for 3 months (once i got a not enough memory message (3 gigs)--jesus)
but i sure miss xp (not so much it's in the other room:) but had a really hard time on hardy: 3 clean installs in three months!!!(xp manages 6 good months before going bit rot) the third one has come to a ridiculous FAIL state worthy of submitting a screenshot!
long live freedom!

LH rulez said...

@linuxhater(blah blah)
Its okay to be gay, lets rejoice with the boys in the gay land!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayZGZ2NSxs4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9UuaFfHagk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxDqmx7GREA&feature=related

Tron said...


long live freedom!



And what freedom is this? Modify the code? Are you qualified? Besides who is going to even consider merging code from a nut like you into their main branch?


Run games? Can you?

Freedom to buy any hardware and work with it? Can you?


Do something more than browse the internet and send email? Can you?


Seems to be a severe restrictions of basic things that should be possible with a freedom oriented OS :( I'm afraid you've been duped.


Its OK though. A quick search on any Linux forum will hook you up with tons of users struggling with their new "freedom". You should find comfort there.

Anonymous said...

I'm afraid you've missed the irony.

Anonymous said...

@julian67

quote: "At last some quality posts!"

quote: "cock-sucking faggot sons of lesbian whores"

You don't just run a worthless OS, apparently you can't write decent replies too. By the way, homophobic slurs aren't *in* anymore.

Tron said...

I'm afraid
You should be.

you've missed the irony
Is that all? I think you're missing a few brain cells. And by few I mean most of.

But thats OK! Because you can compile a new brain with the FOSS Zombie module. Apparently it only works in special cases with defective obsolete hardware, but looks like you're it.

Anonymous said...

I have near zero coding experience but can get Debian etch running on a 700MHz Gateway in an hour complete with Wifi and ALL the applications I want and need

You don't need much then. WorksForME(TM)

Tr0n said...

Stop posting for me, you jackass.

Anonymous said...

Apparently you're the most brainless troll ever.

Tr0n said...

Obviously, I didnt mean the comment above me, fuckhead. Some other lamer thought it would be funny to impersonate me...

But no more, I have a new ID to torment lusers.

Anonymous said...

@ tron, aka windows worshiper:

Linux was started by a university student, is used as studying material at universities and theses are awarded related to it. I'd say it has quite a lot to do with academic learning.

You insist that UAC is a security feature, while it isn't. Apparmor and selinux style permission control is the only possible way to fix the problem of malicious software once and for all, you keep mentioning UAC instead, which

1. doesn't give the user any information regarding what the program tries to access, so the user cannot know whether the program is indeed malicious,

2. displays confirmation prompts even though the user already has enough permissions(!)

3. doesn't restrict software that doesn't require installation,

4. allows the program to either take over your PC or not, nothing in between.

I wonder what makes you consider UAC to have such revolutionary properties ("which will prevent you from most of the nasty stuff including rootkits*"), which even MS engineers never dare to claim. UAC is nothing but an over-engineered confirmation prompt that resembles sudo, however (typical MS) the design is much worse, which in the end renders it useless.

I honestly have no idea what makes you think that clueless users will avoid malware because they encounter another confirmation prompt.

By the way, what does "crap" in "Selinux and apparmor is horrible crap" mean? Have you ever used them? Are you familiar with their design? Is there any other way to solve the problem they solve? Does it mean "crap" as in "not designed by Microsoft"?

Also I'm sorry your stuck with older technology. I truly wish you could a modern kernel based OS like Vista or WS 2008. The linux kernel is being updated at the moment, how can a kernel get more modern than that? ;-)
Seriously now, the only thing that vista kernel supports that linux doesn't out of what you mention is GPU memory virtualization, which is in development for intel graphics cards in linux. If you consider this such an important feature, I doubt you're doing any serious work on your PC.

Maybe then, you wouldn't feel so happy when the hardware just works. You see, we in Windows land take these things for granted. We feel happy when we actually do something useful with our computers. But I'm happy for you linux folks. Finally you can get the wifi to work. This isn't a "more modern kernel" problem, no matter how you try to make it appear so. Saying "any OS that doesn't have 90% marketshare is useless" would be just as accurate.

Regarding "freedom":
1. Who cares about games, I thought you were talking about working with the OS.
2. Do you have the "freedom" to run vista on any hardware available?
3. If you think one cannot do anything else with linux other than browsing and using e-mail, I'm afraid that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Anonymous said...

LEAVE JULIAN67 ALONE!!!!!

pff.. said...

what a persona..

tron said...

wait i'm thinking...
fucktard!

Anonymous said...

@LH
when you started this blog did you expect all these mstards would show up? they were unnoticed before (at least by me) because lusers were so much noise!

oh and congrats on the alert from boycottnovell.com

Tr0n said...


Linux was started by a university student, is used as studying material at universities and theses are awarded related to it. I'd say it has quite a lot to do with academic learning.

Re-read the response dumbfuck. I said simply having the code without any previous knowledge about OS theory/Kernel Theory/C programming is useless. Which was suggested as a learning method for a "Computing Student".


You insist that UAC is a security feature, while it isn't. Apparmor and selinux style permission control is the only possible way to fix the problem of malicious software once and for all, you keep mentioning UAC instead, which

No its not. Its crap because you have to manually configure everything. No average end user can be expected to do this. This is ridiculous to even argue about. People are going to install new crap, all the time, who the fuck is going to maintain profiles?


I wonder what makes you consider UAC to have such revolutionary properties ("which will prevent you from most of the nasty stuff including rootkits*"), which even MS engineers never dare to claim. UAC is nothing but an over-engineered confirmation prompt that resembles sudo, however (typical MS) the design is much worse, which in the end renders it useless.

Simple, I use it every day. I have also used SElinux in the past. As usual, the only options offered by linux increase complexity instead of decreasing it.


I honestly have no idea what makes you think that clueless users will avoid malware because they encounter another confirmation prompt.

There is no prompt. Protected mode IE.


The linux kernel is being updated at the moment, how can a kernel get more modern than that? ;-)

Ohhhh so If MS fixes 3 bugs in Win 2.0 it becomes modern? I'm not about to dump a research paper on kernel architecture here in the comments. If you are not aware of the changes, its not my job to educate you. To people who keep a track of changes in both linux and nt your illiterate posts induce pity.


1. Who cares about games, I thought you were talking about working with
the OS.

Games are important to consumers. Look at the sales in the PC games market. One of the reasons why hardware costs are being driven down, is the success of games on the PC platform. Its ancient "news". Anyway, that was a response to a different post. Pay attention.



2. Do you have the "freedom" to run vista on any hardware available?

There is a difference between "run" and "doing something useful". Look it up. Anyway Linux is not "magically" going to work. Someone has to port it first. And before that the toolchain has to be ported.


3. If you think one cannot do anything else with linux other than browsing and using e-mail, I'm afraid that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Yeah, you can run apt or yum or whatever other crap and "enjoy" other software, majority of which isnt in use other than in luser circles. (Even though they have windows builds). Taking my points literally is just plain stupid. Figure it out.

julian67 said...

"Anonymous said...

LEAVE JULIAN67 ALONE!!!!!
"


funny!

But I don't agree. Don't leave me alone, don't be nice to me, don't stop insulting me :-) You assholes are about as threatening as a kitten and as insightful as a chicken. You're idiots, losers, retards, lamers, fuckwits, asshats, cringing cretins, brainwashed boneheads, know nothing knuckleheads, mewling morons and all around fucking pinheads. Go for it!


The only one of the winny boys here who has a clue, enough to actually make coherent points and understand and address another person's points is tron (occasionally). The rest of you whiny winny wanky weiners are about as challenging as an open door. Fucking dimwits :-)

"@LH
when you started this blog did you expect all these mstards would show up? they were unnoticed before (at least by me) because lusers were so much noise!"


Funniest post so far on the linuxhater blog. Beauty!

Anonymous said...

Takes one to know one, Jules.

Utterly pathetic little flameboy. Your entertainment value has always been dubious, at best, other than being a good punching bag.

Anonymous said...

2. displays confirmation prompts even though the user already has enough permissions(!)

Ok. So you have no idea about how UAC works.

UAC is nothing but an over-engineered confirmation prompt that resembles sudo, however (typical MS) the design is much worse, which in the end renders it useless.

And here, further proof of your nonsensical ignorance.

RockMeLinuxDamus said...

Don't leave me alone, don't be nice to me, don't stop insulting me :-) You assholes are about as threatening as a kitten and as insightful as a chicken. You're idiots, losers, retards, lamers, fuckwits, asshats, cringing cretins, brainwashed boneheads, know nothing knuckleheads, mewling morons and all around fucking pinheads. Go for it!


It must be horrible to think about the emptiness you would return to if people here would just ignore you. As of now you you are willing to keep offering your drivel because the attention even the negative attention is so much better than the empty sadness. The thought of that must scare you to death. I understand why you wouldn't want people to stop.

Poor Julianne.

Anonymous said...

on the other hand of the student post
ms buys off unis, how lame is that?

Anonymous said...

this blog is losing its focus... It used to be a good read. Now a lot of the writings are just... random. You´re going from "unfortunately right" to "full of shit" quite fast. Also, you seem to be distorting some of the articles you mock way too much. If you have to alter the meaning in such a way, your criticism loses all its effect. Get focused again or stop writing.

Anonymous said...

"Get focused again or stop writing."

Or how about you fuck off?

Anonymous said...

Or how about we cut the guy some slack? He's been posting like an animal (Rampaging Rhino?) for 2-3 months and summer is just over (the only ones hyperactive are the luser community). I'm sure he'll be spot on if smt comes up.

Anonymous said...

@anonymous: "I wonder what makes you consider UAC to have such revolutionary properties ("which will prevent you from most of the nasty stuff including rootkits*"), which even MS engineers never dare to claim. UAC is nothing but an over-engineered confirmation prompt that resembles sudo, however (typical MS) the design is much worse, which in the end renders it useless."

These kinds of statements are a reminder of why Linux will NEVER have a place on the desktop. You simply don't understand users. There IS no magic bullet for security. But, clearly, UAC (and OS X's approach) provide a reasonable middle-ground between minimal security (Windows XP) and complicated configuration (SELinux and AppArmor). Your approach isn't workable for users. You would have people set up profiles for applications and specify ACLs? WTF are you smoking? Seriously, are you high? Microsoft understands its users more than you realize. People don't understand security. They just want to be safe. And they don't know what an ACL is. Or a profile. They just want to run a fucking app. Maybe it's ill-advised. But your alternative doesn't give them an option, either, because it requires that they have knowledge that they just don't have. Consequently, Microsoft got it right here. You may sneer at that from your ivory tower, but so what ... you lusers simply don't understand users, and never will. So, get used to losing on the desktop.

Tr0n said...

you lusers simply don't understand users, and never will.


This is the deep rooted flaw of the FOSS development model. These apps are written by developers for developers. There simply is no feedback model to vet the entire process. FOSS works(almost) when you're writing to a specific spec, or standard, but fails in almost every other scenario.

jesushateslinux said...

this blog is losing its focus... It used to be a good read. Now a lot of the writings are just... random. You´re going from "unfortunately right" to "full of shit" quite fast. Also, you seem to be distorting some of the articles you mock way too much. If you have to alter the meaning in such a way, your criticism loses all its effect. Get focused again or stop writing.

If you can do a better job, create your own blog. Otherwise, STFU.

Anonymous said...

@julian67: As about 75% of the world's webservers run Linux

LOL. They're parked domains, you idiot. They serve no purpose and run multiple useless domains on the same box. Nice. Be proud...


I'm not sure about the underlying OS, but Apache's share is down to 49% (from a peak of roughly 68% 7-8 years ago), given that it runs on multiple platforms, I'd reckon actual servers running Linux is somewhere in the 35-40% range (and falling).

...and maybe 15-20% of servers overall you'll find fewer & fewer Windows only shops

Quite the contrary, IIS has been gaining fast. IIS' share is up to the +35% range. With the improvements to IIS7, it's only a matter of time before it catches up to Apache. And given that IIS is exclusive to Windows, it means Windows has a _minimum_ of 35% webserver share.

LOL. Yeah, keep telling yourself that, luser, as they print your unemployment check.

He can't. He runs Linux. CUPS hates people, remember?

It's a huge disadvantage in seeking sysadmin work if you are narrowly fixed on MS.

It's actually an advantage to know Windows. Given the growth of IIS, as well as all those Active Directory and Exchange servers, and not to mention the countless workstations and desktops, knowing Windows is necessary in IT.

While it doesn't hurt to know Linux, nor does it hurt to know UNIX (My experience with IRIX, Solaris and AIX has landed me a job here and there), if you're going to limit yourself to knowing just one system well, and you want a paycheck, you're best suited with Windows.

Unless you're completely batshit delusional and think NASA or someone is going to hire you. Limiting yourself to Linux hurts you a lot more than limiting yourself to Windows.

Anonymous said...

@ tron,windows worshiper:

Re-read the response dumbfuck. This is getting interesting...

I said simply having the code without any previous knowledge about OS theory/Kernel Theory/C programming is useless. Which was suggested as a learning method for a "Computing Student". You didn't just say this, you listed 3 reasons ending with "This has nothing even remotely to do with academic learning.". The problem is that no one claimed that a student having the source without any knowledge of kernel internals benefits from open-source linux, nor was this suggested as a learning method. You keep trying to disprove things people never said. Following my previous response, you should agree that linux has a lot to do with academic learning, though you didn't admit it earlier.

Regarding apparmor and selinux: there is no other way possible to solve the malware problem, why is this so hard to understand? UAC does absolutely nothing to prevent malware from infecting the system, how hard is this to grasp? Microsoft engineers have repeatedly said exactly this (there’s no guarantee that malware running on a system with standard user rights can’t compromise an elevated process to gain administrative rights) many times, what makes you think you know better? UAC is a hack to work-around the broken administrator-only windows applications. It's a hack to work-around a broken system. That it also functions like sudo is a side-effect. Judging by your response, you consider apparmor and selinux "crap", because you neither have any idea what they're designed for, nor any idea what UAC is used for. This doesn't look good for a windows worshiper...

There is no prompt. Protected mode IE. How else can you store downloaded files to a directory of your choice? Or this isn't a common use scenario?

Ohhhh so If MS fixes 3 bugs in Win 2.0 it becomes modern?
You missed the ;-) at the end, or, in your own words: Taking my point literally is just plain stupid. Figure it out.

I'm not about to dump a research paper on kernel architecture here in the comments. Good, I've read enough bullshit already.

If you are not aware of the changes, its not my job to educate you. To people who keep a track of changes in both linux and nt your illiterate posts induce pity. My illiterate posts induce pity...

Games are important to consumers. Yes, they are. My point is that the main advantage of vista over linux (GPU memory virtualization according to you), will only be useful to gamers for the near future.

There is a difference between "run" and "doing something useful" Tricky question: Can someone do anything useful with linux on PS3? Hint: avoid referring to LinuxHater about this.

Yeah, you can run apt or yum or whatever other crap and "enjoy" other software, majority of which isnt in use other than in luser circles. (Even though they have windows builds). You clearly have no idea what a linux system can be used for.

@ anonymous
2. displays confirmation prompts even though the user already has enough permissions(!)

Ok. So you have no idea about how UAC works.
Doesn't it look redundant that the administrator account requires a prompt to set the clock? This alone would make me deactivate UAC if I were using vista.

@another anonymous
They just want to be safe. And they don't know what an ACL is. Or a profile. They just want to run a fucking app. Maybe it's ill-advised. But your alternative doesn't give them an option, either, because it requires that they have knowledge that they just don't have. I fully agree. The problem is that one cannot be both safe and ignorant of computer security. Since there's no way to prevent users from downloading and executing random executable e-cards, what is it that UAC offers, other than safer browsing (which would be trivial to implement if proper user isolation were possible in windows)?

Consequently, Microsoft got it right here. I don't think so. UAC offers a prompt with an executable name and maybe a company name. How can a user decide whether the program is malicious or not?

You may sneer at that from your ivory tower Nope, I just point out that UAC is more like a hack rather than the proper solution. A more user-friendly apparmor or selinux is a much better and secure solution. One can achieve user-friendliness with a repository of application profiles that are automatically downloaded when an application has permission problems. With a user-friendly GUI, it won't be hard to set permissions just like the personal firewalls in windows. I think that this is the best one can hope for and is trivial to implement in linux. In windows on the other hand...

julian67 said...

"
It must be horrible to think about the emptiness you would return to if people here would just ignore you. As of now you you are willing to keep offering your drivel because the attention even the negative attention is so much better than the empty sadness. The thought of that must scare you to death. I understand why you wouldn't want people to stop."


So don't respond! lol How fucking dense are you that you think this way and then respond anyway?

cock_in_de-anus out of all the sub-moronic blowhards here you are the dumbest of the dumb. You win the retard of the week competition. Prize? You get to post again......

Anonymous said...

@anonymous: I fully agree. The problem is that one cannot be both safe and ignorant of computer security.

We're not disagreeing on that basic point. But we ARE disagreeing on what can be done about it. It doesn't matter how many configurable profiles you Users don't understand that technology AT ALL. Nor do they understand the context for the underlying attempt at privilege behind a UAC prompt. I'm not sure how you can disagree with that. Users just don't understand, and you're not going to be able to educate them with a single prompt. All that they know is that their computer is trying to do something that it thinks is unsafe. THAT'S THE BEST THAT YOU CAN DO FOR THEM WITHOUT PROVIDING SECURITY EDUCATION. So, as I said, Microsoft did the best thing possible with UAC.

Since there's no way to prevent users from downloading and executing random executable e-cards, what is it that UAC offers, other than safer browsing (which would be trivial to implement if proper user isolation were possible in windows)?

It provides a consent model for privilege escalation. And, as I've pointed out above, that's the ONLY option for the vast number of users. They simply don't have a sufficient understanding of security technology to deal with ACLs, profiles, and the like. Seriously, what's your alternative? What are YOU suggesting that Microsoft do? I'm curious, because all that I see here is you ripping UAC without even suggesting anything but AppArmor and SELinux, which is a JOKE. Utter failure for the desktop.

Tr0n said...


This has nothing even remotely to do with academic learning.

Feels like I'm teach you basic reading comprehension. My comment was about the entire article. If you write an article promoting academic learning and end up just whoring an OS/Ideology, guess how the reader will react?



AC is a hack to work-around the broken administrator-only windows applications

Wow I go better tell the thousands of corporate users runing in limited user mode all these years that they are actually running in admin mode.


UAC does absolutely nothing to prevent malware from infecting the system, how hard is this to grasp?

LOL, who says it does? Re-read. Damn I think I'm repeating myself. Anyway there are many vectors malware uses to infect your system. Coming in as a payload through websites is protected from, by Protected mode IE. If you want you can also use windows defender, its pretty lame now, but its something.

And who says its better? I'm simply saying its realistic. I have no clue what you are ranting on about. You're injecting faulty claims I did not make.



My point is that the main advantage of vista over linux (GPU memory virtualization according to you)

OK, now you're going from the stupid-but-mildly-entertaining to raving-loon category. I never claimed anything as a major advantage. You're entire post is a huge reading comprehension FAIL.


A more user-friendly apparmor or selinux is a much better and secure solution. One can achieve user-friendliness with a repository of application profiles that are automatically downloaded when an application has permission problems.

More repository junk. yay. Make it even more difficult to ship quality software. Good going !! FAIL to the nth degree.

Anonymous said...

Regarding apparmor and selinux: there is no other way possible to solve the malware problem, why is this so hard to understand?

I'm sorry, but I have to agree with the other anonymous poster. You're thinking about all this the wrong way. You can't SOLVE the malware problem without unplugging your computer from the Internet. AppArmor and SELinux aren't the answer. I've used both and, honestly, they require a lot of knowledge about ACLs and permissions. You can't ask average users to do that. So, what you're proposing isn't a solution. Solutions work in the real world for the vast number of use-cases. You're not providing what average users need. Get it?

UAC does absolutely nothing to prevent malware from infecting the system, how hard is this to grasp?

Yes, it does. It requires consent. Without consent, the malware can't install itself.

Microsoft engineers have repeatedly said exactly this (there’s no guarantee that malware running on a system with standard user rights can’t compromise an elevated process to gain administrative rights) many times

That's only if (a) the user is running in an Administrator account -- no reason to do that, and (b) if the malware can conceivably use a shared resource for an elevated process. There's no reason for either to be the case so, really, you're not saying much.

what makes you think you know better? UAC is a hack to work-around the broken administrator-only windows applications. It's a hack to work-around a broken system. That it also functions like sudo is a side-effect.

UAC is a better alternative to running as root constantly. And, again, there's no reason to run as Administrator in Windows anymore.

Judging by your response, you consider apparmor and selinux "crap", because you neither have any idea what they're designed for, nor any idea what UAC is used for. This doesn't look good for a windows worshiper...

Since AppArmor and SELinux can't be used by the vast number of users, they ARE crap, as far as most users are concerned. Get over it.

Anonymous said...

Only a maroon brings up AppArmor and SELinux as useful security tools. Even LWN points out the many, many flaws in each:

http://lwn.net/Articles/239962/

and declares them failures because they're difficult to use.

That's it with lusers: they don't actually use this shit, but they think their linux shit smells better than everyone else's because, well, it's linux. But SELinux and AppArmor stink to high heaven, and when a Linux booster like Jon Corbet argues they stink, you know the battle is lost.

Anonymous said...

from the "8 Reasons" link:

//...you’ll probably face a few “challenges”. Now, someone who just want to do some word processing might refer to these as “problems” or “reasons to go back to Windows”, however, I personally find them one of the most exciting features of the operating system.//

Wow ... just, ... wow. Do these freetards have any comprehension about how 98% of desktop users actually think? What utter insanity. "It's not a bug, it's a feature!" Pot, meet kettle.

Anonymous said...

@julian67 loves the cock!

RockMeLinuxDamus said...

@Julian

You already know why. You are like a wind up toy all wound up and stammering about avoiding the truth and spouting drivel. It's amusing.

I understand you are scared to death of people tiring of it, so much so that you beg them not to stop. Don't worry it's still provides mild amusement for now.

Thanks for playing luser.

Tom said...

Wow ... just, ... wow. Do these freetards have any comprehension about how 98% of desktop users actually think? What utter insanity. "It's not a bug, it's a feature!" Pot, meet kettle.

Hmm, this article is not about desktop users, this is about CS students. It should be a challenge for them. I wouldn't like the future of IT to be a bunch of lazy bast*rds who can't take the challenge, or are too lazy to fix their own machine.

And, no, I wouldn't like a bunch of pimply Linux zealots either.

julian67 said...

"RockMeLinuxDamus said...

@Julian.."


Fail!

Dumber and dumber. What are your other pastimes....walking into doors? Tripping over steps?

You just love sucking it up.

Anonymous said...

Another great post. Great blog from linux hater. Keep up the good work". Keep up demystifying the worst OS ever released called linux (aka shitix).

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw&eurl=http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Richard_Stallman

nuff said!!

Anonymous said...

@julian67

Why must you be such a cockmonkey? You can't stop referring to linux and penis.

linuxhaterfan said...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw&eurl=http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Richard_Stallman


Hilarious ! Can anyone guess why he chose to bang on his linux laptop? Hint: It runs linux.

OMFG

julianlovescock said...

Holy shit. Stallman at his best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3uX5XwdN_8

Watch @ 2:34

"GNU + Linux is the combination of the GNU Operating System and a program, whose name is Linux"

LOL. Way to piss on everybody.

Anonymous said...

Your blog once had some valid points and showed some true problems and failures of Linux.

But since your blog has become more popular, it contains nothing but unconstructive rubbish, and it seems, like you've celebrating every poop someone, who is not happy with Linux, is writing down somewhere.

The old articles like "How to write a Gnome appication" are long gone, currenty, there's nothing but plain simple hate and FUD found. It's a pity :(

Anonymous said...


currenty, there's nothing but plain simple hate and FUD found. It's a pity :(


Why dont you go back to slashdot.. oh ... right.. oops

If you dont like it, stop reading. "We hate linux and so should you."

Anonymous said...

The old articles like "How to write a Gnome appication" are long gone, currenty, there's nothing but plain simple hate and FUD found. It's a pity :(

While Linux has many flaws, their numbers are finite and most of them have already been pointed out. Nothing much to be said, really.

Anonymous said...

While Linux has many flaws, their numbers are finite and most of them have already been pointed out. Nothing much to be said, really.

The number of technical flaws might be finite, but the Linux community seems to be an endless source of BS, exaggeration and FUD.

Sadly, many of these technical flaws are probably due to inflated egos in the community, and a lot of hate towards Linux is due to the fact that the Linux can't deliver what it promises.

Anonymous said...

But since your blog has become more popular, it contains nothing but unconstructive rubbish, and it seems, like you've celebrating every poop someone, who is not happy with Linux, is writing down somewhere.
Oh, come on... what is constructive in shitload of ./ bullshit posts about blue screens, viruses and stuff? What is constructive about endless bullshit on boycottnovell pages? What is constructive about endless ramblings and insults by Linux zealots on various forums and blogs?

This is the greatest problem for Linux. All this crap that has been written about Linux, and all these insults towards MS, Windows, Windows users and Microsoft employees make people hate Linux, Linux users and Linux community.
Many people simply don't want to listen to this crap anymore and they will not listen even to the serious and reasonable arguments. And, that is not the Microsoft's fault. You brought it to yourself.

julian67 said...

The number of technical flaws in Windows might be finite, but the Windows fanboys seem to be an endless source of BS, exaggeration, kleenex sales, and FUD.

Sadly, many of these technical flaws are probably due to inflated egos and rubber dolls in the community, and a lot of hate towards MS is due to the fact that the MS can't deliver what it promises.


fixed it for you

Anonymous said...

fixed it for you
Ha,ha, ha... you're so funny and original.

But, seriously, the post was about Linux and it's community. Why do you lusers have to drag Windows and MS into every discussion? You seem to define yourselves only in relation to Windows and Microsoft. You can't even imagine a world where there's no Windows to bash and Microsoft as an arch-enemy.

You are truly a totalitarian community. You always need an enemy to rally against. I lived in an communist country and we always imagined enemies all around. We couldn't live without them, just like the Linux can't exist without MS. It's really sad.

Anonymous said...

^ This is true. Even the funding for linux is for Anti-MS reasons, by IBM.


They just cant handle failure well.

Tr0n said...


While Linux has many flaws, their numbers are finite and most of them have already been pointed out. Nothing much to be said, really.

Among the flaws mentioned is that linux sucks for the desktop and is a complete failure. You agree?

If so, nothing much to be said, really.

Anonymous said...

The number of technical flaws might be finite, but the Linux community seems to be an endless source of BS, exaggeration and FUD.

Sadly, many of these technical flaws are probably due to inflated egos in the community, and a lot of hate towards Linux is due to the fact that the Linux can't deliver what it promises.


Of course. The root of all Linux problems lies in people, and management (or lack of). But hey, they still can believe they can fix these kind of problems by throwing even more heaps of source code :-)

Tr0n said...


"GNU + Linux is the combination of the GNU Operating System and a program, whose name is Linux"

Hah. Possibly the origin of the
"GNU/Linux" crap fest.

Anonymous said...

fixed it for you

Poor, pathetic Julian. Can't accept a world where his beloved desktop Linux has a 0.83% market share and his beloved server Linux has a declining market share.

The fact is, if Windows truly was hated to the point you think it should be, it wouldn't have a 90%+ market share. And for all your whining and complaining, the fact is that every day 9 out of 10 computer buyers consciously make a decision to purchase a Windows machine. They also consciously choose to walk by a FREE alternative. Think about it: Lusers can't even give away the damn thing!

Admit it: after a decade desktop Linux is a huge failure, a big flop. Except for one bright spot: it's kept lusers like julian largely confined to their parents' basements, occupied with compiling the latest kernel and debating whether emacs or vi was superior. Of course, some Linux users did manage to get into trouble -- convicted spy Robert Hanssen was a Slackware user -- but by and large between recompilings and pr0n collections lusers have been largely confined to posting masturbatory fantasies of world domination.

julian68 said...

Wow. It appears the lusers have given up. Sad.

Anonymous said...

You know, when it comes right down to it, I really don't hate Linux all that much. After all, "it's just a kernel" (gag) and a mountain of unsupervised, poorly written code, produced by people with bad hygiene and poor social skills. No, what I really hate are the PEOPLE that promote and defend Linux. Of all possible types of people, this 0.83% are among the most obnoxious, most vocal, most whiny, most vindictive, most egocentric, most argumentative, most self-esteem-challenged, most hypocritical, most delusional bunch of people that probably exist on this little planet. I just hate Linux PEOPLE. They're like the Jehovah's Witnesses of the software industry, always showing up when you don't want them to, shoving their religion in your face, and telling you how you're going to burn in Hell if you use anything but what they're offering. I'm sick to death of these lunatics. I don't want to read their "open letters to [fill-in-the-blank]". I don't want to argue with them about how evil EULAs are, while they ignore the lack of freedom inherent in the GPL. Ultimately, the defects of Linux people engender themselves in the code that they write (and which they defend) and, while I find it difficult to hate a piece of code, I don't like where it came from, or who's using it. That's what I hate.

Anonymous said...

Among the flaws mentioned is that linux sucks for the desktop and is a complete failure. You agree?

Sure. Every sane person would agree with that. After all, it's a fact, not opinion.

Anonymous said...

And, all these obnoxious users are really hurting Linux.

For example, I've been a member of Mandriva club for years. I pay a small yearly fee and I get some small benefits in return. Basically, it's a way to support this distribution. However, lately, a bunch of really awful, aggressive and vocal people came to the Mdv forums and they seem to take over all discussions. So, I probably will not renew my membership this year, which will have small, but measurable financial impact. This is shame, really, because I think that Mandriva is very good distribution, much better than overhyped Ubuntu.

The thing is that people who really want Unix OS on their desktops go with Mac, and sadly desktop Linux is left with lunatics

Anon E Moose said...

I think all of us who have seen the effect that members of the fruitcake brigade have on the Linux community can agree that they do far more to hurt than to help their own cause.

I'll echo the position stated above: I don't hate Linux (rather I'm continually disappointed in the lost potential, and the failure to deliver on rosy promises).

I sure do loath that paranoid lunatic fringe of Stallmanite cultists out there, though, who continually pronounce that the king has come, when he's not even gotten his knickers on the right way 'round yet.

LH: you have to get back to the quality posts, though, unless you enjoy these weekly shitstorms when the fringe sees another luser linkfest up there and jumps up to defend their god.

It's amusing, certainly, but it's the same old routine again and again and even a prat fall gets tiresome after you've seen it a few times.

Anonymous said...


LH: you have to get back to the quality posts, though, unless you enjoy these weekly shitstorms when the fringe sees another luser linkfest up there and jumps up to defend their god


That was another nice post from Linux Hater. Keep up hating linux. I hate linux too.
Don´t care about the lusers.

Go Linux Hater !!

Tr0n said...


Sure. Every sane person would agree with that. After all, it's a fact, not opinion.

I guess there are few sane people in the Linux camp then.

Tr0n said...


I'll echo the position stated above: I don't hate Linux (rather I'm continually disappointed in the lost potential, and the failure to deliver on rosy promises).


I think GPL is partly responsible for the chaos/damage, in terms of closed source companies investing in linux products.

julian67 said...

"You are truly a totalitarian community. You always need an enemy to rally against."

This blog is called linuxhater.

Look up irony in a dictionary ;-)

"I lived in an communist country and we always imagined enemies all around. We couldn't live without them, just like the Linux can't exist without MS. It's really sad."

I live in a western democracy and we imagine we have enemies all around (Muslims, foreigners, immigrants, animal rightists, underclass, drug dealers etc). We have surveillance cameras almost everywhere, our lives are minutely documented. I previously lived in a pseudo democracy while it fell to a military coup and was then ruled by a military junta. It had the same collection of fears and behaviours because they're generic. Defensive/tribal/paranoid mentality is a human trait that exists everywhere and is exploited by all groups. You only have to look at Mr Ballmers ravings about patents to see that this kind of posturing is to be found everywhere, from the powerful groups downwards. Communists have no monopoly on this.

"Poor, pathetic Julian. Can't accept a world where his beloved desktop Linux has a 0.83% market share and his beloved server Linux has a declining market share."

Actually I don't care if 1 or 1000 people or 1000 million use free software as long it's available if people want to. But a lot of people seem to care that people don't use free software and blog/campaign/astroturf against it.

"...confined to their parents' basements, occupied with compiling the latest kernel and debating whether emacs or vi was superior. "

Again the obsession with parent's basements. You people are weird.

And at this point you show your ignorance of reality and that you swallow other people's (very old) bullshit and spit it right out. Who compiles kernels these days? Very few people, it's completely unnecessary unless you're doing something like stripping down the kernel for use in an embedded device or to use on some truly minimalist hardware. It's got to be at least 5 years since compiling a kernel was something a typical desktop user might do. And this vi vs emacs cliche is old old old. I've never even seen this discussed outside of places like this where very ignorant people offer their opinions on a subject completely unknown to them.

Your boring second hand opinion is grossly out of date and you're an idiot.

Anonymous said...

@julian67: I live in a western democracy and we imagine we have enemies all around (Muslims, foreigners, immigrants, animal rightists, underclass, drug dealers etc). We have surveillance cameras almost everywhere, our lives are minutely documented.

Maybe that's the way it is in the UK, but not the United States. But, given that Britain has more of a history with bombings (IRA and others), that's not surprising. There ARE costs associated with living in a free and open society. And, while it's easy to say that anyone who sacrifices freedom in the name of security deserves neither, the reality is that we live in very different times than when those words were uttered. People weren't pipe-bombing Patrick Henry and Benjamin Franklin's houses...

Actually I don't care if 1 or 1000 people or 1000 million use free software as long it's available if people want to. But a lot of people seem to care that people don't use free software and blog/campaign/astroturf against it.

It already IS free and available. So, why the fuck are you here? Do you really think this blog has ANY impact on its freedom or availability?

Anonymous said...

But a lot of people seem to care that people don't use free software and blog/campaign/astroturf against it.

Heh. Boy, you are a luser to a T: Linux surely would have a 90 percent market share if it weren't for that nasty [insert enemy of the week] preventing the masses of learning of the joys of the command line and why xconf files are your friend! Good Lord, you are a walking luser caricature, julian. Bravo!

Just remember, old friend: 0.83% market share. 0.83% market share. 0.83% market share. 0.83% market share. 0.83% market share. 0.83% market share. 0.83% market share. 0.83% market share. 0.83% market share.

Anonymous said...

0.83% market share. The only stupid thing you can say.
I don't give a fuck about your stupid market share, like the grand majority of people can tell the difference between windows 95 and Vista, or even know that they can change something called OS in their computers.
Seriously, what is that market share? A new subconscious Freudian measure for your penises???
The day the users will be given any other OS from Apple, Google or $COMPANY they will be exactly as happy as they are with windows now.

RockMeLinuxDamus said...

They will be happy only if it just works. Which shows that it's not about windows it's about a coherent working system. Unfortunately linux and open source can't produce such a desktop system.

Anonymous said...

like the grand majority of people can tell the difference between windows 95 and Vista, or even know that they can change something called OS in their computers.
True. But, the ones who know choose Windows or Mac.
Seriously, what is that market share?
Big market share is something that lusers would like to have. Too bad, they are only have tiny.

And don't give me crap about company this or that. The sad fact is NOBODY wants desktop Linux. Don't you think that IBM (or some other FOSS community darling company) couldn't afford the big marketing campaign to promote Linux on the desktop? Or Red Hat? They don't do it because they do not want desktop Linux, and they know that they'd loose a shitload of money supporting it. So, they play safe with servers and controlled environment.

Why don't Canonical finance a big campaign? If marketing and advertising was enough (as lusers often claim), Ubuntu would have at least a few percent. But, it doesn't. Why?

Anonymous said...


Seriously, what is that market share? A new subconscious Freudian measure for your penises???

The dog eats last, after the servant, who eat after the master. (loose translation from my language)

So it looks like linux is the dog. and windows is the master. food is software and services.

i think everyone prefer to be master. dont you think so?



The day the users will be given any other OS from Apple, Google or $COMPANY they will be exactly as happy as they are with windows now.

no, i dont think so. there are lots of users who are aware of other desktop operating systems, mac and linux, but don't give a fuck about linux. surely u are not categorizing the market in such a imprecise manner?! what you're saying is actually insulting to users who are truly informed

Anonymous said...

I don't recall mentioning Linux on my comment. I'm just calling BS on this 'All the people uses it => it's very good' (aka market share) argument, that is a very known and very old fallacy.

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Anonymous said...

I'm just calling BS on this 'All the people uses it => it's very good' (aka market share) argument, that is a very known and very old fallacy.

Linux community usually uses opposite 'argument', which says that most of the users are stupid, almost to the point that they are unable to feed themselves, so they use whatever is given to them. They can't even consider the possibility that Linux non-users are smart, intelligent and competent, because that would mean that there might be a rational reason why these people don't use Linux. But, in their twisted minds, only a chosen few are enlightened and smart enough to see the truth and they use Linux.

Of course, this becomes a real problem. They can't allow the Linux to became popular, because that would put the true and faithful Linux users to the level of heathen and stupid Joe Sixpack, as they call them. So, they subconsciously sabotage Linux on the desktop, to prevent the destruction of their delusional self-image.

Anonymous said...

@julian67
You only have to look at Mr Ballmers ravings about patents to see that this kind of posturing is to be found everywhere, from the powerful groups downwards

There you go again... you really can't make a sentence without mentioning MS.

So, you say that if Microsoft and it's leaders use FUD, lies, arm-twisting and whatever, it's OK for the FOSS leaders and community to do the same? How are you (Linux community) different then? You always take the moral high ground, but you are just a bunch of hypocrites.

Anonymous said...

I use both windows XP and Ubuntu. Get a grasp on reality, as you always say to 'lusers'. 90% of the market share is with whatever the OEM installs, and that has been like that before MS rise.

No, I don't think that users of any operating system are stupid, as you constantly say they only want to get their things done, and as long as the SO just works, they are ok with it. And no, I wont recommend linux to people that dont really want to mess with the system.

Again: 90% Market share == whatever is preinstalled.

Anonymous said...

Again: 90% Market share == whatever is preinstalled.

Still, it leaves almost 10% of people who didn't choose Linux.

Besides, I'd say that many people choose Windows instead of Linux, for various reasons. I know a few people who have been (and still are) using various flavors of Unix , and many have tried Linux. Also, I know a few people who know what is Linux. Only one of them uses Linux most of the time (and he's already unhappy, after 2-3 months), and I use it about 1/3 of the time.

Again, you (or some other anonymous) are assuming that people use Windows because they are clueless and don't know better. Basically, you consider them ignorant and fools, and this is usual attitude from the Linux community and developers.

Anonymous said...

My point here is that using the % of users as a measure of quality is plain fallacy. And that applies to cars, music, religions, operating systems and geological models of flat earth.
A fallacy that is continuously being used in this blog.
Please, return to the other valid arguments.

Anonymous said...

My point here is that using the % of users as a measure of quality is plain fallacy.

I agree with that. But, you continuously spread another fallacy, that 90% usage of various versions of Windows are due to OEM preinstalled software. Your don't accept that some (or many) people who use Windows use it because they want to, not because they are brainwashed morons.

Anonymous said...

My point here is that using the % of users as a measure of quality is plain fallacy

Actually, I think that desktop Linux deserves more than it has. Also, it had (and, in my opinion, missed) a great opportunity to have a place that is now filled by Mac, that is, nice and good looking *nix desktop OS.

Of course, you can claim that the percentages don't matter,
and go with touchy-feely- community-freedom lingo, but, if some technology isn't used it is, by definition, irrelevant. Plain and simple.

Anonymous said...

Actually, I think that desktop Linux deserves more than it has. Also, it had (and, in my opinion, missed) a great opportunity to have a place that is now filled by Mac, that is, nice and good looking *nix desktop OS.

Linux missed this great opportunity because its developers were focused on the wrong target. They painted a bullseye on the market leader (Microsoft) when, in reality, they really should have pursued Apple's strategy; which was to take an already solid implementation of Unix (BSD), and put an outstanding UI on top of it. Apple was incredibly smart. They didn't have to spend their time trying to build not only a kernel but the widest matrix of drivers possible. They were able to constrain the driver matrix to only the hardware that they ship -- which means that they could guarantee a superior user experience on their own hardware, while Linux offered a mediocre or uneven experience on a broader spectrum of hardware. Apple totally exploited this advantage, focusing on better UI, and Linux fell further behind while its developers followed the poor strategy of trying to copy Microsoft. If you look at OS market share statistics over the past year, it is clear that Apple has taken away market share from Microsoft. Linux growth is still in the noise. As long as Apple continues to offer a superior Unix experience, Linux simply won't budge. And, really, why should it? Seriously, they aren't offering ANYTHING that exceeds what Apple is doing so, if you want Unix, you buy a Mac. You don't buy Linux.

julian67 said...

"@julian67
You only have to look at Mr Ballmers ravings about patents to see that this kind of posturing is to be found everywhere, from the powerful groups downwards

There you go again... you really can't make a sentence without mentioning MS.

So, you say that if Microsoft and it's leaders use FUD, lies, arm-twisting and whatever, it's OK for the FOSS leaders and community to do the same? How are you (Linux community) different then? You always take the moral high ground, but you are just a bunch of hypocrites."


No, but I'm sure you read it that way (because you're an idiot and getting it wrong and putting up a strawman is easier than thinking). I was directly replying to the point about "You always need an enemy to rally against." but you selectively chose to leave that out of your quote.

At no point did I say "if Microsoft and it's leaders use FUD, lies, arm-twisting and whatever, it's OK for the FOSS leaders...blah blah" You alleged that I said that, clearly I didn't and it isn't my view.

So apparently now it's mentioning MS that upsets MS fanboys. Last few weeks it was mentioning servers, then LH posted stuff about perl on REHL so you all had to move along. Fucking idiots. I mentioned Mr Ballmer because if we're talking operating systems and behaviour as mentioned by our friend from the ex-communist country then it's worth illustrating that this kind of behavious isn't exclusive to any particular group and that whether in a position of dominance or otherwise the behaviour is in evidence. That's not an endorsement or judgement, it's an observation. So is this: you're a fucking idiot, with the analytical skills of a dog turd.

"It already IS free and available. So, why the fuck are you here? Do you really think this blog has ANY impact on its freedom or availability?"

I'm here because it used to be a really good, entertaining, insightful and very very funny blog. It was entertaining seeing a few sacred cows getting slaughtered (apologies to Hindus and veggies) and seeing it done by someone who apparently had some knowledge as well as an axe to grind. Now I guess I visit here just because it's only a click away and it's fun to upset a few knuckleheads. There's also the vague idea in my mind that linuxhater might actually get back to doing something interesting instead of just attracting flies to his shit for the hits and click thrus. There's also the occasional (and increasingly rarer) person who posts something worth reading, but lately 99% of you are just freak show fuckwits. It's also pretty interesting to see this turn from something paradoxically meritorious into yet another www exercise in metaal masturbation and ego tripping by the blogger, and to see the kind of crap which floats to the top of the pond of fanboys. I guess 2 or 3 months is probably the limit for a blog like this (maybe a year or 2 if it was windowshater instead of linuxhater). The last blogpost that was anything more than cliches and crap was the bug report one, that was over a month ago.

So I guess I'm here just to wind up any fucking moron who's dumb enough to keep replying to me. Btw you're an idiot.

Tom said...

@julian67
So apparently now it's mentioning MS that upsets MS fanboys.

Ha, ha. You are the one who is upset here. Just read your posts. You are insulting everyone.

But, I don't think so. MS fanboys could be upset about some bigger things, like Google or perhaps Apple. Fringe OS whose relevance is diminishing daily is not a reason to be upset.

Actually, I believe that the real MS fanboy is glad when he reads something like this, because he know that the Linux community always thinks, speaks and breaths Microsoft.

No, you are upset, because you
seem to be smart and you know that the posts above yours are true, and that the Linux community fucked up everything. It wasn't some Microsoft's scheme or conspiracy. It was simple incompetence, quite a bit of arrogance and lots of hate and delusions.

our friend from the ex-communist country

Thanks. You are my friend too.

So is this: you're a fucking idiot, with the analytical skills of a dog turd.

Oh, what now? Are you calling all your friends turds and fucking idiots?

Anonymous said...

Again: 90% Market share == whatever is preinstalled.

You might want to ask yourself why they don't preinstall Linux. The answer is very simple: OEMs don't want to commit suicide.

Tom said...

You might want to ask yourself why they don't preinstall Linux. The answer is very simple: OEMs don't want to commit suicide.

Here in my country one of the biggest computer stores sells preinstalled Windows and Linux machines. Linux is a bit cheaper, otherwise they are identical. It would be interesting to know how many Linux and how many Windows machines they sell. And, even more interesting, how many people buy cheaper Linuxes and install pirated Windows on them.

Anonymous said...

Microsoft kicks babies in the face.

Anonymous said...

I'm just calling BS on this 'All the people uses it => it's very good' (aka market share) argument, that is a very known and very old fallacy

Large marketshare doesn't equate to good software, not on its own, at any rate. Nobody really implies as much directly.

However, you have to consider that there are reasons marketshare is gained and maintained, and "illegal practices and PR" aren't the only ones.

Sustained marketshare implies that a product is good enough for the people using it. You'd think people wouldn't be using a product if it wasn't. It's no more of a fallacy than implying that users are stupid and/or don't know there are alternatives, implying that if people knew about Linux, they'd be using it. Truth is a lot of people know that there are alternatives availible, yet the bulk of users don't use them, there's a reason for that, too.

Further, marketshare plays an important role in terms of the availibility of drivers and third party software. Companies don't target platforms nobody uses. If you're running a business and you have the choice between targeting 90%, 8% or 0.8% of the market, which do you choose?

Obvious answer is 90%. Some go for both the 90% and 8%. Most figure the 0.8% just isn't worth the effort. This is obviously a non-issue for FOSS developers who don't really care about making a profit, but barring that, why would a business settle for less than 1% of the market?

And on top of that there are other issues, too, which contribute to the lack of marketshare, and to the lack of third party interest. Unstable APIs, subpar ABIs, lack of standardization, pretentious userbase who assumes everyone is stupid, cultish userbase, hatred toward all things corporate, etc.

You need marketshare to gain third party interest, but so too do you need third party interest to gain marketshare.

What market share really is is a measurement of product usage. Insignificant market share means nobody is using the product. If nobody is using there product, it stands to reason that it doesn't meet the needs of the market.

If something that is given away isn't seeing any usage, it stands to reason that the market is not only willing to pay $100 for an operating system, it also stands to reason that yet again, the product doesn't meet the market's needs.

Consider that even trying to play the "moral high ground" card isn't working. This also stands to reason that a) politicizing software is absurd; it's a tool, not a way of life. And b) people are willing to sacrifice "freedom" (in quotes, because this freedom is only significant to developers, and even as such, to a small subset of developers) for something that meets their needs. Again, showing that the product in question doesn't meet the market's needs.

Lusers like to forget that computers, to most people are tools. Tools they use to get work done. If the OS doesn't allow for such to occur, it's largely useless, and goes unused, as evidenced by market share.

Lusers also like to forget that ultimately the OS is isignificant. People don't use Operating Systems, they use applications. Applications are the tools which get work done, if those applications aren't availible, the platform goes unused, again, made evident by market share.

You can dismiss marketshare as an insignificant unit of measure serving as a useless yardstick. And you can go on insulting people's intelligence. Or you can take it for what it is, people aren't using Linux because something is missing, and fill the void. Whatever floats your boat.

julian67 said...

"You might want to ask yourself why they don't preinstall Linux. The answer is very simple: OEMs don't want to commit suicide."

Dell, IBM/Lenovo, HP, Acer, Asus etc

HP is the world's biggest seller of PCs. Second is Dell. Acer is third, Lenovo is fourth. One in three PCs ships with an Asus manufactured motherboard. Soon they will all come with Linux pre-installed in the form of Splashtop/ExpressGate. Many already do.

So the four biggest OEMs in the world already ship linux pre-installed and are pushing it more and more.

You might want to ask yourself why you think the opposite is the case. The answer is very simple: you're a fucking idiot.

Anonymous said...

Soon they will all come with Linux pre-installed in the form of Splashtop/ExpressGate.

Wake me up when Linux comes pre-installed in the form of Vista replacement. Freetard ;-)

Horatio_Hellpop said...

@julian67

//So the four biggest OEMs in the world already ship linux pre-installed and are pushing it more and more. //

But are those desktop PC's, or servers? (not trying to troll, but honestly asking).

I checked some of the homepages for the above vendors ... and it's hard to find desktop Linux pre-installed ... why would that be, if they are "pushing" Linux installs? Again, not trying to argue, just asking your opinion

Anonymous said...

@julian67
Go and find Dell's Linux page.
See that large banner at the bottom of the page?
What does it means to you?
My own translation is "Danger! Useless!"

b0ris said...

One notable excerpt from the ntfs-3g faq:
"[Using characters like : \ | * in NTFS filenames in the NTFS posix namespace] is perfectly legal on Windows, though some applications may get confused. If you find so then please report it to the developer of the relevant Windows software.
...
Status: Not NTFS-3G problem."

I'm sure you'll get a speedy response from the developer of 'MyLittlePony Wallpaper Changer XP' or 'Porn Manager 2008' when you email them complaining that "Your app won't read the (perfectly legal) file 'choke on this winblowz c:\$IHeartMyLittlePony|\|' which I created using the NTFS posix namespace on Gentoo with FUSE-2.9.0-pre1 and ntfs-3g 1.2812. Plz fix it, thx. Oh and btw, Winblows sux, you should port your MyLittlePony wallpaper switcher to KDE 4.1 because every1 knows M$ is dyeing and Tux is going to dance on their grave!!1!".

Though otherwise ntfs-3g seems a decent project.

Anonymous said...

NTFS-3G is full of shit bugs.

Julian67_makes_child_porn said...

@Julian67: Shut up and suck some more FOSS dicks.

Anonymous said...

IBM/Lenovo

There is no such thing. Lenovo is a Chinese-based company. IBM does not make PCs at all. Plus, Asus doesn't offer a Linux PC or laptop under the Asus name. And exactly what Acer desktop model features Linux? Couldn't find one, dude. So your list of Linux desktop advocates in the PC world is pretty fucked!

C'mon, julian. Find me a preinstalled Linux desktop at Best Buy or Circuit City or Micro Center or even Fry's. Hell, Fry's doesn't even offer a preinstalled Linux PC -- AND THAT'S WHERE THE GEEKS SHOP. Only Micro Center offers a Linux laptop, and that's an Eee PC laptop.

Throwing up a custom Linux configuration on a website for the random order is not exactly an act of bravery or commitment to the Linux cause. Unfortunately, you fell into the typical freetard argument: because HP offers a Linux "workstation" (it's really a server configured for a single user; one of the OS choices is Red Hat Enterprise! for a "workstation"!) you assume the whole company is on the Linux bandwagon. It's not.

You're not a total idiot, but it amazes me you continually parrot the freetard line. When are you going to wake up and realize you're repeating FUD from freetards dumber than you?

But that's OK, julian. Just remember: 0.83 market share.

Anonymous said...

I checked some of the homepages for the above vendors ... and it's hard to find desktop Linux pre-installed ... why would that be, if they are "pushing" Linux installs?

Don't waste your time, he's clearly delusional. The only major OEM offering desktop Linux right now is Dell, and I wouldn't say they're trying too hard. I can't blame them.

Anonymous said...

@Julian67

How many of those Linux-equipped (-unequipped) PC's do you see in stores? They are buried deep in their web site with a warning giving you a link to machines with Windows!

Also, as other posters have said; it is inane to politicize an OS.h

julian67 said...

"Find me a preinstalled Linux desktop at Best Buy or Circuit City or Micro Center or even Fry's."

News just in: America is not the world.

"Asus doesn't offer a Linux PC or laptop under the Asus name"

ASUS EeePC. They have that in America too right?

"Splashtop comes to ASUS Notebooks
Complete range of ASUS notebook models provide 'instant-on' Internet and media access" - from http://www.splashtop.com/press_releases_detail.php?Id=23

So that's more than one Asus laptop, it's the entire fucking range you asshole. You're so dumb.

And how about "ASUS to preload Express Gate instant-on Linux on all new motherboards" from http://www.slashgear.com/asus-to-preload-express-gate-instant-on-linux-on-all-new-motherboards-1611670.php

So that's all their motherboards as well as all their notebooks. Are you so fucking witless that you can't even use google before opening your big dumb mouth?



"IBM/Lenovo

There is no such thing. Lenovo is a Chinese-based company. IBM does not make PCs at all."


Lenovo were IBM's manufacturer for Thinkpad. They bought the Thinkpad brand and the right to use the IBM name for a limited time and the Thinkpad brand permanently. Hence IBM/Lenovo.

"Lenovo is now the preferred provider of IBM-branded personal computers to our clients, and IBM will continue to provide financing and maintainance services for those PC solutions." - from http://www.ibm.com/ibm/us/en/pcannouncement/

I wrote IBM/Lenovo to avoid confusion in tiny minds. Yours apparently is too tiny.

I can't be bothered to dismantle the rest of your crap, it's too boring and you're too stupid. Try a fucking search engine you dumb cunt.

Anonymous said...

@julian67
Splashtop is merely a gimmick - it's hardcoded and non expandable. It's not a platform for anything, and it is certainly not a desktop.

The Asus Eee is a Nice little machine - when used without the awful XandrOS thing. XP works fine, and most of the machines are sold with XP (Ubuntu doesn't work quite well on the Eee, and running OpenOffice on that tiny processor is a pain - office 2003 works much faster).

The US isn't the world - from my tiny, non-US country, I can assure you that almost nobody here uses Linux full time. Non Windows OSs are not an option in any of the local shops - most people here use pirated copies of Windows.
As an anecdote - I've donated my anciet p3 667 mhz to a family in need, and since I then was a freetard, I've installed Ubuntu 6.06 on that machine. The very first phone call I've got from them was: "This thing sucks, can you please install Windows for us?". I remind you again - that was their first computer ever, and they didn't really have any other choices.
Let me repeat: even those without choice preferred not to choose Linux.

The only Linux user I've ever met was myself (since I now use a Hackintosh, and still spend most of my time using Vista). The local Linux forum got ~20 people, with only 5 people posting on a regular basis. The local, non US, Linux expo had an attendance of ~100 people, from all over the country. Most of them used Windows laptops, since they wanted to use projectors.

What more to you want to hear? Linux got less public interest than that 0.92% market share figure.

Anonymous said...

Regarding linux on laptops:

I saw an Acer model the other day that boots to a linux installation when one presses some media buttons. It looks like in a few years all PCs will have linux installed in one form or another (splashtop, small-form). The only problem is QA so far, most distributions are shipped with the mentality that QA is done by the end users.

julian67 said...

"The only Linux user I've ever met was myself "

which reveals your isolation or ignorance and hence your inability to make any useful or informed comment.

A couple of anecdotes about *anything* from someone who has never met anyone else who uses it is worth what? Nothing? Less than nothing?

To form an opinion on that tiny fragment of experience is spectacularly strange and the chance of that opinion/judgement having any validity or has to be infinitessimally small.

Anonymous said...

which reveals your isolation or ignorance and hence your inability to make any useful or informed comment.

Sure. Asserting every major OEM is preinstalling Linux because they are gonna include Splastop or similar shit is way, way more insightful and informed. Get out of the basement and have some fresh air for a change.

Anonymous said...

"
LH: you have to get back to the quality posts, though, unless you enjoy these weekly shitstorms when the fringe sees another luser linkfest up there and jumps up to defend their god."

God's a fraud bitch.

Anonymous said...

@julian67
Most of my friends are highly technical persons. All of my coworkers are Technical people, in the computing industry. Many members of my family are technical people. I'm exposed to way more than 200 people, my social cycles are (theoretically) much more likely to be trying different OSs, yet I've met no one who does.

Lets demonstrate this point by using a corollary:
I know about 4 gay people.
According to the interweb, 2.6% of the general population is gay. How many gay people do you know?

Anonymous said...

@julian67:

Hey, freetard. Why are you and your kind always hanging around here and getting all fired up about luser articles. You're all a bunch of hopeless jerks. Get a life will you.

julian67 said...

"Hey, freetard. Why are you and your kind always hanging around here and getting all fired up about luser articles. You're all a bunch of hopeless jerks. Get a life will you."

Why are you here fuckwit? Why is anyone?


I'm here mostly to needle simpletons and morons like you. You make it easy and you always bite.

You're right the articles are luser articles.

So what kind of jerk are you? A hopeful jerk?

You're also an asshole.

"Asserting every major OEM is preinstalling Linux because they are gonna include Splastop or similar shit is way, way more insightful and informed."

Yes it is, because shipping with Splashtop or expressgate or one of the other similar systems is indeed pre-installing Linux. It's not how you expect an OS to be installed but that narrow and ignorant perspective is your problem, and clearly not a deficiency shared by the world's four biggest PC vendors, all of which also ship full hard disk pre-installed Linux on desktop and laptop as well. The fact that you and the other anonymous cowards here don't know this, don't like this, and are too fucking dense to find it out all by yourselves doesn't alter tha fact.You're not just wrong, you're stupid and wrong and pathetically ignorant.

I don't know why you MS fanboys are obsessed with basements, maybe it's an american teenage or low iq thing? Is that where american parents keep the ritalin and twinkies?

You're all fucked up and fucked over.

Anonymous said...

all of which also ship full hard disk pre-installed Linux on desktop and laptop as well

Muhahaha.

I think you're just enjoying this and not even yourself believe what you're saying. Have fun :-)

Anonymous said...

ASUS EeePC. They have that in America too right?

Actually, they don't. THe Eee name is a separate brand in the US.

Anonymous said...

I can't be bothered to dismantle the rest of your crap, it's too boring and you're too stupid.

Typical freetard attitude: Rather than acknowledge they're wrong, they declare victory.

By the way, Splashtop isn't a Linux desktop: it's an instant-on technology that also WORKS WITH WINDOWS. From the Splashtop website:

"When you press the power button or a special hot key designated by your PC manufacturer, Splashtop starts in seconds – it is the first screen that you will see.
Splashtop is preinstalled on the hard drive or in the on-board Flash memory of new PCs and motherboards by their manufacturers. Splashtop is a software-only solution that requires no additional hardware. A small component of Splashtop is embedded in the BIOS of the PC – that’s the part that runs as soon as you press the power button.
Within Splashtop, you have the choice of running one of its applications, such as the Splashtop Web Browser, or booting your Operating System. Splashtop is compatible with any Operating System, including Windows and Linux.
Splashtop has similar networking capabilities to what you find in other Operating Systems. It can connect to networks over WiFi, LAN, xDSL, and cable. WEP, WPA, and WPA2 wireless security standards are supported."

Also, Larry Augustin is a leader for DeviceVM, the company behind Splashtop, so it's sure to fail.

To assert Splashtop is a Linux desktop is perhaps the stupidest thing EVER PUBLISHED ON THE INTERWEBS. It's like arguing everyone uses Linux because routers use embedded Linux. Sorry, but you lose big time if you think what's basically an embedded Linux is the same as a desktop Linux: it's not.

Keep repeating the mantra: 0.83 market share. 0.83 market share. 0.83 market share. 0.83 market share. 0.83 market share. 0.83 market share. 0.83 market share. 0.83 market share. 0.83 market share.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, but you lose big time if you think what's basically an embedded Linux is the same as a desktop Linux: it's not.

What! Didn't you know? Everytime time you search the web using Google, you're using Linux. We're all using Linux on the desktop! Weeee!

Anonymous said...

Why are you here fuckwit? Why is anyone?

To laugh at you, basically.

julian67 said...

"By the way, Splashtop isn't a Linux desktop: it's an instant-on technology that also WORKS WITH WINDOWS."

You're a bigger asshole than seems possible. When they say "works with windows or linux" that means it doesn't matter what OS is on the machines regular HDD, because splashtop (and similar) is an OS embedded into flash memory, separate from the HDD. You fucking prick, lol.

http://www.splashtop.com/faq.php#04

4. Is Splashtop based on Linux?
Splashtop has two components. One is a real-time operating system that runs out of the system BIOS. The second is an optimized Linux stack that boots rapidly and can run most Linux-based applications.


You dumb dumb motherless fuck.

Anonymous said...

@julian67:

Can't you go ONE comment without resorting to automatic contradiction and profane namecalling? As it stands now you just come across as a crass moron who really doesn't know what they're talking about.

Try making civilized comments with statements you can back up with facts and references for once.

Anonymous said...

What's the point of Splashtop or Express Gate? It's more or less a temporary environment. Boot times aren't that long really and most people leave their computer running anyway. Seems like another bullshit thing to confuse the crap out of consumers. I imagine lots of tech support calls being made due to confusion between being in the splashtop environment versus in the actual OS.

Anonymous said...

splashtop (and similar) is an OS embedded into flash memory

which makes it totally worthless. It also doesn't make it a desktop Linux, despite your assertions to the contrary.

BTW, Asus is not implementing the Linux stack -- it's only implementing the BIOS RTOS. You probably should check your facts before asserting something.

Why do you need to insult those who prove you wrong? Are you that angry that someone is actually challenging your freetard crap and finding it to be lacking? And why do you come back when you're so clearly always wrong? We're not laughing with you, dude; we're laughing at you.

Anonymous said...

Julian67 is right, splashtop is a linux installation that will soon be installed in many PCs by default. Why someone may think that it is windows-based is beyond me. Looks like the JulianHaters are back with a vengeance...

Anonymous said...

Julian67 is right, splashtop is a linux installation that will soon be installed in many PCs by default.

No one has denied that. But that is not a preinstalled Linux desktop. I know, I know, Linux fans struggle to grasp even the most basic concepts.

julian67 said...

"No one has denied that. But that is not a preinstalled Linux desktop. I know, I know, Linux fans struggle to grasp even the most basic concepts."

It is precisely a pre-installed desktop with the OS having the Linux kernel at its core. It isn't what we've been used to since the PC arrived, it's more capable in some ways (speed, power consumption) and much more limited in others (not customisable), but there's the desktop with panel plus launchers, applications for browsing, mail, chat photos, voip, clock etc. Obviously it isn't a substitute for a fully capable PC but for many people it will be all they need for most of what they do (not everything and not for everyone).

The more interesting thing about it is that it's merely the precursor to the next generation of hardware that doesn't use a old fashioned BIOS. Intel have done a lot with EFI, Apple use this with their hardware and Linux BIOS/coreboot can replace amibios, phoenix et al on various hardware and is in use on some devices such as the OLPC. One of the benefits is the same instant on facility seen in splashtop. On regular hardware it means boot to a console is about 3 seconds, which in turn means a full desktop environment might be up just a few seconds later (depending on hardware), that's a working desktop, not a wallpaper+panel+eggtimer+wait another minute before you can do anything.

Conceptually this is apparently difficult for some people because it's fairly new (tech is around 10 years old, implementation in consumer devices only very recent) and even the idiot's guide, faq, and flash demo can't penetrate some thicker unevolved pre-modern skulls and break through to the under-used grey matter.

Anonymous said...

Conceptually this is apparently difficult for some people because it's fairly new (tech is around 10 years old, implementation in consumer devices only very recent)

Dude, I was using Internet appliances a decade ago. Implementation in consumer devices also happened a decade ago -- and failed, miserably. HP did the same thing with a series of notebooks. It's not nearly as new or revolutionary or untried as you think.

What you're describing -- which, by the way, is NOT how Asus has implemented it, as there's no complete Linux stack and only a RTOS -- is screwed because it's not upgradeable and offers a limited environment (it won't run KDE or Gnome applications).

Plus, so what if it boots faster? Only freetards seem to obsess about a machine taking 2 minutes to boot instead of 3.

Anonymous said...

Why someone may think that it is windows-based is beyond me. Looks like the JulianHaters are back with a vengeance...

Nice sock puppet, Julian! And brilliant use of the straw man, to boot!

Anonymous said...

Linux still has issues but what's the defence for Windows Genuine Advantage?.

Step 1:Purchase a copy of Windows.

Step 2:Install and go through the hassle of finding key drivers for your hardware to work because Microsoft is too lazy to write them, Despite the billions they have.

Step 3:Contact Microsoft to get permission to keep using Windows even though you paid for it, Or be accused of being a pirate with nagware, And remember it will still keep watching your hardware.

The only advantage is to Microsoft, and god help us all.

Anonymous said...

@julian67
Yeh gods.
Splashtop is a BIOS replacement.
Embedded firmware. Boot time utility.
It's not a desktop.. it a device.
If Linux grand success is only at being a locked down, gimmicky appliance, it a pretty limited victory..

More like a pat on the head, and a popsicle given to the stupidest kid in the class for getting a D.

*yawn*

Obligatory Monty Python reference:

Linux [Calling after Windows]: "Oh! Had enough, eh? Come back and take what's coming to you, you yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to you! I'll bite your legs off!"

Anonymous said...

because Microsoft is too lazy to write them

And we all know how much time the kernel developers spend writing drivers.

Yeesh.

This myth that a new copy of Windows requires a ton of driver downloads simply has to stop, because it's typical freetard ignorance at work. Guess that? Device support on Windows is MILES beyond that on Linux. Miles. They're not even playing in the same solar system.

Meanwhile, even the crazies at lxer.com admit they hate using Linux:

http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/27765/

It's a sad day when the last hangout of the truly hardcore CLI advocates admit they hate Linux. Officially, all hope is now lost for desktop Linux.

Anonymous said...

Step 2:Install and go through the hassle of finding key drivers for your hardware to work because Microsoft is too lazy to write them, Despite the billions they have.

Idiotic. The point of having manufacturers produce hardware -- and then write drivers for their OWN HARDWARE -- is so that they can leverage UNIQUE ADVANTAGES in their hardware. Most of these advantages are proprietary trade secrets and, thus, these companies protect their intellectual property. If we had it YOUR way, what we would get is the Linux model: Where drivers are dumbed down to the lowest common denominator, stuff has to revert to software because they can't leverage advanced hardware capabilities (because they don't know how to unlock its potential), and drivers are horribly outdated and buggy. No thanks. I prefer to get my Windows drivers from my OEM or directly from the manufacturer.

Step 3:Contact Microsoft to get permission to keep using Windows even though you paid for it, Or be accused of being a pirate with nagware, And remember it will still keep watching your hardware

Red herring. 99% of all users get their copy of Windows preinstalled by an OEM, so this is only an issue for people who install their own OS -- which is a pathetically small number of people. Also, typing in a serial number and then having Windows check it takes all of 30 seconds. So, if that's too much of a hoop for you to jump through, clearly you're a lying sack of shit who's just trying to invent reasons why people should use your alternative toy OS; in which case, go fuck yourself. Nobody cares.

Anonymous said...

@julian67: "It is precisely a pre-installed desktop with the OS having the Linux kernel at its core. It isn't what we've been used to since the PC arrived, it's more capable in some ways (speed, power consumption) and much more limited in others (not customisable),...

Not customisable. You do realize that most people install ... APPLICATIONS ... on their PCs, right? Like iTunes. Games. Financial software. Your little, welded-shut black box isn't going to cut it. So, get over it. When Linux actually serves as a customizable desktop operating system, you can celebrate. Until then, people are going to treat this pretty much the same way that they treat the BIOS config pages.

Here's the desktop with panel plus launchers, applications for browsing, mail, chat photos, voip, clock etc. Obviously it isn't a substitute for a fully capable PC but for many people it will be all they need for most of what they do (not everything and not for everyone)."

Not only is it not a substitute, it isn't even worth the time to boot it up and USE it at all, given that my notebook comes out of hibernation in less than 30 seconds. This has all the markings of a technology chasing a non-existent problem.

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