Friday, October 10, 2008

Rants and Laughs 6


  • GregKH, kernel hacker extra-ordinaire, couldn't figure out to convert an avi of a video from his own conference to OGG format. Go open source!
  • Remember all those Linux netbooks? Well apparently they're so great, that they get returned 4 times as often as the same hardware running Windows.
  • John writes about his Ubuntu upgrade experience
    Im sure everyone reading this is aware of that feeling when you go and use a friends brand new $2000 Windows Vista computer. The way it runs so slowly with 2GHz of processing power at its disposal, crashes all the time and takes 6 minutes to turn on. It is brand new FFS. When I am in that situation it makes me feel like the entire engineering profession has failed me.
    I got that feeling with Ubuntu this week.
  •  Timothy Prickett Morgan at the Register writes about how Linux is what Windows wanted to be. Yes, an OS that supports a bazillion hardware platforms but has barely any useful applications. That's exactly what Windows wanted to be.
  • An article about how open source hippies have a hard time working at large corporations
    If possible, larger corporations that have open source components should do what they can to leave them alone and impose the very minimum amount of bureaucratic overhead on those teams. Results matter far more than process.
  • Mr. Toponce, once again, from Planet Ubuntu, talking about how Wikimedia has moved to Ubuntu. In the process, he points all the shortcomings of Fedora, for example "Fedora, although it strives for stability, never really gets that opportunity. Instead, each release is broken somehow, someway" or "Fedora places itself to be a test bed for new technologies and changes". Umm yea. Because every Ubuntu release is perfect, and Ubuntu doesn't ship bleeding edge stuff like Pulse Audio in a LTS release.. oh wait..
  • Don't you love it when open source folks fight among each other? I thought this whole thing was about cooperation.
  • A rant sent in by a reader about Linux and Marketing.
  • Another rant that shoots down common Linux claims.
  • A blog post suggesting that making your software free is a good approach amidst this global credit crisis. Right, because if you "Sell customers what they need, in their eyes its _just_ the right amount of support. Often this will exceed or equal the amount that you’d gain via licensing." And yea, when exactly are they going to buy this support? Like as a contract? Up front? So you're charging them more? And that's supposed to be attractive to them?
  • And finally, I thought Linux was about freedom and choice, and that extends to Satan warshippers. Apparently, distrowatch doesn't think so.

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Anonymous said...

Linux is the most advanced operating system in the World!

This post was created on a Linux desktop against a Linux web server. Linux end-to-end baby!

Anonymous said...

Boo Vista, all hail Stallman, long live Linux, death to Windows, etc. etc.

PS: Linux > Mac OS X >>>> Windows

Ing-Long Eric said...

More than two weeks and still no .ogg? I thought ffmpeg2theora is suppose to be "simple"...

Anonymous said...

Well you thought wrong there eric buddy.

Interesting there was a major kernel release today: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_27

mutant said...

All lintards do is build open source clones & call it the best thing ever. What does ogg offer that the other standards don't?. I am yet to come accross a single ogg only stream on the internet or anywhere. The extent of it's failure astounds me.

Anonymous said...

@mutant

Ogg is the mandatory video/audio format of Wikipedia.

Anonymous said...

Heh, yea.

Fedora is such assware.

Excercise for the reader: go install Fedora 9 and click on the Release Notes button. You'll get a lovely, helpful empty text area.

Quality stuff.


And as for Ubuntu: yea, it works, for about an hour. Then you get to watch your distro lock up, fall apart, and generally bit-rot.


The GNU/Linux desktop platform's sole hope is in a more polished and integrated set of upstream packages that work together with minimal effort.

We'll see.

Anonymous said...

Wikipedia gets something like 12,000 page views a second on a normal day. It is the #9th most visited website in the World. That whole operation is run by a total of 5 people and 400 moderately powered servers. Running Linux of course.

Anonymous said...

Fuck the Ubuntu Satanic Edition.

Bill Gates himself is The Devil incarnate, and the Ubuntu Satanic developers and users are hypocrites for not using Mugro$uck filth in the first place.

windows_dude said...

It seems I accidentally came to the Open Source Hater's blog, could someone point me to Linux Hater's Blog?

mutant said...

It seems I accidentally came to the Open Source Hater's blog, could someone point me to Linux Hater's Blog?

Satan, Lucifer, the devil, etc, etc What the difference?. Its all the same.

Linux, OSS, FOSS, FSF....etc, etc

Whats the difference?. Its all the same. Its the same sh*t coming out of the same ass....

Anonymous said...

sorry windows_dude, we are being attacked by the freetard brigade, please hold

Rick Roller said...

Wikipedia uses Linux? You fucking idiots see the words “hosted with Linux” and have a nerdgasm. Fucking boxes sit and push data from A to B. Even your sloppiest grandma OS could do that. Pull your pants up, your ignorance is showing.

Regarding OGG, it's a mediocre container format with no real advantages, which Wikipedia gets away with using because they use a Java player. Otherwise people would try to listen to audio clips and say “Why the fuck won't this play?” They only use it because they are pussies.

Finally, don't confuse OGG with Vorbis. As an audio codec, Vorbis is pretty sweet, though development is pretty much dead, there is one Japanese guy still improving it, oh.... and he uses Windows. I'm lucky enough to have a player that supports Vorbis.

mutant said...

ogg, ogg vorbis or ogg theora . Whatever it is, I have been hearing it from the Lintards from a very long time. Never got to see it for real. No one is using it, no one wants it, most people have never even heard of it...ever. Most REAl people stick with realplayer, WMV, mp3, etc . What new stuff these ogg 'formats' brought to the table is something we will never know.

All these Linsux fuck*ers do is copy something from others & make a FOSS close of it. Oh wait, they can't even get that right.

antifundies said...

Poor misguided fools.

FOSS is religious crap. People should know better.

Michael said...

I quit using vorbis because nothing supports it. Xiph can rail about patents all day but in the end it really doesn't matter, when's the last time a user got sued for using an mp3 encoder?

Anonymous said...

Is it just me or is the Freetard marketing meme the same no matter what condition the market is in?

e.g. the market is up - Companies will adopt FOSS because x.

the market is down - Companies will adopt FOSS because x.

News flash: Great Depression II will not cause anyone to use your half-assed software that doesn't already want to use your half-assed software.

mutant said...

If companies start using their half assed FOSS software, the great depression 2 will quickly turn into the 'Great cataclism'

Just imagine what will happen when all those managers, accountants, business people & other non technical types are required to recompile the kernel, type sudo apt-get lib-I-shitted-in-mypants-0.1.3 , upgrade the distro just to upgrate browser version, etc, etc . Productivity will drop like a rock. No work will be done. Companies will shut down, jobs will be lost, people will starve & die.

Anonymous said...

Hail Satan

Anonymous said...

Be careful paytards, or RS will get all gangsta on your asses, here is proof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pube5Aynsls&eurl=%3Chttp://blog.brosnahan.org/2008/01/17/go-stallman-superman-that-ho/

Anonymous said...

Screw Linux.

Welcome PC-BSD.

An interesting BSDTalk interview with Kris Moore of PC-BSD: They are working with Adobe to develop a native FreeBSD Flashplayer.

BSDTalk #159

OGG format so you might need Windows VLC or something.

Note: Kris wasn't exactly correct about FreeBSD 7 being incompatible with FreeBSD 6. He forgot to mention that the 6.x compatibility libraries exist for legacy apps.

compat6x

mutant said...

Be careful paytards, or RS will get all gangsta on your asses, here is proof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pube5Aynsls&eurl=%3Chttp://blog.brosnahan.org/2008/01/17/go-stallman-superman-that-ho/


Wow! . That was kickass!. Like a chimp aping an orangutan.....

Anonymous said...

Wow mutant.

RMS dancing to hip-hop?!?! My eyes are bleeding now.

Anonymous said...

AAaaaaaghhhhh!!!! MY EYESSSSS!!!!! My EYYYYESSSSSS!!!!! IT HURRRTTTSS!!!

Anon E Moose said...

I almost feel like a dirty voyeur when I follow a link to one of these OSS masturbatory wankfests...

I also do not see why Ubuntu SE should get listed on Distrowatch. It's just another MeTooBuntu, really.

Of course by that reasoning there are a few other MeTooBuntus that should be de-listed as well...

A theme does not a distribution make.

And a note to the Linutics that will be posting mini shitstorms about wiki here: Wiki = Linux *Server*. LH rants = Linux *Desktop*.

Go and run a server implementation as your primary desktop, with No GUI, No audio, No video, with such cutting edge console apps as pine, vim, and links, and then tell us how much better than Mac/Windows Linux is in the home because it's used in server farms :P

Anonymous said...

Representin MIT bitches!

RMS is a hero.

Anonymous said...

Anyone know the MSI Windows version return rate? If 1 in 10, people are not liking the Wind 10% of the time. Is it one in 50? If so, the 98% to 92% (Windows vs Linux) satisfaction rate is not that bad. It tells me that MSI needs to more prominently advertise the Linux version isn't Windows or work a little more to customize the stock install.

Acer, Asus and Dell aren't having this problem, but their versions are more customized.

Another question, where do you find a Linux MSI Wind? How have enough people found it to buy it to make a statistically significant sample size. Seriously, links needed, where can you find it?

Anonymous said...

This is the best netbook out:

http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/laptop-inspiron-9?cs=19&s=dhs&ref=homepg

Passive cooling bitches.

Anonymous said...

4 times as many Linux Netbooks are being returned compared to their Windows counterparts. Okay.

I'd like to know how many are being formatted and having a copy of XP installed on them.

Anonymous said...

@ October 11, 2008 11:16 AM

-42

Anonymous said...

It could also mean MSI is selling four times as many Linux machines.

Anonymous said...

Monzy is __THE__ fucking computer science gangsta!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4

killall -9 wintards

Stanford represent!

Anonymous said...

It could also mean MSI is selling four times as many Linux machines.

I doubt that, I just tried again. I can't find the Linux version for sale anywhere. The Windows versions, saturation push everywhere I looked. Even MSI's own site, the Linux option on their notebook page is defective. I'd be amazed if they have, to date, sold more than 20. The more you dig, the more it looks like a lame attempt on their Linux version. Oh well, they can do what they want, and Acer, Asus, Dell and all the others will own the Linux side of the UMPC.

Anonymous said...

Linux kernel 2.6.27 released

http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_27

Anonymous said...

Yet another idiot windows user who doesn't know how to use software.

These idiots just can't get the fact that their bloated unstable piece of wincrap is a piece of junk

Anonymous said...

bloated unstable

you mean something like compiz fusion?

Anonymous said...

It could also mean MSI is selling four times as many Linux machines.

No. It. Could. Not.

The summary is accurate: the RATE is four times higher. If Windows machines are being returned at a 2 percent rate, the Linux return rate would be 4 percent.

Cripes. No wonder you freetards can't put together a usable OS: you can't frickin' read.

Anonymous said...

i used to hate Linux although i have never tried it b4. im a c#, wpf programmer ( i live and i get paid by tools made by Microsoft, maybe that explains why i used to hate Linux). one day a friend of mine came with a program he wrote that manipulate data using a database. when i saw the interface and the performance of it i was really impressed ... how could u do it i said, did u use the ugly mfc, win32 api ??? of course not, i used Qt, he said . its a c++ toolkit ... aha i said, the ugly c++ code ?? but when i saw the code and how elegant and beautiful i was really shocked ... wow. since that day im working hard to learn c++ and the Qt. im very impressed with the freedom and the options available. Qt/c++ really made me see that there r other options other than Microsoft.

Anonymous said...

If Windows machines are being returned at a 2 percent rate, the Linux return rate would be 4 percent.

EPIC FAIL.

Cripes. No wonder you freetards can't put together a usable OS: you can't frickin' read.

And you can't do elementary school mathematics.

This calls for a victory dance, MIT style!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pube5Aynsls

Anonymous said...

"bloated unstable

you mean something like compiz fusion?"

I think you meant to write vista.

Anonymous said...

its a c++ toolkit ... aha i said, the ugly c++ code ?? but when i saw the code and how elegant and beautiful i was really shocked ... wow. since that day im working hard to learn c++ and the Qt. im very impressed with the freedom and the options available. Qt/c++ really made me see that there r other options other than Microsoft.

That's nice, good for you. But I fail to see what that has to do with Linux. I mean, you know those guys made a living by selling commercial licenses for Windows software, right?

Anonymous said...

You guy dont have A FUCKING CLUE, right?

Im using ubuntu, and i NEVER, EVER had any really bad bugs.

If you cant stand it, then stick to windows or mac.

go die in a fire kthxbai

Anonymous said...

I went to a computer lab running Windows today. Put in my flash drive (TeX Live Portable bitches, fuck MS Word), but hey the fucking OS BSODed! I just LOL'ed and left.

Thank you WINDOWS for reminding me why I use Linux!

Oh and you Wintards who are like LOL sound sux on linux: worksforme, worksforme, worksforme. Boo hoo.

Anonymous said...

Linux 2.6.27 was released today, I wonder hater why don't you cover how much it sucks.

kerensky said...

The trouble is the comments here are becoming a subset of COLA. But maybe that was it's eventual fate.

Anonymous said...

The summary is accurate: the RATE is four times higher. If Windows machines are being returned at a 2 percent rate, the Linux return rate would be 4 percent.

Cripes. No wonder you freetards can't put together a usable OS: you can't frickin' read.



Speaking of using your head, 2X4=4? :D

penguinrage said...

good blog. it reminds me why I left linux on the desktop ;)

thecodewitch said...

Freetards aren't even good for lulz any more.

I wonder if the slowness of the freetard traffic coincides with some ubuntu automatic install that has just fucked all their machines.

Anonymous said...

Oh and you Wintards who are like LOL sound sux on linux: worksforme, worksforme, worksforme. Boo hoo.

Wake us up when Linux WorksFor95%OfComputerUsers.

Right, ain't never gonna happen.

Anonymous said...


I went to a computer lab running Windows today. Put in my flash drive (TeX Live Portable bitches, fuck MS Word), but hey the fucking OS BSODed! I just LOL'ed and left.


I think you mean this crash?

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/257666

Terrible ...


No Wonder Linux is garbage. 0.91123% .. ooops 0.91120% - someone just returned a netbook. LOL

mutant said...

bI wonder if the slowness of the freetard traffic coincides with some ubuntu automatic install that has just fucked all their machines

It must be their new kernel which blew something

erdizz said...

This r&l round was pretty good. Thanks, dude! Don't stop loading us with all this shit, we need it badly.

mutant said...

The Linux hater should publish articles on individual FOSS apps

I would love an article on Flight Gear. The program sucks so badly that is almost unusable for personal use. On Linux, most likely you will never ever see the plane. You will never ever actually get into the plane. On windows, you will see the plane, but the plane keeps turning left for reasons unknown & eventually crashes.

FOSStards cannot keep themselves from praising that piece of crap. They love to claim how it so far ahead of MS Flight Simulator.

I hope they all loose their dicks
in some accident

Anonymous said...

You Wintards don't get it. Linux can do things Windows can't do. Watch and weep

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxfSwzhSn1c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ImW0-MgR8I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPH32M_U2D8

LOL. Linux FTW. Now go back to buying hardware upgrades, Norton subscriptions, or new versions of word, or whatever it is you do. I'll keep enjoying my FREE software that runs on ANY hardware. You fucking retards don't get it. With Linux you get everything for free, and don't have to upgrade, instead of being nickle and dimed with Miscro$oft Winblows. LOL. And it takes 2 seconds to get new software. Just open up synaptics and type it in. No downloading fucking spyware and shareware. and you use Open Office instead of fucking M$ Office. It's much less bloated. LOL

Anonymous said...

Let me guess... more Compiz videos?

*yawn*

Anonymous said...

Wintard wrote:
Let me guess... more Compiz videos?

*yawn*


You still don't fucking get it. Blogger runs on Linux, Wikipedia runs on Linux, all of Google runs on Linux. Linux is taking over. Micro$oft's days are done. People are seeing the wonder of Free software. Open your fucking eyes.

Anonymous said...

People are seeing the wonder of Free software. Open your fucking eyes.

Don't worry. The day video, sound, and wireless works on Linux, I'll switch (ehem... again. Yes, I was a Linux luser).

Not gonna happen anytime soon though. But keep posting Compiz videos, they're nice to watch. Very entertaining.

Anonymous said...

how many time do we have to tell the freetards that in this blog we are talking about Linux in desktop? An by the way, Linus in the server market is declining...

Anonymous said...

*Linux.... ;)

and i own a desktop not a useless server mmkay?

mutant said...

Blogger runs on Linux, Wikipedia runs on Linux, all of Google runs on Linux

Ahem.... these organizations run Linux on the SERVER. The SERVER. yes thats right- THE SERVER. Can you hear that freetard???. Can you read this text???. Or have you been unable to get that gfx card running in Linux?. Did your new kernel update break the display too???

Linux is taking over.
Yeah....yeah....like taken over 0.91% of the market in 17 years. Wow!. Thats awesome. Another 17 years to reach 1.82%....

Micro$oft's days are done.
Steve ballmer is..like...totally pissing in his pants right now...

People are seeing the wonder of Free software.

Yeah like everybody is downloading Linux & the Linux laptops are flying off shelves &...& ipod & wifi & audio & video & all work seamlessly in Linux & we ...like totally solved the economic crisis....

Anonymous said...

More rotating cubes....thats what I'm totally looking forward to doing on my computer.

Anonymous said...

and you use Open Office instead of fucking M$ Office

except that on windows one can CHOOSE to either use Office or Open Office, on linux one is FORCED to use a program that is heavier and slower than Office XP, and at the same time less functional...

if i were you, i wouldnt assert that's a linux added value - when in fact you are highlighting the fact that the user has LESS CHOICE of available applications, that is a deficiency...

mutant said...

This also dmonstrates an important point about the freetards

If 'x' is present in Windows, it is 'terrible, horrible, bloated...'

If the same 'x' is present in Linux/FOSS, its a feature

If 'y' is missing in Windows, it is a deficiency

If the same 'y' is missing in Linux, it is again a feature

Anonymous said...

you use Open Office instead of fucking M$ Office. It's much less bloated.

What you smoking, boy? OpenOffice is hundreds of times slower than MS Office. OpenOffice is way more bloated, Loon boy!

Read and weep, Freetard dummy!

mutant said...

Normal human - openoffice is bloated. Read proof here

Freetard - Wow!. It must be a feature!. woohoo!

Anonymous said...

I mean, you know those guys made a living by selling commercial licenses for Windows software, right?

Actually no, Trolltech CEO once said that linux compatibility had brought to them half of their customers. Add to that QA done by KDE users and developers and the bugs they fix, and you should see how wrong you are.

except that on windows one can CHOOSE to either use Office or Open Office, on linux one is FORCED to use a program that is heavier and slower than Office XP, and at the same time less functional...

Office 2003 installed fine using wine here... Less functional doesn't mean anything to most people that use an office suite for simple documents and spreadsheets.

What you smoking, boy? OpenOffice is hundreds of times slower (sic) than MS Office. OpenOffice is way more bloated, Loon boy!

Only at zdnet would someone benchmark office suites, if it would give an advantage to MS... (I'm not saying that oo.org isn't slow or bloated. This is further evidence that they're paid by MS^H$ for more than just advertising).

Anonymous said...

Actually no, Trolltech CEO once said that linux compatibility had brought to them half of their customers. Add to that QA done by KDE users and developers and the bugs they fix, and you should see how wrong you are.

So you're trying to tell me that Trolltech survived by selling licenses to software companies that make products for 0.9% of the market. Right.

KDE might serve as testing ground, but they're not paying costumers, you know.

Anonymous said...

OpenOffice might be bloated but OOo 3 is suppose to be leaner and more responsive.

Check out OxygenOffice Pro if features are a concern.

There is also Softmaker Office 2006 and 2008, KOffice, Gnome Office, and Microsoft Office 2003 and 2007 via Wine.

http://www.softmaker.com/english/ofl_en.htm

Anonymous said...

"Office 2003 installed fine using wine here... Less functional doesn't mean anything to most people that use an office suite for simple documents and spreadsheets."

Wine is not a reliable piece of software.
Plus, to further the irony, office2003 + wine is still faster than OpenOffice..

"Only at zdnet would someone benchmark office suites, if it would give an advantage to MS... (I'm not saying that oo.org isn't slow or bloated. This is further evidence that they're paid by MS^H$ for more than just advertising)."

Boo hoo, Open Source is never wrong. It's a conspiracy! You're a Muslim, ain't cha?

mutant said...

This is further evidence that they're paid by MS^H$ for more than just advertising).

Any test/benchmarking where OSS loses is due to some conspiracy or some manipulation. Gosh, its surprising how similar FOSS is to the state of Oceania as describer in Geaorge Orwell's 19824

Anonymous said...

So you're trying to tell me that Trolltech survived by selling licenses to software companies that make products for 0.9% of the market. Right.

Trolltech receive almost half of their customers through their connection with KDE. Just right.

KDE might serve as testing ground, but they're not paying costumers, you know.

I never said they are. Many improvements to Qt are suggested or even provided by KDE developers, for example the Phonon multimedia framework.

Wine is not a reliable piece of software. No kidding. MS Office isn't the most reliable piece of software either. It was stable in a few tests I ran here.

Plus, to further the irony, office2003 + wine is still faster than OpenOffice.

That's the price to pay for platform-independence and bad design decisions from the beginning.

Boo hoo, Open Source is never wrong. It's a conspiracy! You're a Muslim, ain't cha?

I'm as much a Muslim as you understood what I wrote above. It's even funnier that I expected that people would misunderstand it and clearly explained it in parentheses.

@ mutant
Any test/benchmarking where OSS loses is due to some conspiracy or some manipulation. Gosh, its surprising how similar FOSS is to the state of Oceania as describer in Geaorge Orwell's 19824

That's great. Two already. Mutations aren't always an advantage and it shows.

mutant said...

Big Brother = Richard M Stallman
Ingsoc = GNU/FSF
Eurasia = Microsoft
East Asia = Apple
Immanuel Goldstein = Bill Gates
Inner party = Linux Torvalds & gang
Outer party = Fosstards
Minitrue = Defective by design
Miniplenty = distrowatch
Proles = general public
unperson = Linux hater

Maybe someone can find more similarities.

mutant said...

MS office is far superior to that bloated piece of crap they call openoffice . Fosstards have been giving it away free for so many years & yet no one wants it. Shows how good it is.

Anonymous said...

Trolltech receive almost half of their customers through their connection with KDE.

LOL. What did you expect him to say in a KDE event? That all his profits come from Windows customers?

mutant said...

Thought crime = criticizing Linux/FOSS

O’Brien= Mark Shuttleworth

Julia = Novell, Red Hat, etc, etc

Anonymous said...

If Linux was 1984 does that mean has taken over the World? Sounds good to me!

Anonymous said...

PS: Both OpenOffice.org and MS Office suck hairy nutsacks.

If you want real professional documents, you have only one choice right now - LaTeX. LaTeX is the only accepted format of the American Mathematical Society by the way. You'd be very smart to learn if you want to communicate with the big gangstas in computer science as well.

PSv2: Vista sucks, Linux rules!

VICTORY DANCE - MIT STYLE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Pube5Aynsls

Anonymous said...

Wow Windows users are dumb. Thank God I use Linux.

Anonymous said...

all of Google runs on Linux

No they don't. The servers run Linux. Most of the desktops are Macs or Windows machines.

Anonymous said...

Office 2003 installed fine using wine here...

A real freetard suggestion. Running Linux just for running Linux. Why not just using Windows and skip wine?

You know, if you have just one application in wine, your Linux is ridicoulous.

Anonymous said...

The quality of both the freetards and the Wintards has dropped significantly.
Where's Julian67? Where .net jerkface? Where's Codewitch?

All the fun guys have gone, and we've left with the morons.

Shut up, morons.

Linux is a terrible failure. Now fuck off.

Anonymous said...

@ mutant
Fosstards have been giving it away free for so many years & yet no one wants it. Shows how good it is.

OpenOffice is a huge OSS success. I've seen it installed almost everywhere, even OEMs have started shipping PCs with it installed. Microsoft is actively promoting Office in universities with huge discounts. When MS starts seriously restricting piracy, be assured that they lost the battle. Seriously, the mutation is starting to affect your perception of reality...

LOL. What did you expect him to say in a KDE event? That all his profits come from Windows customers?

I don't know what makes you think you know better than the Trolltech CEO, or are able to judge what the effect of linux support on Trolltech's profits is. These are examples of commercial QT software for linux: mathematica, google earth, virtualbox, kst (paid development). The single Windows only proprietary QT program I know of is the installation program for an ADSL router driver.

If you want real professional documents, you have only one choice right now - LaTeX.

Agreed. MS Office is the most buggy program I've ever used. I avoid editing documents with it for fear it might corrupt them (office 97-xp, especially OLE objects). I honestly wonder how corporations put up with it and the time wasted to work around its bugs. Only Access is some relatively good software, especially for rapid database front-end development. Even after the ODBC crash, rumoured to be deliberate.

A real freetard suggestion. Running Linux just for running Linux. Why not just using Windows and skip wine?

I've answered this question before. Is this your last resort for an argument?

Linux is a terrible failure.

If you say so.

Now fuck off.

Nope.

Anonymous said...

I don't know what makes you think you know better than the Trolltech CEO, or are able to judge what the effect of linux support on Trolltech's profits is.

0.91% market share.

thecodewitch said...

The quality of both the freetards and the Wintards has dropped significantly.
Where's Julian67? Where .net jerkface? Where's Codewitch?


What now calls?

You Must Construct Additional Pylons!

Adun Toridas!

etc.

I wonder when Starcraft 2 is coming out for Linux?? I'd better start a petition to harass Blizzard's employees about this right away.

I need all their source code too. It is unethical, even criminal if they don't give me all their "teh codez" right fucking nao. NAO!! The president of Freetardia, Richard Motherfucking Stallman demands it. Surrender your flesh! I needz teh codezorz!

FTW!

thecodewitch said...

After I posted that comment, out of morbid curiosity, I tried a google search of "Starcraft 2 linux".

In the few milliseconds before I hit enter, I was thinking, "no fucking way. No way. These are fellow human beings we're talking about - no way they would be this clueless, this stupid."

How wrong I was:

http://www.petitiononline.com/ibpfl/petition.html
http://digg.com/pc_games/Help_get_native_Linux_support_for_Starcraft_2
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-480745.html


You've got to be fucking kidding me. Then again, this world is full of batshit insane people. Maybe I'm batshit insane too.

If you need to be told why a petition to blizzard asking for a linux port is a truly bizarre, idiotic, arrogant, incredibly stupid thing to do, you're beyond help.

Nonetheless, here are 2 clues to help you:

1) Userbase is a handful of non-paying, freetard ubuntu forum posting non-entity fucking rejects who make up less than 1% of the total computer owning population.
2) It turns out Linux isn't an actual platform, because binary compatibility changes on a weekly basis. Better open up those veins and let Stallman and his legion of chimps feast on your source codey flesh.
3) 3D card vendors don't support linux, so you can forget about using vertex shaders/pixel shaders/any feature not supported in MesaGL. (You technically can't even rely on OpenGL, since hardware acceleration may not be available)

Go ahead freetards. Tell me all about how no user should require the latest features supported by graphics cards, or how an operating system doesn't need to enforce some binary compatibility, or how everyone should open up their source code.

The big open source pusher himself, Bearded Stallmanic Wobbly 5 Star Freetard General Richard Stallman, hasn't written a line of code in 15 years.

For the billionth time - documentation is much more valuable than source code anyway. Source code is not timeless. Source code is bound to a machine, and bound to libraries it needs. Its the concepts behind the software, the thing you can communicate to other people thats valuable.

Pardon the lack of lulz in this comment.

Stoopid fracking fiddle faddle trading freetard fuckfuckers.

thecodewitch said...

That third clue was a bonus easter egg I added. FTW!!!

the_pld said...

Fun fact: The image verification for Blogger's comments is not loading on two of my Linux installs in FX 3.0. How incredibly appropriate.

Anonymous said...

//If Linux was 1984 does that mean has taken over the World? Sounds good to me!//

No, he's saying that Linux has been trying to take over the desktop since 1984. And it still only has .98% marketshare. (please see the sarcasm in my post, you freetard fuckwits.)

Anonymous said...

@anonymous October 12, 2008 5:59 AM

With Linux you get everything for free, and don't have to upgrade, instead of being nickle and dimed with Miscro$oft Winblows. LOL. And it takes 2 seconds to get new software. Just open up synaptics and type it in. No downloading fucking spyware and shareware.

Sounds great, let's take Synaptic for a spin:

sudo apt-get install Working Flash
sudo apt-get install Visual Studio
sudo apt-get install Photoshop
sudo apt-get install Modern Games
sudo apt-get install Better Sound

Nope, not quite there yet.

Anonymous said...

You know whats funny, our company holds a semi-public meeting every so often.

We occasionally get these freetards come in, put their hand up and say "You should be using linux to reduce your costs", we quietly dismiss it or say that it just doesn't cut it, as it isn't a question anyway, then they get shitty and keep doing it, so we get security in and remove them from the building, while they are writhing about as the guards throw them out onto the street.

Fucking annoying but funny as well.

Anonymous said...

Did your new kernel update break the display too???

That isn't really a fault with the software, just the jackasses that code it not liking certain licenses because they don't fit their re-definition of free.

Basically, they break the API because they are assholes. More people need to call them on this anti-social behavior.

Anonymous said...

Some 17,000+ little freetards signed the petition for Blizzard products. It's pathetic.

The bums haven't gotten very good at begging, though. This is what they say in the petition: "It is only fair that Blizzard's products designed for both Windows and Mac should be made compatible with Linux as well, especially due to the popularity of Blizzard's released products (StarCraft, WarCraft, WoW, etc.) and their upcoming releases (StarCraft 2)."

It's unfair if popular products are not released for Linux? Why? You released some half-assed software for free, so the world must take pains to support your little OS, huh? Does the world owe you?

The world doesn't owe you, but it may have supported you, if you bums didn't come up with 972 incompatible variants of your little OS. And, if there is a single sane way of installing a closed-source application on most of those variants. And, if you maintained a reasonably stable platform that third parties can depend on. And, if you bums parted with a little cash every now and then to buy some software.

.net jerkface said...


Where's Julian67? Where .net jerkface? Where's Codewitch?

All the fun guys have gone, and we've left with the morons.


Julian67 disappeared after my lifetime virgin comment, which I knew that he would.

How did I know?

It is because everything that has transpired has done so according to my design. Soon the rebellion will be crushed and young Julian67 will be one of us!

The denial force is strong in him. He will be useful to the empire, not like the amateur rebels that currently plague this place.

When he joins the dark side, I shall call him: darth julius

thecodewitch said...

When he joins the dark side, I shall call him: darth julius

And I shall call him Padme.

Anonymous said...

I don't know what makes you think you know better than the Trolltech CEO, or are able to judge what the effect of linux support on Trolltech's profits is.

0.91% market share.


Lets put some things in perspective, shall we? Trolltech sells a platform-independent toolkit, if OS marketshare had such an effect on their profits as you claim, there would be no reason for them to support linux at all. Actually, there wouldn't be a reason for them to exist at all. Do you know of any Windows-only, commercial, QT-based software?

The world doesn't owe you, but it may have supported you, if you bums didn't come up with 972 incompatible variants of your little OS.

Agreed.

And, if there is a single sane way of installing a closed-source application on most of those variants.

There is. Commercial software does exist on linux, commercial installers too.

@ .net jerkface & company
When he joins the dark side, I shall call him: darth julius

It's obvious that some people genuinely hated him, now it seems some are obsessed with him. Speaks volumes.

Anonymous said...

"Because every Ubuntu release is perfect, and Ubuntu doesn't ship bleeding edge stuff like Pulse Audio in a LTS release.. oh wait.."

Ubuntu is not perfect but Fedora is even less perfect, please. They *always* have lots of broken stuff each releases and always in some obscure way, at least when there's something wrong with ubuntu you can learn what to do immediately on the forums or wiki.

I am a linux user since 97 and tried every Fedora release since the first Fedora Core, so it's not blind ubuntu love here. Fedora emits the smell of wrongness. SeLinux nagging you, python applets with lots of typo.. the best example of how a python applet with lots of typo can do to you is the fedora release that shipped with a broken SCIM activation applet. Because since the introduction of that applet, no one configures manually the launch of SCIM, there was no up to date instruction on the web, anywhere, that told you how to activate SCIM manually. So when I installed that shitty Fedora with broken SCIM applet, I spent literally two hours to learn the black magic I had to do to make SCIM actually work because the instructions to manually configure SCIM are very distribution specific and not standardized and no one wrote one for Fedora because everyone relies on that applet that has been broken that time.
This is just an example, stuff like that can be found two or three time per release and I could write a whole book on how Fedora is broken and should never used on a production server or desktop. It's a rolling release, anyway, when there is a new linux kernel version even old fedora can upgrade to it, they don't have a policy of backporting patches which is insane because new kernels can introduce new bugs on some hardware. The fedora bugzilla is full of those poor sods who updated their fedora and found they couldn't boot the new kernel and had to patch the old kernel themselves to get a new security fix and stuff like that.
Ubuntu backports stuff, they don't introduce new versions on stable release.

Fuck Fedora.

Anonymous said...

julian67 was fun, because he was persistent.
He could be proved wrong hundreds of times, in hundreds different ways, and still come back for more, usually without even changing the argument. He was a troll's troll, a freetard of the highest rank.

It's boring without our favorite toy.

Anonymous said...

Eat this fucking wintard$:

Richard Stallman hires Blizzard to port all games to GNU/Linux!

Source: http://www.fsf.org/news/GNU-game-collection

thecodewitch said...

Eat this fucking wintard$:

Richard Stallman hires Blizzard to port all games to GNU/Linux!

Source: http://www.fsf.org/news/GNU-game-collection


Well done sir.

Saying Richard Stallman is hiring or otherwise collaborating with some company, especially a non-freetard company is worth 2 interblags. (The beard curling douche even hates Trolltech because although Qt source code is available, he thinks it isn't free enough, hence, FORK!!! Gnome instead of KDE)

Making me believe that what you were saying is true long enough for me to follow the link you posted - 2 interblags.

That brings your total earnings to ...2 + 2...(calc.exe) *fucken mouse!!*...4?? Yes 4.

4 interblags for you. An interblag will be worth the same as a US dollar soon so, go buy yourself a pie or something.

mutant said...

OpenOffice is a huge OSS success. I've seen it installed almost everywhere,

Wow! OO.o is a big success because this guy is installing it everywhere. Wow!. Good way to measure marketshare.

even OEMs have started shipping PCs with it installed.

...and people having been uninstalling it & getting MS office

Microsoft is actively promoting Office in universities with huge discounts.

MS is a customer facing company & it does what it must to retain/increase userbase unlike the freetards who don't wants users, marketshare, developers, etc, etc

mutant said...

Richard Stallman hires Blizzard to port all games to GNU/Linux

Stallman agrees to pay Blizzard employees a lifetime supply of pot & cocaine

Anonymous said...

Vista sucks, Linux rules!

VICTORY DANCE - MIT STYLE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Pube5Aynsls

Anonymous said...

2009 is the YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP

It's going to happen this time, I feel it!

mutant said...

I've seen it installed almost everywhere,

have you been outside of your home, freetard?.

Anonymous said...

i once had a dick, but i traded it for the kernal. now i rulz the internets

Anonymous said...

I'd love to see Windows do this Wintards!

http://helmer.sfe.se/

If it could you'd probably have to buy $1,000,000 in Server licenses.

Anonymous said...

I'd love to see Windows do this Wintards!

http://helmer.sfe.se/

Hi I'm the owner of the nice box.

SSH is working fine.
Still have some problems with audio. Fonts look ugly. GTK still slower than GEOS. Games crashing with wine. Tax software does not run. Girlfirend left me, because of problems with You Tube.

Otherwise it rulez!

Anonymous said...

//I'd love to see Windows do this Wintards!

http://helmer.sfe.se/ ///

Um. Why the hell would you want to do that? Typical freetard hobbyist useless stupidity.

Have you ever even seen the inside of a NOC?

Anonymous said...

I'd love to see Windows do this Wintards!

Interesting, but I don't need a cluster. I want working sound, video, wireless, and applications.

Thanks for playing.

Signed,
99% of computer users.

Anonymous said...

Guys, read this:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=e1ab535d4cf4b827a346d58fad01e12f&t=936380

Hillarious. One poor guilable soul fell for the FOSS promises. And now.. he is fucked, who whould have known?!

From the Post:


-----


Should I give up on Ubuntu?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I am experiencing problems with Ubuntu Dapper Drake. I have used Hardy Heron with some success but on another machine with considerable memory.

Recently, I acquired a Compaq Evo N600 at a good price from a swap meet. Since it only had 256 megs of RAM, I wasn't able to install Hardy so I chose Dapper instead.

In the two weeks, I have experienced numerous issues trying to compile and integrate PCMCIA drivers into the kernel. The kernel, itself, configures and installs ok but there are endless errors generated when I attempt to make the driver source code. In researching it on the net,
I have come across uncountable problems with this same set-up. Apparently, everyone is having problems like this.

Getting C/D recordable software to work has also been frustrating. None of the domain packages perform and the functions included in the C/D
distro also bomb out.

Anyway, all I am wondering is if others also see a problem with Ubuntu? It seems there is so much cross-modularization that it would take a super-computer just to keep track of all the packages. It's funny how everyone in the Linux community pans Windows yet, when it comes to installing an application, Windows is vastly superior.

Well, perhaps my probem is insufficient memory? But I thought that
Linux could function well at 256 megs. Also the machine has actually
frozeon up on me several times now ... a la the Windows blue screen of
death yet I have read numerous times that Linux NEVER crashes!?

Anyway, I need a recommendation as to another package to experiment with. Can anyone suggest a good distro for a 5-yr-old wireless pcmcia
card? Thanks for taking time to read my woes ...

-----

Anonymous said...

From that same thread:

aas far as giving up on Linux goes, not a chance. i realize that you have to invest more energy in low-level learning with Linux than windows
but the ultimate rewards will make it all worth it.


Poor misguided soul. If only you'd realize that there's no light at the end of that tunnel...

Anonymous said...

@mutant

Wow! OO.o is a big success because this guy is installing it everywhere. Wow!. Good way to measure marketshare.

Nope, I've seen OpenOffice installations in shops, universities, houses and pre-installed in notebooks (I don't remember the brand at the moment). The official marketshare is ~15%, with the same disclaimer as linux marketshare. I've also seen companies bundle it with other software and sell it successfully. I've installed OO.org only on my PC.

...and people having been uninstalling it & getting MS office LOL, now that's what I'd call a solid argument!

MS is a customer facing company & it does what it must to retain/increase userbase unlike the freetards who don't wants users, marketshare, developers, etc, etc

OSS is developed to satisfy the real needs of programmers and users, unlike many companies that create imaginary needs using marketing techniques (Apple, aspects of MS business model).

Anonymous said...

Recently, I acquired a Compaq Evo N600 at a good price from a swap meet. Since it only had 256 megs of RAM, I wasn't able to install Hardy so I chose Dapper instead.

What I find funny is that Freetards go on at length about how Linux is much leaner than Windows and can revitalize old hardware. Something like Damn Small Linux(DSL), yes it's actually pretty amazing what they pack in such a small footprint. However you're screwed if you wish to install software not in the distro. Which eventually brings you back to a standard distro like Ubuntu, Fedora, Suse, etc if you wish to have better Software support.

The recommended requirements for Windows XP is 128MB of RAM, and many computers sold when XP was released would have 128 or 256MB RAM. For most user uses (surfing, word processing not using the pig Open Office, not using bloated security software like Norton) 256MB of RAM runs Windows XP surprisingly well, 512 even more amazing.

I tried running Ubuntu on a box with 384MB of RAM. GNOME was disgusting in memory usage. A terminal Windows used 12MB of RAM. How is that possible? Switching between two applications resulted in a LOT of disk thrashing. When I power cycled the router the machine would disk thrash for about a minute to reacquire an IP.

A Freetard might go on about how I'm comparing a new OS to a 7 year old OS.

The comparison is fair, because I'm looking for functionality. If I can run my applications better on older hardware, it's a leaner system. The actual age of the OS doesn't matter. If Windows 3.1 can meet the requirements, great.

Some freetards might go on about stability, but NT based XP isn't plagued with the stability issues Windows 9x is.

If I can run DVD shrink, uTorrent, Firefox 3, office 2007, MSN, HTTP server, SSH server, and remote graphical access (Remote desktop) under Windows XP with 256MB of RAM better than the equivalent applications under Linux on the same hardware, then that means that Linux is more bloated than Windows.

Anonymous said...

fresh on slashtard:

http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/08/10/13/1716220.shtml

Bugs Delay Release of Debian Lenny

A. B. VerHausen writes to tell us that over 200 release-critical bugs continue to push back Debian Lenny's release date. Originally slated for a September release, there is still a long road to be traveled before Lenny sees the light of day. Project leader Steve McIntyre says they may consider dropping some packages for the release if they continue to cause problems, and while an end of October release is the goal, only time will tell.

Just drop the whole repository, so we can all get salvation

Anonymous said...

"I seriously doubt you ever used Linux for a long time. No experienced Linux user in right mind would completely wipe out Linux to keep Windows. He/She will dual boot for sure"

AHHAHAHhAhAHAHAhaha! Gotta love the penguin dance!

Anonymous said...

Open Office would be nice and all if the Writer had a spellcheck that actually worked.

And I don't mean for english only.

Anonymous said...

@anonymous October 13, 2008 2:12 PM

"I seriously doubt you ever used Linux for a long time. No experienced Linux user in right mind would completely wipe out Linux to keep Windows. He/She will dual boot for sure"

I'm a somewhat experienced Linux user and I'm considering getting away from dual-booting by taking Ubuntu off of my laptop; I never use it anymore.

It's also funny how you say "He/She will...."; like there are any women out there dual-booting and using Linux. I'm sure there are hordes of women reading this blog right now..

Anonymous said...

At my university they completely replaced MS Office with OpenOffice. And trust me: everybody in the lab hated it with a passion. It only lasted one year: the following one they installed MS Office again.

Anonymous said...

@anonymous October 13, 2008 11:00 AM

OSS is developed to satisfy the real needs of programmers and users, unlike many companies that create imaginary needs using marketing techniques (Apple, aspects of MS business model).

The real needs are met by FLOSS?

That's news to me; I thought the software that I get free from Microsoft through my student MSDN account -

Vista Business
XP Pro
Visual Studio 2005
Expression Studio
and many more

- were preparing me for what I'll need to use in the real world. I forgot that this was the Year of the Linux Desktop.

-derChef

Anonymous said...

@anonymous October 13, 2008 3:09 PM

OSS is developed to satisfy the real needs of programmers and users, unlike many companies that create imaginary needs using marketing techniques (Apple, aspects of MS business model).

Imaginary needs like working wireless and sound? And the ability to use software that doesn't break your OS when you install it?

Kyle said...

I love that there are actually people out there who think that the terminal or editing text files should be at all involved in configuring a desktop OS.

Here's a hint guys - companies that actually have usability labs realized that people who use desktop machines don't want to screw around with that.

Anonymous said...

@Kyle

I love that there are actually people out there who think that the terminal or editing text files should be at all involved in configuring a desktop OS.

Here's a hint guys - companies that actually have usability labs realized that people who use desktop machines don't want to screw around with that.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSq8ZBdSxNU

Anonymous said...

Here's a hint guys - companies that actually have usability labs realized that people who use desktop machines don't want to screw around with that.

I don't think it takes an usability study to figure that out. Everybody knows that since 1995 or before. Well, everybody but the 0.91% of freetards, of course.

Anonymous said...

Here's a hint guys - companies that actually have usability labs realized that people who use desktop machines don't want to screw around with that.

You're right, they're more interested in this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxfSwzhSn1c

Anonymous said...


Here's a hint guys - companies that actually have usability labs realized that people who use desktop machines don't want to screw around with that.

Hah so true. In the same way that Windows is stuck with a GUI since win95, linux is "stuck" with a terminal since .. yeah.

The only difference is MS is optimizing the hell out of their subsystems to gain performance on the server side, but linux is going the opposite way. adding bloat and buggy crap to a fairly streamlined core server OS.

So far looks like MS is succeeding.

The only thing I think FOSS community has managed to do is fudge the difference between standards and open source. It sounds so great doesnt it? You have the source, ofcource interoperability will be a minor issue !. Except the next update breaks stuff in the most horrible way. Linux is lacking a high number of professional developers and system designers. Or do they have any?

Anonymous said...

new linux slogans

"Another day, another audio subsystem"

"Linux is only free if your time is worth less than a Chinese sweatshop worker. "

Anonymous said...

>Linux is the most
> advanced operating
> system in the World!

Oh, yeah, totally :)) (ROTFLMAO)

Looks like you've never really used a Mac and have no clue where operating systems have gone baby :)

> This post was created
> on a Linux desktop
> against a Linux web
> server. Linux end-to-
> end baby!

Fucking end-to-end-luser :P Now that is the worst kind of em all

Anonymous said...

Except the next update breaks stuff in the most horrible way.

Ubuntu's solution to updates involving the kernel - installing the new kernel version alongside the old one, create a new entry in the boot menu, and let the user "comfortably" redo the usual post install work ( ati driver installation etc ) done on the older kernel, on the new one - had this on updating 7.04, then again on "migrating" to 7.10
quite the opposite of what an end user would expect from a logical system ...


Linux is lacking a high number of professional developers and system designers. Or do they have any?
linux has... well, linus torvalds - who, any linux fan will surely say, is the best SW engineer in the world ("he has created the best kernel in the world, he can be no less" (sic))
problem is, he is a good C hacker but a lousy "designer" (proof is, the linux kernel is hardly a structured - i.e. compartmentalized, with subsystem-exclusive data structures and internal scalable APIs, while SW engineering is much about well structured solutions with thoughtful subsystem characterization and data isolation ) but few people in the community know , even fewer would be willing to admit the difference ...

"Linux is only free if your time is worth less than a Chinese sweatshop worker. "
so true :-)

Fletcher said...

Quoted from the "Laptop" article regarding Linux notebook returns:

"People would love to pay $299 or $399 but they don’t know what they get until they open the box. They start playing around with Linux and start realizing that it’s not what they are used to. They don’t want to spend time to learn it so they bring it back to the store. The return rate is at least four times higher for Linux netbooks than Windows XP netbooks."

So they are returning it because they are not used to it. That's hardly a compelling reason to say that Linux is worse than Windows. It's just human nature. Folks want what is familiar. The pain you know is better than the unknown. This was Gates' brilliance. He got his OS out there on the market. He got folks to design software for it and made folks need it. Was it great software? No, not always. Sometimes it was. When something Stable and Useful was advanced by a company, M$ did the smart thing and acquired them.

Do I use Windows? Hardly ever. I don't even game on Windows any more. Why? Because I've been a Unix geek for twenty years of my 27 year career. When Linux f*cks up (and it does) I generally know how to fix it or how to effectively research the problem to fix it. It's comfortable for me. I don't know Windows well enough to do that. So when it breaks (and it does) I'm usually dead in the water.

Average Joe user is in the same boat, regardless of whether it's Linux or Windows. When it all goes Horribly Wrong, you have to call one of your geek buddies.

The advantage M$ has over Linux is that they have vendor support for the products and software for their OS. In my opinion, their OS is crap. But as long as it's running applications that folks need and want, they will control the desktop market.

Now, if all you want to do is surf, read mail, text chat and make simple spreadsheets and documents, I think that Ubuntu Linux is a good solution.

The problem occurs when someone upstream makes a major change that totally frags applications that have worked reliably. Audacity and the abortion that is Pulse Audio is an excellent example. This event has made me feel like I did when I had to recompile a kernel just to get something as basic as sound even working. It shouldn't happen. It CAN'T happen if you want your mom or grand-dad to be able to use the OS. If they hit "Upgrade" in the Synaptic Package Manager, they still better be able to play their music, just as before or the OS isn't a viable option for them.

Make no mistake. I love Linux. I'm happy that the Open Source movement has provided me with an OS that I can use. I support them financially when I can. I'd support them by BUYING a version of Linux that would actually UPGRADE without trashing half my apps or my desktop configuration in the process. I think that's happened once in 15 years. SuSE 8.2 to SuSE 8.3, I think. Back in 2001, maybe. Yes, I paid for them both.

There is nothing wrong with paying for software, if it does what it advertises. That is what is going to have to happen, if we want reliable tools for our OS. Before that can happen, someone will have to field a Linux (or BSD) distro that comes with a nice, reliable GUI out of the box and the configuration tools that support it. They will have to have reliable drivers and they will have to draw the line and say "We will not implement the latest 'best' way to do this if it breaks existing functionality". That means having support staff to maintain older software and middleware support. That means testers to double check the new code coming out. That means developers to ensure interoperability. That means money. We geeks love to write stuff and put it out there, but we have to have that paycheck to eat. If you don't take care of your needs there is no free time to add to Open Source. You have to earn that paycheck somehow.

Addressing window manager compatibility, I think that most of the major window managers have conformed to basic IEEE standards for X that allow application sharing. I've noticed much smoother results when I use KDE apps under Gnome in my recent Ubuntu usage than just a few years back. Five years ago interoperability was still a headache. Eight years ago, it non-existent.

Additionally, there seems to be an explosion of middlewear changes (DBUS, HAL, Pulse Audio, etc) that are changing the "standards" of configuration and behaviour. Some of these implementations seem to be implemented by fiat. This is causing a reduction in functionality and excessive bloat in the distributions. More and more, I see certain behaviours with applications and the human interface that remind me of all of the worst functionality of Windows of the NT era.

Again, I love my Linux notebook. I'm a part-time photographer and use G.I.M.P. extensively. I'm able to make my system interact with M$ networks and tools 99% of the time. But I've started getting into video editing and there aren't any reliable tools for that. Unless that changes, unless someone writes a decent video editing application, I'm not going to be able to use my favourite little notebook. It's highly probable that to have a computer that will do all of the things that I need and want, that I will have to go to another, closed source operating system. I'm going to have to bite the bullet and by the Mac. As cool as that may be, I'll miss Linux. I'll miss the choices of Open Source. Yes, I'll be able to compile under OSX and run some stuff through the X server, but I'll be focusing on using Apple software and learning the applications that are provided to do the things I need to do.

Because at the end of the day, if your OS doesn't have a useful, reliable tool-set, then it's just a development box for hacking around.

&

The Caffeinated Admin said...

Alright, quick summary of my past posts. IT Manager here who works with commercial and FOSS. We run Windows, Linux, and OSX.

Why is MS Office still king of desktops in corporate environments? Of course there is the obvious answer, Outlook. It along with Exchange is currently the best product for tying together daily operations within an organization. Of course Exchange needs to be properly deployed. I've seen some real screwed up deployments that make it all but unusable. That's another story for another day.

Other reasons why Office still trumps other solutions is the tight integration with other MS products such as Sharepoint, InfoPath Server, Project Server, IE, and of course, Windows. To the average user in the office, it is one interface to learn and allows them to move to similar products quickly. Certainly helps keep my training budget in check.

MS Office ties in well with many 3rd party products. All of our data analysis and BI tools tie in to MS Office and can kick up fully built Word docs, Excel spreadsheets, and Powerpoint presentations. The execs all get their reports and the DAs only spend minutes building them. Without MS Office, we would probably needs 2 - 3 more people just building the basis of what will become a report. Hint, even popular open source BI apps **cough** Pentaho **cough** interfaces with MS Excel.

Finally, it is the defacto standard. Like it or not, the formats used by Office is so universal that is is almost required to do business. PDFs are a nice alternative but "Gimme the Word/Excel/Powerpoint...." is as universal a phrase as "Make me a Xerox..."

Do I like paying MS the licensing fees? No but the time, effort, and resources needed to deploy alternatives trump the cost. Even after hagling with MS/VARs, duking it out with Finance, and working with Legal to decipher the licensing terms, I still come out ahead.

The sum things up again. Screw the religion of FOSS vs commercial. I want to find the solution that is cost effective (BTW, "free" software is expensive), easy to deploy (Think GPO), simple to support (I can call up and yell at someone), and keeps management happy (They get their reports).

Anonymous said...

@Fletcher you, yourself said some reasons why linux doesn't cover you, lack of video editing software for example, yet you love it. Go ahead and buy a Mac so you can do your video editing and keep calling windows, crap. At least with windows you can use decent applications.

Anon E Moose said...

http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2009.0_Errata

Item 9.1 is my favorite so far: no printer configuration tool

And the 'tards are always ragging on Microsoft for either releasing late or releasing incomplete software.

Mandriva's incomplete, Debian is late... Seems that such issues are universal.

Though the one nice thing about the new Mandriva is the default font setup doesn't seem to suck, for perhaps the first time ever.

Take your victories where you can, I suppose.

BTW fletcher - your well written prose was marred by the juvenile use of "M$". Please don't lower yourself to the level of the
"luser" trolls who frequent such places as this, lest you be lumped in with them.

I've been looking for a freeware video editor myself. Outgrew moviemaker, so now I use Premiere Elements because I can see sweet eff-all out there that even compares favorably with moviemaker or imovie, let alone is superior.

On a final note I wasn't at all surprised to see the usual "linux runs teh internets!" posts in here, yet again *yawn*

Seems no one bothers to read comments in their lust to get a salvo off. And then they wonder why their volley is a dud.

Anonymous said...

Look at this packaging system for Solaris.

[ One thing that is scary about IPS is that the entire OS image could get upgraded if I were to upgrade even a simple package like Thunderbird. "Yeah, Mom, Thunderbird requires a kernel upgrade, don't ask me why". ]

Sun wanted "the community", right? Yes, it got the same dumb community that grew Linux into a powerhouse with a 0.91% usage share in 17 years.

Anonymous said...

Everyone cool your jets.

See you middle of 2009 when Linux will have cross distribution ABI solution. Its a really simple solution bind the dynamic linker into the executable so it loads your own ABI.

Linux on Desktop is not here yet. But by the middle of 2009 it will be. Own equal to ADS servers. X11 server crash no longer complete loss of interface. X11 performance way faster. If we are lucky back porting drivers will also turn up.

Most fun bit will be the end of the Distribution citadels.

If you had tried 2.6.27 you would have noticed quite a major speed up on a lot of operations compared to 2.6.26 Linux kernel. Next Linux kernel 2.6.28 will be a desktop ready kernel match X11 server is lined up to be released at the same time.

The world of Linux is changing. If Windows 7 is a lemon too MS is done.

mutant said...

The world of Linux is changing. If Windows 7 is a lemon too MS is done.

Just like 2000, XP, Vista were all 'lemons' . We have been hearing that for over a decade.

I believe that even if MS did screw up like hell (they won't), Linux will still not take over. It sucks too bad to take over.

OSS is developed to satisfy the real needs of programmers and users,
No body wants to upgrade their OS just to upgrade their browser. OSS does not fulfill any need.

unlike many companies that create imaginary needs using marketing techniques

Basic sound & video are 'imaginary needs' now?

Anonymous said...

@anon
Excellent Eventually(tm) post!

Is Tracker ready yet?
What about Conduit?
Does Compiz work without crashing?

Anonymous said...

golly! what a funny blog!

kornelix said...

Distrowatch.com just completed a meticulous documentation of the 14 most popular package management systems currently in use. This is actually a disgrace to humanity, but the freedom lovers would not understand.

Anonymous said...

Compiz crashing is mostly a incompatibility between it and the driver layer of X11. Turns out cure requires a complete replace the driver layer. No distribution really should be shipping with compiz and current stable releases of X11 since only the developer version has the fixes in it.

Why are they shipping with it they want to look flashy to attract users. So yes LH should be bagging out on them all who do for putting Users second. Same with pulseaudio its not production ready so any distribution including it should get hammered.

Alteration for compiz is in the que for Linux kernel 2.6.28 and x.org server 1.6 end of year. Was planed for 1.5 middle of this years release but first method of redoing the driver layer went south fixed the compiz problem but come with a high speed cost. Along with compiz is all 2d rendering of X11 accelerated by video card where able. We are talking a responsive jump.

Need to upgrade complete OS to update browser is a Distribution need. By middle of 2009 that will be no more. Due to third party applications only have to give a stuff about 1 thing your Linux kernel not the distribution you are using since they can operate 100 percent independent of everything the distribution provides. Ok using the distributions X11 and cups would give nicer integration but they don't have to. Stability fix for X11 also makes running multi able X11 servers side by side safe. This will bring the citadels of distributions down. I guess a lot of people will be partying over it.

Package management systems will be made nothing to application developers due to a functional generic api that wraps over them all just missed standard include this time.

Problem is what I am saying is not eventually. What I am saying is exactly what is in the pipe line. Problems are that each open source project has different time lines. Linux kernel is about every 3 months. So if you miss the window you have to wait. X11 server is every 6 months. Guess what key feature missed the windows. Linux Standard Base is every 12 months. Yep a few needed things there missed its window too. Most annoying was the standard codec format for Linux.

You just don't understand some of the knock on effects either. Wine poor 2d performance is linked to X11 not having 2d acceleration that Wine can use. Means to run fullscreen windows over current screen like Direct X does on windows is also provided by the next lot of changes.

2000 was not a lemon and XP was not a lemon both sold without large numbers of downgrades. But even hardware makers agree Vista was a lemon. MS is on to there last chance.

There will be more changes than what I listed.

Anonymous said...

Need to upgrade complete OS to update browser is a Distribution need. By middle of 2009 that will be no more. Due to third party applications only have to give a stuff about 1 thing your Linux kernel not the distribution you are using since they can operate 100 percent independent of everything the distribution provides.

Can you give the source for this piece of information?

Thanks in advance!

Anonymous said...

While Linux is struggling to bring even the most basic operations like audio, accelerated video, wifi, etc. to the users - Microsoft is listening to the userbase and concentrates on polishing the core functionality of Windows.

The "backs to the roots (high functional, high performance)" philosophie will be reflected in the name of the next windows operating system. It's simply:

Windows 7

The codename will become the real name!

http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2008/10/13/introducing-windows-7.aspx

Anonymous said...

No body wants to upgrade their OS just to upgrade their browser.

Do you consider windows xp service pack 1 to be a different OS to xp SP2 (~300 MB patch size compressed)? Can you install internet explorer 7 on winxp SP1? Can you install 2 different IE versions on the same machine? IE7 on win2k?

mutant said...

But even hardware makers agree Vista was a lemon. MS is on to there last chance

Have you ever user vista?. or Winodws server 2008 for that matter?

Vista is a wonderful OS. Brings in some long awaited features. They could not deliver all that was initially promised, but is still far better than any Linsux release can dream to be.

The linshitters can stop their FUD propaganda now. They can fool some people sometimes, but they can't fool everyone all the time. poeple are realizing the shit hole that is Linux & fighting back against the freetard propaganda. This blog is a manifestation of this. the freetard FUD has back fired.

Anonymous said...

Do you consider windows xp service pack 1 to be a different OS to xp SP2 (~300 MB patch size compressed)?

did not remember exact file sizes, but: Ubuntu 7.04 post install update took several minutes to download and install, and it created another boot menu entry already, the 7.10 upgrade reinstalled everything AND the kitchen sink, and did the same thing, again - for me, that's pretty close to install another OS, what i actually did with 8.04 ( if the updater didnt list the "migration" (sic) as available, with the user having to download the iso anew, it must have been too radical an update...)

Can you install internet explorer 7 on winxp SP1?

XP SP1 was pretty insecure, if a new browser is enough of an incentive for people to upgrade, that may be a good thing actually

Can you install 2 different IE versions on the same machine?

like having 2 different firefox versions installed side by side... why should i want to do that? i need one working browser, maybe even two different browsers (one for compatibility with lousy webpages, one for security), not two versions of the same

mutant said...

If possible, larger corporations that have open source components should do what they can to leave them alone and impose the very minimum amount of bureaucratic overhead on those teams.

Just because some Linshit freetard, pot smoking hippy guy has trouble following the company rules, we should take away the rules/process completely???. Why not throw out the management... & the shareholders... Lets also start giving out all the products for free?.



Results matter far more than process.

Organizations have set processes in place for a reason. If our pot smoking hippy freetard guy steals code/patented ideas (which they always do) from somewhere & then the company got sued, do results still matter more than process??. Get lost fucktards. Employees owe their allegience to the organization first. Whatever they do at work should be done with the organization's best interests in mind. The various process in place ensure that nothing that should be done is not done. Freetards have external loyalties & hence they should have no place in any company.

Anonymous said...

Distrowatch own words to describe distros.. haha.. its hilarious.. I guess the FUD didnt infect them.


Ubuntu : Some of Ubuntu's own software (e.g. Launchpad, Rosetta) are proprietary; lacks compatibility with Debian. aka.. stallman can suck my hairy balls.

OpenSUSE:Novell's patent deal with Microsoft in November 2006 seemingly legitimised Microsoft's intellectual property claims over Linux; its resource-heavy desktop setup and graphical utilities are sometimes seen as "bloated and slow" aka.. crap..


Fedora:Fedora's priorities tend to lean towards enterprise features, rather than desktop usability
- LOL, isn't this a desktop OS?


Debian:Conservative - due to its support for many processor architectures, newest technologies are not always included; slow release cycle (one stable release every 1 - 3 years); discussions on developer mailing lists and blogs can be uncultured at times
- AKA we're teh regular freetard hippies.

Mandriva:Lacks a comprehensive marketing strategy to compete with other major distributions, non-existent Mandriva books show lack of "mindshare" among publishing houses - AKA we dont really know what we're doing ...



Slackware:Limited number of officially supported applications; conservative in terms of base package selection; complex upgrade procedure; no official 64-bit edition - AKA stay away..


Gentoo: Occasional instability and risk of breakdown, the project suffers from lack of directions and frequent infighting between its developers - AKA the slashdot hippie retards..


CentOS: Lacks latest Linux technologies; by the time of release, most software packages are outdated - LOL

Anonymous said...

It seems you missed the "Linux Distro Hating Week" last week:
http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008/10/06/07/42/08-linux-distro-hating-week-oct-6-1

And the "people loving week" :-)
http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2008/10/13/09/02/30-the-linux-personal-achievements-

Anonymous said...

What I find funny and contradictory is that any time (modern) games are mentioned, the zealots invariably tell you to get a console or that there's something wrong with you if you want to use your computer for games, because they're not important.

These aforementioned zealots then turn around and hold up Compiz as a marvel of engineering and the raison d'etre to switch to Linux.

Yes, that spinning cube is essential! (Embarrassingly, when I went through my Linux phase, I showed that cube to people, while telling them that Linux was "better".)

Anonymous said...

But even hardware makers agree Vista was a lemon.

Sure, freetard. That's why they're all preinstalling Linux instead of Vista!

In your alternate reality, at least, where Linux is so "superior" and WorksForYou. Here in this dimension, we've been hearing the same crap from you for years. Delusional cries of desperation is what they are.

Anonymous said...

MS office is far superior to that bloated piece of crap they call openoffice . Fosstards have been giving it away free for so many years & yet no one wants it. Shows how good it is.

Heh... go look at OpenOffice.org.

Their web server is on its knees due to traffic/demand for the new 3.0 release.

http://www.openoffice.org/

Anonymous said...

I'm done with Linux.

All hail to PC-BSD/FreeBSD now.

Yes, crappy FOSS ran on top of a stable, elegant Unix OS (BSD) is better than crappy FOSS on top of a crappy, unstable ABI OS.

Anonymous said...

Their web server is on its knees due to traffic/demand for the new 3.0 release.

Which means their web server is crappy too.

Anonymous said...

Yes, crappy FOSS ran on top of a stable, elegant Unix OS (BSD) is better than crappy FOSS on top of a crappy, unstable ABI OS.

Or better, run a desktop OS like 99% of the world does.

Anonymous said...

Or better, run a desktop OS like 99% of the world does.

Who said I don't?

I've always had a Windows partition for seamless terminal services (for my *nix boxes) and to play games that don't behave well in Wine.

mutant said...

Even i am thinking of wiping my HDD clean of this Linux/kubuntu shit. I have give Linux waaayyyy too much time than it deserves. Its sucks. I will wipe it off my HDD & install FreeBSD. That along with my Windows partition should be better. I mean it can't get as bad as the Linshit for sure.

Anonymous said...

Even i am thinking of wiping my HDD clean of this Linux/kubuntu shit. I have give Linux waaayyyy too much time than it deserves. Its sucks. I will wipe it off my HDD & install FreeBSD.

Used as a desktop?

There will still be X11, GNOME and/or KDE on top of the kernel. Nothing will change for you.

Have fun!

Anonymous said...

LOL use your windows partition to play "games that don't behave well in Wine." Fuck if you have windows partition why would you even bother with shitty emulation.

Sundancer said...

@ anonymous!!
Correction!

Linux > Mac OS X >>>>Windows 7 >>>>>>>> Windows....

John Paugh

Anonymous said...

PC-BSD it's the same shit that is Linux except that is not a religion and it doesn't have hardware acceleration for my ATI. So, FU too BSD shit. So, i'll stick with my Xp laptop and eventually buy a Mac when i'll get rich.

Kyle said...

@ Anonymous, October 14, 2008 2:15 AM

Of course the hardware manufacturers were bitching about Vista. It actually required them to get off their ass and write some solid drivers, which they proceeded to not do. They were too busy having a pissing match with each other, or, in the case of Creative, pissing all over their own customers. OEMs pressured MS into creating a new "level" of Vista certification so that they could get away with having it preinstalled on subpar systems, then started bitching and moaning after it was not only shit, but when their own shitty third-party applications caused issues.

So yeah, no wonder the hardware manufacturers didn't like Vista. It meant they actually had to work on supporting their projects for a change.

There are legitimate reasons to dislike Vista. Hardware support certainly ain't one of them, especially when compared to Linux.

Some may say that Vista is terrible (I disagree - I think it's the best release yet), and that's OK. But even at its worst, it's far and away better than any desktop Linux distribution.

Oh, yeah, and by the way, I can't wait for 2009. I have a feeling that, when it comes to Linux, it'll be the same story as usual.

Anonymous said...

Anyone know the MSI Windows version return rate? If 1 in 10, people are not liking the Wind 10% of the time. Is it one in 50? If so, the 98% to 92% (Windows vs Linux) satisfaction rate is not that bad. It tells me that MSI needs to more prominently advertise the Linux version isn't Windows or work a little more to customize the stock install.

Are you a fucking moron? The article clearly said that the Linux return rate was 4 times that of Windows. Just kill yourself. We need to reduce CO2 emissions.

Anonymous said...

The linshitters can stop their FUD propaganda now. They can fool some people sometimes, but they can't fool everyone all the time. poeple are realizing the shit hole that is Linux & fighting back against the freetard propaganda. This blog is a manifestation of this. the freetard FUD has back fired.

Don't count on them to shut up. They've staked their self-esteem on Linux taking over, it would require dismantling platoons of fucked-up personalities to stop the Linux FUD machine.

Anonymous said...

That isn't really a fault with the software, just the jackasses that code it not liking certain licenses because they don't fit their re-definition of free.

Basically, they break the API because they are assholes. More people need to call them on this anti-social behavior.


This is one of the most solvable chinks in Linux armor -- and they did it to themselves. They let the FOSS bigots dictate to them that the GPL would be the "one ring to bind them" -- which means that they won't distribute binary drivers. Which means integrating DRM, proprietary drivers, and other such IP-driven content just won't work. Which makes the user experience CRAP. It's so pathetic it's comical.

Anonymous said...

Hey, Stallman. I'm totally laughing at you, dipshit. "Genius" grant, my ass. You're a fucking twit. Your crappy software ain't gonna take over the world. Deal with it.

Anonymous said...

My University switched from MS Office to OpenOffice and back again as well. The kicker is part of the new deals Microsoft actually now provides MS Office at no charge what-so-ever to the University, as well as giving a free copy of Home and Student Office 2007 to every student. So in a way I guess the "freetards" won.

Anonymous said...

My University switched from MS Office to OpenOffice and back again as well. The kicker is part of the new deals Microsoft actually now provides MS Office at no charge what-so-ever to the University, as well as giving a free copy of Home and Student Office 2007 to every student. So in a way I guess the "freetards" won.

No, the freetards CAN'T win. Their sole advantage SEEMED to be lower cost -- but, apparently, they've now lost that battle. So, why exactly, would anyone want to use OpenOffice? Esp since Office can produce ODF. Foiled again! Fucking hilarious.

Anonymous said...

The end to need to update distribution to update like firefox is from Linux Standard Base. First they will embed the dynamic loader into executables. Linux allows running many dynamic loaders this allow applications to directly control what .so files they use.

Current issue for Linux Standard Base is that distributions have to support it and provide it with its own dynamic loader. Applications providers are not happy with this so the project that fixes the issue was started.

So if a application provider controls the dynamic loader they can call use all or none bar the kernel and anything between of the distribution they are running on with any alteration binary of the application. Ie minor own config file alteration control the loader.

This is more than handy for support issues ie could you try our standard lib for that even better they can send out a installer that sets that on the application without user having to go near command line.

The other is a complete generic way to register a installation of software into a distribution so there programs can be safely removed.

It is a little annoying that theses features is going to miss Linux standard 4.0 this November. They missed the window for the features to be included.

Simple thing people don't get stop talking about Freetard's winning or losing. Without acting like a Freetard from time to time to force prices down you would be paying a lot more for your software. Notice that MS does not give software free to everyone. If they did they would have some troubles making profit. Its wise business to use Open Source to get better deals.

Please read the licensing conditions of Home and Student it directly forbids commercial usage to the point you have to pay Microsoft if you do use it for making money. So in my mind that thing should be free for everyone since its against its licence to make money using it.

Also MS Office does not support all the features of ODF yet. Some documents it screws up. MS Office 2009 most likely will. At this stage its really having both installed if you need perfect compatibility.

Microsoft is really losing the battle. If MS has to give there software away for free there profit streams are reduced. Really it provides me with more reasons to install and demonstrate open source to attempt to get lower price deal. What next collage installs Linux when its ready so they can get MS windows for free? Will companies do this as well? If you look around big companies already do. Home users need to pull there head out the sand being prepared to pull back temp will force prices down.

Freetard is a MS insult created to be used against people who risk pulling back on them and forcing them to drop prices. Using it really shows how big of a idiot you are. We need people who will pull back or we all will pay more.

Linux is not ready yet but with everything in the pipe line is close.

Besides Open Source will kill windows 1 of two ways. Linux is compete with it. The other way is clone it. Question is what one happens first.

Anonymous said...

Linux is the most advanced operating system in the World!

Right, because all of its bleeding edge stuff is new and uniques and hasn't been included in Solaris or AIX in a cleaner, more mature and more robust form for about a decade.

Because it has hardware-level integration like Solaris and AIX do.

Because it can provide me with next-to-no latency on a single, unified, standardized audio subsystem like CoreAudio or ASIO can.

Because I don't have to jump through hoops in Linux to get basic MIDI functionality (Hi, Timidity++) or to set up a MIDI loopback.

Because LDSPA and DSSI are lightyears ahead of VST/i, Audio Units, ReWire or RTAS.

Because applications and subsystems in Linux don't break with every other release due to subsystems being randomly deprecated for no good reason.

Because the licensing doesn't forbid the inclusion of certain conveniences and base functionality.

Because "advanced" means archaic in that I still have to edit text files top get shit to work.

Because shared libraries are the wave of the future, not a relic from 30 years ago.

Because Linux offers decent colour-management and allows me to work with Pantone and in CMYK.

Because IRIX didn't have the whole 3D interface (see FSN) for a decade before Compiz came along.

Because There isn't about a billion different configuratiions multiplied by a billion different distributions.

Because Flash just works.

Because it has third party pro application support, especially for multimedia (authoring).

Riiiiight.

Anonymous said...

Microsoft is really losing the battle. If MS has to give there software away for free there profit streams are reduced.

Ah, you don't understand the rules of the game. It's the same principle that crack dealers use: Give the end user a taste, get them hooked, and then you've got a customer for life.

Here's how it goes. University installs MSOffice and Exchange on all its machines. Microsoft gives free copy of MSOffice to students. Student graduates and goes out into the workplace, and continues to use whatever he/she learned in college: MSOffice. The initial cost to Microsoft in supporting the subsidy to the student's copy of Office is more than compensated by future sales. Get it? It's the reason you can't win.

Anonymous said...

Fuck if you have windows partition why would you even bother with shitty emulation.

Because he's a fucking douchebag freetard. He thinks it makes him l33t or something. What a maroon.

Anonymous said...

PC-BSD it's the same shit that is Linux except that is not a religion and it doesn't have hardware acceleration for my ATI. So, FU too BSD shit. So, i'll stick with my Xp laptop and eventually buy a Mac when i'll get rich.

Agree but, given a choice between Linux and BSD, the choice is obvious. Go with BSD and tell the GPL zealots to go fuck themselves.

Anonymous said...

PC-BSD it's the same shit that is Linux except that is not a religion and it doesn't have hardware acceleration for my ATI. So, FU too BSD shit. So, i'll stick with my Xp laptop and eventually buy a Mac when i'll get rich.

PC-BSD is like Linux except:

Advantages:

* The base FreeBSD kernel and user-land tools are developed by one team.

* Applications targeting older releases will generally work with the "compat#x" libraries.

* The kernel driver interfaces remain stable much longer. The kernel drivers tend to be higher quality and stable as a result.

* The official package system, PBI, is essentially a simplified InstallShield clone with self contained installers. All updates are synced with the ports tree and handled automatically by the PBI build server. The alternative system is of course the traditional ports & package tree.

* Updating applications doesn't require a full operating system upgrade as a dependency.

* The documentation for FreeBSD and therefore PC-BSD is top-notch and located in one place--the handbook.

* The liberal BSD license enables code sharing freedom. For instance, it was possible for the FreeBSD team to import Solaris code and port the ZFS filesystem because CDDL is compatible with the BSD license. In 8.0, DTrace will be ported.

* Less politics and infighting equates to more productivity. How else would a development team with far less funding get anything done?


Disadvantages:

* Virtually no proprietary applications because of it's marketshare.

Most proprietary Linux apps work just fine with the Linux system call implementation. Even more work when 2.6.16 systemcall mapping is enabled.

* Fewer drivers and poor support for bleeding-edge hardware. A good platform for common hardware thats aged couple years.

* No official Adobe Flashplayer support. Note: This may change thanks to the collaboration between PC-BSD's iXsystems and Adobe.

* No proprietary Nvidia drivers for AMD64/EM64T. Note: A few BSD developers are working on the features requested by Nvidia to make this possible in the future.

http://wiki.freebsd.org/NvidiaFeatureRequests

* The ports system is source based and the binary packages aren't always up-to-date. Compiling is well slow and boring.

The PBI system fixes that but is limited by the relatively small collection of packages ATM.

Anonymous said...

HAHAHAHAHAA check this out guys
http://www.linux.com/feature/149992

the poor damned bastard is fucked and a condemned luser since its birth!!!

"We both thought that he looked like a little Linux as soon as we saw him and decided to go for that name."

he must look ugly and useless to look like "linux"

OMG

Anonymous said...

Worse yet:

http://www.linuxjournal.com/files/linuxjournal.com/linuxjournal/articles/077/7700/7700f1.png

Anonymous said...

the topic switching here is funny as hell

btw, when someone call lil'linux retard, will he say "its not retard, its FREETARD!"?

Anonymous said...

"HAHAHAHAHAA check this out guys
http://www.linux.com/feature/149992"

What are that kid's chances of getting laid, exactly? A negative percentage?

Anon E Moose said...

Just goes to show that people should have to pass a common-sense test before they can become parents.

Name your effing cat Linux, if you must. What a fucked-up handle to saddle some poor kid with....

Not like they could have used "Linus" if they are such huge fanpeople

burrix said...

""HAHAHAHAHAA check this out guys
http://www.linux.com/feature/149992"

What are that kid's chances of getting laid, exactly? A negative percentage?"

He always can fuck Ms. Fedora in the ass, you know...

Anonymous said...

"HAHAHAHAHAA check this out guys
http://www.linux.com/feature/149992"

10 years later:
- Hey Linux, do you want to come to my house play Crysys 5 in my new PC with Windows 8?
- Fuck you wintard, i'm busy recompiling my Kernel. Windows sucks. I'll stick with my parents basement.

18 years later:
- Dad i hate you, i want to change my name. My friends hate me.

Anonymous said...

Here's how it goes. University installs MSOffice and Exchange on all its machines. Microsoft gives free copy of MSOffice to students. Student graduates and goes out into the workplace, and continues to use whatever he/she learned in college: MSOffice. The initial cost to Microsoft in supporting the subsidy to the student's copy of Office is more than compensated by future sales. Get it? It's the reason you can't win.

Only one problem that theory works perfectly fine until the companies pull the same stunt the Uni's used to get the free copies in the first place. As more companies use Opensource to force MS's price down the worse this idea works. Some of the force down is starting at OEM builders like ASUS. That old idea of cheep copies to get other sales is starting to backfire. Its why MS has to try to make anyone who decides to play them look bad.

Basically pull head out sand and have a good look around. Asus forced XP home's price down under 30 USD. How long before they want that will bundled Office and so on at no extra cost.

Just like MS missed the change in game with Vista they are missing the change in game with software. When you have hardware companies talking about a few million copies they want cheep or they will not ship your OS/Office suit you have big problems on your hands.

Its the same reason why MS gave out the cheep copies to students in the first place. You cannot be this dumb. A few years ago MS could demand a few hundred dollars just for student versions and home users had to buy full versions because only people with student cards could by student versions.

MS has done no price due to pressure. Problem is compaines like Asus and others will also want the same for nothing. MS is on a slope and hardware companies will keep on pushing. Reason less they have to pay MS the more profit or undercutting they can do.

About time you except what is truly going on. Its not Free Software people as such. Its Greed same thing that has made Microsoft is now turning on it.

Question is how long can MS hold out?

People also forget MS has paid companies in the past to put particular cut back versions of office on machines. Same companies that are now pressuring MS. Will MS have to return to this for UNI's and big makers? Yep forced to undercut equals having to pay when competitor price is Zero.

I would really think it was funny if a UNI ends up demanding 500 dollars a seat per year from Microsoft to train users on there products since its advertising.

Anonymous said...

Mass murdering dictators prefer: GNU General Public License!

mutant said...

What alternatives do the UNIs have to Office ?. Openoffice you say?. You must be joking. That thing can compete well with office 97. Its 10 years too late. Its a joke.

Anonymous said...

The Pulseaudio implementation in Hardy sucked major balls. FFS now you can't have two applications with sound at the same time?!

Anon E Moose said...

@October 15, 2008 5:32 AM

One problem with your theory.

It's not Asus et. al demanding the software for cheap OR ELSE. It's the consumers that are demanding Windows.

If you think a hardware company is going to strong arm MS into submission, then you don't understand that it's the consumer who is in control. If you are going to offer nothing but Linux netbooks, and if that's not what consumers want, than I'd say you've cut off your nose to spite your face.

Business is very pragmatic when it comes to their bottom line. If they can make a go of FOSS, then good for them.

But they are going to have to spend money to convince consumers that they want to buy the stuff (ie: that there are clear advantages to running it). Simply flinging a Linux netbook or PC to Joe User is a recipe for failure.

lemon said...

linux netbooks suck because they run ...linux. another free os should come (hmm.. say, a polished(up to mac osx shine) version of -any- bsd) then his theory would be correct and ms would be on life support.

could it be that all the freetard shouting and fud convinced companies like asus, dell and friends that their dismall(when it comes to desktop/everyday use) os fits their need for a free(as in business) os?

it's a shame seeing all the decent foss projects drowning in this sea of shit linux helped produce

Anonymous said...


Just like MS missed the change in game with Vista they are missing the change in game with software.

Yeah all the MIT, Harvard, Stanford grads up in Redmond... Why do they hire these morons, they should just ask you !

Anon E Moose said...

Here's another one of the lost...

http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS3089888331.html

"Sometimes, given the large daily software pushes, stuff breaks. When that happens, you typically have to wade into /var/cache/apt/archives and manually dpkg -i previous versions of things before your system is usable again. This can be tricky, and time-consuming, but is actually kind of a fun, since you may learn advanced dpkg techniques, and it's thrilling to recover a broken system. "


Get cheap thrills debugging your OS with Linux (Sid)

Update screws Windows and all you do is F8 - boot last known good config.. how utterly boring. I R missing out on teh phun :(

Bambam said...

From a slashdot comment about "Gnome's Nautilus Gets ZFS Integration, In OpenSolaris":

So what it gets integration with OpenSolaris.

You know what? Basic SMB mounting doesnt even work right in Ubuntu. Instead, it mounts crap via ~/.gvfs and fake handles for Gnome-only apps.

Instead, if Ubuntu used standard mounting techniques, it would mount as something sane like ~/mnt/$computer/$share_name/ so that all programs could use it easily.

Most likely, this ZFS setup uses the same non-standard techniques that make the features ONLY for gnome programs.

FAIL.


Ooooo - ratet with: "Score:4, Interesting"

Anonymous said...

LH Blog: Linux audio (or whatever) sucks!

Anonymous said: Compiz Fusion is bloated and unstable...
Anonymous said: You Wintard!
...
followed a classic Win/Lin debate

Wait, But no one's commenting on audio...

Anonymous said...

Screw Linux.
Welcome PC-BSD.


If BSD gets as popular as Linux, it'll also become popular for forkers, then it'll turn into a mess. Anyone corrects me?

Anonymous said...

Wait, But no one's commenting on audio...

Because that's a lost cause.

Anonymous said...

Only one problem that theory works perfectly fine until the companies pull the same stunt the Uni's used to get the free copies in the first place. As more companies use Opensource to force MS's price down the worse this idea works. Some of the force down is starting at OEM builders like ASUS. That old idea of cheep copies to get other sales is starting to backfire. Its why MS has to try to make anyone who decides to play them look bad.

Companies do this all the time. It's a game of chicken, and both sides know how the game is played. Companies don't want to use OpenOffice, but they use it as a ploy to get preferential pricing. Microsoft pretends to not know what they're doing. Nonetheless, I guarantee you that MS isn't going to price MSOffice at zero for corps, though, unless it's part of a larger purchase (eg. Exchange + SQL Server + Visual Studio + etc). After all, at the end of the day, MS is a business, and they bring in money.

You guys simply don't get how the game is played; kind of like walking into a casino and believing that you have some kind of special edge. You don't. The game is one-sided from the start. It's why you lose all the time.

Anonymous said...

But they are going to have to spend money to convince consumers that they want to buy the stuff (ie: that there are clear advantages to running it). Simply flinging a Linux netbook or PC to Joe User is a recipe for failure.

What it's going to take is HEAVY INVESTMENT by OEMs in their own driver and hardware stack, in order to make the entire experience as seamless as consumers expect and demand of Windows today. And there's the rub: Why would OEMs invest that kind of money when they already have a solution in Windows -- that is subsidized entirely by Microsoft? See what the freetards are up against?

Anonymous said...

@anon e moose: "Get cheap thrills debugging your OS with Linux (Sid)"

Or, use Windows or Mac OS X and spend your time getting laid... which would you choose? (hint: that was a rhetorical question)

Anonymous said...

Linux: The choice for a GNU generation

Anonymous said...

Anyone who hates Linux will soon die of cancer.

thepld said...

http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=996945&cid=25389759

Check his moderation scores and note how the freetards reflexively mark him as a troll. How dare someone speak against the Messiah Linux!

Anonymous said...

GNU: Generally not used.

burrix said...

this fucking freetards never learn!
some quotes about the new flash:
- "give the source and we'll mantain it for you"
- "Why doesn't Adobe go (L)GPLv3 with their flash plugin, keep all the products that produce flashes commercial and watch how other people (while being angry at their original plugin's performance) fix their bad code?"

now I'll ask a question for you, clueless fanatic: why the fuck would adobe give their code to you and your 0.91% masturbating nerds?
If you can't create a decent "compatible" player, then you can't play with grown-ups.

Hilarious

Anonymous said...

The tragedy of Linux is that it's mediocre in areas where it's not the absolute worst. The bums lack the courage to do something radically different. They attempt to closely mimic existing systems, thereby placing a limit on how good their creation can be. In many areas, they fall well short of what they are trying to imitate, of course. (KDE 4 qualifies for radically different, but unfortunately, it doesn't appear to very good.)

Linux leaves people with no good reason to switch. [ If you hate Microsoft or you have other mental disorders, you will have a reason, though. ] Windows doesn't cost all that much, especially as part of a PC. People don't buy PCs often enough for the cost of Windows to make a difference. What little people spend for Windows, they get back many times their money's worth. So, consumers are unlikely to switch to Linux in any appreciable numbers, ever.

If you want to talk about organizations going for Linux, I have 3 words for you: Munich Linux Fornication. Linux migration fucked them up beyond repair. That will be a good lesson to anybody that's foolish enough to even think about using a Linux desktop in their company.

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