Friday, February 20, 2009

Just let it die, please

Don’t panic everyone! Apparently openSUSE is not dead yet.

Seriously though. I wish all SUSE’s would just die. SUSE was born a crack baby, and has grown up to be a crack smoking crack dealer. Even their stupid lizard looks like it’s cracked out. I bet the lizard is really just a vessel used for crack smuggling. Running their distro is more painful than trying to make a call on an OpenMoko. If I was convicted of murder, and the punishment was solitary confinement plus the use of a computer running SuSE, I’d just hang myself. And even worse, If I had to make the choice, I’d run Gentoo before I ran SuSE.

But don’t take it from just from me. Their own developers have a nice list of why you should not use SUSE. That’s some really great marketing work guys.

I don’t think Novell never really gave a shit about openSUSE. They just saw what Redhat did with Fedora, and openSUSE is just a poor “me too” attempt. You know, Linux is about community or something. So let’s just toss our POS distro over the wall, and see if some freetards pick it up. Because, like, that would be totally awesome. The community has infinite free resources, why don’t we harness some? It’s really easy. You just make a wiki page with really tiny fonts, stick an “open” in your name, and call it a day.

Now that money is tight, their true colors show. I don’t give a shit about what any open letter says. It’s the results that matter. And the results say that you guys are getting your breakfast, lunch, and dinner eaten by RHEL, Feodra, CentOS, Ubuntu, and Debian. Why don’t you guys just go spend your time porting your boring management software to distros that actually matter? or work on something that people want, like C#.

But whatever, if you want to port your crack-addled configuration system to yet another UI toolkit, be my guest. Now that Qt is LGPL, you can even port things back! Yay! For those of you that haven’t seen it, here’s the wonderful UI for picking package updates.

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And to help you understand that, I’ve added in green, the path that your eye is supposed to take to make sense of things.

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So far the only thing I’ve heard that openSUSE is good for is to do development for SLES, and only if you happen to be a poor Novell employee. Because folks tell me that you can’t actually do SLES development using SLES. Yay!

Oh, and we can also thank Novell and SuSE for giving money to jackasses like GregKH. Why is it that the FOSS world attracts so many jackasses? Something about, how I wrote this free software for free and for freedom, so if you do anything with it, I at least get to be a totally pain in your ass. Thanks Novell, for supporting people like GregKH. Why don’t you fund him for another month so he can write a whole new deck about why Ubuntu sucks. Because that makes openSUSE just seem that much better. And it’s like, totally awesome for Linux.

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Anonymous said...

LINUX > *

PS: FIRST POST LOLS

thepld said...

SuSe was my first distro, and it was really depressing to watch it go down hill. 10.0 was one of the best distros ever, but 10.1 was completely broken. The mere act of starting the package manager would cause the system to lock up completely, forcing a hard reset.

The repositories are a mess, as you're forced to rely on third party repos for remotely up to date software.

And YaST went from being a decent configuration tool to being an utter disaster. The interface looks like it dates back to the Motif years.
Its really a shame, as they have one of the more organized dev communities. Pity half the tools they rely upon are completely broken (RPM is a dead format at this point)

oiaohm said...

Ok Linux Hater thanks for a good idea to use when design gui. Draw a line with eye path.

Wish some Windows and OS X applications would take that onboard as well

thepld said...

Oh, and I almost forgot, God help you if you need to use the documentation. Its pretty much nonexistent except for a few posts covering some basic howtos.

Anonymous said...

I've never really used openSuSE or care to, so I won't comment on this. :)

Jake T said...

I heard openSUSE had the best KDE 4 builds.

But when I tried to use it, my ATI video card driver was broke, so I don't really know.

huh.

Anonymous said...

OpenSUSE, much like many other distros, was nothing special anyway.

Anonymous said...

Is there a desktop distribution which is not totally broken anyway?

What is Linux? said...

The "green line" is the funniest thing I've seen on the intercords yet. Because it's true. Ubuntu is no better, though, but I hope that some UI designers get the point and start organizing their messes.

Danny Boy, FCD said...

The GUI is mostly an afterthought. Every linux fanboi ought to stick with the CLI like it's the 90's.

Anonymous said...

Danny Boy, FCD, is your '7' key broken?

Anonymous said...

Is it just me, or does it seem like the Linux Hater has either had a brain transplant or has been spending too much time on Xbox Live? What once was a satirical look at the Linux community has now turned to open hate and malice. Not very compelling anymore.

Anonymous said...

A lot more 2nd rate distros need to die as well. Mandrake, PCLos, etc.. And 3rd rate ones too like Sabayon, MEPIS, Mint, etc, etc.

Jebus H Christ, is there really a need for more than 3 or 4 distros? I know freetards just love all that Choice(tm), but half of this shit is the same damned thing only with different desktop wallpaper.

Wheeee, I chose Mint because it looks Minty fresh and has a neato menu!! Ahhh I feel so freeeeee.

*gag*

Anonymous said...

Back when I cared to keep trying every new Linux thing, PCLinuxOS was touted as the ultimate in usability. My reaction? It's fucking stock KDE with the background and some colors changed.

The best for this is Ubuntu Satanic Edition; it's like a public mockery of the whole distro thing.

Anonymous said...

"What once was a satirical look at the Linux community has now turned to open hate and malice."

Maybe that's why its called Linux Haters?

Anonymous said...

That opening line about crack is funny as hell. And the SUSE page you linked to is actually the most damning indictment of SUSE in particular and Linux in general I have ever seen.

http://en.opensuse.org/BrainStorming_Prague

* puzel: IMHO it is not trivial even for an experienced openSUSE user to properly setup multimedia support (codecs, dvd support, uncrippled xine libraries, ...).

* it is a shame when I install openSUSE to someone, tell him it is easy to use, he comes after two days with it-cant-play-whatever complaints and I have to spend an hour or so in root terminal fixing it

* I think that multimedia/restricted formats support is one of the first things one usually does after new installation


It's full of comments like "X drivers are flaky, not ready in time for release (ATI & nVidia)...drivers themselves often fail miserably in (slightly) more complicated scenarios". "Slow/unstable applications",

Anonymous said...

I tried SuSE last year. Because it would come with things that made Linux useful (like adobe acrobat) I thought that it was alright. Then they sent out some update and YaST wouldn't work.

Considering at that point I realized it is Linux's only hope of being a real system - Linux is fucking hopeless.

Anonymous said...

OK, he is not Miguel de Icaza

.net prick said...

Take a close look at the most vocal linux advocates on the web and you'll notice that they have no background in software development.

Just look at some of the top members of people's revolutionary p.r. squad:

Roy Schestowitz
Top linux whore is actually a student for life who has been getting a degree that is completely unrelated to computers. Going to school for life however provides him with plenty of time to spam the net with pro-linux bullshit.

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols
IT writer who has very little real world experience (his resume can be found online), but still gets paid to make his annual claim about the year of the linux desktop.

Christopher Dawson
IT director for a school district. If he had been working in the private sector he would be fired by now given the amount of bullshit he has been called on.

Bruce Byfield
Used to be an english instructor, now writes about how wonderful open source software is. Would probably lose his virginity to Stallman if given the chance.


So what we have here is a very vocal group who really has no experience writing software, which precludes them from knowing what a major fucking pain in the ass it is do develop, *deploy* and *support* commercial software on linux[1].

You will begin to notice this a lot in linuxland, a place that is filled with people who have no idea as to how much programming and testing is required to produce something like photoshop, so for them the lack of software on linux is always related more to microsoft conspiracies or greed on the behalf of executives. They have no idea of what a mess linux is on a lower level because of course they never have to work there. To them blogs like this are ran by sith lords for the empire and thus motive of the critic is what concerns them, not actual technical criticism of their beloved linux.
For them all criticism is just the outcry of MS empire, as it battles with obi wan linus and stallman the hut.
In sum we have a bunch of IT tabloid spewing english majors that think they're in a fucking star wars universe, not planet earth where software exists to solve problems.

[1] Not actually an OS or platform, just a massive cluster fuck of operating systems that share the same kernel, which is a clone of a kernel that was designed in the disco era.

p.s.
thank god linux hater is back, at least partly. all the other blogs suck.

- .net prick (aka .net jerkface)

Alex said...

At work we use Debian and Ubuntu workstations. These are IMHO the only decent distros available (although Ubuntu keeps delivering broken features that used to work).

And at home I just gave up and installed Windows Vista (came with my computer). I would never use Windows for software development of course, but for personal entertainment I just want something that works.

Anonymous said...

I would never use Windows for software development of course

And why not? Have you ever tried to develop with C# using VS 2008 with stuff like WPF/Linq? I do that every day and after a year of work, I even abandoned my OSX at home and got me Vista to develop .NET in my spare time.

I seriously would NEVER even consider not to develop on Windows anymore :-).

Anonymous said...

There was nothing constructive in this post. You used to actually be a good read, because you pointed out specific areas which needed improvement. This was just hate for no reason. It is this blog that should be left to die; clearly you have run out of ideas. Please, stop embarrassing yourself.

Anonymous said...

oh hi.
I develop drivers both for Linux and Windows.

Linux is effing terrible development environment - no good debug tools, no kernel debugger, no framework for drivers, no decent documentation, nothing.

Johan said...

It's a bit odd to first talk about Qt, and then immediately show a picture of a GTK interface.

Btw, I use OpenSUSE, and it works great.

Anonymous said...

This comment thread isn't going to have a lot of Linux defenders because most Linux users don't give a shit about openSuSE, and a sizable number of them hate the Microsoft-funded company that makes it.

And I wouldn't rule out Miguel as LH. Miguel founded Ximian/Mono/Gnome, he has no real relation to SuSE (in fact SuSE for most of it's history was KDE focused). Notice how LH promoted C#, the primary language of the Mono project. Miguel also likes to promote C# (specifically C# the language).

Dread Knight said...

I tried OpenSuSe several times because they are pretty supported by people and have one-click-install and support GNOME and KDE. Besides the fact i don't like their forum board or pick of colors, i fucking hate yast. Most fucking ugly shit ever.
And "open - suse" ? I mean... is the gecko cut-open and dying on the surgery table or wtf?

Just use the damn kpackagekit with system settings integration in KDE... and go for apt/deb perhaps?

I really like their future project... a website that would make their distro "the distro" because it would allow people to just make their distro as they want right before downloading it and burn it to dvd or whatever they wish for. I really think that's the way to go with linux: a single major toolkit (qt), polished applications that have a lot of features and allow customization and that are designed well right from the start, as well as being next to bug-less as possible. Just provide some nice predefined interface set-ups/layouts (like one panel, 2 panels, 1 panel + some dock manager etc) and some nice skins out of the box and average people shouldn't give a fuck about backends and tool kits. We don't need N shitty applications that are buddy and supposed to do the same shit or lots of different package managers because the freedom of choice in open source and linux turns against it... and talking about several different distros is like talking about completely different operating system. One package format and manager ftw, one customizable right before the start distro ftw.

KILL GTK and GNOME. Google don't make chrome with GTK please. kthxbye

Anonymous said...

LOL @ jerkface

Now we've gone from "linux is for programmers and CS students" to "only people that have nothing to do with CS promote it". What's next, command-line users hate linux? Or you wake up?

Anonymous said...

If you are a unix hacker/geek, you'll feel at home in Linux.

For anyone else, developing in Linux is a PITA. I'm sorry, I also became a Windows convert after working for a while with Visual Studio and C# 3.0. And now I don't have to test my project on a thousand configurations and I can release a single tested installer, which is also a big plus.

Anonymous said...

If you are a unix hacker/geek, you'll feel at home in Linux.

If you're a Unix hacker, you'll quickly realize that Linux isn't Unix, and move on to FreeBSD, or Solaris, or OS X.

Anonymous said...

LOL that green line drawing was funny as hell, I was lying on the floor laughing so hard LOL!!! And "I would rather use Gentoo before using OpenSuse", that was the cherry on the sundae hahaha!

Seriously though, every Linux distro except Debian/Ubuntu based and Fedora/Redhat based ones should just die. We need to weed out the weak distros and let only 2 of the strongest continue.

Just as today's economy was caused by businesses that have poor businesses practices, so should Linux distros.

Yes let OpenSUSE die!

btw, YAST means (yet another shitty try)

Alvarez said...

JAJAJAJAJAJ
@ 'every C# "programmer"'

Coding C# is not programming, it's pretend to program while having open "Visual Studio C#.NET-shiT.sHit.Shit" so people passing by think: "Oh, look at that messy and uselessly saturated interface, he must be a hardcore programmer!"

Real programmers don't need that messy shit. For example I program Python in Vim (NOT gVim), and right there I have eveything I would ever need.

C# is a remix of the old/obsolete C sintaxis and the slowlyness from Java, adding the new .NET framework, perfect for your buggy windows shit of everyday!

Anonymous said...

Real programmers don't need that messy shit. For example I program Python in Vim (NOT gVim)

It's a nice thing you've made that clear. Who would think you are a REAL programmer if you has said you use gVim instead of Vim?

I hope you don't have X.org installed though. That is reserved for the weak and losers.

Marcus Meissner said...

Fun that you rant about QT YaST, but this is the GTK version, moron.

You probably find the QT YaST patch selector sucking too.

Anonymous said...

Real programmers don't need that messy shit. For example I program Python in Vim (NOT gVim), and right there I have eveything I would ever need.

You aren't talking about real programmers but about open source cocksuckers like you are. Real programmers have to care about the quality of their code and for that reason they appreciate managed platforms like .NET and the comfort of a modern IDE like Visual Studio. Heck, the debugger alone makes VS a more valuable tool than your whole shitty suit of linnerd masturbation aids.

Of course you don't care about such subtleties, I mean it's not like somebody uses your crappy programs. But you know kid, there are people out there who actually make money with their software. So please, sucker, keep your dirty mouth shut or go back to the l00nix playgrounds on Slashdot.

Anonymous said...

What an utter waste of time... you wake up on Fridays and type up garbage for a hobby?

Anonymous said...

Fun that you rant about QT YaST, but this is the GTK version, moron.

Where does it say that he's talking about the Qt GUI?

Learn to read.

Anonymous said...

The green line is awsome !

And look carefully on the UI design: Lots of space wasted, but the information you want to read as small as possible.

This is the standard loonix UI.

Anonymous said...

Welcome back, .net. Linux Hater missed your refreshing logic.

Of course soon we'll hear, "But in Linux land, *everybody* can be a hacker, even career English majors! Just one line here and one line there, and after billions of one liners, *wham*! Quality software! Magically! WantToBelieve(TM)!"

Anonymous said...

Fuck dude, real programmers use vi. vim is for fags.

Anonymous said...

vi is for poseurs. Anything other than ed over a DEC VT05 (VT100 is also for poseurs) is amateurish.

Anonymous said...

Real programmers don't need that messy shit. For example I program Python in Vim (NOT gVim), and right there I have eveything I would ever need.

Ahhhh the lintard logic at work. Make a claim that real programmers don't need that messy shit. And now back it up. Uh they don't need it because I use python and vim not gvim.

The lintard logic is so palpable in that paragraph that I can smell it. It reminds me of the smell of a lintards basement. That acrid pungent smell of empty mountain dew bottles used to piss in and left on the shelf. Don't drink from the already open mountain dew bottles in a lintards basement.

Anonymous said...

Yet, despite the obsession with old tools and methods, these folks claim that, somehow, Linux offers a compelling modern experience to everybody.

Anonymous said...

Linux is stuck so hard in the 70's, Lintards are still excited about the Bee-Gees.

Anonymous said...

You're dam right it's compelling. Because after trying it out, you come to your senses realizing what a joke this OS is, and how all "the cool apps" aren't even there, then you go back realizing why you ever left windows in the first place!


"these folks claim that, somehow, Linux offers a compelling modern experience to everybody."

Anonymous said...

C# is a over-abstracted verbose copy of Java. If you want to make a decent language starting from Java ISN'T the right way to do it.

krsaborio said...

"Take a close look at the most vocal linux advocates on the web and you'll notice that they have no background in software development."

You forgot Pamela Jones, public affairs queen.

First some background...

The first anti-SCO article was published by Pamela Jones on May 17, 2003 and was titled "SCO Falls Downstairs, Hitting Its Head On Every Step".

A few days later, she published "Speaking of HIPAA, Do MS's EULAs Violate It?". "Speaking of HIPAA, Do MS's EULAs Violate It?" helped relate Pamela Jones of Groklaw to a company named MedAbiliti.

One month earlier, MedAbiliti announced "Exemplar International Chooses MedAbiliti for HIPAA Compliance". A press release mentioned Pamela Jones as director for public affairs at MedAbiliti.

What product was sold by MedAbiliti?

MedAbiliti sold its major product named XM Network to Exemplar International, Inc. XM Network run on Linux and was written on open source software. Exemplar International is known today as Examinetics.

The business relation between MedAbiliti and Exemplar International, Inc. was announced on February 18, 2003. About 2 weeks after, SCO filed its lawsuit against IBM.

Did Exemplar International questioned MedAbiliti about XM Network and the implications of the SCO lawsuit?

Enter Pamela Jones, director for public affairs at MedAbiliti.

Groklaw constantly preaches about open source values, yet its parent company MedAbiliti didn't share XM Network with the community. Instead, XM Network is today fully copyrighted and a patent is pending.

krsaborio said...

PJ's smoking gun:

SPEAKING OF HIPAA, DO MS' EULAS VIOLATE IT?


Look for the last paragraph: "Meanwhile, back on Planet Reality, you can learn about what HIPAA all means here ..."

Notice the link on the word 'here'.

More about Groklaw - Pamela Jones

Anonymous said...

Mr. Saborio,

Who do you work for then? SCO?

krsaborio said...

You may call me Kenneth. No need for formalities.

I just think people should know the facts.

Responsible writers often disclose their business relations.

While bloggers now enjoy some
First Amendment immunity, this might change in the future.

Check hwww.krsaborio.net to find out what I've done in the past. And sorry, I don't know anyone at SCO.

krsaborio said...

What about PJ's gun before being fired?

This is how it looked:

MedAbiliti press release


"CONTACT: Pamela Jones, Director, Public Affairs, MedAbiliti, +1-914-761-7423,
fax - +1-866-792-5299, pjones@medabiliti.com"

krsaborio said...

MedAbiliti
press release copy
is case the previous link doesn't show t all content.

Anonymous said...

How to create a linux distro 101
================================

a.) copy one of the hundreds of distros available, gentoo, slack, fedora, debian, whatever doesn't matter they all suck anyways. It's like organizing crap horizontally instead of in a circle. Shit is shit regardless.

b.) change the wallpaper and using notepad, search and replace any file in the distro that references the original distro name, and instead put your own name in. Choose geeky names like, jeen2, blorp, Ktastica,Gnomemadness, DivaVida, JAckAxx, FluxofCgullz, Contorshun, some other weird ass name. Make it so people have a hard time remembering the name, let alone saying it.

c.) Intentionally make the default app/browser fonts as shitty looking as possible. We don't want people to think they're still using windows/mac. By using shitty fonts, they will know exactly what OS they're running on. If you're lucky, they'll be busy tearing there eyes out that they wont notice the other things that don't work properly.

d.) Install Gimp, because really there is nothing else out there for free. And we like to use interfaces circa 1988, this way people get nostalgic ,"hey I saw that on Amiga back in 1986! cool!"


e.) install openoffice, because really, there's nothing else better for free or paid

f.) install pidgin/evolution, because really, there's nothing else free or paid.

g.) make sure the versions of software you install are maybe 1 or 2 revisions old. We can't ever have the latest opensource versions like on windows, not even in backports or testing.
Download and click to install indeed, ha! that's for noobs.

h.) Make it extremely difficult to get DVD playback or playing flash possible. In fact make it so that it breaks sound/video or other apps. 2 points for breaking the OS altogether.

i.) maybe have 3, 4, maybe 5 different video players installed. Because 1 media player is not enough. Make it so that you use 1 player for sound, another for mpg videos, another for DVDS. We wouldn't want a single media player, that would break the theory of choice.

j.) Create forums that scold new users if they don't know how to fix it themselves using terminal while masturbating to Mozart.

k.) use aptsux because doing updates/installing apps any other way than downloading and clicking on a file is NOOB.

Make it so you have no idea if the package you're about to install is a required part of the OS, some other fluff, or if it will break your system. "glibcc xorg compiler thingy?" Um, sure ..I 'm not sure what it does, but yeah lets update that too!

l.) Make it so when you enable desktop effects, it hard locks the system. After all Compiz is the shit, it's so hot it needs to chill from rotating the cube too much.

m.) install games with penguins as the main character. Because he's so cute! Call of Duty indeed! Who needs a FPS when sliding down the mountain as a penguin will do fine!

n.) Finally add it to distrowatch, because we all love it when "just one more" new distro comes out." Strength in numbers baby. We suck, but if we band together we suck "en masse".

Anonymous said...

"How to create a linux distro 101"

o. Get Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols to write a review. SVN loves to do it because it contributes to his quota to obtain Christmas gifts from IBM.

Anonymous said...

p. Have the community review the distro. Make sure it's people that would never use the distro full time to really understand the weaknesses. Those people should gloss over the 10 things that were problematic during the install by just saying they will be fixed in the future(TM). They should also declare it a nice little distro after moving the mouse cursor a few times back and forth. They should also say how excited they are by this distro and how much they are looking forward to seeing more even though they will never use it full time.

Anonymous said...

You're dam right it's compelling. Because after trying it out, you come to your senses realizing what a joke this OS is, and how all "the cool apps" aren't even there, then you go back realizing why you ever left windows in the first place!

How true. I never knew how good Windows is until I experienced Linux for myself.

That's why I encourage people to try Linux for a while, and see for themselves.

Anonymous said...

How to install MAME for Windows
===============================

1.) download the latest mame32 directly from the mame32 website, double click to install, and place your roms under the roms folder and run the program.


How to install MAME for Linux
================================

1.) first, check if the latest version of the mame software is in repository or backports/testing. There is a good chance,.. no make it 100% chance that it will not even be there.

2.) ok step 2, compile your own mame, just follow these few simple steps even a 3yr old can do:

run terminal and sudo
Install Compilers:
Code:
sudo apt-get install build-essential
Install ZLIB development package:
Code:
sudo apt-get install zlib1g-dev
Install SDL development package:
Code:
sudo apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev
Install expat libraries:
Code:
sudo apt-get install libexpat1-dev
Install xinerama libraries:
Code:
sudo apt-get install libxinerama-dev
Now you need the sdl source code, so download it from here:
http://rbelmont.mameworld.info/?page_id=163
http://rbelmont.mameworld.info/sdlmame0112.zip
Note: you can't use wget, you have to visit the web page and download it too.
unzip it:
Code:
unzip sdlmame0112.zip
Code:
cd sdlmame0112
Build it:
Code:
make
When it's done, you'll see mamepm in the directory.
To actually run MAME, you'll need some arcade roms. Get a legal one here:
Code:
cd roms
wget http://www.mamedev.org/roms/gridlee/gridlee.zip
cd ..
Try it out:
Code:
./mamepm gridlee

3.) Ok, wasn't that easy? AWESOME!
Wait a minute..I ran the program and now it says "No package 'glib-2.0' found"?

HMMM, ok I guess I need to install glib-2.0. No problem, just do this teeny extra step:

sudo apt-get install libglib2.0-dev

4.) Great! Now we can run the program from the shortcut! O Dam, what the hell was I thinking, this is Linux, silly goose, let me just create the shortcut manually! Because if I don't have enough practice, I might go all nooby like windows!. there done!

5.) Yay time to run it! Oh oh, wait, it can't find my roms! I forgot, they made linux mame point to the system fodler instead of the home folder, no problem. Just edit:

/etc/sdlmame/mame.ini

(you'll have to use sudo/gksudo/kdesu) with at least the path to your ROMs and your set.

6.) Wheee! Ok now, run! but wait! No sound!

Hmmm..no problem, i forgot to switch the sound device from /dev/dsp to .../dev/dsp0 ~ /dev/dsp2, then to /dev/audio

There! all done, whee i hear sound now!

7.) O wait, my first rom didn't find the joystick, silly me!

It appears the joystick shows up as /dev/input/js0 etc, however linux mame assumes they are in /dev/js. Hmm, silly silly silly.

Now To make it work, add -jdev /dev/input/js to the end of command string of your launcher.

All right we can run mame now easy peasy,, and only 7 steps.

:)

Anonymous said...

Yeah, but, Linux gives you the CHOICE to install software in 9,756 steps instead of 1. Software in one step is corporate evil vendor lock-in.

Anonymous said...

I'm actually thinking of creating my own distro to mock the vast plethora of 3rd rate knock off distros.

Here's my road map so far:

1) Base it on Linux Mint, which is based on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian.

2) Think up a catchy name and logo. I'm leaning toward "Ridiculux." Maybe a logo of a turd, and a snazzy catch phrase like "Same old shit."

3) Change the colors, icons, and desktop wallpaper. This step is VERY important... Especially for the SJVN review.

4) Write some pointless "value added" gtk app with a horrible GUI to include... Preferably it should have something to do with package management that solves no real problem and only adds complexity.

Viola! I bet it'd be in the top 10 at dsitrowatch within a week.

Anonymous said...

All I had to do was:
sudo apt-get install sdlmame

And Windows requires using a fucking "web browser" to download software? Wow, I didn't Windows sucked _that_ badly. I haven't used it since 1998 I figure by now Microsoft would figure out how to clone apt-get

Anonymous said...

Based on your roadmap I am already in the planning stages of a new distro based on ridiculux. My new distro will be called regoddamndiculux.

I feel that ridiculux would limit my choices and as such I must offer regoddamndiculux.

My goal is to entice 50 lintards to adopt regoddamndiculux as there main operating system and become dependant on it.

At that point I will cease development and tell them that the source code is all there just do it yourself.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, pretty much only a deceptive Wintard can spin Windows's lack of any kind of real software management as an advantage. These people put spin doctors to shame. :)

I can't see what other bullshit they come up with.

Anonymous said...

@February 21, 2009 6:19 PM

Good luck with it. Linux is about freedom, if you want to make an OS with a turd as a logo, that's your right.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, pretty much only a deceptive Wintard can spin Windows's lack of any kind of real software management as an advantage.

You mean the ability to install and uninstall the latest version of applications seamlessly? Please tell me more about how much that sucks. I'm very interested.

Anonymous said...

Windows "package management" consists of executable 'installer' binaries who have the ability to shit whatever they want all over your hard disc, including rootkits. Quite frankly, my other box is your probably your Windows box.

Anonymous said...

Installing Linux binaries carries the same risk. Even if the proprietor is friendly, he can be rooted like anyone else. And don't say it can't happen--it has.

Even if you're the best coder in the world, the backwards Linux distribution system puts your project at the mercy of idiot package managers who introduce security holes for fun.

Anonymous said...

"Windows "package management" consists of executable 'installer' binaries who have the ability to shit whatever they want all over your hard disc, including rootkits."

I can make a .deb that does same fucking thing. Try again.

Hell I bet I could make an open source trojan and get people to install it because in reality not that many people even read the source code much less understand what the fuck its doing (or I could post clean source code but offer a compromised binary). The later might actually be the best route given the WorksForMe(TM) attitude of Lusers.

I can see it now...
Luser-Newb: "gNadsKicker completely WTFPWNED my system!"
Luser-Elite: "Works for me."

Anonymous said...

You can make a .deb that does same thing, but you are a fucktard if you do. You should always use the official repository, which already has 25000+ packages, all signed and peer reviewed.

Anonymous said...

Peer reviewed like SSH was, right?

Anonymous said...

Hey, no software is perfect. Microsoft software has so many holes they could sell it as Swiss cheese, so what is your point? At least in Ubuntu you don't have to trust your computer to random installers on the Internet anytime you want to install something.

Anonymous said...

The official packages are awesome unless you want MP3 or DVD playback or any video whatsoever. But, as well all know, YouDon'tNeedThatFeature(TM).

Anonymous said...

sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras

You were saying?

Anonymous said...

I'd rather have my software prepared by its author than some clueless package manager. I fail to see how adding incompetent middlemen enhances anything.

Anonymous said...

You can make a .deb that does same thing, but you are a fucktard if you do. You should always use the official repository, which already has 25000+ packages, all signed and peer reviewed.

You mean the official repository where I can't get the multimedia software and latest versions of applications that a modern desktop needs?

Don't drink from mountain dew bottles in a lintards basement.

Anonymous said...

I like people like you because you add nodes to my botnet.

Anonymous said...

sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras

You were saying?


I'm saying use Windows or MacOS where you don't have to deal with command line nonsense just to get a system on par with Windows 95.

Anonymous said...

sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras

You were saying?


Are you saying that every six months a lintard at ubuntu parses every line of source code to keep me safe?

Is that what you are saying?

Anonymous said...

Are you saying that every six months a lintard at ubuntu parses every line of source code to keep me safe?

No, actually it's two years, but that's only in the case for important things like SSH. Freetards hate this "nonfree" stuff, anyway, so they'll never look at it. When your system gets rooted because of their political laziness, they'll blame Microsoft.

Anonymous said...

There is a noob friendly GUI package manager. Personally I just find the command line easier.

Anonymous said...

@February 21, 2009 7:13 PM

Packages are peer reviewed by the Masters of the Universe (MOTU). If a package is found to have a security issue after the fact, MOTU and SRU teams issue a patch. Any such software in the repository can be updated in this manner. Microsoft IIRC has a similar system called "Microsoft Update" or "Windows Update", but it doesn't update most 3rd party software. Which means security holes can linger much longer.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, cuz there's no way to update programs without Windows Update. Someone should notify Firefox, Sun, and Adobe.

Anonymous said...

That's true, but one thing I find annoying about Windows is the fact that there is on any given system, five "updater" background processes. Many of them are quite annoying, and malware in their own right. For instance, both Apple and Adobe updater have a history of not just updating software, but installing completely unrelated software. Basically they are using them as tools to push crap on the end users PC that make them money in some way.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, that's nothing like some console program pulling in the entirety of X and GNOME because some package manager decided to enable every optional component, whether or not such makes sense.

Anonymous said...

In January 17, 2004 Havoc Pennington talked about the Linux desktop [45.6MB WMV] 
Part 1a 
Part 1b 
Part 2a 
Part 2b 

Slides
[PDF]

A freetard friend wrote just now "Personally I just find the command line easier".

It seems as things haven't changed much with the Linux desktop in 4 years.

Anonymous said...

Yeah I could be intentionally vague about problems in Linux too, but then again I am not a fucktard.

Anonymous said...

That was directed at February 21, 2009 7:45 PM

Anonymous said...

Not to mention how nebulous needing to install something like ubuntu-restricted-extras is. All this boasting about 20,000 packages and we're supposed to figure out that "restricted-extras" equals "make video and music work".

Anonymous said...

Well fuck, I find the command line easier and faster. I use the CLI for input intensive tasks and GUI for output intensive tasks. But really the GUI is sufficent for most people and that's fine. But for me it's nice that there is a powerful CLI and other CLI-like tools like Gnome-Do for me to use.

juanito said...

How true. I never knew how good Windows is until I experienced Linux for myself.

I second that. I never thought that Windows was that powerful until I started reading this blog and tried to use ONLY ubuntu at work.

Anonymous said...

ubuntu-restricted-packages is just the package name. In the noob friendly package manager, which doesn't use package names, it's described pretty much as "this gets music and movies to fucking work".

Even if you don't find that, all you got to do is to get a codec is to try to play a file of the codec type, and Ubuntu will offer to install the codec for you. This is similar to windows media player's prompt, except it actually works

Anonymous said...

@February 21, 2009 7:56 PM

How many work days did you lose trying to print?

Anonymous said...

Well I use Ubuntu and Windows at work, so I didn't have that problem. Windows runs just fine on Virtualbox, and I even made an nLite'ed XP that booted in like 5 seconds on virtual hardware.

Anonymous said...

"Windows runs just fine on Virtualbox, and I even made an nLite'ed XP that booted in like 5 seconds on virtual hardware."

What processor are you using?

A Pentium II 233MHz.

Anonymous said...

It's a Core 2 Duo machine with 2 GB of RAM. I usually dedicate 512 MB to XP when I run it. I actually have several VMs running XP, with different software. So what I do is if I want to do work somewhere else I can just put whatever VM I need on a flash drive and take it to any other computer running virtualbox and continue my work, with all my apps and files intact.

Anonymous said...

I remember when Linux wasn't able to run properly with large RAM.

As soon as Sun released the sources of Solaris 8 in early 2000, the BSD and Linux freetards learned how to do it.

Program Overview FAQ E-mail

Anonymous said...

I remember when Microsoft wasn't able to design a GUI.

As soon as Xerox released the specs of Alto in early 1983, the Apple and Microsoft slaverytards learned how to do it.

[INSERT PERSONAL WEBSITE SPAM HERE]

Anonymous said...

The slaverytards (Wintards, Mactards) hate us for our freedom. They are nothing but terrorists, no different then Osama bin Laden.

In fact Microsoft did 911. I saw Bill Gates personally drive the plane into the first tower. When it fell, Microsoft had a street party in their headquarters with free booze and deep fried human fetuses. When you use Windows every few seconds, a little bit of your soul is removed by Microsoft, slowly eating you alive.

Anonymous said...

"slaverytards" gives you away. That's way too innovative.

Anonymous said...

"The slaverytards (Wintards, Mactards) hate us for our freedom."

It might be your 'freedom'!

But you lock your customers with support charges.

That's what open source is, right? It's about support business.

Anonymous said...

1776: The Declaration of Independence is signed, creating a new country which respects freedom of speech and religion
1853: All forms of slavery in America falls with the end of the Civil War
1945: Nazi Germany falls, ending the rule of the biggest racist/fascist force in Europe
1953: Stalin dies, and along with him, his reign of terror
1989: The Berlin Walls crumples, along with the USSR and centrally planned economies in Europe.
2008: Bush finally leaves office in the United States
2009: The Year of the Linux Desktop

Linux. One step in a new age. An age of freedom. And all will know that 300+ "freetards" (but more like millions) fought to protect it.

.net prick said...

"Now we've gone from "linux is for programmers and CS students" to "only people that have nothing to do with CS promote it". What's next, command-line users hate linux? Or you wake up?"

I've never claimed that linux is for programmers and CS students. Most programmers prefer Visual Studio which is why MS can charge a few grand for the premium version even though the main competition is FREE.
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3616626

My opinion is that linux is not for programmers but for angst-ridden teenagers and IT admins who want to be worshiped for writing a bash script that automounts a fucking cd-rom drive.

As for waking up I did that years ago when I realized that linux and java were overrated crap pushed by people who were more concerned with seeing microsoft fail than actually creating useful software.

Speaking of java after using c#/.net I wanted to fly to California and kick Gosling in the nuts for wasting my goddamn time. Linus should be kicked in the nuts too for his release only a kernel/go back to masturbating while everyone fights over basic standards philosophy.

.net prick said...

"I'm actually thinking of creating my own distro to mock the vast plethora of 3rd rate knock off distros.

Here's my road map so far:

1) Base it on Linux Mint, which is based on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian."

Good idea, but just call it Linux Hater Edition and make main difference from mint be that the home page defaults to linux hater. Then we'll all bump it up on distrowatch for laffs.

Call the first version 1.0 or Angry Asshole edition.

Anonymous said...

>"sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras"

That's an excellent way to enable DVD support, which doesn't work BTW (if you ever tried it), and the next time you do apt updates, expect "silence is golden[TM]" silence" once your pulseaudio/alsa settings get fucked in the process.

>"All I had to do was:
sudo apt-get install sdlmame"

Yes that's one way to install the old version of mame. Now try plugging in a joystick in USB port 2,and why you're at it, try to add some rom files.

O wait, you have to change it in the mame menu, Go to Option > Directories and save.

But before you do that, you did remember to chmod 777 the /etc/sdlmame/mame.ini right?

>"And Windows requires using a fucking "web browser" to download software? Wow, I didn't Windows sucked _that_ badly. I haven't used it since 1998 I figure by now Microsoft would figure out how to clone apt-get"

I'm SO sorry, did anyone tell you it's 2009?, and yes, EVERYONE has web browsers (news flash!)

I think 10yrs ago it was included in Windows 98, you know, the last time you used windows to step out of the basement?

Anonymous said...

"Real programmers don't need that messy shit. For example I program Python in Vim (NOT gVim), and right there I have eveything I would ever need."

You ass hole, *REAL* *PROGRAMMER* need only 1's and 0's .... so get a new keyboard with only 2 buttons.

Anonymous said...

Keyboards are for posers. Real programmers use punch cards.

Anonymous said...

1776: The Declaration of Independence is signed, creating a new country which respects freedom of speech and religion
1853: All forms of slavery in America falls with the end of the Civil War
1945: Nazi Germany falls, ending the rule of the biggest racist/fascist force in Europe
1953: Stalin dies, and along with him, his reign of terror
1989: The Berlin Walls crumples, along with the USSR and centrally planned economies in Europe.
2008: Bush finally leaves office in the United States
2009: The Year of the Linux Desktop

Linux. One step in a new age. An age of freedom. And all will know that 300+ "freetards" (but more like millions) fought to protect it.


You win the thread!

Anonymous said...

haha .net jerkface, you paid for Visual Studio? Well I got it for free - 100% legal too for attending some stupid Microsoft convention.

Anonymous said...

Anyway all programmer jobs are destined to be outsourced to India anyway. Most professional programmers aren't worth two shits.

Anonymous said...

All you slaverytards please die in a fire. Just the thought of slaverytard being burned alive gives me a major boner.

Anonymous said...

Slaverytard? Like picking cotton in a field, Slaverytard? Or wait, are you honestly equating a license agreement slavery? By that logic anyone with GPL software (Linux) is a slaverytard too. Perhaps you should have thought that one out a bit more.

Anonymous said...

Slaverytard is the opposite of freetard, as in they are Windows-supporting and often also are racist/neo-Nazis. Usually they just like killing and raping children, but sometimes they programing .NET code or talk shit about Linux.

Anonymous said...

The slaverytard fuhrer giving a speech.

Anonymous said...

The logic behind your term doesn't work. You have restrictions on your licenses just like proprietary software does. These are agreements to which you always have the option of rejecting and not using the software. Slaves do not have the option of going "Fuck you, I'm out".

Try again.

Anonymous said...

Slaverytard, would be a term that encompasses freetards.

Anonymous said...

slaverytard is the non-working, ugly, never finished, buggy, lame attempt to copy the word freetard. But hey it's free.

.net prick said...

"Most professional programmers aren't worth two shits."

Oh right because most professional software is useless. That's why I did my taxes with an abacus and wrote my grandma with some indian ink and an eagle feather.

Most programmers don't want to donate their free time to Stallman's Don Quioxte crusade. It is actually a lot easier for Stallman to fool the non-programmer into believing that writing software for free is some higher ideal.

That's why we have so many liberal arts majors spewing the joys of giving your hard work away for free. They really have no clue as to how much work goes into even a simple program like notepad. They assume it doesn't take much more effort than writing an intellectually dishonest blog post for zdnet.

Anonymous said...

I guess that'd explain the abundance of books and movies where some super-elite hacker can type asdfjkl from any PC and get into any other system even if it isn't connected to the internet.

Anonymous said...

Stallman tells you it's better to work as a waiter than write non-free-as-in-stallman-free-software, while he makes a living just by giving the same crappy speech over and over in lousy conferences.

To that, I say: fuck off and die, you hypocrites.

Danny Boy, FCD said...

Did someone say something about Mint Linux Hater Edition? I'm all for it! Where can I download the image files? BTW, make Opera or some other proprietary browser the default. In fact, it should use as much proprietary software as legally possible :D

j. said...

i personally like how opensuse includes an utility to join windows domain, that doesn't do anything since 10.1 or so.
it doesn't even come with winbind installed, and it never gets time from ntp.

opensuse sure is swell.

Anonymous said...

This gave me an idea to spin my own commercial distro. I'm going to base it on Opensuse, and instead call it OpenSorez.

-OpenSorez[TM], the ultimate distro, will be different than any other distro before it. It will be guaranteed to run your favorite windows programs*

*requires use of Whine[TM]

-Since Whine[TM] is the only app installed on OpenSorez[TM], you can run all your favorite software in windows...at half the speed and half the functionality, because as someone said earlier:

YouDon'tNeedThatFeature(TM)

Anonymous said...

I remember watching Disney's Wall-E, there was a scene where the captain told AUTO (the ship autopilot):

"I don't want to SURVIVE!, I want to LIVE!".

Made me recall the time I tried Linux and got teh courage to erase it and put Vista instead

In the end, IwantedThoseFeaturesThatActuallyWork(TM)

Anonymous said...

1998: Early in January, lintards claim that this is going to be the year of Linux on the desktop, despite Linux being way behind mainstream desktop operating systems in respect of usability. During the next 12 months, the share of Linux in the desktop market raises by an amount that could be easily mistaken for a rounding error.

1999: Early in January, lintards claim that this is going to be the year of Linux on the desktop, despite Linux being way behind mainstream desktop operating systems in respect of usability. During the next 12 months, the share of Linux in the desktop market raises by an amount that could be easily mistaken for a rounding error.

2000: Early in January, lintards claim that this is going to be the year of Linux on the desktop, despite Linux being way behind mainstream desktop operating systems in respect of usability. During the next 12 months, the share of Linux in the desktop market raises by an amount that could be easily mistaken for a rounding error.

2000: Early in January, lintards claim that this is going to be the year of Linux on the desktop, despite Linux being way behind mainstream desktop operating systems in respect of usability. During the next 12 months, the share of Linux in the desktop market raises by an amount that could be easily mistaken for a rounding error.

2001: Early in January, lintards claim that this is going to be the year of Linux on the desktop, despite Linux being way behind mainstream desktop operating systems in respect of usability. During the next 12 months, the share of Linux in the desktop market raises by an amount that could be easily mistaken for a rounding error.

2002: Early in January, lintards claim that this is going to be the year of Linux on the desktop, despite Linux being way behind mainstream desktop operating systems in respect of usability. During the next 12 months, the share of Linux in the desktop market raises by an amount that could be easily mistaken for a rounding error.

2003: Early in January, lintards claim that this is going to be the year of Linux on the desktop, despite Linux being way behind mainstream desktop operating systems in respect of usability. During the next 12 months, the share of Linux in the desktop market raises by an amount that could be easily mistaken for a rounding error.

2004: Early in January, lintards claim that this is going to be the year of Linux on the desktop, despite Linux being way behind mainstream desktop operating systems in respect of usability. During the next 12 months, the share of Linux in the desktop market raises by an amount that could be easily mistaken for a rounding error.

2005: Early in January, lintards claim that this is going to be the year of Linux on the desktop, despite Linux being way behind mainstream desktop operating systems in respect of usability. During the next 12 months, the share of Linux in the desktop market raises by an amount that could be easily mistaken for a rounding error.

2006: Early in January, lintards claim that this is going to be the year of Linux on the desktop, despite Linux being way behind mainstream desktop operating systems in respect of usability. During the next 12 months, the share of Linux in the desktop market raises by an amount that could be easily mistaken for a rounding error.

2007: Early in January, lintards claim that this is going to be the year of Linux on the desktop, despite Linux being way behind mainstream desktop operating systems in respect of usability. During the next 12 months, the share of Linux in the desktop market raises by an amount that could be easily mistaken for a rounding error.

2008: Early in January, lintards claim that this is going to be the year of Linux on the desktop, despite Linux being way behind mainstream desktop operating systems in respect of usability. During the next 12 months, the share of Linux in the desktop market raises by an amount that could be easily mistaken for a rounding error.

2009: Early in January, lintards claim that this is going to be the year of Linux on the desktop, despite Linux being way behind mainstream desktop operating systems in respect of usability. Lolz, you fucking idiots.

Danny Boy, FCD said...

SJVN would kick your ass for parodying his "year of desktop linux" predictions. If he repeats it enough times, maybe it might come true. Or not.

Anonymous said...

@February 21, 2009 8:35 PM
As soon as Xerox released the specs of Alto in early 1983, the Apple and Microsoft slaverytards learned how to do it.

False.

In the late 70s (78 I think), Apple traded Xerox $1,000,000 worth of stock (and this was before their IPO sent their stock value through the roof) for a tour of their PARC lab. There, they had an Alto computer running, which had something like the GUI as we know it running, complete with WYSIWYG document editors. Apple adopted many of these visual paradigms for their Lisa computer, which ultimately didn't sell well due to several years of production delays and its $10,000 price tag. They later ported LisaGraf (renamed QuickDraw) and many of the GUI systems to the much smaller and cheaper Macintosh.

You have to remember, back then personal computers were a niche thing, some saw them as a fad. The PARC engineers thought they had something with the Alto, but Xerox had no interest in marketing it. They wanted their ideas to get out of the lab and onto peoples' desks, and Apple was willing to do it.

Later on, after IBM released their original PC, Microsoft looked at the mac and said "we want that too", and made Windows.

They didn't release the specs in "early 1983", because the Lisa debuted around that time with a complete working GUI and office system.

Anonymous said...

For freetards own education:

"Less than two weeks after VisiCorp started shipping its long-awaited Visi On integrated software package, archrival Microsoft has fired an answering volley by introducing a lower-cost window manager with new features that both users and applications-program developers will love." InfoWorld - November 21, 1983

Link: Microsoft Does Windows

Back on those days, the task of giving the IBM PC a GUI was a tricky thing due to the constrains of the hardware.

"Why did DOS end up limited to 640K bytes? The answer is surprisingly simple.
The 8088 has an address space of 1 megabyte. We (IBM) reserved the upper 128K bytes for ROM on the system board. We wanted the video memory on the display adapters to be in the processor address space, so we reserved a 128K-byte
section of memory for them. Finally, we reserved 128K bytes of memory for ROM or RAM on other adapter cards. At the time, we thought those allotments were
generous." David J. Bradley, September 1990

Link: The Creation of the IBM PC

 

Anonymous said...

Why did IBM design its PC with contrains of hardware?

Answer: "The IBM mainframe, the biggest cash cow in the computer industry, is no longer the sacred cow of Armonk, N. Y. For years, while everybody from Digital Equipment Corp. to ambitious startups took aim at the mighty mainframe, within IBM there was a giant ''No Hunting'' sign posted around the mainframe business." Business Week - September 21, 1992

Link: It's PCs vs. Mainframes -- Even at IBM

Anonymous said...

Something else people tend to forget: because of the 8088's 16 bit memory addressing, RAM could only be accessed 64K at a time. Due to this, programs were a mess even before hitting the 640K limit. By the time programs actually needed over 600K of execution space, 32 bit flat model "extenders" like DOS4GW were available. Alternatively, Windows 386 and above offered more modern and rational memory management.

And why didn't IBM just use 24/32 bit addressing Motorola chips like everybody else? Because they were insanely expensive and no one would buy equipment based on them. Just look at everyone from the era who tried and failed. Only Apple survived (and barely). Nintendo's reign almost didn't happen due to the developers' strong insistence to go with the 68000 instead of the (much) cheaper 6502. The marketers knew better and forced the decision.

Most people who criticize this stuff do so comfortably from their 32/64 bit computers with 4GB RAM and their flat memory models, completely forgetting what microcomputing was like in the late 70s.

blackbelt_jones said...

thepld said...

SuSe was my first distro, and it was really depressing to watch it go down hill. 10.0 was one of the best distros ever, but 10.1 was completely broken. The mere act of starting the package manager would cause the system to lock up completely, forcing a hard reset.

Well, SUSE 10.1 was a big freaking disaster, no doubt about about it, a major misstep, but they recovered quickly, and nothing you've described after this rings true.

The problems with 10.1 came when they tried to add the zen-installer, or something like that, and that was a zen-trainwreck. It absolutely broke everything, and SUSE decided to go ahead an release it, and they would fix it with updates. Well, they couldn't update it, it was too broken. There were painful instructions on how to fix it manually, but I just went back to 10.0.

But they did fix it. There was a remastered 10.1 that worked fine, and then 10.2 came out about 5 weeks after that, and that worked just fine. The zen-installer had already been removed by 10.2, if memory serves. Or maybe that was by 10.3. Whichever one it was, it's long gone, and good riddance.

And YAST consistently improves with each release. Installing software with YAST used to be easy because it was all GUI, but it was also unbelivable slow... like a glaciar, but that's greatly improved. and setting up repositories is a lot easier than it used to be, just copy and paste the url in one step.

And now we have YAST metapackages which enable "one-click" installs without the repositories set up in advance. I put "one click" in quotes because you have to type in your password,etc. You can also automatically add the repositories to YAST while installing the metapackages.

Now, I'm no longer using opensuse regularly, I'm using Sidux as my main distro... so would somebody please finally tell me what's so bad about RPM? Even in the non-hater Linux community, people badmouth it constantly, and they never give me any specifics except dependancy problems which don't really apply when you've got the repositories set up. I've used RPM in the past, I'm not using it currently, either way, I don't see any special problems.

Anonymous said...

Linux package management = madness.

Ditch that pile of shit, make a standard platform, support it without breaking binary compatibility for at least 3 years.

Then, we can talk. You don't wanna do that? Ok, enjoy your status as a system for geeks and lusers.

blackbelt_jones said...

Linux package management = madness.

Ditch that pile of shit, make a standard platform, support it without breaking binary compatibility for at least 3 years.

Then, we can talk. You don't wanna do that? Ok, enjoy your status as a system for geeks and lusers.


If I'm such a geek, how cum I don't know what that means?

Anonymous said...

Maybe it's because you use the word "cum" and it's beyond your intelligence level.

Anonymous said...

blackbelt_jones is a freetard living in NY:

http://www.blogger.com/profile/10465451668106452536

Does he live near IBM headquarters?

Anonymous said...

If you have a conversation about linux problems with a linux user they will inevitably do the same things over and over.

The operating system and applications need to work together as system in an integrated cohesive manner. Windows does this. Inevitably a linux user will ignore arguments and demand you narrow the scope to a single complaint about something specific. Once they get it down to a single bit they will then argue about how some unfinished, unadopted piece of code that only runs on one distro fixes that problem. Or will fix that problem in the future(TM).

At that point they declare themselves correct and the winner of any argument.

Anonymous said...

I can use windows and any kind of linux distro --that's fabulous!And is free for all!So...enjoy!Good hope for everyone and be nice!

Anonymous said...

Dear LH, could you comment on this lousy post:
http://www.handlewithlinux.com/10-cool-things-you-can-do-with-linux-and-not-with-windows :)

Anonymous said...

I can comment on it.

#1 -- It's a netbook, who the fuck cares? You're going to run one window maximized most of the time.

#2 -- You can do this in Windows. I guess the title should be "9 things [...]".

#3 -- Awesome. Completely wrong about having to "edit the registry to change your recycle bin icon" though. And no, you can't configure you desktop to look "exactly" the way you like. Well, I guess you could if you rewrote the graphical portion of your desktop. Where's the option to make my panels into a rhombus that turns into a ninja and kicks my icons around when I close a program? Yeah, it has more customization than Windows on how certain things are displayed but it is still limited.

#4 -- Awesome.

#5 -- Uh, isn't this just #3 and #4? I guess the title should be "8 things [...]".

#6 -- Because a netbook would make a fucking awesome media center.

#7 -- Windows can do this. I guess the title should be "7 things [...]".

#8 -- How is this unique to Linux on a netbook? I guess the title should be "6 things [...]".

#9 -- Awesome. I'm guessing most people will just use the web-browser and that's it though. This is a really weak argument. "Like in Linux you can download software off some server on the internet unlike Windows where you can download software off some server on the internet".

#10 -- Awesome.

Anonymous said...

Let me just say that I love this blog and this is my first post here...

NEways, I think that list is pretty weak especially given the fact that a much longer list can be created in favor of things that can be done in windows but not in linux.

For instance:

#1 - Solid handling of media formats, especially video (DVD) and/or sound (and yes I have tried SEVERAL different media players and VLC seems to be the only one that even comes close to working right...).

#2 - Being able to buy and run off the shelf software (especially games) that may not work well with WINE.

#3 - Offering a standardized platform that helps unify both high-level and low-level users (grandma).

#4 - Giving you the ability to make high end hardware worth it!!!

Let me elaborate:

I am somewhat new to Linux (using Ubuntu 10.04) but have been doing tons of research on it recently and have been getting to actually enjoy some aspects of LINUX. This however is only on my laptop. Ubuntu cannot even install on this config:

Quad Core 2.4
4GB RAM
3 X 160GB Intel ICH10R - RAID 0
8800GT PCI EXPRESS
6800GT PCI EXPRESS

Let me just stop right there.

Ubuntu had no idea how to deal with Intel's ICH-10R and could not even install on a RAID partition...

This is sad considering that Intel has the most common SATA RAID controller available today. Hell even ICH-8R RAID arrays work in INTEL-10R systems. I know this only because I upgraded my MB and Vista detected everything with no issue and worked perfectly (upgrading from ICH8R 965 board to a ICH10R P45 board).

Ubuntu could not work with either MB while using RAID. I have heard that getting multi monitor in Linux is also hell!!!

Vista runs well with RAID0 and system performance is off the charts!! I can run COD4 so well that I am selling my PS3 and XBOX 360 because my PC is so much better!

#5 - No SLI??!!

SLI is pretty to cheap to run nowadays and Linux has no application for it. I guess that this makes sense considering games dont work on Linux...

This pisses me off only because I think Linux would be awesome as a gaming platform. Unfortunately the nature of Linux itself and the Dev communities that support it make it impossible for game makers to work with them. Too many lions and not enough sheep I suppose...

#6 - Offering a TRUE Power User experience!

I know I will get flamed on this one but here goes...

Compiz is cool and I love it for my HP DV1000. I like having the multiple desktops and the cube and all that.

But...

In Vista I have a pretty trick PC that can do a great many things (both software and hardware related) that cannot be done in Linux. For instance:

Running 4 monitors on 2 PCI express VC's quickly and easily (Yes yes... I know someway somehow this is done in Linux as well but it is no cake-walk getting it to work compared to Vista)

Pro Tools 8 M_Powered using M-Audio ProFire2626

Premiere CS4 as well as all of the other CS4 apps included in the Master Suite

Serato SL

Reason 4

using my EMU PCI 1212M

Tascam USB-122 support

Even simple devices like my scanner dont work in Linux (Thank GOD my HP printer does but the CLI install was a headache compared to Vista)

All in all I have a huge collection of specialized hardware/software that achieve specific functions not tackled by an average user.

Trying to do what I do in Vista using Linux would require a team of programmers running hack and slashed versions of colinux and VMware and all kinds of other shit to basically run what I could just run natively in Windows... I'd rather just run Linux in Windows :-) Oh wait I cant... no RAID support...

#7 - Getting real support for the OS!

Linux just fails here...

Linux fans claim foul on manufacturers for not supporting them in this area but how can you really blame them??? Having hundreds of Linux versions makes it really hard to get support from hardware manufacturers. There is simply too much choice.

I agree with LH's previous comments in regards to this. There are too many projects trying to do the same thing and this creates havoc!!!

If there were like 5 major Linux flavors at the forefront that would be more than enough. Linux needs some standardization. Let the hacker/virgin/zealot basement dwellers have their Ubuntu Satanic Edition but there has to be some leader icons that can all agree on a set of standards to bring the community together. Without this, Linux will remain a mediocre OS that draws new users by seeing who can emulate windows the best...

#8 Playing DVD movies out of the box

It took me hours to update my system with the right file/player configuration to make a movie play. I can do this in seconds with Windows.

#9 Getting sleep and hibernation functions to actually work!

#10 Having a real life

Although I like Linux and I want to see it work, it is far behind MS in a great many things. With Windows I can do things easily and quickly and have enough time to have a life.

Nothing in Linux is intuitive and simple things take hours of digging through spotty forums and horribly written man pages. As time goes on I am sure I will learn more and get better, but when it is all said and done I would not have had much time for anything else like partying and having sex with females.

I will look back at all of this wasted time to find out I just learned a new OS to do only a small portion of the tings I could do before.

I am sure that Linux offers a lot especially in the arena of programming, network administration and server apps but that is such a small fraction of the human population that uses computers.

I am sure I could list more but I'll let somebody else do it.

Here's the part where I get crucified...

Anonymous said...

Well, I'm not going to crucify you. I also like to party and have sex with females... so I use Windows. :D

Anonymous said...

That sums up my same experience with Linux over several months. Even though it ran ok, there were little niggling things that made daily work a pain. And the darth of apps were didn't make it any better. That's where I told myself it's time to start LIVING and not just SURVIVING. It made me appreciate what Microsoft and Mac brought to the table, standardization, good backwards application compatibility, and a good application development and gaming/multimedia platform.

"I will look back at all of this wasted time to find out I just learned a new OS to do only a small portion of the tings I could do before."

Alvarez said...

Hey the retarded-monkey/rats who code Windchot comment here too!

What a wonderfull surprise, and the Admin-retarded-monkey/rat must be called Anonymous!

What about that pussy idiot who said that programmers NEED the wonderfull Visual Studio GUI? Is he called Anonymous too? Maybe he a is a common winchot user who thinks the world is only .NET and Visual Studio and SHIT and GUI and Desktop and lame-programms with no stdout-stderr-whatsoever and no BRAIN and no DICK and no FRIENDS......just maybe.

Programming is the art of creation, and when it comes to debugging there is no need for a fancy GUI, gdb is good enough for that.

Also, I coded Vim in Python when I myself were a standard WInchot user, with my Photoshop and my Dreamweaver. But when I want to really hack the core of the OS to implement a function for moving the mouse with my dick, winchot wasn't good enough.

I needed freedom!!!! The freedom to do whatever I wanted whenever I wanted with anything I wanted, maybe coding a driver in QBASIC, but I could do it if I wanted.

There is no such thing as a Linux Hater, it's only a kid whose life is Lineage II or a man who is affraid of knowledge!

sublbc said...

huh?

Freedom?

What freedom does linux give me when:

I have to downgrade my hardware to 1-2 year old stuff just to make things work?

When I could not install Ubuntu on my RAID array?

All of the cool software that I use for music creation is now useless along with the hardware that I spent thousands of dollars on...

All of my cool video editing software that I use for creating videos is now useless along with the hardware that I spent thousands of dollars on...

You say that programming is creation but I hardly think it is the only creation that has anything to do with computers.

Why don't you code a software program for me to replace Pro Tools or Recycle?

That way we can both have freedom...

PS I am not anonymous anymore!

Alexandre said...

Linux is crap, but I use it because it's the best OS I have seen so far.

sublbc said...

Here is an idea for Linux to build a model that could rival windows

Create major distros to do the following:

Linux Gamer (focusing on games and media with good VC support SLI and multi monitor)

Linux business - (focusing on administration and client server. Allowing people to work together on on group tasks. A built in mail/ file exchange system would be nice here)

Linux Home - For Grandma

Linux Pro - Geared for high end users with increased support of high end video/audio/3d animation and other professional applications.

Linux Media - a media center style os similiar to mythTV or Media center


Now that we have these and maybe 2 or 3 more linux then needs to have:

ONE PACKAGE MANAGER TO RULE THEM ALL!!!

This way each version can be customized to have features of the others so even the craziest geek can run his linux with all of the features of the others or none. Freedom!

A unified desktop

that is just a start, but I think it would go a long way in helping all of us idiots make sense of it all.

Anonymous said...

Alvarez is a freetard living in Argentina where piracy of Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office used to be a big business.

These freetards fill the Web with crap because they no longer can pirate Microsoft products.

Alvarez, get a life, you fu**ing moron!

Anonymous said...

there is no need for a fancy GUI, gdb is good enough for that

Come on. gdb is for cave dwellers. Even open source fundies hate it.

Anonymous said...

http://www.handlewithlinux.com/10-cool-things-you-can-do-with-linux-and-not-with-windows

1. Why?

2. RDP yields a full GUI usable over a mid-speed modem. What more do you want? Especially since Linux doesn't have anything comparable. VNC? Please.

3. Why?

4. Why?

5. WHY?! Electricity? This guy has no idea what he's talking about.

6. Yeah, if you can actually manage to install and configure this stuff. WinMCE works out of the box.

7. File transfer is worlds easier in Windows, even "secure" transfers.

8. I can do this from Windows, too. The process is actually about the same, but I generally use Linux for this kind of thing. However, this is something 1 in 1000 people would ever attempt.

9. This "big list" is a problem, not a strength. Without knowing exactly what you want in advance, scrolling through a list of 20,000 programs is a nightmare. In Windows and Mac worlds, everyone already knows the names of the programs they want, or they can type "I want this" in a search engine and choose between 2-3 reasonably complete products instead of dozens of weekend abandonments.

10. I'll give Linux this, but this updating is hugely risky compared to what Windows and MacOS do. Plus, if either of the aforementioned fail or become interrupted, they're generally smart enough to roll back to a working system. Linux is just hosed, down to possibly the file system.

blackbelt_jones said...

IBM Headquarters used to be near here, but I think they're all moved out by now.

Anonymous said...

There's been a considerable decrease of comments made by freetards. Just take a look at Groklaw.

This might be related to IBM's layoffs.

A little bird told me next quarter IBM will layoff a bunch, bunch more of freetards.

When this happens, there'll be less pro Linux stuff on the Web.

blackbelt_jones, enjoy it while it lasts.

Anonymous said...

@February 22, 2009 11:16 PM

Good observation. If one runs into a freetard that underestimates his Linux knowledge (which happens almost exclusively), drills down to that single argument, and still has a justifiable position, the zealot resorts to deflection tactics and never concede the point.

Their favorite is to blame Microsoft, even for things like their shipping alpha quality code in critical areas of the kernel, like scheduling and VM.

Calling the other party too stupid to figure it out is another, even when it is clear the argument is highly technical in nature and the other party's stance is that the process should be less technical.

Another tactic is to ignore a detailed argument but still claim that the party has not generated a specific complaint. Or to attempt to nullify the complaint because the complaining party has not filed a bug report (recently) or submitted a patch, which almost nobody is qualified to do.

The tactics are simultaneously broad and narrow. They're actually pretty good at using every intellectually dishonest trick in the book, but, ultimately, their arguments serve only to entrench their existing viewpoint that Linux is flawless as-is, despite the mountain of complaints, many of which are levied by actual full time Linux users without agendas.

Anonymous said...

@ Alvarez
Maybe he a is a common winchot user who thinks the world is only .NET and Visual Studio and SHIT and GUI and Desktop and lame-programms with no stdout-stderr-whatsoever and no BRAIN and no DICK and no FRIENDS......just maybe.

Now you're so angry and still fail to make any sense. All .NET programs, even those with a GUI, do have Standard Streams. You know, that stuff you've referred to as stdout-stderr-whatsoever.

Well, I don't know about your dick and friends, but I certainly can make assumptions about your brain.

blackbelt_jones said...

Good observation. If one runs into a freetard that underestimates his Linux knowledge (which happens almost exclusively), drills down to that single argument, and still has a justifiable position, the zealot resorts to deflection tactics and never concede the point.

Their favorite is to blame Microsoft, even for things like their shipping alpha quality code in critical areas of the kernel, like scheduling and VM.

Calling the other party too stupid to figure it out is another, even when it is clear the argument is highly technical in nature and the other party's stance is that the process should be less technical.

Another tactic is to ignore a detailed argument but still claim that the party has not generated a specific complaint. Or to attempt to nullify the complaint because the complaining party has not filed a bug report (recently) or submitted a patch, which almost nobody is qualified to do.

The tactics are simultaneously broad and narrow. They're actually pretty good at using every intellectually dishonest trick in the book, but, ultimately, their arguments serve only to entrench their existing viewpoint that Linux is flawless as-is, despite the mountain of complaints, many of which are levied by actual full time Linux users without agendas.


Subtext: "I know it sounds like I'm making this shit up, but I can read minds."

When will I ever learn?

Anonymous said...

Geez... no offense, but your UI looks like straight from the 80's.

Anonymous said...

But when I want to really hack the core of the OS to implement a function for moving the mouse with my dick

Hey, now that I think about it, that's only legitimate reason I've read for using Linux so far.

I guess that's why there aren't many of you.

Anonymous said...

Underneath, we would like to see a freeware competitor to windows. But unfortunately, with too many cooks in the Linux kitchen, too many developer egos, and too litle project coordination, Linux is going to commoditize itself to oblivion.

While there has been much improvement in driver support within the Linux kernel, other parts of the OS are seriously lacking, and are in constant flux.
This creates an unhealthy environment for application programmers, who need a well though API, media subsystem , and good documentation.

In 10 more years, if Linux is still around, most likely today's current situation will probably not change, but stay the same.

Guys, Shuttleworth/RedHat/Novell can only put so much money into Linux. If things keep going the way they are, I wouldn;t be suprised to see one of the three abandon Linux and start developing apps for Windows.

blackbelt_jones said...

WHAT? HOW DARE YOU TALK SHIT ABOUT MY UI!
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(Sigh) Seriously, when will I learn?

Anonymous said...

Why would you click the throbber?

Anonymous said...

Linux is crap, but I use it because it's the best OS I have seen so far.

You haven't seen many then.

Anonymous said...

When will I ever learn?

My god. Those fonts still suck. Thanks for reminding my why I will never bother with Linux again.

blackbelt_jones said...

Underneath, we would like to see a freeware competitor to windows. But unfortunately, with too many cooks in the Linux kitchen, too many developer egos, and too litle project coordination, Linux is going to commoditize itself to oblivion.

While there has been much improvement in driver support within the Linux kernel, other parts of the OS are seriously lacking, and are in constant flux.
This creates an unhealthy environment for application programmers, who need a well though API, media subsystem , and good documentation.

In 10 more years, if Linux is still around, most likely today's current situation will probably not change, but stay the same.

Guys, Shuttleworth/RedHat/NovUnderneath, we would like to see a freeware competitor to windows. But unfortunately, with too many cooks in the Linux kitchen, too many developer egos, and too litle project coordination, Linux is going to commoditize itself to oblivion.

While there has been much improvement in driver support within the Linux kernel, other parts of the OS are seriously lacking, and are in constant flux.
This creates an unhealthy environment for application programmers, who need a well though API, media subsystem , and good documentation.

In 10 more years, if Linux is still around, most likely today's current situation will probably not change, but stay the same.

Guys, Shuttleworth/RedHat/Novell can only put so much money into Linux. If things keep going the way they are, I wouldn;t be suprised to see one of the three abandon Linux and start developing apps for Windows.ell can only put so much money into Linux. If things keep going the way they are, I wouldn;t be suprised to see one of the three abandon Linux and start developing apps for Windows.


So... wouldn't that mean less cooks in the kitchen?

I think it's attention-desperate pundits and yeah, linux zealots, who keep wishing for The Year of the Linux Desktop. I think maybe there's going to be a few more years of thinning and expanding before we're really ready to take on the mainstream... but looking back over the past ten years, nothing has stayed the same. I don't think the next ten years will be any different.

blackbelt_jones said...

Dear God, When will I learn? When?

Anonymous said...

but looking back over the past ten years, nothing has stayed the same.

Really? When I first heard of Linux, it was becoming a really popular choice for web servers. It had no relevance on the desktop.

Today? I think you can answer that.

Anonymous said...

Dear God, When will I learn? When?

Uhm... maybe when there's finally the year of the Linux desktop and you see the results? :-).

Anonymous said...

Uh, ten years later Linux is still irrelevant on desktops and a less popular server choice?

Anonymous said...

In some ways yes, drivers, wireless, xorg, and major codec support has become better.

we still need:

-1 universal distro, preferably Fedora based and in 2 versions (stable 32/64bit and testing (32/64bit)

-detach window manager from the application API. That is, make Linux one big firefox/chrome type of environment, And changing desktop UI is like changing firefox themes. No matter what theme you choose, the application keeps the same functionality, but adopts whatever theme look you applied. There would be no more "gnome only" or "kde only" apps.

-a real competitor to MS directX API. There should be a standardized media API similar to directX so that it becomes easier for application developers to create media/gaming software.

-Make RPM the default package manager. Because if we all had 1 base distro, then we wouldn't have to worry so much about dependencies since the base distro will already have correct support built in.

-more quality multimedia apps and FPS games that rival windows.

-programming contests and prizes to spur development interest

-porting team that specializes in porting top freeware for windows into Linux ounterparts (as long as freeware windows developer agrees to let this happen)

-right click context and send to menus. Because this is what I love about windows

any ideas on how it can become better? Please add!

Anonymous said...

Take a copy of SUSE.

Fill your home drive with MP3 until the hard drive is basically full. This is the kind of raw use some end users ight do in their computing lives.

Realise you filled the disk. Select the MP3s and drag to the trashcan.

Watch as the system tries to delete these one at a time, failing because the system is full.

A requester or notification will pop up for each one. These come think and fast so you can't actually do much else.

Watch as the system resources get eaten alive - until the requesters get very slow leading to complete system lock and requiring a hard reboot.

A system drive being full, and the usual user antics are things that should have been squashed in the 90's, seeing this kind of epic failure in a multiple release is just an unmasking of the sheer raw failings that lurk in these systems. Testing for end user fitness and use comes last in the list of things regarded as important.

Anonymous said...

I love coming to this blog and watching the Wintards RAGE! Look at them rage!!

Anonymous said...

Hahaha some shithead still arguing about fonts! I won't call him a Wintard because it's probably Steve Jobs.

Anonymous said...

1 universal distro

Not only must we have choice available, choice must be forced. If all choices are bad then we've met the goal of "freedom".

detach window manager from the application API

FOSS groups do not work together. Ever. The C and C++ camps will never come together. No one is talented/interested enough to work on a layer that supports both (along with anything more modern).

A real competitor to MS directX API

It'sYourFault(TM) if you can't emulate DirectX between SDL, OpenAL, WINE, Pulse, Phonon, SVGAlib, x11lib, and screen.

Make RPM the default package manager

Good luck on this one. They've been fighting over this since the Windows 1995 era, and, according to that ohioam (or whatever) dude, they both suck.

More quality multimedia apps and FPS

Everyone who tries this gets booted by "the community" who can't come to grips that their platform, as is, cannot handle such things. Or, they'll insist that absolutely nothing patentable be used, thus confining us to the 70s. Even if you do the work of paying the necessary license fees still and offer the product free of charge, they'll still do everything possible to change vital interfaces so your software does not work.

programming contests

I've never seen bounties work, but most of them pony up ridiculous amounts like $50.

team that specializes in porting top freeware

Most of these people want nothing to do with the FOSS crowd. Besides, what ever happened to open source being innovative and the proprietary people being the copycat?

Anonymous said...

Microsoft is a centrally planned operating system. Just like I like my food, cars, buildings, clothing, etc. Because I am Joseph Stalin.

Anonymous said...

Joseph Stalin? Wtf?

Linux users are just niggers and Jews. The superhuman Aryan race use the superior Windows operating system. Heil Hitler!

Anonymous said...

We folks at the American Nazi Party and KKK are very big fans of your blog LH. Keep up the good work! 8814!!!

blackbelt_jones said...

When will I learn?

Anonymous said...

Face it, Linux on the desktop is doomed.

And the server?

Freetards should enjoy the free ride they've had on the server during the last 4-5 years while it lasts.

Anonymous said...

Hey my fellow Aryan anti-Linux users. Freetardism is a Jewish invention. It resembles a religion because its basis is in Jewish ideology!

RMS = Jew
Out of the 15 employees of the FSF, 13 are Jewish
FSF is based in the Boston Harvard/MIT area, a hotbed of Jewish radicalism
Lawrence Lessig = Jew
boycottnovell = run by a Jew
Joseph Green (another RMS type on Digg) = a Jew
EFF = most of the employees of this organization are Jewish

Fighting freetardism directly is futile, you must help us in our fight against the Jews.

Anonymous said...

Hahaha some shithead still arguing about fonts! I won't call him a Wintard because it's probably Steve Jobs.

Well, maybe it's because they are horrible. Fix them, and we won't talk about them anymore.

Oh, right, you can't, so as usual you only have one way out: denial.

blackbelt_jones said...

Anonymous said...

but looking back over the past ten years, nothing has stayed the same.

Really? When I first heard of Linux, it was becoming a really popular choice for web servers. It had no relevance on the desktop.

Today? I think you can answer that.


"Relevance"? That's just a wise-ass douchebaggy way of saying "market share", right? You always come back to that. The number of Desktop users has grown dramatically. Windows desktop users have also grown, so the market share numbers stay flat. But flat share numbers means a comparable rate of growth in users.

Everything is always changing, generalize how you will.

blackbelt_jones said...

Hey my fellow Aryan anti-Linux users. Freetardism is a Jewish invention. It resembles a religion because its basis is in Jewish ideology!

RMS = Jew
Out of the 15 employees of the FSF, 13 are Jewish
FSF is based in the Boston Harvard/MIT area, a hotbed of Jewish radicalism
Lawrence Lessig = Jew
boycottnovell = run by a Jew
Joseph Green (another RMS type on Digg) = a Jew
EFF = most of the employees of this organization are Jewish

Fighting freetardism directly is futile, you must help us in our fight against the Jews.


Assuming this is a put-on, it's pretty funny, but you forgot to mention Karl Marx.

Anonymous said...

Actualy I think the correct fosstard slogan for bad fonts in Linux is

"ThereIsNothingWrongWithLinuxFontsIt'sOnlyYourPerception[TM]"

"Oh, right, you can't, so as usual you only have one way out: denial."

Anonymous said...

What's wrong with the fonts exactly?

Anonymous said...

LOL @ Nazi wintards

Figures.

Anonymous said...

Everything is always changing, generalize how you will.

Please. You try and manipulate the numbers by playing around on the curve where numbers become practically meaningless as they approach 0.

blackbelt_jones said...

Jesus, now we have fonttards.



"ThereIsNothingWrongWithLinuxFontsIt'sOnlyYourPerception[TM]"

"Oh, right, you can't, so as usual you only have one way out: denial."

For myself, I am not dentying that you don't like the fonts, only that I like them fine, so suck it.

Anonymous said...

@February 23, 2009 1:09 PM

That's why Netcraft since May of last year shows IIS marketshare shrinking. Guess Microsoft couldn't find any more domian parkers to bribe.

And even Linux on the desktop is growing. It's tripled since the introduction of Windows Vista.

blackbelt_jones said...

Everything is always changing, generalize how you will.

Please. You try and manipulate the numbers by playing around on the curve where numbers become practically meaningless as they approach 0.


You too. Just... suck it. You don't like my facts, bring your own. I responded to a statement about "relevance", a completely subjective term, with a lot more objectivity than was required. As usual, your argument lacks argument.

Anonymous said...

That's why Netcraft since May of last year shows IIS marketshare shrinking.

Cmon. The graph shows the same decline in Apache.

Anonymous said...

It shows the hugely popular Chinese qq.com web portal as a "web server", but naturally they run Linux.

Anonymous said...

And even Linux on the desktop is growing. It's tripled since the introduction of Windows Vista

Sure. Because since Vista was presented, we're all running Linux, as the freetards predicted.

Wait a second...

Anonymous said...

IIS is the choice of the three major domain parkers, and that's pretty much why IIS has any noticeable marketshare at all. Windows as a server is basically dead in Europe and Asia. Only the United States has a very high profile websites running it (most of them actually affiliated with Microsoft in some way), but even here it's vastly outnumbered by Linux servers.

Anonymous said...

Sure. Because since Vista was presented, we're all running Linux, as the freetards predicted.

Wait a second...


Yeah, it turns out that, after initial displeasure, no one adjusted or even came to see any advantages in Vista. Windows 7 is not highly anticipated, either.

Wait a second...

Anonymous said...

Where's the data for this "Linux tripling" anyway? Sounds outrageous.

Anonymous said...

@February 23, 2009 1:27 PM

I don't know who "predicted" that, but some of you people IN THIS thread are predicting the death of Linux, when all accounts show Linux as a desktop growing at a non-linear rate, and this growth only really started a few years ago.

Anonymous said...

Hitslink the favorite website of market share masturbating Wintards, itself shows Linux market share growing from 0.32% to 0.84%. This is close to triple rate growth, and it happened in a relatively short time frame.

Anonymous said...

That amount of "growth" fits within statistical noise. Call me when Linux breaks the 2.5% mark. Besides, I was prepared to say Linux has a 1% share and you're telling me it has less, not exactly a powerful strategy.

Anonymous said...

Even Bill Gates hates Windows

I guess I have to agree with Bill Gates here. The lack of any attention to usability in Windows is one reason I use the superior Ubuntu and Mac OS X operating systems.

Anonymous said...

Come on.

1. That email is ancient.

2. The crux of his disdain is toward the Microsoft website, not Windows.

Anonymous said...

Bill Gates is a smart fellow, he quit that shitty software company and is now investing money secretly to Red Hat.

Anonymous said...

Microsoft asking money from former employees

Wow I never thought a company could stoop so low. I guess they really need the money to support their failing business model.

Anonymous said...

Dude, ever been employed? Accounting errors happen all the time. Yeah, it seems low, but just about every company would handle it this way.

Anonymous said...

Microsoft was found to be a front for a massive worldwide pedophile operation.

Holy shit. Holy shit. As much as I hate Microsoft, even I couldn't believe this shit.

Anonymous said...

Dude, ever been employed? Most companies are fronts for criminal institution. Yeah, it seems low, but just about every company works this way. By the way, I defend Microsoft no matter what they do, including if they killed my family. Feel free to ignore everything I say.

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