Friday, February 20, 2009

Just let it die, please

Don’t panic everyone! Apparently openSUSE is not dead yet.

Seriously though. I wish all SUSE’s would just die. SUSE was born a crack baby, and has grown up to be a crack smoking crack dealer. Even their stupid lizard looks like it’s cracked out. I bet the lizard is really just a vessel used for crack smuggling. Running their distro is more painful than trying to make a call on an OpenMoko. If I was convicted of murder, and the punishment was solitary confinement plus the use of a computer running SuSE, I’d just hang myself. And even worse, If I had to make the choice, I’d run Gentoo before I ran SuSE.

But don’t take it from just from me. Their own developers have a nice list of why you should not use SUSE. That’s some really great marketing work guys.

I don’t think Novell never really gave a shit about openSUSE. They just saw what Redhat did with Fedora, and openSUSE is just a poor “me too” attempt. You know, Linux is about community or something. So let’s just toss our POS distro over the wall, and see if some freetards pick it up. Because, like, that would be totally awesome. The community has infinite free resources, why don’t we harness some? It’s really easy. You just make a wiki page with really tiny fonts, stick an “open” in your name, and call it a day.

Now that money is tight, their true colors show. I don’t give a shit about what any open letter says. It’s the results that matter. And the results say that you guys are getting your breakfast, lunch, and dinner eaten by RHEL, Feodra, CentOS, Ubuntu, and Debian. Why don’t you guys just go spend your time porting your boring management software to distros that actually matter? or work on something that people want, like C#.

But whatever, if you want to port your crack-addled configuration system to yet another UI toolkit, be my guest. Now that Qt is LGPL, you can even port things back! Yay! For those of you that haven’t seen it, here’s the wonderful UI for picking package updates.

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And to help you understand that, I’ve added in green, the path that your eye is supposed to take to make sense of things.

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So far the only thing I’ve heard that openSUSE is good for is to do development for SLES, and only if you happen to be a poor Novell employee. Because folks tell me that you can’t actually do SLES development using SLES. Yay!

Oh, and we can also thank Novell and SuSE for giving money to jackasses like GregKH. Why is it that the FOSS world attracts so many jackasses? Something about, how I wrote this free software for free and for freedom, so if you do anything with it, I at least get to be a totally pain in your ass. Thanks Novell, for supporting people like GregKH. Why don’t you fund him for another month so he can write a whole new deck about why Ubuntu sucks. Because that makes openSUSE just seem that much better. And it’s like, totally awesome for Linux.

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Anonymous said...

Face it, no one wants your fucked up 'desktop'.

Guess why Google stopped publishing OS statistics at Zeitgeist. They were ashamed of the shitty 1% of users using Linux to access the search engine.

I'll soon give you a summary of those fucked up statistics of Linux on the desktop.

Read my lips, no one wants your fucked up 'desktop'!

Anonymous said...

Thank you, speaker for everyone.

Anonymous said...

Face it, no one in their right state of mind wants any of the Linux distros.

Not even if a distro is free as in beer!

Even less if a distro comes with hidden support charges when it's offered as free as in 'freedom'!

You deceptive bastards!

Anonymous said...

"You deceptive bastards!"

LOL Watch him rage!

Anonymous said...

It's not rage.

It's just the way to describe Linux advocates.

You deceive users when you play with the word 'free'.

Free as in freedom or free as in beer give the same result to the end user: hidden fees in support.

So yes, you're a deceptive freetard.

.net prick said...

Oh god not that no one uses IIS crap again.

Majority of fortune 500 companies use IIS.
http://www.search-this.com/2007/06/27/microsoft-iis-vs-apache-who-serves-more/

As for fonts linux still has problems because many distros ship freetype with subpixel rendering turned off due to patent issues.

.net prick said...

Also Freetype isn't a clone of Cleartype, so some people like myself don't consider it to be an adequate alternative. Tolerance of Freetype probably helps if you haven't spend thousands of hours with Cleartype.

blackbelt_jones said...

Oh Dear God what a fuckin snake pit.

Anarchist/Lintards

Nazi/Wintards

and always the font faggot fetishists raging.

Why do I come here? Am I that bored? Broken? Desperately trying to put off doing something useful?

Nobody on either side has ever said anything in here of any interest to anyone in the real world, and that includes me.

You like to pretend you represent the masses, but the masses are as unaware of you as they are of us. To most Windows users, Linux is a footnote, making this a footnote to a footnote.

The only people who have ever found this place of any interest other than as a place to post vile grafitti are a handful of Linux users who find it funny. I think they're crazy. I keep coming back here cause some moron or moron keeps injecting the word "Luser" into Linux discussion, and i find that annoying, so I come back to strike at the sourse, and nothing ever changes of course until I am more bored than annoyed and go away for a few months.

The Haters keep talking about how Linux is a geek OS, yet every face of every follower to this blog would look completely at home at my LUG meeting. Nobody backs anything up with anybody.

Face it, no one in their right state of mind wants any of the Linux distros.

Not even if a distro is free as in beer!

Even less if a distro comes with hidden support charges when it's offered as free as in 'freedom'!

You deceptive bastards!


Dum dum dum dum
Shooting at the walls of heartache
Bang, bang
I am the warrior
Well I am the warrior
And heart to heart you'll win

on and on it goes...

Anonymous said...

Yeah I pretty much come here to make fun of the raging Wintards. It's an excellent source of real life LOLs.

:)

Anonymous said...

I don't know who "predicted" that, but some of you people IN THIS thread are predicting the death of Linux, when all accounts show Linux as a desktop growing at a non-linear rate, and this growth only really started a few years ago.

Loss of memory is a common phenomenon among lintards.

No, we never predicted Windows 98 would be a failure and the rise of Linux.

No, we never predicted Windows XP would be a failure and the rise of Linux

No, we never predicted Windows Vista would be a failure and the rise of Linux


Fast forward to today:

Hey dudes, Windows 7 will be a failure because of brutal DRM, and it'll be the year of the linux desktop. L00lz!

Wait a few years before they forget this too.

Anonymous said...

"Loss of memory is a common phenomenon among lintards."

LOL Watch him rage! RAAAAAAAAAGE

Anonymous said...

Fuck you dirty Lintard I WILL FIND YOU AND RAPE YOU IN THE ASS

Anonymous said...

LOLOLOLOLOL
HOMOSEXUAL INTERNET RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE

Anonymous said...

What's the difference between a Wintard and a monkey? A given infinite time, a monkey will write something intelligent.

Anonymous said...

The different faces of rage

Freetards protesting in front of SCO headquarters in June 2003.

Photos
 

More photos


Rage at its best: "I called up the
Lindon police and talked to them about the do's and don't and they are perfectly
fine with us doing it."

Anonymous said...

More Linux idiocy and rage in 1998

Photos

Get a life!

Anonymous said...

Linux Hater's Greatest Hits

Enjoy!

It is the craze of the month among geeks who love complexity. Avoid it at all costs

Linux, the PC program from hell

David Hewson
The Times

April 20 1997

WAS I the only one who broke into a scream of terror when I looked at this month's copy of Personal Computer World? There, staring out from a free CD-Rom on the cover was the program from hell, and all you needed to do to let it take over your PC was double click a couple of times and kiss goodbye to your sanity.
The nasty piece of digital scurf in question is known as Linux and there are plenty of sad types who will tell you it is the future of personal computing. Do not fall for this bizarre line in geek thinking.

Even Personal Computer World, after making it so easy to enter the twilight zone without a return ticket, saw fit to enter a few caveats in the fine print. Linux, it said, came with a serious health warning. Don't even think about it, the magazine said, unless you are technically proficient and have backed up all your PC files beforehand.

Yes, but we know what the average PC user is like. He never reads the words, he just slings in the CD-Rom, clicks on the install icon, and hopes for the best. And if you are now looking at a blank screen with a few impenetrable commands where you once had a working PC, then all I can say is: "You have only yourself to blame."

Linux, for the uninitiated, is a version of that old computer donkey known as Unix. If you need to run big computer Unix tasks then it is, I am told, not a bad solution at all. Equally, if you believe there is no point in doing easily something you can achieve the long way round, it is doubtless the way to go.

Imagine a tougher version of MS-Dos ­ where the commands are even harder to memorise and less forgiving of errors ­ and you are starting to get there. And if you want to cheat a little, you can put on a pseudo-graphical front end and ­ bingo ­ you might just manage to turn a modern Windows NT-capable PC into a passable imitation of Windows 3.1 circa 1992.

However, to read some publications, you might think that Microsoft's Bill Gates is quivering in his boots at the idea that Linux will do what IBM and Apple never managed to achieve ­ kick Windows off the everyday desktop. Really? Well, no. Linux is flavour of the month with the geek community for two reasons ­ it's free, and it's not from Microsoft.

For a certain breed of bug-eyed computer user, that really is all you need. Trivial details such as usability, the lack of decent everyday software, and the plain fact that, when things go wrong, you are on your own are not setbacks to Linux addicts. These are the very reasons why they like the wretched thing ­ because it sets them apart from the mainstream of tedious, ordinary users who just use PCs to get on with the job.

Personal computers seem to have attracted some strange and obsessive people along the way to becoming common or garden information tools. If Linux hadn't been invented by a Finnish student a few years back, something equally strange and esoteric would have appeared to take its place.

Computer geeks despise simple, common standards. Gates is the object of their hate simply because he won the operating-system war. If Apple or IBM had come out on top, the people now buzzing so excitedly around Linux would have treated them to the hate mail they reserve for Gates today.

Fads like Linux are diversionary characters in a digital freak show on the sidelines of modern information technology. Finding them on the cover disks of mainstream magazines says more about the novelty value of computer journalism than the real issues facing those trying to make tomorrow's PCs a sight better than the ones we use today.

The idea that great developments in personal computing will be invented in some dismal student bedroom in Helsinki might make nice bedtime reading for people who dream in hexa-decimal. But if all you want is a computer that you can aspire to understand, chuck that blasted CD-Rom in the bin right now.

Copyright 1997 Times Newspapers Limited

Anonymous said...

Did that guy really write that in 1997?

My God. That could have been written yesterday.

Anonymous said...

Linux, the PC program from hell

By the way, that CD contained Red Hat 4.1. A few weeks later, Red Hat release version 4.2.

Anonymous said...

He is right. I use Linux because it's not Microsoft and because it's free. Now excuse me, I am off to watch The Matrix in ASCII.

:D

Ubuntu 4 lyfe

Anonymous said...

Actually not using something because it's made by Microsoft is a perfectly valid reason. Microsoft is the continuation of the Third Reich.

Anonymous said...

Linux, the PC program from hell

Freetards in RAGE in 1997:

Link

Fucking bunch of loosers!

LOL

Anonymous said...

"I use Linux because it's not Microsoft and because it's free."

Did you mean:

"For a certain breed of bug-eyed computer user, that really is all you need. Trivial details such as usability, the lack of decent everyday software, and the plain fact that, when things go wrong, you are on your own are not setbacks to Linux addicts. These are the very reasons why they like the wretched thing ­ because it sets them apart from the mainstream of tedious, ordinary users who just use PCs to get on with the job."

LOL

Anonymous said...

Well he is wrong. :D Linux is for awesome people. I have a big dick and whenever I pull it out 5 hot chicks come from nowhere to suck it. This is 100% because of Linux.

Anonymous said...

If this site users are representative of Microsoft or Windows users I am very glad I use Linux. The level of racism and retardation in this blog is sickening.

Anonymous said...

The Future of Linux is Doomed

Reasons:

1. Hidden costs in support
2. Fragmentation
3. Fanatical element among users
4. Patents
5. Intellectual property

blackbelt_jones said...

1. Hidden costs in support
2. Fragmentation
3. Fanatical element among users
4. Patents
5. Intellectual property


It's the same old song and dance, my friends. You been singing the same tune for years and years. When do we get to verse two?

Anonymous said...

The Future of Linux is Doomed

The final blow:

Outcome of SCO v IBM

This trial with jury and all will be fun to watch!

blackbelt_jones said...

Well he is wrong. :D Linux is for awesome people. I have a big dick and whenever I pull it out 5 hot chicks come from nowhere to suck it. This is 100% because of Linux.

Fuck you, you're just hopeless geeks like us. Just because you're the Star Wars Fans and we're the Dr. Who fans doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't consider you freaks. Your attempt to stake yourselves out as their representatives is touching, but unconvincing. They don't care. Sure, it's easier for them to choose Windows, cause, fuck most people have never heard of anything else. But no one's about to take their Windows away.

Anonymous said...

The Nazis were socialists you fucking idiots.

Anonymous said...

blackbelt_jones, fuck you too!

I really enjoyed fucking your sister on her ass last night.

She screamed like a bitch!

blackbelt_jones said...

blackbelt_jones, fuck you too!

I really enjoyed fucking your sister on her ass last night.

She screamed like a bitch!


And there you have it. What more is there to be said?

A hater is a hater. Eventually, they always get down to the nitty-gritty.

Microsoft Windows is a perfectly good, user-friendly operating system that has a lot of uses, and some very real advantages over Linux for some users, although I prefer Linux because I find that it has advantages for me.

Lots of nice people use Windows. The people who post in here do NOT represent the majority of Windows users, and it would be as foolish to not use Windows because of their deranged ranting as it would be to not use Linux because of their deranged ranting.

Microsoft has made the world a better place, and as I have often said, they have the right to make a buck. My own sense is that, in the end, they will do very well financially.

Anonymous said...

Well, I hope the previous post was only a nasty and distasteful parody.

What do freetards think of the following title?

Windows Vista lawsuit loses class-action status

Quiet a blow to people trying to profit from something that was clear a mistake made by OEMs.

Link

Anonymous said...

I can see why people defend Linux but I can not see why people defend Microsoft. It seems really shallow.

Anonymous said...

I agree, one sided arguments are the complete antithesis of shallow.

Anonymous said...

Free culture is a war ideology, not literally, but it's a ideology to change the status quo. Arguments are weapons, they are one sided because shooting both sides is fucking pointless.

Anonymous said...

Exactly, the own nature of Linux development and advocacy will be its end.

What happened to the Amiga, will happen to Linux.

blackbelt_jones said...

What do freetards think of the following title?

Windows Vista lawsuit loses class-action status


I keep hearing the Haters blaming the Lusers for Vista getting a bad rap, but this has nothing to do with us. It's the Vista users who are talking shit about Vista. If any Lusers are talking about Vista, it's probably because they're also Vista users, and it's in that capacity.

Me, I've never used Vista, therefore I have no opinion on Vista, therefore I have no opinion on litigation involving Vista... and if I had an opinion on any of this, I can't imagine why it would be of interest to anyone.

Anonymous said...

Google Zeitgeist: Operating systems used to access Google

OK, here are the statistics from Google Zeitgeist from June 2001 thru June 2004.

Google stopped publishing the statistics on operating systems used to access the search engine in the middle of 2004.

Was Google ashamed of that 1% it stopped given the statistics?

View the statistics

Anonymous said...

Yeah we all know Microsoft has a monopoly marketshare on operating systems. Doesn't make their shit better. It just means they need to be heavily regulated according to US law.

blackbelt_jones said...

Amiga was a commercial product, it needed money to survive. Linux is not a business per se, so it can't be put out of business. It will be here as long as it has users, ... and very few of us ever go back.

But Microsoft isn't going anywere either. Which is fine.

THIS is the status quo, and eventually, everybody's just going to get used to it. Microsoft and Linux are not a threat to each other, Microsoft is going to be the majority product and Linux is going to be the minority alternative, probably for the rest of my life (I'm 50.) And I for one think that's great. It's a nice balance,a nd everybody gets what they need.

Anonymous said...

@February 23, 2009 8:33 PM

Free culture is a spiritual thing that comes from within. It's not a corporation or a product. It's something so much more.

blackbelt_jones said...

Was Google ashamed of that 1% it stopped given the statistics?

I dunno. Ask 'em.

blackbelt_jones said...

Free culture is a spiritual thing that comes from within. It's not a corporation or a product. It's something so much more.

OH my. This will not be well received.

I dunno, I guess that's valid, but I do like the product. I just love it. There's always more than one way to do do something. It really does suit my needs more than the other product.

Anonymous said...

@February 23, 2009 9:12 PM

Let me be the first to say:

It'sNotAReligion(TM)

Anonymous said...

Here are all the Google Zeitgeist statistics from June 2001 thru November 2004.

Notice how Google stopped publishing the operating systems statistics in late 2004.

View statistics


I'm not sure if these statistics are still available from Google, but when they were available, were kind of hard to find.

The stats don't show nothing enticing about Linux usage.

blackbelt_jones said...

The stats don't show nothing enticing about Linux usage.

Jesus, they're five years old. They don't show nothing, period.

Anonymous said...

Why don't you ask Google how those stats are today?

I bet you that 1% for Linux hasn't increase in 5 years!

Otherwise, Google would publish that stuff for sure, don't you think?

Google doesn't publish the stuff because they don't like the facts!

Anonymous said...

So Google, one of the few entities capable of gathering representative end user operating system statistics, pegs Linux at a consistent 1% over a 3.5 year period.

Meanwhile, since early 2007, the Linux base tripled in size...to 0.8%. Huh?

Anonymous said...

@blackbelt_jones

Yeah a lot of people like Linux for Linux. There is nothing wrong with that.

Wikipedia also is much more known and popular then Linux, but maybe few people know about the ideology that brought Wikipedia to life (hint: it's the same as what brought Linux to life). But people who who truly believe in free culture like me exist and it's the only reason Wikipedia could exist because at some point it was mostly worthless.

Linux haters can hate and hate and hate and shit on Linux and still it would do them no good against people like me. I loved Linux even when I truly thought it sucked technologically. It's more then then technology that draws me to Linux and that is what they will never understand.

blackbelt_jones said...

Thanks again for those statistics. No one's brought them up for at least a half an hour.

Anonymous said...

Unlike Linux, Wikipedia actually fills a widespread need. Unfortunately, Wikipedia to knowledge is like Slashdot to news: provocative but not necessarily informative.

The free love died long ago at Wikipedia. Its overweight bureaucracy is legendary, and the Internet is full of frustrated accounts by Wikipedia's once biggest contributors. Go to just about any controversial topic's talk page and you'll see one side has the power with the backing of site administration.

The accusation that the "community" is leveraged as QA stands truer for Wikipedia: after it reached critical mass, the aggressive and focused ladder climbers ousted the content generators and claimed ownership of the hard work--the direction of, if not authorship.

Anonymous said...

Remember all the money spent by OEMs IBM and HP in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004?

Remember the headline "IBM to spend $1 billion on Linux in 2001", link.

So much effort to keep unchanged that 1%!

And freetards are still hoping that 2010 will be the year of the Linux desktop.

Wishful thinking with no hope!

Isn't now the time to find something more productive to do?

Boys and girls, what happened to the Amiga, will also happen to Linux.

Anonymous said...

Wow Linux has 1% marketshare? I never knew that! Thanks for sharing.

Why are you so obsessed with getting Linux users to "move on". What the fuck are you afraid of?

blackbelt_jones said...

Remember all the money spent by OEMs IBM and HP in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004?

Remember the headline "IBM to spend $1 billion on Linux in 2001", link.

So much effort to keep unchanged that 1%!

And freetards are still hoping that 2010 will be the year of the Linux desktop.

Wishful thinking with no hope!

Isn't now the time to find something more productive to do?



LOL! You'd think so, but here you are.

I wasn't aware that IBMs investment centered on the Desktop, and I was just reading an article about how these numbers are bullshit anyway. Don't worry so much about me, all right?

Anonymous said...

I wonder what will happen to the FOSS moment as its most powerful (and oldest) proponents fade from the spotlight. Most of the "rock stars" are from the early 90s or before, e.g. Torvalds, Stallman, Raymond, Perens. Miguel de Icaza is the biggest name I can think of from the last decade, and everyone seems to hate him.

Though Torvalds is the youngin' of the bunch, he's been at this for 20 years already. It's not absurd to wonder whether he'll consider a career change in the not-so-distant future.

Yeah, yeah, I know, open source means these projects are immortal, but do you guys really believe that these huge projects can survive without leadership?

Anonymous said...

What is the motive of people who hate Linux and do not want it to get better? I am really trying to understand the motive. Is it financial? Or are there people in the world born fundamentally opposed to the idea of free culture in general?

blackbelt_jones said...

I wonder what will happen to the FOSS moment as its most powerful (and oldest) proponents fade from the spotlight. Most of the "rock stars" are from the early 90s or before, e.g. Torvalds, Stallman, Raymond, Perens. Miguel de Icaza is the biggest name I can think of from the last decade, and everyone seems to hate him.

Though Torvalds is the youngin' of the bunch, he's been at this for 20 years already. It's not absurd to wonder whether he'll consider a career change in the not-so-distant future.

Yeah, yeah, I know, open source means these projects are immortal, but do you guys really believe that these huge projects can survive without leadership?


How long ago did you first hear the name "Obama"? Leadership may come or may not come, but to speculate that it won't come just because you want to be a dick about it is pretty fucking weak.

Anonymous said...

You asked.

We answer again:

1. Hidden costs in support
2. Fragmentation
3. Fanatical element among users
4. Patents issues
5. Intellectual property issues

Anonymous said...

You can make the same arguments about Microsoft too. They are FUD arguments anyway.

Anonymous said...

I can't answer for everybody, but, after using Linux for over a decade I no longer believe that substantial improvements are forthcoming. I am content in letting it lie "over there" but grow weary of Linux's mainstream media proliferation with overly colorful articles about Ubuntu, OLPC, and "Year of the Desktop". I've been at this long enough too see that instead of real improvements, Linux backers are content to offer me rehashed promises and slander when I start asking questions.

Ultimately, I don't buy into GNU's version of "freedom". I think free software was a quaint idea but ultimately misunderstood human motivation. I also believe that the GPL was really Stallman's version of DoMyWorkForMe(TM).

Anonymous said...

blackbelt_jones,

You pretend to be this civil and neutral entity, but, when it comes to posing actual arguments, you have nothing in your bag beyond weak insults.

Anonymous said...

It's not FUD!

1. Hidden costs in support
Alan Cox himself said it in his own manner in 1999, listen.

More info on Alan's speech

Anonymous said...

Really that doesn't explain why someone would actively fight Linux. I am talking about a sitution (and probably to you, extremely hypothetical), when it was clear that Linux was better in everyway to Windows, widely accepted and deployed, and free software dominated all other models. Would you still fight Linux then?

Anonymous said...

Just look above at blackbelt_jones' reaction: ask an earnest question about the future of free software and receive nothing but hollow slander in return. Almost every Linux "advocate" is like this. This is the "freedom" we "haters" tire of.

Anonymous said...

Because your questions are inflammatory. If I went to Microsoft and said "you are dooooomed" they'd not respond warmly either. When you start with what is basically FUD you won't get a nice reply. It's clear you are against him, and against Linux in general, so don't expect an olive branch.

Anonymous said...

If Linux offered a measurable advantage I'd go back to using it in a heartbeat. Why wouldn't I?

The persecution complex you've probably been indoctrinated stems from the public's reaction to overaggressive zealots, like the guys who got into the faces of people who attempted to buy Windows 98, shown in photographs above. It has nothing to do with "freedom" or "choice", only with the people who use these words to further their own agendas.

Anonymous said...

"... and free software dominated all other models."

Free software development has problems:

Part 1 [37.5MB WMV] 
Part 2 
Part 3

Anonymous said...

Obviously Linux needs criticism but FUD is very VERY VERY harmful to Linux adoption. So when you say stuff that implies Linux is dying you are causing severe damage to it simply by implying that (and it doesn't matter if it's false). That's why I speak out against it, because it's criticism but it's very bad criticism for Linux. So I wonder why you want to kill Linux? It makes no sense to me. Linux can truly be a good thing to everyone.

Anonymous said...

Because your questions are inflammatory.

Asking what happens to the project once the project leader departs is "inflammatory"? I thought it was called "common sense".

If I went to Microsoft and said "you are dooooomed" they'd not respond warmly either.

But that's not what I said. I presented an argument that the FOSS movers and shakers are all aging and listed examples. All you had to do is list the new leaders. All I got was "Obama" and "cock".

When you start with what is basically FUD you won't get a nice reply.

I'll settle for "correct" or "insightful" over "nice".

It's clear you are against him, [...] so don't expect an olive branch.

Against who? It was an open thought aimed at nobody. Again with the reading comprehension problems...

Anonymous said...

You put the future of Linux at question. That is FUD. FUD hurts it's target. I don't how much more clear I can be then this.

blackbelt_jones said...

Just look above at blackbelt_jones' reaction: ask an earnest question about the future of free software and receive nothing but hollow slander in return. Almost every Linux "advocate" is like this. This is the "freedom" we "haters" tire of.

Ahem...

blackbelt_jones, fuck you too!

I really enjoyed fucking your sister on her ass last night.

She screamed like a bitch!

Anonymous said...

So when you say stuff that implies Linux is dying you are causing severe damage to it

You honestly believe that anyone, anywhere gives two shits about what anonymous comments say one way or another in a blog with a name like "Linux Hater's", let alone "severe damage"?

blackbelt_jones said...

What I said was that you were being a dick. If you weren;t aware that you were being a dick, I guess that would make you a tool, or perhaps a knob. Guess that makes you sort of an enigma.

Anonymous said...

You put the future of Linux at question. That is FUD. FUD hurts it's target.

Hold the phone! So I can't question the future of Linux at all without threats of retaliation? This is "freedom"? "Choice"? I think the gulags were more considerate!

Anonymous said...

FUD is very powerful and very damaging. Nor can FUD be ever productive - speculating about the future doesn't really start rational debates. That's what I am saying.

Anonymous said...

@February 23, 2009 10:53 PM

Freedom of speech doesn't afford you the right of not being called a fucktard for your comments.

Anonymous said...

So you live totally in the present, never planning or considering what happens next? And you'll philosophically attack anyone who does?

Anonymous said...

@February 23, 2009 10:56 PM

I'm not against talking about the future. I'm specifically against talking about the future of Linux in a way that is intended or has the outcome of spreading a sense of fear, uncertainty, and doubt about Linux.

Anonymous said...

Reality, no FUD:

1. Hidden costs in support. Listen

2. Fragmentation. Web page

3. Fanatical element among users. Read

4. Patents issues. View part 1 Part 2 Part 3

5. Intellectual property issues. (same as item 4)

Anonymous said...

FUD is FUD. FUD can be defended, but it doesn't make it less of FUD.

Anonymous said...

@February 23, 2009 10:56 PM

You are a Wintard niugger. Go back to your MICROMOTHERFUCK an d leav e Linux for us superoir race.

Anonymous said...

PS: LINUX IS FOR NIGGERS!!

Anonymous said...

Okay, recap: a list of future project leaders offered by Linux advocates:

Obama
dick
tool
knob
fucktard
"niugger"
"MICROMOTHERFUCK"

Obama looks strong, but I think I'll have to give it to MICROMOTHERFUCK, it just has that ring that screams "leadership".

Anonymous said...

I wish I could read your post but my fonts suck

Anonymous said...

Obama will save us all because he is black Jesus

GOBAMA!!!

blackbelt_jones said...

Okay, recap: a list of future project leaders offered by Linux advocates:

Obama
dick
tool
knob
fucktard
"niugger"
"MICROMOTHERFUCK"

Obama looks strong, but I think I'll have to give it to MICROMOTHERFUCK, it just has that ring that screams "leadership".


Yeah, I was sure wrong about you.

Anonymous said...

Hey, just making lemonade here.

Anonymous said...

MORE LIKE MAKING CUMPIE IN YOUR OWN ANUS YOU FUCKIN WINTARD SHILL DIE OF CANCER

Anonymous said...

Wish granted, assuming the chemo doesn't work.

Anonymous said...

What is the motive of people who hate Linux and do not want it to get better?

We want it to get better. We're just not delusional.

Anonymous said...

Rather make a cum pie in my own anus than have Stallman make a cumpie in my anus and tell everyone how easy it is.

Isn't Stallman that fucktard who was basically saying his developer's kids weren't important because any fucktard can reproduce and having kids will bring upon the apocalypse but few people can make a shitty text editor? Reproduction is supposedly easy but Stallman has yet to do it. Must be harder than he thought.

Anonymous said...

Reproduction is supposedly easy but Stallman has yet to do it.

Hey, you should be thankful for that.

Anonymous said...

You really need to do your research, present your findings, and present your qualifications. Unsupported opinions are the downfall of modern society. "Your just allowed to have an opinion" is the blogger belief, but in reality it makes you sound like a screaming child that wants what he/she wants.

I will take time to explain my side. I am Linux user, who is working on getting certified in Linux +, Windows Server, and CCNA. Also, I am working on a Bachelors degree in Computer Science. From my 'limited' perspective, the reason why Linux is written in C/C++ is portability - it can go on anything. C# is a Windows language for the .NET framework. This causes 2 problems - 1. Ownership and Licensing is Microsoft's; 2. The .NET framework overbearing on resources, and not a wise choice for lesser equipped systems (even new micro notebooks have trouble running Windows); 3. The complexity of the compiler makes it likely that errors in the code and debugging the code will occur. 4. The language is not very expandable - in C/C++ you can create your own syntax easily, and powerfully. Finally, Linux is designed around a single idea, growth. To keep this idea alive, the code for the OS must be accessible by anyone. This allows patches to be created in a matter of days/weeks rather than months/years/ever. Corporations are concerned with profit, not consumers. The only reason why the fix bugs, is because if they didn't Linux/Unix/Mac users would triple over night.

Finally, I leave you with this parting idea, know your enemy. If you really truely see Linux, Open Source Software, and the community that comes with us as your enemy, then study us. Were an open book.

sublbc said...

"I guess I have to agree with Bill Gates here. The lack of any attention to usability in Windows is one reason I use the superior Ubuntu and Mac OS X operating systems."

I always have to laugh at the utter fools that make statements like this one...

I mean I like Linux and all and OSX is good, but superior???!!!

I hardly think so.

I run Ubuntu, XP and Vista and of the 3 Ubuntu is my least favorite.

I use it to safely browse porn sites without worrying about trojans and adware.

Unfortunately none of the media players work well and media play back is a far cry from that of windows. I have tried Totem, VLC, Oogle (or something) and a few others. I still can't find a good media player that actually has solid stable performance with a repeat function.

So far I haven't found much that works all that well in Linux. WINE and Compiz are cool but what do they really do to make me more productive?

Not many of the apps that I like work with WINE. Compiz is cool but not good enough to warrant making a switch. Ubuntu reminds me of a poor man's Windows. I can browse the internet and do basics but that's it.

I am not a developer or a coder or any of that. I am just another wintard who had to see for himself if Ubuntu was worth the hype and like the Linuxes of old, its getting better but not even close to the MS counterpart offerings.

I cant see how open source freaks endorse OSX. Even though it is BSD based Apple is the most closed source platform ever...EVER!!!

I would actually like to get a copy of OSX to run on my PC but I can't.

I think that sucks. I should not have to get ripped off by apple buying a shitty PC with a $500 mark up for a designer brand.

At least Microsoft makes software for big computer companies as well as small time OEM's.

OSX is not superior and neither is Ubuntu oh yeah and neither is Windows.

So go fuck yourself and your superior OS!!

Anonymous said...

Also, I am working on a Bachelors degree in Computer Science

If you really wanna complete it, don't repeat your bullshit before your professors.

Anonymous said...

1. Hidden costs in support
2. Fragmentation
3. Fanatical element among users
4. Patents issues
5. Intellectual property issues

Ok was someone talking about Windows. Seams to list all the problems I see. Heavily 4 and 5. Open source has the means to operate outside areas with patent laws quite simply.

Microsoft? Leave USA? Due to being sued of face of earth? I could see some major fun if that happened.

Anonymous said...

From my 'limited' perspective, the reason why Linux is written in C/C++ is portability - it can go on anything. C# is a Windows language for the .NET framework. This causes 2 problems - 1. Ownership and Licensing is Microsoft's; 2. The .NET framework overbearing on resources, and not a wise choice for lesser equipped systems (even new micro notebooks have trouble running Windows)

You are saying the Linux Kernel won't be written in C#? What is the Mono project for? Just watch the next kernel release.

Byte Corrupto said...

The Linux Hater's Distro is a good idea, but what about a Linux Hater's Planet? or a Linux Hater Banner for the bloggers who want to claim to the open World: "I Hate Linux and I'm not the only one"?

Anonymous said...

The .NET framework overbearing on resources, and not a wise choice for lesser equipped systems (even new micro notebooks have trouble running Windows)

Really. I guess you could explain then why XP has displaced Linux on netbooks after the initial enthusiasm shown by Linux fans, who were, as always, willing to believe prematurely.

And while you're at it, you could also explain how it's possible that an 8-year-old OS is still more useful, valuable, easier to use and better supported than any current Linux desktop distribution.

Anonymous said...

"Unsupported opinions are the downfall of modern society"

Followed by a completely unsupported rant by someone with no experience whatsoever. The ironing is delicious.

Anonymous said...

Followed by a completely unsupported rant by someone with no experience whatsoever. The ironing is delicious.

And reading a C++ supporter complaining about the complexity of compilers for other languages, hilarious.

Anonymous said...

The Latest Discussions in Groklaw

Standards: Have Any Suggestions for the Next Version of ODF?

Quote: "Interoperability and the ability to communicate with government agencies can mean your life."

Have An Interest in Government Adoption of Open Standards?

Quote: "I've been contacted by a government agency that is seeking input on the
question of what definition of openness it should adopt for that state."

Remember Pamela Jones' company in 2003 (her son was president and CEO) MedAbiliti wrote XM Network for Exemplar International Inc.

Is XM Network having interoperability issues today?

XM Network runs on Linux and is written in open source software.

Exemplar International Inc. is today Examinetics.

Anonymous said...


More about Pamela Jones and her interests in the health care business

Anonymous said...

How to tell if LinuxOS will suck
=================================

Place 4 laptops on a desk, 2 with Vista, 2 with Ubuntu/or Fedora/or Suse.

Invite your 2nd grader and his friends to come in and play around with the computers.

Wait to see which PC they gravitate around to.

Yep, you got it 10 outta 10 kids picks windows...Why?

Here is what they said:

-"it makes it too hard to do what I want to do with it"

-"its so slow surfing the web, and the browser text looks crappy."

-"I can't play any real games on this thing"

-"why does it always ask for a password?"

-"I dunno who designed this but it really really sucks"

-"How come the cool stuff is only on 2 pcs?"

-"Hey can you erase this thing and put vista on it too?"

There you have it, so Canonical/Novell/RedHat, get some 2nd graders into your usability studies, you might learn from them.

blackbelt_jones said...

How to tell if LinuxOS will suck
=================================

Place 4 laptops on a desk, 2 with Vista, 2 with Ubuntu/or Fedora/or Suse.

Invite your 2nd grader and his friends to come in and play around with the computers.

Wait to see which PC they gravitate around to.

Yep, you got it 10 outta 10 kids picks windows...Why?

Here is what they said:

-"it makes it too hard to do what I want to do with it"

-"its so slow surfing the web, and the browser text looks crappy."

-"I can't play any real games on this thing"

-"why does it always ask for a password?"

-"I dunno who designed this but it really really sucks"

-"How come the cool stuff is only on 2 pcs?"

-"Hey can you erase this thing and put vista on it too?"

There you have it, so Canonical/Novell/RedHat, get some 2nd graders into your usability studies, you might learn from them.


Oh, shut up!

If you're going to be using a computer for 20 or 30 or 40 years, whether a 2nd grader can master it in 10 minutes is hardly the only measure of usability.

Most 2nd graders will master the kazoo quicker than the violin, right? So, by this logic, violins suck, kazoos are great.

This is not to say that there isn't a place for computers that 2nd graders can use immediately, and that this isn't a good thing, but what if I want a computer that gives me the opportunity to grow in power as I learn? Why is it always about the user who knows nothing, and the first five minutes? People keep talking about that like it's the only thing that matters, yet it's usually not the case. The first five minutes pass quickly, and most people learn things. So why not work with that situation?

I am neither a second grader, nor a new computer user, so why is this seven year old supposed to be able to choose my OS for me?

blackbelt_jones said...

Followed by a completely unsupported rant by someone with no experience whatsoever. The ironing is delicious.

I don't even know if it was a Luser or a Hater who typed this, but I just think it's just wonderful. "The ironing is delicious." has got to be the greatest typo of all time.

Anonymous said...

*whoosh*

Anonymous said...

Most kids think the kazoo is more "fun" and cooler than the violin anyway so what's your point?

The thing is, you never get a second chance at a first impression. If the experience lets you down in the first 5 minutes, what makes you think it will get even better? This is how good and bad products are defined in the marketplace, cars, mp3 players, phones, and yes operating systems. This is why you see netbook makers dump Linux for Windows XP. Can you believe that? They are dumping the "latest greatest Linux" for an 8yr old operating system in XP! WOW!

"Most 2nd graders will master the kazoo quicker than the violin, right? So, by this logic, violins suck, kazoos are great."

blackbelt_jones said...

How to tell if LinuxOS will suck
=================================

Place 4 laptops on a desk, 2 with Vista, 2 with Ubuntu/or Fedora/or Suse.

Invite your 2nd grader and his friends to come in and play around with the computers.

Wait to see which PC they gravitate around to.

Yep, you got it 10 outta 10 kids picks windows...Why?

Here is what they said:

-"it makes it too hard to do what I want to do with it"

-"its so slow surfing the web, and the browser text looks crappy."

-"I can't play any real games on this thing"

-"why does it always ask for a password?"

-"I dunno who designed this but it really really sucks"

-"How come the cool stuff is only on 2 pcs?"

-"Hey can you erase this thing and put vista on it too?"

There you have it, so Canonical/Novell/RedHat, get some 2nd graders into your usability studies, you might learn from them.


Hey, and this appears to be fiction, by the way. Apparently, no actual children were ever subjected to this test, or said these things so... what the hell? I think I'm going to make up a test where first graders use Linux to make award-winning documentary films. Why the hell not?

blackbelt_jones said...

Most kids think the kazoo is more "fun" and cooler than the violin anyway so what's your point?

The ironing is delicious.

blackbelt_jones said...

It's not rage.

It's just the way to describe Linux advocates.

You deceive users when you play with the word 'free'.

Free as in freedom or free as in beer give the same result to the end user: hidden fees in support.

So yes, you're a deceptive freetard.


Would somebody please back this up? I just don't believe it. If you're an individual, the community online support is pretty good, particularly for a popular distro. I've never paid a dime.

What's more, because I'm mostly into writing and surfing with a little YouTube, I save a bundle on hardware because Linux runs so nice on any old machine that happens to cross my path. The computer I'm using right now was thrown out by a neighbor, and cost me nothing, except 89 dollars for an external hard drive. So I take somebody else's trash and run the very latest OS on it, downloaded free and legal off the web.

Now, if you're a business, you're going to be paying somebody to keep everything running anyway, aren't you? Not to mention that lots of these corporate Linux distros come with support.

But anyway, what's this "hidden" bullshit? What does that mean? It's, like, a secret? WHA? HUH? HMMM?

Bullshit bullshit bullshit.

Anonymous said...

He's probably extrapolating support fees from configuration time with the idea that time is worth something. The cost is hidden because it's not an easily determined dollar amount but does affect overall productivity.

Anonymous said...

The old adagio Linux is free only if your time is worthless comes to mind.

Personally, even if I had all the time in the world I don't have the patience for Linux. Too much trouble for very little reward, if any.

blackbelt_jones said...

The old adagio Linux is free only if your time is worthless comes to mind

Every experienced Linux user knows how profoundly untrue this is.

After learning how to use it, the superior command line culture and support has led to Linux saving me a crapload of time, hundreds of hours a years-- but better than that, all of the time that I save comes out of what used to be the dullest, most boring, most repetitive drudge work of computing.

Anonymous said...

Yes, there are hidden support fees for the average computer user.

First, go back a few posts and listen to Alan Cox talk about Linux: "... one good thing about free software, because it's based on support, because the business is about support business..."

And then, on the speech 'Status of the Open-Source Desktop' by Havoc Pennington, he said "Robustness and Performace - If you start looking at Linux very critically, I think you'll find that often something gets confused and you end up having to go to the command line to repair it...". To listen to this part, just fast forward to minute 7 in the following link.

View part 1a of 'Status of the Open-Source Desktop'

I'll post soon links to all parts of 'Status of the Open-Source Desktop'.

It's always easy to argue with freetards if you have the appropriate documents. Most times freetards lose on their arguments.

blackbelt_jones said...

Personally, even if I had all the time in the world I don't have the patience for Linux. Too much trouble for very little reward, if any.

I can't know enough about your needs to know if there would be any reward for you. For me, it's been a crapload of money, a crapload of time, for the rest of my life, and computing is just a lot more interesting and fun because so much of the drudgery has been cut out.

But the first year was slow going, you have to invest upfront. I'm trememndously glad I made the switch, but nobody should have to do that.

Indeed, I never would have moved onto Linux if I hadn't had Windows to start out on. Microsoft has made the world a better place for me, and for everyone else, and they deserve to make a buck... and they do.

Anonymous said...

"Every experienced Linux user knows how profoundly untrue this is."

The problem is getting to that experience. Your argument, based upon fulfillment, applies to just about anything. It'll take two years learning how to use a Hole Hawg safely, but you'll never use anything else forthwith. Car maintenance is simple to the experienced. Hell, even build an entire house yourself.

Problem is, for most people, this level of specialized knowledge is not worth the effort, especially if the knowledge falls outside their particular field(s) of interest.

blackbelt_jones said...

It's always easy to argue with freetards if you have the appropriate documents. Most times freetards lose on their arguments.

There is no argument, Bucky! I like my desktop fine, and if you don't like it, don't use it. Good night, and God Bless America.

Anonymous said...

After learning how to use it, the superior command line culture and support has led to Linux saving me a crapload of time, hundreds of hours a years

You have repeated this over and over without backing it up. Let's hear how you save time.

Anonymous said...

Also, what about the "crapload" of money? Do you simply refer to the software sticker prices or has Linux automated your work to the point where you were able to supplement your income?

blackbelt_jones said...

The problem is getting to that experience. Your argument, based upon fulfillment, applies to just about anything. It'll take two years learning how to use a Hole Hawg safely, but you'll never use anything else forthwith. Car maintenance is simple to the experienced. Hell, even build an entire house yourself.

Problem is, for most people, this level of specialized knowledge is not worth the effort, especially if the knowledge falls outside their particular field(s) of interest.


Well, that may well be. I would say the investment could be worthwhile for many people who are going to be computers a lot for many years, but I'm not going to presume to make that decision for anyone, and neither should you. I only know that it has been abundantly worthwhile for me.

I have no quarrel with those who choose otherwise from me, only with those who say categorically that my choice has no value.

Nobody is trying to to take Windows away, and even those annoying Windows haters who do exist couldn't if they wanted. Use Windows, leave Linux the fuck alone. Or use Linux and leave Windows the fuck alone.

The fact is, neither OS is going anywhere. Unlike Amiga or OS/2, Linux does not need money to continue. It just needs users, and very few of the estimated 30 million users are goiing to switch back... but Microsoft with 90+ per cent of end users, is clearly not threatened. This IS the status quo. It's going to go on and on, and I'm wondering how long it will take before this whole He-Man Linux-Hater thing seems childish and silly.

blackbelt_jones said...

Also, what about the "crapload" of money? Do you simply refer to the software sticker prices or has Linux automated your work to the point where you were able to supplement your income?

Mostly, I was referring to hardware costs. Already covered.

Anonymous said...

Has there ever been a study on the ratio of "permanent" Linux users vs. "transitional" ones? I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the populace that has used Linux is 2-3% but with a "core" of something like 0.4%. The remaining 0.4-0.6 percent on top of that represented statistically would consist of transitional churn--different people at different times, mostly part timers.

Personally, my metric for "permanent" would be at least six months of 90% usage. A counter argument would say that people who split time 50/50 would be unfairly discounted, but I wager the number of people this applies to is below sampling error.

Anonymous said...

Actually the power-shell command line experience is superior to the Linux/Unix command-line experience. You still have to dump your commands through sed or awk. Microsoft avoided that issue by passing objects around instead of strings.

Consider your CLI experience owned, Lusers.

Anonymous said...

Mostly, I was referring to hardware costs. Already covered.

Most people don't acquire their next computer from the neighbor's trash and wouldn't even given the option.

blackbelt_jones said...

Briefly, here's one good example of time saving. Once, i found a tutorial about how to create DVD images from .avi files at the command line.

http://justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?t=142299&highlight=avi

I created a script that allowed me to automate the process so that I could run the machine all day and all night, and create a dozen DVD images at a time, and burn them all at once, bang bang bang.

I used to do this with a Windows GUI application, and I'd have to hover over the machine, loading in each individual DVD for each individual avi. This was so fast and so easy. I made about 50 DVDs in about a week.

The best part was that I really didn't understand how most of these intricatre commands worked, and I didn't have to. It was just copy and paste, make the script executable, run the script.

Now, Windows has a command line, windows has scripts, but does windows have the command line applications to make this particular script possible? I question that it does. Even if it did, realistically, I never would have come accross that information or learned that skill, if I hadn't been using Linux.

blackbelt_jones said...

Has there ever been a study on the ratio of "permanent" Linux users vs. "transitional" ones? I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the populace that has used Linux is 2-3% but with a "core" of something like 0.4%. The remaining 0.4-0.6 percent on top of that represented statistically would consist of transitional churn--different people at different times, mostly part timers.

Personally, my metric for "permanent" would be at least six months of 90% usage. A counter argument would say that people who split time 50/50 would be unfairly discounted, but I wager the number of people this applies to is below sampling error.


More phony numbers from "I wouldn't be surprised".

blackbelt_jones said...

Most people don't acquire their next computer from the neighbor's trash and wouldn't even given the option.

Most people pay a lot more money than I do. So god bless em.

Anonymous said...

Hey, I'll post soon the links to Havoc Pennington's 'Status of the Open-Source
Desktop'.

In the meantime, here is a link about Linux fragmentation:

Which Linux Distro And Why?

Quote: quot;Likewise, if you say 'I want to run Linux,' you'll get the same question: Which one? There's no one 'Linux' in the same
sense that there's no one 'car.' There are things common among all cars as there
are among all Linux distributions: All cars have an engine, and all Linux distributions share the Linux kernel and many of the GNU utilities."

Nevertheless, that's still fragmentation.

Linux fragmentation is item no. 2 of the top 5 problems with Linux:

1. Hidden costs in support
2. Fragmentation
3. Fanatical element among users
4. Patents issues
5. Intellectual property issues

Anonymous said...

More phony numbers from "I wouldn't be surprised".

Equally phony to your "Linux users never leave".

blackbelt_jones said...

1. Hidden costs in support
2. Fragmentation
3. Fanatical element among users
4. Patents issues
5. Intellectual property issues


NOT AGAINNNNNNNN!!!!!!!

You know, if the amnesia guy from "Memento" were here, even he would be getting sick of this.

1. Hidden? Hidden where?
2. And yet the auto industry survives.
3. Nothing says "fail" like a fanatically loyal user base
4. Hypothetically. Windows would open the door to a world of shit if they started litigating their thin patent claims. Like from Apple, for example. Which is why they like to hint at it so so much.
5. Like SCO for instance, HA HA HA!

Anonymous said...

Auto industry surviving? Where have you been, son? Fragmentation is killing off GM as we speak!

blackbelt_jones said...

More phony numbers from "I wouldn't be surprised".

Equally phony to your "Linux users never leave".


That's a phoney quote. Not what I said.

Anonymous said...

Source these statements, blackbelt:

very few of us ever go back

very few of the estimated 30 million users are goiing to switch back

Anonymous said...

'Status of the Open-Source Desktop'

By Havoc Pennington

January 17, 2004

Introduction 
Part 1a 
Part 1b 
Part 2a 
Part 2b

In early 2004, Pennington was leading the desktop development effort at Red Hat.

I don't know what Pennington is doing today.

If you look and listen closely, things haven't changed much in regard to the Linux desktop in 5 years.

Anonymous said...

Yes, you idiot, Windows does have command line tools to make your script possible. And this isn't a case of Linux saving you time it's a case of applications saving you time.

Anonymous said...

It also sounds like something MeGUI or FFMPEG frontend could handle. Or, hell, mencoder or ffmpeg directly--Windows supports that, too.

Anonymous said...

Top 5 Problems with Linux

1. Hidden costs in support
2. Fragmentation
3. Fanatical element among users
4. Patents issues
5. Intellectual property issues

From Havoc's introduction:

6. Drunks and druggies among developers

blackbelt_jones said...

Yes, you idiot, Windows does have command line tools to make your script possible. And this isn't a case of Linux saving you time it's a case of applications saving you time.

It's all about the apps, isn't it?

blackbelt_jones said...

And a second grader could do it, right?

blackbelt_jones said...

Top 5 Problems with Linux

1. Hidden costs in support
2. Fragmentation
3. Fanatical element among users
4. Patents issues
5. Intellectual property issues

From Havoc's introduction:

6. Drunks and druggies among developers
7. Aliens and Sasquatch among user base.

Anonymous said...

@blackbeltjones

As I suspected your claims were bogus in terms of something that only linux could do saved you so much time.


Now, Windows has a command line, windows has scripts, but does windows have the command line applications to make this particular script possible? I question that it does. Even if it did, realistically, I never would have come accross that information or learned that skill, if I hadn't been using Linux.


First of all nero has command line tools. Most of the gui applications will let you convert in bulk right from the gui. And despite your somewhat vaguely deceptive writing...on either system you will have to be there to insert blank cd's.


Now you make think it was "cool" because you copied some commands in a file and set it to executable. But this claim that it saved you time is bogus. It is also revealing that for as many times as you have claimed it that is the best you could come up with to back it up.

Anonymous said...


Drunks and droggies?


Eric Raymond surely looks quiet gone in that photo.

Photo taken at the AUUG 1999 annual conference, Melbourne.

More photos

Anonymous said...

More social drinkers?

LOL

Anonymous said...

Not to mention you could have looked up the same bullshit for Windows.

Which brings me to a point, people "learn" more about computing in general with Linux simply because they are forced to and to some extent more willing to look things up for Linux. When they were using Windows they bitched about it but when they checked out Linux they actually had to read something. This is the reason why you'll see people make statements like "You can't make Windows shutdown automatically" or something equally stupid. No, it's not that Windows couldn't, it's that you didn't bother to learn how. This applies directly to your "Linux saved my time because I looked up a method to automate a task".

Anonymous said...

Social gathering to figure out what to do with SCO v IBM, with drinks, horses and special guest Linus Torvalds:


Set of photos 1


Set of photos 2


Set of photos 3

Anonymous said...

I think fonts in Ubuntu look much better then Windows and about on par with Mac OS X.

blackbelt_jones said...

Not to mention you could have looked up the same bullshit for Windows.

Which brings me to a point, people "learn" more about computing in general with Linux simply because they are forced to and to some extent more willing to look things up for Linux. When they were using Windows they bitched about it but when they checked out Linux they actually had to read something. This is the reason why you'll see people make statements like "You can't make Windows shutdown automatically" or something equally stupid. No, it's not that Windows couldn't, it's that you didn't bother to learn how. This applies directly to your "Linux saved my time because I looked up a method to automate a task".


This touches on why many people consider the violin a beter musical education than the kazoo.

But I didn't look it up. It never would have occurred to me. Someone else figured it out for me and I found it. And that's the reality of Linux command line support. You guys have been talking up the real world advantages of Windows support, and rightly so.

The community is a huge educational advantage. Most of what i know, I learned by hanging out in Linux chat rooms long enough to get experienced Unix guys talking. I don't think there's very much like that for Windows, though I guess there probably is somewhere.

Sooooo after going on and on about the real world support problems for Linux, when I touch on the advantages, now you want to switch to the hypothetical. Why yes, I suppose that I cooooooould have learned these command line tricks for Windows, at least if you saaayayyyyyy sooooo and eveeeeeeerything you guys have said so far has been so very truuuuuuuuuuthful and objective.

But all I know is what actually happened, and I'm really happy with my choices...

so, hypothetically, you cccccoooooooould suck it!

Anonymous said...


Nuts among developers

More nuts among developers

Anonymous said...

I think the problem is people take their opinions as objective truth when it's really not. Most of the world's problems stem from this.

Anonymous said...

Whoever keeps posting/masterbating over pictures of nerds 10 years ago needs to get a fucking life. I think it's that Costa Rican nutjob.

Anonymous said...


The guy with the beard
looks wasted when celebrating Sun decided to release
its source code in late 2000.

The guy also looks tired probably at spending endless days and nights looking at Sun code to improve SMP and other stuff in BSD.

Anonymous said...


The guy with the beard
looks wasted when celebrating Sun decided to release its source code in late 2000.

The guy also looks tired probably at spending endless days and nights looking at Sun code to improve SMP and other stuff in BSD.

blackbelt_jones said...

I think the problem is people take their opinions as objective truth when it's really not.

The problem (and this happens on both sides) is that people think their experience applies to everybody else. Anybody wants to use Linux, I'll help them all I can. Anybody wants to use Windows, I'll leave em the fuck alone. Otherwise, I'm being a dick... like these guys!

They sure are fun to fuck with, though.

Anonymous said...


The guy with the beard
was later employed by IBM...

In 2002 the guy looked quiet smart and sober surrounded by all those machines and monitors.

Which machine has the Solaris 8 source code?

Anonymous said...

hey sure are fun to fuck with, though.

Says the guy who got more upset over an Internet argument than anything else that ever happened in his life.

blackbelt_jones said...


Says the guy who got more upset over an Internet argument than anything else that ever happened in his life.


How can you possibly know that?

Anonymous said...

The decrease in user comments at Groklaw really surprises me.

What happened?

Just a few weeks ago, there were massive layoffs at IBM. Those layoffs were carried out in secrecy.

Among the workers that left IBM, were there many members of Groklaw.

Anonymous said...

When will you SCO retards give up? Don't you got some debt collectors to entertain?

blackbelt_jones said...

The decrease in user comments at Groklaw really surprises me.

What happened?

Just a few weeks ago, there were massive layoffs at IBM. Those layoffs were carried out in secrecy.

Among the workers that left IBM, were there many members of Groklaw.


Is this one person having a little dialogue with himself? Weird.

At Groklaw, there's not a lot of comments for yesterday's post, or the day before. Looking back over the past few months, it's not unprecedented. Checking the dates of the layoffs as reported by online news sources, I'm not seeing a correlation. Maybe the illuminati is on the move.

Anonymous said...

We're waiting for IBM to show negative results in this coming quarter.

The negative news will come in late March, similar to what happened in March 1999. Link

More massive IBM layoffs should be announced then.

blackbelt_jones said...

Hey wait a minute!

Here's a quote from yesterday's story:

And now comes news that there is a chance to have input into the next major version of ODF, for now being called 'ODF-Next'. There is a call for proposals that went out Friday from the ODF technical committee, and here's where you go to read all about it and to leave your comments. You can comment here too, of course, but you must input there if you wish your input to be registered and considered. What would you like to see in the feature set of the next major release of ODF? What capabilities does ODF need? urse, but you must input there if you wish your input to be registered and considered.

So who besides me thinks that a story that explicitly tells readers to leave their comments elsewhere may tend to get less comments?

Dear God this discussion has taken a turn toward the chickenshit.

blackbelt_jones said...

We're waiting for IBM to show negative results in this coming quarter.

The negative news will come in late March, similar to what happened in March 1999. Link

More massive IBM layoffs should be announced then.


Thanks for the tip, Sunshine! :)

Anonymous said...

We like to play with your mind too!

Anonymous said...

wow 365 comments! Linux Hater, is this subject the one with the largest amount of reply comments?
Just Curious :)

Anonymous said...

http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/10/eof.html

Anonymous said...

Sooooo after going on and on about the real world support problems for Linux, when I touch on the advantages, now you want to switch to the hypothetical. Why yes, I suppose that I cooooooould have learned these command line tricks for Windows, at least if you saaayayyyyyy sooooo and eveeeeeeerything you guys have said so far has been so very truuuuuuuuuuthful and objective.

You have not offered any advantage which is the problem here. You have spent long frustrating endless hours to learn things that can already be done in windows. And after all that you are still limited by what you can't do on linux that you can do on windows.

Yet you claim that it saved you time over and over again. Which is of course bogus.

blackbelt_jones said...

You have not offered any advantage which is the problem here. You have spent long frustrating endless hours to learn things that can already be done in windows. And after all that you are still limited by what you can't do on linux that you can do on windows.

Yet you claim that it saved you time over and over again. Which is of course bogus.


So you say. Show me the script.

Why am I supposed to prove everything to you, and you don't have to prove everything? What kind of arrogant prick are you that I have to justify my choices to you anyway? But I will continue to make my case when I see the script for turing 12 avi files into 12 DVD isos automatically in suquence at the command line. Otherwise, it's just too much work.

blackbelt_jones said...

You made me mad for a minute, and I momentarily forgot who is the Linux USer, and who is the ignorant putz.

I don't think realistically, I ever would have learned how to do this in Windows whether it hypothetically could have be done, because of support issues that are just as real, and yeah, maybe because Windows wouldn't have forced me into learning that stuff, so what ever is theoretically possible, if I'd still be click clicking through and hating just like I used to. These issues are just as real as the Linux support problems you're always talking about.

It's not the only issue. I could go on and on, but why? You are an ignorant putz, just exactly as I would be if I started talking shit about Windows. Linux was not made to please the Linux Haters of the world. Of all the people in the world, the Linux Hater is precisely the person whose opinion of Linux matters the least, by definition. Also, you're a dick. You're a dick dick dickity dick and I have nothing to prove to you. Okay? Glad we had this time together.

Anonymous said...

Dude you need a shrink

blackbelt_jones said...

Thank you, Dr. Dick.

Anonymous said...

Look at the Wintards RAAAAAAGEEEE :)))))

Anonymous said...

I don't think blackbelt would appreciate being called a Wintard.

blackbelt_jones said...

Read it back.

You have not offered any advantage which is the problem here. You have spent long frustrating endless hours to learn things that can already be done in windows. And after all that you are still limited by what you can't do on linux that you can do on windows.

Yet you claim that it saved you time over and over again. Which is of course bogus.


There's just no denying that this really did make angry for a moment. Just the expectation that I'm supposed to justify myself to this anonymous internet fucktard. I'm happy to share my life experience, but my life experience is not on trial. That's just UBERdickishness. It's wrong, but more than that, it's just so fucking rude. Yeah it made me mad, no shit.

Serves me right, I guess. I knew you was a dick a long time ago. So I guess I got fair warning. Think I'll go play with the grownups now.

Anonymous said...

The Mayo Clinic welcomes you.

Anonymous said...

blackbelt_jones is loosing it just because a wintard fucked his sister from behind 2 nights ago.

LOL

Anonymous said...

blackbelt, is your sister's name Pamela by any chance?

Anonymous said...

I like how requesting some practical applications of Linux is "UBERFUCKISHLY rude" and somehow as invasive as an FBI probe.

Anonymous said...

Even more disturbing is that it appears to have made this guy leave his computer in a blind fit to go punch some walls.

Anonymous said...

Wasn't he the one bragging about how well it worked for him and how many "fuckloads" of hours and cash he saved? With all that boasting, you'd think he'd be glad to elaborate.

Anonymous said...

All he had was "I can burn DVDs full of AVIs". I was expecting something like him automating the city traffic grid or something the way he was talking.

blackbelt_jones said...

blackbelt_jones is loosing it just because a wintard fucked his sister from behind 2 nights ago.

LOL


Classy.

I'm not loosing it. I momentarily lost it, and that sort of takes the fun out of it. Now I'm just embarassed for wasting my time.


blackbelt, is your sister's name Pamela by any chance?

I don't get the reference.

I want to make some kind of classy exit, but I can't, and I don't really deserve one. I knew this was a big snakepit-wankfest. May God strike my ISP dead if I ever forget, and come back here for more nonsense.

Anonymous said...

blackbelt, you don't have to leave us.

We know your sister liked it.

So what's the problem dude?

blackbelt_jones said...

All he had was "I can burn DVDs full of AVIs". I was expecting something like him automating the city traffic grid or something the way he was talking.

That not all I had, you little shit, but why should I jump through any more hoops for you? Clearly, you're still trying to make me dance for your amusement by goading me. Keep it up. I would rather be the grownup with the inferior OS, than the arrogant little turd with the superior OS anyway.

You are a disgrace. Bill Gates, who happens to be a great humanitarian who I respect a great deal, would be embarrassed to be represented by your unbelievabile dickishness.

Anonymous said...

Settle down before the neighbours call the cops on you.

Anonymous said...

You mean the "grownup" throwing the Internet's biggest tantrum while calling everyone in sight "dicky dick dick dick dick dick dick dick dick"?

Anonymous said...

There's just no denying that this really did make angry for a moment. Just the expectation that I'm supposed to justify myself to this anonymous internet fucktard. I'm happy to share my life experience, but my life experience is not on trial. That's just UBERdickishness. It's wrong, but more than that, it's just so fucking rude. Yeah it made me mad, no shit.

Serves me right, I guess. I knew you was a dick a long time ago. So I guess I got fair warning. Think I'll go play with the grownups now.



I didn't mean to make you angry. In having read your comments for a few weeks, you seem like a pretty nice guy who I would probably enjoy knowing in real life. It's probably not fair to expect you to keep track of who wrote what with so many being anonymous so I'll let it slide that you called me a dick.

You yourself used the terms long, frustrating and endless or at least the equivalent in describing the time spent learning linux. More importantly you made the claim that linux has saved you countless hundreds of hours. I didn't ask you to prove that your script works because I believe that it does. I asked you to back up your claim of saved time which I fail to see how that relates to your life experience being on trial.

In most instances there is not a big demand to convert avi to dvd mpeg. Most avi files have been compressed from a better source using divx or xvid for the purpose of smaller file size. Often those avi files are actually dvd rips compressed to the size of a single cd. So transcoding them back to dvd format is not optimal. But a simple google search will show a plethora of gui windows tools to bulk transcode from just about any format to any other format.

I agree that it's sort of cool to automate things via scripts and such. But I do challenge your claim that it was linux that saved you time and I don't think you have backed it up with any facts or examples.

Anonymous said...

Besides http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/ clearly states:

"Got anything rant-worthy? or just plain stupid?"

So what's all the fuzz.

What's the difference between LHB and Groklaw? CENSORSHIP.

Just write something factual anti-Groklaw and inmediately gets deleted.

Write something factual anti-LHB and the thing stays. Write something stupid anti-LHB and the thing stays. This is cool.

We're just waiting for another great article from LHB.

Anonymous said...

This blog is smut show.

Anonymous said...

Correction:

Just write something factual anti-Groklaw in Groklaw and inmediately it gets deleted.

Write something factual anti-LHB in LHB and the thing stays. Write something stupid anti-LHB in LHB and the thing stays. This is cool.

Anonymous said...

Isn't Linux a smut show too?

Watch Revolution OS and you'll learn why.

Link

Oh, Eric Raymond is definitely nuts!

LOL

Anonymous said...

Bill Gates is infamously combative. This stuff is tame. That dude knows how to tear people down.

Anonymous said...

Corrected link:
Revolution OS
A great smut show!

Anonymous said...

You have problems. Get help.

Anonymous said...

Actually Revolution OS should have a subtitle "Egos in Collision".

It's so funny to see Stallman, Torvalds and Perens having to deal with each other's contributions.

Not only there's fragmentation in the Linux distributions, there's also fragmentation in the business model.

Torvalds is so pale it's easy to see his face turn red when responding a question about GNU/Linux.

LOL

blackbelt_jones said...

I agree that it's sort of cool to automate things via scripts and such. But I do challenge your claim that it was linux that saved you time and I don't think you have backed it up with any facts or examples.


Okay I apologize, because that's what a grown up would do. I really did get way too mad to be rational, and that's not right.

But I absolutely did give you an example. And I still think it's valid, because even though hypothetical second graders in hypothetical tests hypothetically prefer the Windows GUI, I don't think that's got a lot to do with the command line or scripting. I don't think that the average Windows user has access to the kind of help that i got learning how to use the command line from other users for free.

It's just one example. I'm not going to list every fucking script I ever wrote. I don't really expect to convince you of anything, and I'm not going to bust my ass trying. I've got many reasons for my preference, but it's degrading to be expected to parade them for your approval. I'm not trying to get you change your OS, or have any opinion on anything you do.

I'm really sorry to call you a dick, but it kind of fits. All you guys do in here is beat up on a minority, which is what a bully does, and what a bigot does. It's not exactly a progrom, but it's... just not something I respect. I know that's just my opinion, but who else's opinion would you expect from me?

Anyway, It's definitely a sign of immaturity on my part that I let you get under my skin like this. I can't you let you spoil my FOSS fun.

So you know what I'm going to have to do now? I'm going to do what they taught me in AA. I'm going to pray for you. I know; that's pretty horrible isn't it? Well, you asked for it. It really does work. However it works, it just forces out the anger.

Sorry for being such a dick, you dick.

It's 2:30 AM, I'm just gonna post this motherfucker and turn out the light.

Anonymous said...

"I don't think that the average Windows user has access to the kind of help that i got learning how to use the command line from other users for free."

Are you really suggesting that tutorials and forums regarding Windows and Windows applications are less accessible than Linux? My experience has been to the contrary and since we both access the same internet...

Anonymous said...

But I absolutely did give you an example. And I still think it's valid, because even though hypothetical second graders in hypothetical tests hypothetically prefer the Windows GUI, I don't think that's got a lot to do with the command line or scripting. I don't think that the average Windows user has access to the kind of help that i got learning how to use the command line from other users for free.

I tried to have a rational discussion with you but you don't seem capable. The point is that the bulk automation conversion that you speak of is available in windows either on the command line or within the actual video editing programs. It's not hypothetical. It's not a hypothetical dumb 2nd grade level. It's a fact.


It's just one example. I'm not going to list every fucking script I ever wrote. I don't really expect to convince you of anything, and I'm not going to bust my ass trying. I've got many reasons for my preference, but it's degrading to be expected to parade them for your approval. I'm not trying to get you change your OS, or have any opinion on anything you do.

Again with this victim mentality. You made a claim and can't back it up. You claimed multiple times that linux has saved you countless 100's of hours after the initial long frustrating endless hours of learning it. You've provided one example of something that could also be done in windows. It can even be done in windows within a gui program. Linux did not save you time, automation saved you time, the same automation you could have easily found in windows. You have not backed up your claim.

Asking you to back up your claim is not rude, or dickish, or an expectation that you need my approval. The only reason to keep going on about those things is if you can't back up YOUR claims.

I don't care why you made your choices either. However if you are going to make claims and expect to be taken seriously than you may have to back them up. Clearly you cannot.

Anonymous said...

Leave the poor guy alone. This Hey, Linux is worth the pain on the long run after you've been learning (*struggling*) for 10 years is the only hope they have left.

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