Friday, February 13, 2009

Platform of the Web

Sorry. Been busy. Not too much time to write right now, but thought I’d mention this if you haven’t seen it. Firefox on Wine outperforms native Firefox on Linux. That’s just awesome guys. What was that about having a lightweight platform that runs better on less resources?

I see a lot of drive-by commentards saying something like I’m spreading FUD on behalf of MS. The more I think about it, freetards do something similar. It’s not FUD, it’s the opposite. I’m going to call it COCK. Certainty, Optimism, Conviction, and KDE. Certainty, as in you guys are sooo sure that your OS is the shit, without knowing anything about how real people use real OSes. Optimism, as in y’all are blindly optimistic when it comes to the future of your evolving shitpile. Conviction, as in it’s a fucking religion and y’all go around trying to convert people. And KDE, well just cuz KDE sucks, and y’all try to spread it around to people who don’t care, don’t want it, and dont’ give a fuck.

So please, for the love of Linus, stop spreading COCK.

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blackbelt_jones said...

Well, maybe. "Outperforms" seems like a general word for a specific measurement (speed). Back when I used to run firefox on XP (maybe 4 years ago) it used to crash and crash and crash.

I think we can all agree that the the time saved running firefox on a more hospitable platform will not compare the time that is about to spent on the resulting internet fagdance.

Anonymous said...

So much for walking away.

Anonymous said...

@blackbelt_jones
Firefox on Linux crashed all the fucking time for me. It was always faster and more reliable on Windows; it's the native platform for it anyway. Not that it really matters; Chrome and IE8 are both much better browsers than Firefox... hell I'd take Safari or Opera over it even. Things have really changed; Firefox feels old, slow, and just isn't the revolutionary browser it used to be

Anonymous said...

I can't wait for all the "GCC rules because I can use it on my 68k Amiga from 1985" nerds to start posting. Guess what, GCC might be great for developing on your Atari, but it's about the suckiest choice in existence when it comes to the hardware platform everyone actually uses.

Anonymous said...

I just tried it. 288 in Wine, 251 in Linux.

Owned!

Go go Linux!

Anonymous said...

I love this comment:

This test makes me think that the difference IS a problem of the Firefox Linux code and not so much of Linux itself.
Looks like Mozilla doesn't really bother optimizing for Linux.
I've always been an avid Firefox user, but maybe I should review my options.


Typical FOSS response:
1. Blame anyone but Linux
2. Slag Mozilla for caring more about the other 99%

You people need to get real. No corporation supports front-end Linux more than Mozilla. If anyone should be "reviewing options", it's Mozilla.

Anonymous said...

Linus dropped KDE for Gnome...

Anonymous said...

The diagnostics tips are ridiculous. They are all providing massive lists of time consuming tests and rioting that the benchmark guy didn't spend six months exhausting every possible option.

The kicker is it doesn't matter what benchmark guy does, he's not the provider of software! Who cares how fast his custom version runs? It's not what people are downloading!

Anonymous said...

Could the person who scans the firefox source for security holes also please make sure the code is optimized during todays pass?

Hahahaha!!!

"Hey, this software sucks. Could you make it mo better? Oh by the way I need this done by tonight. No I don't care that it took ten years to get this far."

Snaury said...

Well, after switching to Mac, I can say that Firefox is slow piece of shit on OSX as well. It looks like Windows is the only platform where they managed to get good speeds. And speaking of Mac OSX, bless those that haven't tried native Safari, they don't even know how fast web pages can work and especially scroll. :)

Anonymous said...

Well all this proves is Mozilla optimizes the Windows version more then the Linux version. I don't understand why they would have different codebases for a fucking JavaScript engine though.

We will see if the situation changes at all with the upcoming Firefox 3.1

Anyway as an unashamed Linux lover, I have to admit that this post was actually insightful, which is rare for you LH. Good job.

Anonymous said...

The same site actually benchmarked Windows 7 and Windows Vista compared to Ubuntu.

Anonymous said...

Well all this proves is Mozilla optimizes the Windows version more then the Linux version. I don't understand why they would have different codebases for a fucking JavaScript engine though.

The codebase is the same, but they use PGO with MSVC. I seem to remember them trying to do the same with GCC but they ran into trouble with it not producing sane results (what else is new?). It looks like it's supported in their build system so Lintards can rice up their own and then complain to Mozilla because they're crashing too much with their -Oomgfast flags.

Anonymous said...

Is this a surprise?

Every app I've tried which has both versions for Windows and Linux works much better and more smoothly on Windows. Every single one of them.

Anonymous said...

Firefox 3.1 doesn't seem to suffer from the same perf issues. It's something to do with the way they profile the software on Windows.

Anonymous said...

Iceweasel beats Firefox+Wine on my Debian install. So there!

Anonymous said...

@February 13, 2009 2:48 PM

Overall though if you look at the same site's OTHER benchmarks it shows that Ubuntu is a much faster OS then Windows. Overall.

Anonymous said...

Overall though if you look at the same site's OTHER benchmarks it shows that Ubuntu is a much faster OS then Windows. Overall.

It might very well be. And in everything regarding IO and Vista, that's surely my experience. Despiste that, in common use, apps feel a lot more sluggish on Ubuntu than on Vista.

Anonymous said...

Yawn.. The Win32 build of Firefox scores a little higher on some artificial JavaScript engine test, most likely caused by MSVC doing a better job than GCC. The difference is probably only marginally noticable (if at all) on modern hardware. Anyways, nice of you to bring attention to the matter; I'm sure many angry penguins are already looking into the problem, and that it'll all be solved in a few years.

This is boring hatred, ramp up rant quality, please. You are losing the edge on your jihad against an operating system. The really good points are few and far between, now.

Next post: «Hot off the press: Linux is no game !» All work and no play makes Tux a dull boy. Games don't work on Linux, so all you stupid people out there should really think twice before you infest your computers with 'tard-ware. There be dragons in Linux alright, but you won't be able to bash them with your terminal weapon.

The Blue Fox said...

"I'm sure many angry penguins are already looking into the problem, and that it'll all be solved in a few years."



Because we all know Linux is years behind Windows.

Anonymous said...

Please have my babies!

Anonymous said...

Actually it's already fixed in Firefox 3.1

This blog needs MORE hate! MORE HATE FUCKER

Anonymous said...

I love this article. Wintards see LOL LINUX SUX maybe, but this article shows two really amazing things.

1) The slowness of Firefox has nothing to do with Linux or X (Why? Because Wine also uses Linux and X)

2) Wine is fucking fast. It's near native. So all these people who talk shit about Wine will eat their words.

Cheers LH! Or should I say Linux Lover..

Anonymous said...

I wonder when we'll finally get Chrome for Linux. I can't even use Firefox once I tried Chrome.

blackbelt_jones said...

Anonymous said...

So much for walking away.


I don't remember saying that I was walking away from the site, just you. Or maybe it was some other Anonymous. By the way, how much of a pussy do you have to be to not be willing to hide behind a blogspot username?

I really think I should though. I mean, I'm interested in discussing these issues, but this whole situation is so degrading! What the hell is supposed to be going on here, anyway? Is this a discussion of IT or some kind of nasty game.

I really do believe Linux users should boycott this site, not because we want to influence the Hater and his (apparently) 13 year old fans, but because it's unseemly for us get to drawn into this.

We all love Linux, and many of us have been working in different ways to make it more accessible to others, and that's fine, but we don't need these people. We don't need them to use our software, We don't need these people to like us, we don't need them to understand us, we don't need them to respect us. And coming here to engage them in any way only gives them the impression that we do. I think they get a charge out of being our abusive boyfirend.

Certainty, as in you guys are sooo sure that your OS is the shit, without knowing anything about how real people use real OSes.


You see, they we think we need them because they're "real people" and we're not. We're not even people. And showing up here confirms that. I came here originally because I am very much interested in how real people use real OSes, but not if I don't get to be a real person too.

There has to be some minimal level of respect for humanity in order for your opinion to matter. There just has to be! Some people are going to think that I just can't take a joke, but I'm reminded of Jay Leno's comment about Andrew Dice Clay's standup act: "Where's the joke?"

Anonymous said...

Blackbelt,

Given the social (ahhhem) qualities of the fosstard'o'sphere, I think it is high time that you accept that Gnome and KDE are dead, and you should all start working on ReactOS, because that is the one that supports the best API on xorg;)

Anonymous said...

ReactOS is a dumb project. They could just use a Linux kernel, X, and Wine with a gay Windows interface and they'd actually be so much further ahead. All the Windows fanboys would cum all over them and they'd have a big gay orgy afterwards.

Anonymous said...

blackbelt_jones,

Make up your mind. You talk about walking away, boycotts, etc., but here you are every topic. You lash out, insult, and exhaust yourself, and for what? Your arguments are disorganized and too insult laden to convince anybody. You lose your cool at the slightest provocation, just like every other zealot.

While I post here for amusement, I imagine you hunched over your keyboard, sweating profusely, defending your lifestyle. I'll bet you carry this around with you all day, too. You're endemic of the FOSS spirit. You're so emotionally invested in this that you can't even engage in rational discourse.

Anonymous said...

Hi Linux Hater,

I read your blog and I love it. Keep posting and there might be a check coming to your mailbox. ;)

Love,
Bill Gates

Russell said...

"They could just use a Linux kernel, X, and Wine with a gay Windows interface"

Thats like putting a clean blanket over a steaming pile of turd

Russell said...

And of course, for you clueless tards out there, the "gay windows interface" would be the clean blanket!

Anonymous said...

Firefox 3 on Linux surely kills user experience on Ubuntu. Its slow to load, slow to navigate and slow to scroll pages (don't even think about scrolling on a fixed-background-flash page).

Anyway, I don't think Firefox could be a good comparison software. On Windows works better, but is still inconsistent, with some serious performance problems and a not well optimized disk and memory usage.

Alvarez said...

Yeah, new shit to talk about!

HURRAY WINE, now we know it's a great linux app! Another great succes to FOSS programers...

Now, it's obvious that Firefox code is optimized for Windows, there isn't any other reason. It couldn't have been X (they were running on the same display), but we know GTK is kinda slow (compared to Winchot's SarT menu it's fucking fast, but not compared to wine).

BTW, are you never gonna show your true self? Are you affraid of COCK ppl or just to stupid ... or maybe you use Linux and you are kinda smart and make jokes on it, when you actually love it. (I bet on the third one ;)

Dread Knight said...

I can make my COCK do tricks!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVPsT0Mx6bY

:D



My COCK is much bigger than yours btw

Dread Knight said...

And what the fuck does KDE have to do with wine or Firefox?


And you are not a real person :D

KDE4 is the best DE ever, pees on every other OS / DE.


But people with attitude like yours don't help, they just brag about stuff.

Instead of saying things suck, why not spend time and make them suck less?

It's last time i read your articles, i could make much better use of my time.

Don't like open source, then don't fucking use it. Simple as that.

I do have frustrations over linux at times, but nothing that can't be fixed with enough time and love... and compared with windows has to offer... heh...
I'm not really sure what are you trying to gain with all those blog posts.

Anonymous said...

Linux Hater is afraid of being fucked by COCK

Anonymous said...

I don't get what you are trying to say? That Firefox sucks or that Wine is f'ing awesome? Anyway what does this have to do with Linux? Doesn't Wine run on Linux too?

I don't get the point of this. Please more Linux hateful posts. This will just get people pissed at Mozilla.

blackbelt_jones said...

To paraphrase Walt Whitman:

Do I contradict myself? Very well then, lick me.

Your arguments are disorganized and too insult laden to convince anybody. You lose your cool at the slightest provocation, just like every other zealot.

While I post here for amusement, I imagine you hunched over your keyboard, sweating profusely, defending your lifestyle.

Do me a favor, and imagine me giving you the "jerk off" sign.

Do you contradict yourself? Very well then, lick me.

When I came here I didn't try to convert anybody, I made a point about not criticizing windows, and I agreed that Linux Users shouldn't proselytize. But it didn't really matter. No matter what I say or don't say, I'm a glassy eyed zealot. Maybe that's your religious belief in your superiority over people who care about things. This site is not a debate. It's just a fucked up practical joke. Get people mad, and then laugh at them for being mad. LOL! Dipshit.

None of this has any bearing on my lifestyle, or computers or any of that shit. This is just assholes being assholes... and yeah, assholes being assholes pisses me off.

This is what I work on, man. If I knew what you care about, I could make you lose your cool, and if there's nothing you care about that much, your life must really suck.

I will stop coming back here when i become more bored than angry. It won't be long.

Dread Knight said...

You shoot yourself in the leg. Time flies fast and microsoft is not your friend, so you are just a fanatic.

In open source you can change things, be part of it... but you are too dumb to understand that... so... http://www.retrorush.nl/shop/images/A-Team_MrT_Shut_Up_Fool_t-shirt_small.jpg

Anonymous said...

Because we all know Linux is years behind Windows.

Well, maybe you don't know, but it is. In every relevant way.

Anonymous said...

Certainty, Optimism, Conviction Applies to Windows users with Vista as well.

Sorry its the nature of tards on all sides.

Speed issue is a few things GTK is a major one. Its not optimized for threading that well. Next is X11 it self Wine does a set of optimizations to reduce X11 calls.

Basically it DRI 2 alterations and GTK corrections that are required for the Firefox speed issue.

Anonymous said...

Nice explanation:

"Turns out the mozilla build system does support PGO with gcc though: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Building_with_Profile-Guided_Optimization [mozilla.org] . I'm not sure how it compares with the PGO in MSCC. I don't even know if the distros tend to build it with PGO. In any case gcc tends to lag behind commercial compilers in terms of performance (that is after all the selling point of commercial compilers). GCC tends to be ahead in terms of standards compliance."

*PGO: Profile Guided Optimization
For more: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1126335&cid=26841669

Anonymous said...

@Dread Knight
Yeah, KDE4 is so awesome that you even can rotate your plasmoids... lol

Anonymous said...

Linux is no match for windows.Stupid OS.It never works perfectly.windows 7 is waaaaay ahead.The world uses windows so it is clear.

Psy said...

The world uses windows so it is clear.

I'm a Windows user but also a programmer and the only thing is clear to me is that success is related to the business model, something that Linux lacks and is in fact avoided by the community.

Windows got improvements because MS feels pressure about their lack of innovation in Windows as an OS on the past years, in contrast to other OS's like Linux that mutates constantly and sometimes can hit the user with very attractive technologies like Compiz.

blackbelt_jones said...

Typical FOSS response:
1. Blame anyone but Linux
2. Slag Mozilla for caring more about the other 99%


Yeah, I have to agree, that is the typical FOSS response. But most FOSS users will not respond at all, because they are prefectly content to give this one to Windows. I can name one application that ran better for me on Linux (Second Life) and one Application that ran better for me on Windows (Audacity).

I've been accused of blaming Hardware and Software vendors for caring more about the 99 per cent, but it's just the way it is. Support issues for Linux are not Linux's fault, but they are real. They are NOT evidence that Linux is technically inferior to be cited in an abstract internet debate. They ARE a prefectly valid reason why, in the real world, many people, perhaps most people, should not choose Linux at this time.


One thing that is important to remember is that (according to something I read somewhere) desktop computer use is still experiencing robust growth worldwide, so standing still in market share equals robust growth in terms of actual users, and that's really all that matters. Windows and Linux are both growing at about the same speed. If we wanted to take over the world, Micorosoft growth would be troubling, but I'm pretty sure that most of us, don't want to take over the world. One Microsoft deserves to make a buck. I've seen people talk about how Luser talk about how Microsoft must be crushed, and yeah, these people are completely insane. Like Steve Ballmer, I guess.

I do think that there's a tendancy to be overoptimistic in relation to Linux's future, mostly cooked up by internet pundits needing for a way to make tech reporting sound dramatic. So they predictg a big breakthrough that will get them hits and posts and whatnot. There's not necessarily going to be a year of the Linux Desktop, but there's no mistaking that we're here to stay. Even if the growth slows and market share declines, the server market will keep Linux alive enough to make the Desktop viable. We're going to be able to keep doing what we're doing. That's all I know for certain, and all I care about.

As far as converting people, migrating was hard for me, and I have an obligation not to sugar coat that. I worry that some people are setting everyday users up for failure, and that serves no one (except Microsoft) I'm not interested in recruiting people who aren't interested. I'm interested in helping people who are interested.

Damn it, I've not a fanatic. You talk to me about losing my cool "at the slightest provocation" but I'm pretty sure I've never been so provoked in my life, and I'm not exactly a young man. You provoke irrational responses, and you get them. It's a scam. I'm onto you now. Next time I'll know bette

blackbelt_jones said...

r.

Anonymous said...

Psy,

The Compiz project has died, because its maintainer, er um lost interest and ceased development.

Anonymous said...

I checked, and Firefox/Wine outperforms the native Firefox by about 6% (205 to 193pts). That test was done with different architectures, versions and addons, btw.
I do not, however, see why this means that Linux is not a lightweight platform.

As for KDE, I just like to work the way I want to. Programs aiming for 'usability' tend to force the user to work in some way (after all, choice could confuse them).
Off the top of my head, Kate has about 16 configuration tabs, whilst Gedit has 4. Which is more likely to allow me to do just what I want? What if I wanted to change the indentation style?
This, btw, does not mean that I don't hate KDE4.

Anonymous said...

I love all the ICC suggestions.

1. ICC isn't 100% GCC compatible. There will be bugs and regressions.
2. ICC represents everything Stallman and his fans stand against.

Anonymous said...

The point isn't that the Linux version is marginally slower, it's that the Linux version is slower at all. For years we were told that, despite GCC's inefficiency, despite binutils' crippling bugs, despite all the redundant frameworks and abstraction layers, that, somehow, Linux was so well coded that Windows didn't stand a chance.

Given the propaganda, there shouldn't be a 6% difference one way or another, Linux should be winning by double digits.

Anonymous said...

As a side note, I find it interesting that the advocates seem to be downplaying the performance aspect these days. Back in the Windows 98 era, it was all about how efficient Linux was that one could get his work done faster even if it were harder to use.

Psy said...

Psy, the Compiz project has died, because its maintainer, er um lost interest and ceased development.
Erm, so, the world uses Windows because Compiz failed?? What??

Anonymous said...

Erm, so, the world uses Windows because Compiz failed?? What??

No. The world uses Windows because every magnificent project which is supposed to put Linux on the radar fails. Compiz is just the more recent example.

Anonymous said...

...and every worthwhile "Linux" project gets ported everywhere else anyway.

blackbelt_jones said...

The point isn't that the Linux version is marginally slower, it's that the Linux version is slower at all. For years we were told that, despite GCC's inefficiency, despite binutils' crippling bugs, despite all the redundant frameworks and abstraction layers, that, somehow, Linux was so well coded that Windows didn't stand a chance.

1. Really? I'm not hearing that particular COCK as much as I used to. The same for Window's famous crashes, and the Blue Screen of Death. That's old news. I don't use Windows, but I keep hearing that Windows doesn't crash nearly as much as it used to. It's almost like some competing force entered the market, and forced Windows to clean up it's act. You're welcome.

2. I'm still not too psyched about the prospects of Vista if you put it on the Pentium 3 machine that Ubutnu performed on for me so satisfactorily.

3. We have been told by whom? Did you get this from an industry site, a blog, or in a chat room? Well, regardless, it's a good thing we have honest sites like the one that posted this news story to cut through the COCK and bull stories put out by Lusers and Freetards sites like Tux Radar...

Uh... what?

Yes, that's right. To demonstrate the duplicity of the misinformation spread by the Linux community, Our Young Friend, Herr Hater, is citing a Pro-Linux news site as his source.

I think I may have been a little too hasty. I may just decide to stick around. You may say that my story is COCK. but I say: suck it!

Anonymous said...

That "competing force" was Microsoft's own products, to which people have always been reluctant to abandon. When it comes to desktop enhancements, Linux never rose above OS/2 level on their radar. Does Microsoft even have any literature aimed at Linux end users? I'd like to see it if it exists.

Anonymous said...

bbj,

The last couple of years, I don't hear COCK as much anymore either. Now days the entire fosstard'o'sphere is based around more of a SLUT (Slander, Liable, Underestimate, and Trash) strategy.

For example, its been a couple of days since KDawson has posted on Slashdot, but virtually everything he posts is along the lines of the SLUT strategy. Be it accuse Microsoft of criminality where none exists, claim that Microsoft is circling the drain of irrelevancy, or a baseless claim about the quality of Microsoft's software.

Anonymous said...

That's old news. I don't use Windows, but I keep hearing that Windows doesn't crash nearly as much as it used to. It's almost like some competing force entered the market, and forced Windows to clean up it's act.

You mean that MS released Windows NT on 1993 because two years before that some finnish student started his own OS as a hobby? ;)

Right.

Anonymous said...

BTW, that would be an example of SLUT.

blackbelt_jones said...

That "competing force" was Microsoft's own products, to which people have always been reluctant to abandon. When it comes to desktop enhancements, Linux never rose above OS/2 level on their radar. Does Microsoft even have any literature aimed at Linux end users? I'd like to see it if it exists.



Dear God, even in here that's the dumbest thing I have ever read .

Have you tried Google.com? Try "balmer linux" for a whole lot of wacky public statements, ("Linux is a cancer."), and try "ballmer linux munich" about Ballmer's efforts to personally lobby the city of Munich not to migrate to Linux, which may have been illegal.

Of course, none of these things count as literature. For that you might have to check a slightly more obscrure site called Microsoft.com

For example, its been a couple of days since KDawson has posted on Slashdot, but virtually everything he posts is along the lines of the SLUT strategy. Be it accuse Microsoft of criminality where none exists, claim that Microsoft is circling the drain of irrelevancy, or a baseless claim about the quality of Microsoft's software.

Allow me to personally apologize for the writings of this person I've never heard of.

Anonymous said...

Allow me to personally apologize for the writings of this person I've never heard of.

Then you have never read Slashdot, or you can't read...

blackbelt_jones said...

BTW, that would be an example of SLUT.

Nonsense. You raise a good point, and I may have been wrong about that particular point, but I did not set out to slander anybody.

blackbelt_jones said...

Don't you think there are people who have heard of Slashdot but don't read it all that much. When do we start pulling hair?

Anonymous said...

I asked specifically for literature aimed at end users. I am well aware of Microsoft targeting CIOs, government institutions, and decision making sysadmins. None of these qualify as "end users".

Anonymous said...

Nonsense. You raise a good point, and I may have been wrong about that particular point, but I did not set out to slander anybody.

No, you were at the underestimate and trash end of the acronym.

But none the less, the central strategy of the linux community is to accuse Microsoft of criminality where none exists and the entire purpose of those various slanders is to tarnish Microsoft's reputation.

It is that inherent intellectual dishonesty of the typical desktop linux user that is at the core of my complaint with the linux community.

Abandon that, and we are gold;) No need to slap hands and pull hair.

Anonymous said...

What the Wintards here say is an example of FUD. Not SLUT, not COCK, not PISS but good old fashioned FUD.

To the person saying Compiz is dead:

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/02/compiz-community-shakeup-could-bring-big-improvements.ars

blackbelt_jones said...

I asked specifically for literature aimed at end users. I am well aware of Microsoft targeting CIOs, government institutions, and decision making sysadmins. None of these qualify as "end users".

LOL!* Well, I guess that changes everything. None of this other stuff proves that Microsoft has noticed Linux at all. Did Steve Ballmer ever refer to OS/2 as "a cancer"?

I don't know how many of you there are, but I can't help but notice that your tone is becoming increasingly shrill and, to use a colloquiallism, bitchy. I just wanted to point that out, in a friendly way: No matter how many of you there are, you're all starting to sound like the same shrill little bitch.

*Note: that's a real LOL, not a phony internet one. I really did laugh out loud. I'm really starting to enjoy this site.

Boy, if I'm smart I'll cut out now. I'm starting to show signs of hubris. I've been here before. I know what happens next.

Anonymous said...

Microsoft was convicted of violating federal anti-trust laws in the USA. So calling them a criminal organization is accurate. It's only slander if it isn't true.

Anonymous said...

What the Wintards here say is an example of FUD. Not SLUT, not COCK, not PISS but good old fashioned FUD.

To the person saying Compiz is dead:

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/02/compiz-community-shakeup-could-bring-big-improvements.ars


More promises and futureware.

Anonymous said...

blackbelt_jones,

Here are the Cliff Notes:

1. The blog comments revolve around desktop Linux.
2. You posted a statement to the effect that Linux directly influenced Windows.
3. Given 1 & 2, it is easily inferred that you referred to desktop Linux.
4. I asked for specific examples that Microsoft sees desktop Linux as a threat.
5. As usual, you insult and distract but ultimately come up with nothing.

blackbelt_jones said...

No, you were at the underestimate and trash end of the acronym.

But none the less, the central strategy of the linux community is to accuse Microsoft of criminality where none exists and the entire purpose of those various slanders is to tarnish Microsoft's reputation.

It is that inherent intellectual dishonesty of the typical desktop linux user that is at the core of my complaint with the linux community.


So I was trashing Microsoft by... acknowleding that the quality of their software had greatly improved, that the old criticisms no longer applied... and by implying a possible motive in competition and free enterprise.

God, I feel so dirty! I guess I'll return to "my evolving shitpile" of an OS and send Steve Ballmer an apology.

Anonymous said...

Well look at this oh loyal defender of Microsoft:
http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/02/why-microsoft-wants-director-os-desktop.html

Andrea said...

who cares. really. who cares.

blame whoever you want to blame. freetards, unfreetards, lintards, wintards.

The REAL fact is:
I'm on my brother's Core2Duo running WinXP today doing really advanced and productive windows activities (playing games), and I feel this machine really very very sluggerish, compared to my Pentium4 running Lenny, KDE3.5 and the open ATI drivers.

Who cares if winblows is faster.
I prefer a slow system giving me its best than a fast system encumbered by whoever-cares-what-makes-windows-a-shitload-of-crap .

Anonymous said...

Fellow Anonymous: awesome link. As a bonus, you even accomplished this without calling me a cock or pussy. blackbelt_jones, take notes. This guy knows what he's doing.

Anonymous said...

Note that I am not abandoning my original argument. You still have not met the burden that Linux alone forced Microsoft to improve past end user products.

Anonymous said...

Well that's not me making that argument. I would say that if Microsoft had no competition, they wouldn't have bothered to come out with better products. It's not in their business interest to do so if their monopoly is absolute. Since at the time of Windows XP development and release, Apple wasn't much of a competitor, I think Linux's existence greatly influenced that OS release.

Anonymous said...

Fellow Anonymous: the "you" in my statement referred to blackbelt_jones.

I still disagree with your argument, though. Did you use the Linux of 2000? It was pretty rough. Those were still the days when kernel compiles were required to do anything useful. We were still mired in the KDE boycott and QPL nonsense, and GNOME was trash. Everything else was abandoned or stagnate.

Thank you for presenting your argument clearly and concisely, however, and with supporting evidence to boot.

Anonymous said...

Yeah perhaps, but one thing Linux did well especially around that time is not crash. Another thing it had was superior security. If you look at what Windows XP offered over the 9x series it mostly replaced, was stability and security really. 9x has no permissions model to speak of, and it was notoriously unstable (that's where most of the BSOD jokes come from).

So I do think it was a direct response to the perceived advantages of Linux at the time. If Windows XP wasn't released and we'd still be using 9x today I think Linux would have dominated Windows by now.

Anonymous said...

I would actually argue the initial version of XP decreased network facing security. Win95 had the "WinNuke" winsock attack, but, for the most part, 9x was simple enough to be largely unassailable given its blatant lack of functionality. XP shipped with loads of questionable services enabled by default and no default firewall.

Economics had more to do with 9x's reign than Linux. Intuitively, do you really think Microsoft wanted to maintain two distinct, largely incompatible versions of Windows? Microsoft had long wanted to bring NT mainstream, but hardware limitations and pricing made it infeasible to do so before XP. Were 300 Mhz machines with 128 MB RAM cheaply available in 1995, we'd have never seen Windows 9x.

By the, way, XP came to market later than it should have. Microsoft totally underestimated how quickly technology would advance during the late 90s and left a small hole for a year or two. This is the closest Linux ever got to offering a true competitive alternative to Microsoft. Unfortunately, it's been all downhill since then.

Anonymous said...

This blog just likes to paint the picture that Linux is going downhill (which is what FUD is anyway), but it's very wrong picture.

Maybe you think that for real, but really no time in history has Linux enjoyed this much adoption as now. You see it on settop boxes, phones, on desktop computers and laptops from many different OEMs. This all happened within the last two years. Microsoft wouldn't be hiring up people to learn how to compete with Linux if it was going downhill. So really Linux adoption is increasing and it's getting better, and that's also why the FUD against Linux is getting heavier and stronger. If Linux was going downhill for real this blog wouldn't exist and no one would care about Linux enough to spend so much time criticizing it.

blackbelt_jones said...

I came back here just to see if you would go the "Linux is Communism" route when I mentioned free enterprise... and you didn't! You kept the last shred of your dignity, and I want to acknowledge you for that.

Happy Valentine's Day, Bitches!

Anonymous said...

Again, few argue Linux's role in specialist purposes. The news on the OEM front regarding product withdrawals and return figures are not encouraging.

Linux desktop usage has expanded in absolute numbers, but not in relation to competing systems. That is, there are more Linux users today than a decade ago, but there are many more total computer users. Linux makes up the same ~1% now as then.

If you look closer at the position description, Linux is not named as a specific threat. "Open source" is much broader than Linux and includes entities such as FreeBSD, Sun, IBM, and Google. The term also includes platform agnostic software like Firefox, OpenOffice, and Apache.

Anonymous said...

You always seem to care about Linux, though you say you hate it. Maybe I don't know, but surely I ask my self why in the fuck you use Linux if you hate it?

Guess it is something stupid to use something you hate. I hate M$ shit, so I don't use it, and I don't spend time saying stupid shit about a stupid OS.

Anonymous said...

@February 14, 2009 1:34 PM

Since Linux users have the freedom to share copies and make copies and install on any number of computers, one side effect is there is no real to know what Linux's marketshare is. All you can measure is website impressions but that doesn't really say much. All I can say is what is going on with the OEMs, and we got dozens of them shipping Linux based OS as a desktop now, when almost nobody did 2 years ago.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of Failfox - Linux Hater, you've made noises in previous posts about Firefox being "good software" or something like that. You seem like a bright guy, so why are you sucking on Mozilla's COCK like that? It doesn't help your ad revenues any.

Anonymous said...

To the "leave Microsoft alone!" Wintard above:

If Microsoft wants stop being called a criminal organization, they should stop acting like one. Criminal organization is a perfectly rational and correct way to describe Microsoft considering their history with the law.

You all are like Mafia enforcers with your lame shake downs. I hope Microsoft pays you for your services. No reason should you spend so much time defending the company and it's criminal activities without a cut of the contraband.

Anonymous said...

So Linux is chaotic and they can't even agree on a package format because Microsoft is a criminal organization?

You guys are getting desperate. It's nice that Microsoft exists, or else, who would you blame for your failures?

Anonymous said...

I just found this funny old predictive article from FIVE YEARS AGO, from a fosstard.

Notice how he was nearly entirely wrong with virtually every one of his predictions?

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html

ROFL.

I offer some modern proof, that Joel's predictions were retarded.

The iPhone, has a web browser, and what does everyone talk about??? The App store;)

So in five years the linux situation has not changed one iota, while Windows has;) That is why the label fosstard fits so well, while wintard just sounds so... retarded.

Guess Balmer was right when he got up there on stage shouting Developers, developers, developers maniacally;)

Oh also, to the retard above me, au contrare, I am not asking you to leave windows alone, I am asking you to quit being a filthy liar.

Maybe when you guys quit lying you can be honest about the state of linux and make your crap desktop better.

Anonymous said...

All I can say is what is going on with the OEMs, and we got dozens of them shipping Linux based OS as a desktop now, when almost nobody did 2 years ago.

All of this has happened before... and it will happen again.

Desktop Linux fades as Dell pulls plug.

Dell has quietly stopped offering the Linux operating system as an option on its desktop and laptop PCs, blaming low demand.


Nice headline, isn't it. The year was 2001. Funny.

http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2001/08/02/181724/desktop-linux-fades-as-dell-pulls-plug.htm

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Freetard says: Microsoft was convicted of violating federal anti-trust laws in the USA. So calling them a criminal organization is accurate. It's only slander if it isn't true.

That ruling was overturned in appeal, dumbass.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous @ February 15, 2009 9:52 AM


It should be noted WHY the judge was overruled. The judge in question was found to be a fosstard.

Anonymous said...

By the way, I don't know if you guys have tried the V8 benchmark
with Opera/Linux and Opera/Wine.

Results are also... interesting, to say the least.

Tom said...


I just found this funny old predictive article from FIVE YEARS AGO, from a fosstard.

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html


Joel Spolsky a fosstard ? I don't think he ever wrote a single line of FOSS or OSS. Actually, if you read an article, you'll notice that he feels sorry about 'Microsoft losing backward compatibility religion'. Now, we all know that every real fosstard thinks that the backward compatibility is not important and that it, in fact, stands in the way of true innovation.

Also, there's a lot of truth in there. Somebody from MS admitted that the MS has deliberately made UAC annoying, to break badly written software.

However, Joel's rants about .Net having many languages is really crap. In fact, I think that this is one of the best and forward thinking features of the .Net platform.

Guess Balmer was right when he got up there on stage shouting Developers, developers, developers maniacally;)

Of course... he may be a lunatic, but he's not an idiot :) MS has a quite crappy marketing, but they always care about developers on their platforms.

Anonymous said...

Tom,

My contention is mainly that everything is moving back to client server, and abandoning the web services paradigm.

The example I use is Apple has effectively abandoned safari on the iPhone, in favor of client server techniques on the App store. iTunes is client server to its core.

Heck it is obvious that even Google is abandoning the web, as they intend to ignore the web on their Android OS, and their attempts to rework the web into a client server application with their Chrome browser. OS native widgets for all versions is the marker there, as well as their various toolkits built into the browser.

WebDAV (GDrive, LiveDrive, SharePoint) is all the rage, and web services is effectively dead on the .net platform.

My point is, AJAX is dead, and everyone is abandoning its rotting carcas. The notion that (ahhhem) thin clients (really??) is a threat to Windows is absurd. The entire linux desktop strategy was based on AJAX becoming a way to distribute software. AJAX to everyone baring the fosstard'o'sphere.

I delighted to be wrong about Joel On Software, I read his primer on Unicode after I wrote that, and it I think I understand better now.

But I still insist that he was wrong about the API, as the best API on Linux contiues to be the Wine windows api emulator.

The fosstard'o'sphere should abandon the Unix flavored linuxes and start working on projects like ReactOS, as it serves their purposes better.

But that would require them to admit they have been dishonest and mislead, They would have to admit they were wrong, and I just think that they have too much organic brain damage for that to happen.

Anonymous said...

Joel was (rightly) harsh on the Mozilla project in its 1998-2002 infancy. He may slag Microsoft, but he's no fosstard.

Anonymous said...

Actually Microsoft was convicted it was not overturned on appeal. Go look it up.

Anonymous said...

I love how you guys are calling everyone and everything a freetard these days. Anyone who doesn't agree with your party line 100% is a epic freetard. You are one set of paranoid fucks. :)

Tom said...

Anyone who doesn't agree with your party line 100% is a epic freetard. You are one set of paranoid fucks. :)

Heh, it takes one to know one.

I guess it just proves that you are bound to become what you hate the most. So, freetards became masters of FUD and SLUT, while wintards became paranoid.

Anonymous said...

That's okay because FUD doesn't work against Microsoft, FUD only works against underdogs and small and upcoming entities.

Anonymous said...

I propose the redefinition of FUD to "Facts, Unbias, Demonstrate". For example:

Any unbiased observer will keenly see demonstrated by almost two decades of unacceptance that it's a fact that 99% of the world does not want Linux as their desktop system.

Anonymous said...

Looks like Wintards are so low they will stoop to redefining words.

oiaohm said...

By the way google is not leaving the web platform they are changing it.

Gears by google is about allowing web design applications ie AJAX ones to keep on operating without web connection.

So yes thin client bit is over. We have moved to thick client. LTSP project of Linux is hybred thin and thick client. Just the thick client mode does not have to use a local hard drive.

Gears is basically the same. Software runs user end on user process and able to cope with a network breakage.

What does this really mean. The difference between using a Gears application and a native one. Gears updates simply just revisit the web-page done. Gears platform netural.

Basically worst nightmares for Microsoft.

AJAX was all about the start of Gears like system.

Learn something about thin clients true thing clients receive and display images. AJAX was never a thin client. Processing is done client side with AJAX. Lack of storage client side limited it function.

Linux Desktop plan had nothing to do with AJAX working. That will become clear enough soon enough.

Anonymous said...

Linux desktop..."plan"?

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHA
HAHAHHAA

You had me going there for a second! Good work!

oiaohm said...

There is a plan that is the problem.

Rebuild the complete graphical stack so it works. Ok not the simplest process. This also fixes up a huge secuirty hole of X11 running as root. Most of that will be done this year.

Introduce Real-time support into the Linux kernel so critical things like media playback don't stutter.

Expand usermode driver support so more drivers can be build without being effected by kernel mode alterations.

Improve Linux Power effectiveness so it don't eat threw laptop batteries. Also being worked on.

Those are all part of the plan. Notice something here they are all kernel related.

Audio still not on table yet.

Linux is the kernel so Ajax does have nothing to do with the planed alterations of the kernel.

If you are talking about X11 desktop plans that is a completely different plan set. X11 desktops are not dependent on Linux kernels to exist.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, realtime support sounds like a great idea. Hey what happened to the guy working on it? Oh, that's right, after doing all the hard work (like benchmarks, test suites, 'n stuff), he was ignored and bullied out of the project when some other insecure developer with more clout wanted to reinvent the whole thing in his own name.

Anonymous said...

Actually, Chrome and gears are not at all platform neutral. They bless Gnome over KDE with their choice of the GTK+ widget set.

Are you KDE users gonna take that sitting down?

Anonymous said...

oiaohn,

Thats basically why ajax has died and Google is in panic mode and writing their own client-server version of the web(Chrome is just Googles version of the old AOL client), and abandoning their web based way of doing things in favor of client server software.

Just you watch, as gears matures it will look more and more like tradional client server software and less like its failed AJAX origins.

Google realizes they have made a strategic mistake, and are in high gear switching to the future of the web which is all client server. For example, google is forced to rely on Adobe for their own client-server video needs. Because you know, flash is just a client-server thing that gets embedded into a webpage.

The way the Android failed to launch with any way to support client server applications is one case of googles strategic mismanagement.

Apple and Google messed up the iPhone launch that way as well. Right from the inital announcment of the iPhone it was immediately apparent that the iPhone failed to support third party client server applications, instead making the misake to support the dying web market.

I don't think there has been any development on linux for the past 10 years to support the emerging client server software space.


Its rather ironic if you think about it.

Anonymous said...

why don't you just stop spreading shit

stupid
hateful
igorant
tripe

oiaohm said...

Love these myths. The guy who developed the test cases for desktop kov.. something who yelled from the roof top that the scheduler had to be fixed was completely wrong.

He had not interest in real-time support. So yes he got drummed out because it became clear that his alterations were not fixing the problem to be correct causing worse problems. Desktop might run better but high end servers would bust badly. He had the idea that Desktop was a independent beast.

About a year after he left the great branch merge project started. When real-time features started merging into the Linux kernel. Performance of both server and desktop increased some of the server increases were insane like 400 percent increases on through put. That would translate into a 10 percent on the desktop. To be correct more of a percent change than any of the past experiments had done. No more trading between them. The true cause of the desktop performance problems was found.

So due to the importance of what was found a lead maintainer appointed for the job of embedded and real-time alterations chosen from the embedded sub breach. He has the power to veto any patch effecting performance.

Note lead maintainer in charge of embedded and real-time had nothing to do with the past failure.

Funny enough the issue that causes massive performance problems purely relates to locking inside the kernel. Same issue also makes XP and Vista stutter from time to time. You could alter the scheduler forever and never fix it. So time has proven the maintainers of the Linux kernel did the right thing kicking that guy out.

Client server side there have been lots of experiments on Linux relenting to it over the last 10 years. Most have died cross platform support is a requirement for any that live.

KDE 4.x alterations to cross platform is partly about opening up the client server development. Yes reason why the pain the interface is going threw the developers were prepared to do. Long time price of not doing it is complete failure.

Anonymous said...

A desktop is a completely separate beast from a router or 256 node cluster. The hilarious part is that the only kernel developer who seems to realize this is a doctor who developed part time as a hobby, you know, the total embodiment of the FOSS spirit.

Isn't it funny that only when some kernel cathedral crony pitches the identical idea does it gain mainstream kernel developer support? Not that I'm accusing Linux of having a monoculture or anything. Why, that'd be against the entire idea of open source!

Anonymous said...

I thought they kicked him out because of his race.

Anonymous said...

Lol as the guy above said stop spreading shit (read above for meaning)....

Any moron such as you can come up with stupid saying, but Morons such as you Linux hater will never get their sayings recognized in any mainstream environment, and neither will you ever be!

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous: Microsoft was convicted of violating federal anti-trust laws in the USA. So calling them a criminal organization is accurate. It's only slander if it isn't true.

Hey, dumbfuck. American antitrust laws are a CIVIL matter, not CRIMINAL. The federal government sued Microsoft, and won civil penalties. So, calling Microsoft "criminals" or "convicted monopolists" is fucking MORONIC. Not surprisingly, you idiots want to sell that version of reality, but it's CRAP. Educate yourselves.

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous: Actually Microsoft was convicted it was not overturned on appeal. Go look it up.

See above, dipshit. Microsoft wasn't CONVICTED of anything. They were found liable in a CIVIL case. It isn't a technical distinction. It's reality. Can't you stupid fucks ever get anything right? Freetards are fucking retards!

oiaohm said...

Idea that embedded desktop and server is split has been proven to be wrong.

Yes to the shock horror of a lot of developers. For many years embedded Linux kernel was maintained in a complete split off branch from the main Linux kernel. So yes the stupidity of splitting caused years of bad performance. But looking back at history is perfect vision. Back then they were not to know they had just stuffed everyone up massively. Yet performance not that bad that Linux could not run rings around windows in server performance.

Same issues effect Windows OS cores today. Real-time section of the Windows OS needs to be brought back to live properly so its performance improves.

Real-time was a class all of its own. So when alterations to improve real-time issues changed desktop and server quite massively. Lot of questions were asked.

Turns out the differences between 3 old classifications is almost nothing. Cpu time wasted is Cpu time wasted. Real-time OS are purely focused on using 100 percent of CPU time to do productive tasks. Does not matter if its a Server with 256 cores or a embedded running real-time tasks with 1 core.

Desktop has to have video support and audio sync support with video and priority alteration for active application. That is about the be all and end all for Desktop uniqueness vs server. Compared to a real-time kernel priority alteration for active application is also required. So only the audio sync and video support are different.

So the performance core formulas are basically exactly the same. Server and real-time needs to assign biases to what task has importance in basically the same way as desktop.

256 core system ok that is small for a Linux system. If you have a issue at 2 cores ie normal desktops these days. It will be made worse when you give the system 256 cores. So sorry no there is no difference here. Running it on a supper computer with 4000 cores is like running it under a magnifying glass mirror errors start showing out badly. Again invisible because because Linux kernel was still out performing the best of breed Unix kernels. So 400 % boost there was like where in heck did that come from. Formulas that worked out how much could extract from a multi core system were also wrong.

That is the results of what has been found. Means the complete logic of having independent server and desktop versions is basically stupid. Since server only magnifies the same errors having negative effects on desktop.

At the time maintainers kick the one guy out all they were sure of is that progress was not being made. He would do a alteration they would run it a 4 and 8 core and the performance gains would basically be random. Yet on a single core and dual core he had advantages. Tweaking the scheduler was hiding some of the locking issues that were appearing way worse when they were not being masked by the alteration. It also meant minor lock altering patches were causing massive performance regressions without notice. Without anyone understanding exactly why. The current maintainers now understand what the problem is. Knowing the problem is enabling them to do the alterations to fix it. The one that left was being asked to do more research because the experienced maintainers were very suspect that there was something else effecting the results.

MS is not even that stupid to really have two versions 1 for server and 1 for desktop. Windows Server and Windows Desktops are basically the same things. Desktop only has a bias for active application and stack of DRM stuff shoved on.

Yet marketing them as complete different allows MS to change two different prices.

Anonymous said...

Right. Con Kolivas and his legion of fans were completely wrong about his patchset enhancing the desktop because it's totally the same as serving webpages. I guess the "latency junkies" as the developers so affectionately refer to them are also completely wrong when complaining about the big kernel lock and regressions brought about by removal of preemptive code. Yep, all in their heads.

All your post really said is that Kolivas thoroughly demonstrated that kernel scheduling sucked and instead of thanking him for the service and methodical work, they booted him out of embarrassment. All bugs are shallow! Go open source!

P.S. Microsoft is evil because they charge more for their server and evil paranoid conspiracies blah blah blah wall of text.

Anonymous said...

What I would like to see is if Canonical, RedHat, Novell join forces and create Fedora/Ubuntu/Opensuse version based on BSD. I think pushing gnome/gtk on a stable base of BSD, and they all have a better chance of pushing for a real alternative to windows. BSD has a better folder structure, and makes for better interoperability as it keeps program folders out of system folders and has standardized package manager. The only thing that hurts BSD right now is lack of Gnome based distros. KDE should also just die, it's too much similar to windows and too unstable.

Anonymous said...

But there's already a nice BSD-like distribution which works: OS X.

Anonymous said...

And everything worthwhile has been ported to windows....

Anonymous said...

True Dat. But I think it would be less of a mess than Linux is now, which has too many distros and no mandated standardized folder structure/package manager.

Plus with BSD license you have better rights as a developer, as far as modifying the code and protecting your work.

OSX is truly a beautiful OS and what "could" happen if Linux reinvented the way they do things.
But alas that's the Linux way is, a wondering rose with no clearcut road or path of development. 10rs from now, LinuxOS will have better hardware support, but we'll still have a lot of different window managers, a lot of package managers, a lot of programs all doing the same thing but none astounding, prettier wallpaper and icons. that's it, quality apps be damned. :(

Anonymous said...

Various Wintards above:
Anti-trust law is a federal criminal law. See "Sherman anti-trust act".

Any other misconceptions you want me to correct?

Anonymous said...

Microsoft for YEARS has an whole division of 100+ lawyers who's only job is to develop substantial evidence against Linux in court. If Linux were to ever be a serious thread to Microsoft, Microsoft will spam so many lawsuits worldwide that every single freetard will be shitting their pants. Just give up now you smelly freetards, because it will hurt a lot more later.

Anonymous said...

You, sir, win the FUD crown. Ten internets for you.

Could you imagine trying hundreds of overweight basement dwellers jointly? You'd need a jury with no olfactory sense whatsoever.

oiaohm said...

"Right. Con Kolivas and his legion of fans were completely wrong about his patchset enhancing the desktop because it's totally the same as serving webpages. I guess the "latency junkies" as the developers so affectionately refer to them are also completely wrong when complaining about the big kernel lock and regressions brought about by removal of preemptive code. Yep, all in their heads.

All your post really said is that Kolivas thoroughly demonstrated that kernel scheduling sucked and instead of thanking him for the service and methodical work, they booted him out of embarrassment. All bugs are shallow! Go open source!"

Nice myth not all bugs are shallow that was Kolivas problem. He had hit one that went to the complete core of the Linux kernel then did not see it.

Yes Kolivas demonstrated that scheduling sux then got a fixation that scheduling could fix it all. If he never got that fixation he would be a hero. He blew is stack when the maintainer of the scheduler took his patches and cut out all the strange tweaks. The scheduler maintainers version now runs rings around Kolivas version. Fix the locks made Kolivas tweaks pointless. Yes his tweaks to the scheduler base design he created were fixing the wrong thing. Linux kernel had one master lock for everything. The scheduler maintainer has been breaking that lock into smaller locks and removing them were able. Results of that Kolivas tweaks cause negatives in performances because the problems most of the tweaks were covering are fixed.

Fixing need for Kolivas tweaks had other effects.

Biggest latency junkies are real-time developers. Preemptive code is from the real-time tree always has been. Not a Kolivas invention. Real-time tree has never been stupid and having fixation on how to fix it.

Sorry to say the old preemptive code is junk. Heres a lock we will override it and hope it don't bring the house down because something was half way threw doing stuff code. Now while there was one single lock in the kernel the preemptive code worked stably. Now there are multi-able it now fails to provide same boost. Real-time developers yes were annoyed that there preemptive patches were not working as good but also were prepared to admit they were nothing more than hacks. Since then correct solution as been under development.

New code is about doing away complete with that problem. Instead of being break lock like preemptive. Remove the lock and replace them with ques. So something that needs to execute quickly is put next to get access to the device. Nice bit while waiting it don't need to use cpu time checking.

Big problem with the locks that real-time guys hated big time is that the process will be chewing up cpu time waiting for locks. So basically lock tie up cpu time doing nothing productive. Turns out that is the biggest single cause of latency.

Altering the scheduling is a few percent here or there. Fix locks so cpu becomes almost 100 percent used can have massive effects. The complete idea that so much time had to go on syncing goes out window.

Please beware right combination of calls into locks could eat up over 70 percent of cpu time on a single core processor waiting on locks. Some of that is caused by the scheduler allocating time to threads that can do nothing. So yes the one thing at times that can double performance even on a single core processor. Old prement code cause this on single core processes. So yes the patch you desktop users though was doing you good has also been kicking you where it hurts from time to time.

Scheduler cannot allocate time it don't have due to Locks eating it. That is the problem we had vampires of locks eating the live blood(cpu time). So yes the problem is exactly the same between all users of Linux. Turns out multi-core machines the vampires drink more. Guess what webservers are worse effected than the desktop. Issue here no one realized at the time of Kolivas. Real-time alterations latter than Kolivas exposed the real problem.

All performance maths for servers included a percentage of cpu time lost of syncing. Guess what the percentage lost for syncing should be close to Zero not like 15 percent per core.

That break through that provide servers were stuffed up completely changed things. Stuffed up in the exact same way as desktop and real-time.

Time has passed Kolivas got it right at first then got it badly wrong. He was far to stubborn in the idea that desktop sever and realtime are different that it blinded him to seeing that there was a link were the major problem was.

Only reason why Kolivas better scheduler base design was not better for servers was locks as well. So yes expect to see the scheduler maintainers version of Kolivas scheduler on servers.

Basically Kolivas was so close to a major break threw then turned left instead of right.

Anonymous said...

You know what, I find your explanation acceptable, and you did it without introducing crackpot Microsoft takeover conspiracies. Nicely done; that's twice in a row.

Still, I must mention the branding the developers bandy about. Other than Torvalds, you never really publicly hear who writes what. Andrew Morton does something. What, I have no clue. Alax Cox used to. Forget what that was.

However, it seems like the official name for the thing is "Ingo Molnar's Completely Fair Scheduler". You can barely find a mention of the CFS without a mention of Ingo Molnar. I had forgotten Kolivas' name and had substantial difficulty finding it. With occasional mention of Robert Love, the entire Internet told me that Molnar invented Linux low latency, or that he "built upon earlier work".

And "completely fair"? The name itself sounds like a petty jab. I find the developers' attitudes more off putting than anything, and I know I'm not alone. It'd be a different issue entirely if they were uniquely talented, but it's not like operating systems are difficult to come by. Even Linus admits kernel development is unnecessarily hostile and labyrinthine.

Anonymous said...

Linux has a completely fair scheduler because it's a Marxist-communist operating system. Windows uses the superior and capitalistic completely unfair scheduler, where the richer processes rule over the weaker less fortunate processes.

Anonymous said...

This sounds like a book I read once. I think it was called Lord of the Ring Zero.

oiaohm said...

Ingo Molnar is the Scheduler maintainer.

Ingo Molnar was the one who started breaking down locks and causes the chain reaction into the real-time branch that lead to the locking issue being found. Boy did that set off a mailing list explosion.

Sorry for the big link http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=c31f2e8a42c41efa46397732656ddf48cc77593e

That is the credits for "Ingo Molnar's Completely Fair Scheduler" notice something Con Kolivas has first place after Ingo Molnar. Both Con Kolivas and Ingo Molnar were creating things called Fair Scheduler's. So Con Kolivas was Con Kolivas Fair Scheduler it had bias in places. His pig headiness blocked him from getting top billing. This is the problem if you have second level billing on a show sign you are basically invisible.

Open Source takes credits really seriously. Failure for maintainer to submit credits correctly results in number 1 lost of maintainer-ship 2 sued. So you want to know who created what go to the credits.

Myths are all over the darn place. I personally hate them. Even Ingo Molnar gets annoy by people giving him full credit for CFS and low latency. Particularly when he is not the
maintainer for low latency.

In role of importance Ingo Molnar is up there. Sad part was Ingo Molnar told Con Kolivas many times to check if locking was causing the problems. Even in developers we have the pig headed ones. Annoyingly they are also the ones that make a public pest of themselves.

CFS can operate set bias. Complete Fair means that applications cannot hog down on more than they were allocated blocking out ones that were allocated more.

Ingo Molnar current job is manage completely the lock break down and removal that the real-time/embeded maintainer to manage the team that turns into better systems.

Hostility between developers happens just like every other case were people think they are right.

Its also the problem we have people in the open source world name things without thinking what they will be though of in time. Something written perfectly harmless at the time years latter is taken out of context.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure everything is proper deep in the mailing lists and source files, but I was surprised how many searches I had to run to find out the dude's name. It's not like this was ten years ago or something. Robert Love came up about 50% of the time, and he hasn't done anything at all in like six years.

Anonymous said...

Its secound billing there are over 20 000 people with secound billing on features in the Linux kernel in the last 3 years.

Basically if I asked people to name them they would not have a clue. Google searches don't even find them. Linux kernel is a huge population its like a city it is own right.

Hugh Isaacs II the Maître d' said...

Yea, I can't take you serious when you post.

You're a Linux hater but pay far more attention to it than Linux lovers do and usually don't pose a valid point in your arguments.



But I wanted to bring up two topics for you, What do you have to say about the Android OS, WebOS and even the fact that your very blog runs on Linux?

Or even that a lot of work from the open source community was included within Mac OS X.

I dunno I love Linux but I won't argue in it's favor since I'm not fond of how things are run within the community, but I must say your blog is just to attract pointless attention and nothing else (Linux already has no market share why make a blog about how bad it is? The community will just address your problems).

Anonymous said...

How will the community address the problem of the community being the problem?

Anonymous said...

What do you have to say about [...] the fact that your very blog runs on Linux?

You probably weren't a reader back in this blog's heyday, but LH focuses on Linux's inadequacies as a desktop OS, not as a server OS.

Or even that a lot of work from the open source community was included within Mac OS X.

OS X's kernel is based off Mach (which is BSD, not Linux), and pretty much everything above that level was developed by Apple.

I dunno I love Linux but I won't argue in it's favor since I'm not fond of how things are run within the community

I think that's the main premise behind this blog. If you go back and read some of the older articles (last spring and summer), LH tends to rip into topics like the constant in-fighting between different groups that are working toward the same goal, and the snubbing of NVIDIA's working Linux video drivers because they're not completely open.

If the Linux community could set aside their petty differences and stop developing multiple projects that each accomplish part of a given task, development would be streamlined, desktop configurations would be more predictable, and all the wasted redundant effort could be put into one really good project instead of 50 mediocre ones.

Anonymous said...

But, without 50 mediocre projects for menial tasks, you wouldn't have the FREEDOM and CHOICE.

Anonymous said...

For example, its been a couple of days since KDawson has posted on Slashdot, but virtually everything he posts is along the lines of the SLUT strategy.

And you were DAMN right.

See, fresh SLUT, this time on Windows 7.

http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/16/2259257

Will lintards ever realize that spreading misinformation about Windows won't make their pathethic chaotic inoperating system suck less and be actually used by people? Guess not.

Anonymous said...

From what I can tell, Slashdot is complaining about their CS4 warez DLL swap workaround not functioning in Windows 7 and somehow blaming DRM and the record labels for it.

Anonymous said...

Fuck Windows and it's preinstalled DRM spyware shit.

blackbelt_jones said...

And you were DAMN right.

See, fresh SLUT, this time on Windows 7.

http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/16/2259257

Will lintards ever realize that spreading misinformation about Windows won't make their pathethic chaotic inoperating system suck less and be actually used by people? Guess not.


And remember, folks, SLUT stands for: Slander, Liable, Underestimate, and Trash :)

So help me god, you can't make stuff like this up!

Anonymous said...

Fuck Windows and it's preinstalled DRM spyware shit.

Yep. DRM was so bad in Vista that we're all using Linux now. We can't even browse da web comfortably, but hey, we're free.

blackbelt_jones said...

Yep. DRM was so bad in Vista that we're all using Linux now. We can't even browse da web comfortably, but hey, we're free.

I've never used Windows 7, so I have no opinion on it, but if you can't surf the web "comfortably" with Linux, the problem is probably located, as they say, between the keyboard and the chair... or, to narrow it down a little further, between your left ear and your right ear.

Anonymous said...

It'sYourFault(TM)

Anonymous said...

Because flash crashing is the user's fault.

Anonymous said...

And horrible screen fonts is user's fault too.

Anonymous said...

Having no bachelor in faggotry to operate the system is clearly the user's fault.

blackbelt_jones said...

It's not your fault, it's your choice. I'm pretty sure that unless your machine is somehow broken, or you have the IQ of a tree, you can learn how to run flash on Linux if you want to. If you don't want the hassles that come with a less popular OS, I can't fault you for that, and it's only going to come up in conversation if you insist on publically whining about it like a weepy little bitch.

I know that some Linux users bitch endlessly about Windows, and yeah, that's annoying, and I try to call them on it. Just like I do with annoying little windows crybabies like you.

Anonymous said...

No, on the particular slashdot article we are discussing atm, there are no linux users talking about windows, because the particular operating system they are discussing only exists in their imagination.

Either that, or they are being dishonest.

For what its worth, zdnet.com, computerworld.com and theregister.co.uk make this shit up as well. So we are not talking about a few linux users. We are talking about an entire movement engaged in SLUT propaganda. Not just a few individuals as you claim.

Or just "some guy on the internet" that you smeared me with earlier on this very thread.

Anonymous said...

Oh, sure it is your choice. That doesn't take away the original point: you might be free, but you can't even browse the web.

Maybe that is why the world hasn't switched to Linux as the lintards predicted so proudly and loudly when Vista arrived. They are starting to do the same now with Windows 7. They're tireless... and completely delusional.

Anonymous said...

you can learn how to run flash on Linux if you want to

Yeah right dude, and after that one can learn how to write mode lines to change his screen resolution, then learn how to get your soundcard working... and after a year of learning, one can maybe even use Linux to actually do some work.

Anonymous said...

..Or learn how to use and hack wine, so you can use the apps you would have used natively under Vista/XP, but at slower speed under linuxOS. Then you realize, "why the hell am I torturing myself like this?!!" then you put Vista/XP back on and go your merry way again. Finally you can surf the flash video/porn sites again without video screen tear or flash crashing, and codec hell, or ugly ass fonts or slow DNS resolution.
O and to all you guys saying DRM crap, that stuff exists purely for material that has DRM on it. It does not affect the way you watch dvd, rip dvd, or convert dvd/music to any format you want. You can do anythign with anything on XP/Vista and convert it to anything/everything and there is no secret DRM module stopping you.

Anonymous said...

The above commenter is obviously not familiar with Windows 7. Modifying a DLL can lock you out of your account - "You can do anythign with anything on XP/Vista and convert it to anything/everything and there is no secret DRM module stopping you". Look under the hood.

Anonymous said...

Dear Troll,

Learn to spell correctly if you want to be taken seriously.

Love,

Someone who won't be coming back.

Anonymous said...

Dear Retard,

Everything you read on slashdot must be true. The intarwebz will be used to distribute all the software, with firefox as the platform. So you don't need client applications at all, web apps with AJAX on standards compliant web browsers are good enough. So what are you whining about anyhow?

Signed
If everything fosstards said was true

Anonymous said...

I never said anything about windows 7, which BTW is still BETA and not finalized, so we can't judge what isn't finalized yet.

Besides, if you're going thru the trouble of hacking a DLL file so you can run a warez version of PS, there is a thinstalled or portable apps version of it, which is much easier. BTW, what's wrong with using LIMP, I mean GIMP?

"The above commenter is obviously not familiar with Windows 7." "

Anonymous said...

Oh boy this site is funny - it's like ignorant racial bigotry of the OS world. Anyway, to underscore the ignorance point, the dumb bastard is hosting his blog on a Linux server:

$ nmap -A www.blogger.com

Starting Nmap 4.62 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2009-02-18 10:27 EST

...

Interesting ports on yx-in-f191.google.com (74.125.45.191):
Not shown: 1712 filtered ports
PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION
80/tcp open http Google httpd 1.3 (GFE)
113/tcp closed auth
443/tcp open ssl/http Google httpd 1.3 (GFE)
Service Info: OS: Linux

Anonymous said...

I love free software's version of choice; it's just like 1984's freedom is slavery. I hear Stallman is a fan of 1984. I wonder where he got the idea...

Anonymous said...

Oh look, someone who knows what nmap is. What a 1337 h4x0r. Too bad his reading comprehension sucks, like all freetards.

Anonymous said...

I think a medal should be awarded to the next lintard discovering that the blog is hosted on Linux. Or something.

Anonymous said...

the dumb bastard is hosting his blog on a Linux server

When will freetards learn that this blog is about Linux as a DESKTOP OS?

Wait. Freetards? LEARN? That's a good one.

I love free software's version of choice; it's just like 1984's freedom is slavery.

Finally! Someone else sees that Stallman only approves of your freedom if it's HIS vision of 'freedom'. Why else would he shun any license he didn't have a hand in writing?

If freetards really want us to be FREE, they wouldn't argue with our CHOICE to run Windows/OSX/BSD/InsertOsHere

Anonymous said...

Take the issue at hand: if you don't want to hose your system with a warezed version of CS4, you have the choice of running GIMP, Paint.NET, Photolightning, and more. In just that short list, we've included everything Linux has (GIMP) plus two more! CHOICE!

Anonymous said...

I don't know guys, even as a server OS, linux is really only any good for LAMP applications.

If you want a webDAV server, you are using Windows. If you want an Active Directory server, you use Windows, if you want a corporate e-mail server you are using windows.

In fact, Windows prefered for virtually every type of server, but for large redundant LAMP farms. Jesus f'ing Christ, even SAP is dumping linux solutions, and IBMs DB2 in favor of MS SQL Server.

So of the part of the internet that is now in decline... The old fading thin-client web app + AJAX crap... blog'o'sphere Linux wins... but just barely.

I'll give you that one...

Hey did you guys see the latest netcraft web statistics??? Worthless narcissist blogs are now in decline from inuse expiration, causing an overall decline in the number of dead and dying primadona blogs, thus websites in general.

Also, techcrunch is covering the death of web 2.0, several other journalist blogs have picked it up as well.

So what does linux do well besides lots of clones of simple LAMP servers?

Finally, I would argue that if you wanted to self host (a bad idea) a blog, getting a WIMP stack would be a better option... Because you will have it up in a couple of hours and basically be working, while the same is not true of LAMP;)

So other than LAMP, does linux have any other tricks?

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I was all psyched to set up Linux WebDAV. I mean, that's the kind of thing Linux was born for, right? Serving files? Boy, was that a disappointment, and I thought Samba and NFS were a pain in the ass. And Active Directory binding STILL doesn't work out of the box on any distribution I've tried. I always need to dick around with krb5.conf or something, and the modifications are so obscure I need to look up the nature of the changes every time I need Linux to bind. And it's not like Linux's version of AD actually supports anything it does.

Anonymous said...

Actually Linux is very useful to clone Windows to new drives. I just used clonezilla to migrate Vista to an external USB hard drive image, then back down to the new drive. Worked a treat!

blackbelt_jones said...

Well, this discussion is pretty much over my head now. I'll come back later. Play nice, kids.

Just kidding. Play nasty.

Anonymous said...

Oh yes, because learning to use Flash makes unstable code stable. If you're honestly going to use this as your argument then you have to rescind any points about instability in Windows because, according to you, after acquiring a predetermined amount of knowledge all bugs will cease to exist.

Anonymous said...

I am browsing the web right now on Linux. Shit no wonder you guys hate Linux, you are so fucking dumb. This blog would be a ghost town if warning labels were removed from merchandise.

Anonymous said...

It'sYourFault(TM)

Anonymous said...

I a m s o g l a d t h e f o n t s in l i n u x l o o k f i n e t o y o u, i t l o o k s w r o n g u n d e r w i n d o w s, l i k e t h e w o r d s a r e t o o t i g h t t o g e t h e r


"I am browsing the web right now on Linux."

Anonymous said...

Linux sucks because you hate the fonts? That has to be the most retarded thing I have heard. But if you masturbate over Arial it's extremely trivial to have it all the rest of the MS core fonts on Linux.

Moo said...

Linux sucks. Windows sucks. At least I didn't pay for Linux.

Anonymous said...

All operating systems suck, but at least Windows is useful.

Fuck, no, I won't switch to Linux to use OpenOffice and Firefox. I can do that on Windows, with much better performance, and yes, out of the box fonts which doesn't monkey balls.

PaoloM said...

Look at me, look at me, I am a stupid Wintard talks shit about Linux fonts. I never went to college, and all I have is a middle school level understanding of mathematics. In my free time, I like to pretend to understand software development. But hey, I was slick enough to fool some retards at Microsoft to hire me to develop Windows. You can partly blame the epic fail of Windows Vista on me. Currently I spend my time fucking up Windows Search. Sometimes, when I am not fucking up Windows, I like to troll Linux users. I am the definition of a shill.

Anonymous said...

Look at me, look at me, I am a stupid Wintard talks shit about Linux fonts. I never went to college, and all I have is a middle school level understanding of mathematics. In my free time, I like to pretend to understand software development. But hey, I was slick enough to fool some retards at Microsoft to hire me to develop Windows. You can partly blame the epic fail of Windows Vista on me. Currently I spend my time fucking up Windows Search. Sometimes, when I am not fucking up Windows, I like to troll Linux users. I am the definition of a shill.

Dude, you've convinced me. I'm switching to Linux!

PaoloM said...

And I am so bad at being a Microsoft shill, I cause people to convert to Linux.

AndyC said...

Hi guys. My name is AndyC. I am the biggest Wintard on the planet. I work for the British K-12 school system, as an IT monkey. Yes, I am a IT monkey for a fucking school. But this doesn't stop me from thinking I know what the fuck I am talking about. When I am not talking shit about Linux (note: I have never used the operating system) I like to be a major asshole, even to other Wintards. I wish I could be ass cool and smart as GED recipient PaoloM, but because of my complete lack of people skills and intelligence, I will forever be in the dregs of society.

blackbelt_jones said...

To my fellow Lusers:

for heaven's sake, do we really want to be reduced to calling people idiotoc names like "Wintard"? If you want to keep your diginity, the way to play the game is to make the haters act as vile as possible while being reasonable yourself. It's not hard because, being haters, they're already pretty vile. They're trying to provoke you, so the best way to provoke them is to refuse to be provoked.

Anonymous said...

Wintard has a nice ring to it though.

Anonymous said...

Well if it's so trivial, how come in the last 5-10yrs there has been NO IMPROVEMENT from any of the distro makers in making browser/OS fonts look the same or similar to the fonts on Windows/MacOSX? All LinuxOS distros to date, the default setting for surfing the web is like putting UGLY glasses on. There is a BIG difference when you compare side by side Mac vs Windows vs Linux, the Linux (stock browser settings) has UGLY MODE ON by default.

Wht can't distro makers just do somethign as simple as this:

Set Serif in firefox/weasel/whatever to Nimbus Roman

Set Sans to Nimbus Sans

At least that way first timers won't say how fugly it is when you browse using LinuxOS. That's an immediate turn off for most people.

And yes, fonts are more important than you think. Certain websites, the font renderings are so badly mishandled that it makes you cry.

"Linux sucks because you hate the fonts? That has to be the most retarded thing I have heard. But if you masturbate over Arial it's extremely trivial to have it all the rest of the MS core fonts on Linux."

Anonymous said...

Flash crashes on Linux? Oh yeah, well I'm on the internet! Ha, proved you wrong!

Web-sites look like ass on Linux due to font rendering issues? Well seeing as I'm on the internet this obviously isn't the case.

Netflix's Instant Viewing doesn't work with Linux? Well I'm on the internet posting comments in the Linux Hater's Blog so that proves that him wrong!

Firefox freezes and crashes on Linux? Well I searched Google! I've proved him wrong yet again!

Try again.

Anonymous said...

Linux sucks because you hate the fonts?

No, not just due to bad fonts. But it is one of the rough areas of the GUI that turn new users off. Apple and Microsoft put a lot of polish on the user experience. Most Linux projects slap something together and call it a day.

Anonymous said...

Got to laugh at someone choose who house a blog called "Linux Haters' Blog" on Blogger which runs on Linux and then spread the word via Digg which also runs on Linux.

If you hate Linux some much, stop using it you idiot!

Anonymous said...

The worst thing, it's glaringly obvious how ugly the default browser/app fonts are in LinuxOS, yet people brush it off as if there is no problem.

The sad part, it's been like this the past 5-10 yrs and after many people have complained, but still nothing has been done.

Just google "linux ugly fonts" and you get a lot of hits.

Again, this "bashing" is just a kick in the ass rude awakening as many of us actually want to see Linux actually become better. Unfortunately it's looking more likely that Linux will follow UNIX and become obscure for mainstream.

Anonymous said...

Will follow? Been there for years. Only the free community labor keeps the corporate interest.

Anonymous said...

Blog should be renamed as Linux "Desktop" Hater's Blog cause the fact is every Internet user in the word heavily rely on the services *nix operating systems provide.

It might be ugly on the Desktop but it surely kick ass in the Server world!

Anonymous said...

The worst thing, it's glaringly obvious how ugly the default browser/app fonts are in LinuxOS, yet people brush it off as if there is no problem.

When I first moved to Ubuntu one thing I found fucking awesome was the fonts and they way it rendered it compared to Windows XP. Windows XP renders them all aliased and shit by default.

So yeah I heard you like 10 times already, but I don't have to agree with you. It's not some widely accepted thing. Anytime someone posts "Linux fonts suck" you see someone else in the same thread disagreeing with him.

If you want to shit on Linux at least come up with stuff other then subjective BS.

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous @ February 18, 2009 5:11 PM

And once again, it fills a roll for a ISP who needs racks filled with dozens if not hundreds of servers with a simple LAMP stack on them. Like Blogger, Google, Digg, or Slashdot. There is nothing preventing Windows in the same role... Or OS X server for that matter. In fact, IIS hosts what about 35% of all domains, to Apaches 60%, and consider the vast majority of all those are trash...

Outside of that role... Not so much...

I mean, even Bind is in decline ever since that cache corrupting problem. BIND of all things.

I don't think (seriously doubt) there are any ISPs routing with linux anymore. So Cisco IOS or somesuch is the main backbone of the internet now days.

So yeah... as a simple web server, when you need lots and lots of servers hosting redundant blogs, or the aimless chatter of twitter and Facebook (oops) I mean dig users....

But outside that roll, *nix everything is in decline.

Thats what all the cloud initiatives are about. The service providers wont actually develop their own server farms anymore. They will just go to Google, Microsoft or Amazon(?) and have them host their application.

So even the experience gained from being a hack, and playing with linux isn't worth anything...

If you have a strong ABM streak, get an Apple or Amiga or something, but let linux die.

Anonymous said...

Just found your blog. HAHAHA your stinky anti-linux garbage is running on linux. What a dipstick.

Anonymous said...

@February 18, 2009 8:10 PM

Have you ever noticed how much Stallman looks like Andrea Dworkin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman

http://search.live.com/images/results.aspx?q=andrea+dworkin&form=QBIR#

Anonymous said...

I think Stallman was the ethereal "violator" she mentioned so often. There was no physical evidence because he rapes with free software, not fuck stick.

Anonymous said...

@February 18, 2009 8:04 PM
A few years ago I worked at the shittiest, shadiest ISP you ever saw, built by a freetard. Actually, he was even worse than a freetard. Linux was the second system because management forced him to migrate all the OS/2 stuff he insisted using even though it was clear to the universe that OS/2 died in 1995 or something. Naturally, he picked something utterly unmaintainable: chrooted Slackware with custom compiled everything. But our billing system was still built on OS/2. I can't remember what it was called, though. It basically worked like Microsoft Access. It was unstable and impossible to extend.

Anyway, even this place with no logic avoided Linux for core routing. We had a Riverstone for that, and some small Ciscos for lighter duty stuff. The freetard Linux boxes with rats' nets of modems were replaced by USR/3Com rack equipment, which could handle like 100x the clients.

Anonymous said...

Wikipedia is the 7th most visited website in the world and it runs on 400 web servers and 100% free software.

blackbelt_jones said...

Well if it's so trivial, how come in the last 5-10yrs there has been NO IMPROVEMENT from any of the distro makers in making browser/OS fonts look the same or similar to the fonts on Windows/MacOSX? All LinuxOS distros to date, the default setting for surfing the web is like putting UGLY glasses on. There is a BIG difference when you compare side by side Mac vs Windows vs Linux, the Linux (stock browser settings) has UGLY MODE ON by default.

We do that just to annoy you. His Infernal Majesty, the Emperor Stallman will be pleased to know that our fiendish plan is working. We have calculated that if we darken the color of the applets a little more, you will be driven to take your own life.

Anonymous said...

Websites, even behemoths like Wikipedia, are old news. It's 1991 technology. Who doesn't get this right? Wikipedia in particular offers a vanilla interface; it's a real "Web 1.5" experience.

Not saying Linux fails at this, but if "websites" is all you got, there's not much of a future. The simple LAMP stack, as several above explain, is about Linux's only trump card, and it's getting long in the tooth. Apache development has been slow for years, and it's not even particularly fast compared to fresher, nimbler projects. MySQL makes less and less sense as time drags on. PHP pretty much exists to complement the rest of the LAMP framework; outside of that its use is likewise senseless.

Anonymous said...

Well 2009 is the year of the Linux desktop. :)

Anonymous said...

i make more money with Linux than with Windows, so i dont care whats best, unless wahts best for me and for my family.

it's like, or I make services and share a percentage with Microsoft company, or I do services and share nothing take the all cake with me

Anonymous said...

i make more money with Linux than with Windows, so i dont care whats best, unless wahts best for me and for my family.

If you don't start caring what's best for your customers, you won't be making any money in not-so-far future.

Michie said...

Well friend, maybe you were unaware of this, but Blogger is hosted on a Linux server, along with all of Google's servers, along with 80-90% of internet servers in the business world. So, although you might be bashing and hating Linux operating systems, they have their place in the world. Every operating system has its place in the world, just like every body part has its place in the body. Linux is the torso, and Windows is the anus. I hope you understand this analogy, but if you aren't born again, you won't, because it is similar to an analogy from the Bible.

Anonymous said...

And you, sir, have just won a medal!

Anonymous said...

Wait, Blogger runs on Linux?! Call CNN! This is breaking news!

Anonymous said...

My favorite is this guy goes the extra mile to link his freetardism to the Bible. But it's not a religion, right?

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