We hate Linux. And you should too.
I dunno why this caught my eye, but it did.
I don't know, I think we should let him experience the quagmire that is the Linux desktop himself. He can enjoy the same sense of isolation we all did when we slowly realized our experiences did not match the agitprop coming out of /. and digg.
For the lazy, here's his question.If I move over to Linux (not really sure which one yet), I will need a lot of support with regards to audio and video editing. I work with people in real estate video and was just wondering what people's thoughts (or experiences) were when it came to video and audio editing applications for linux? Also, how do they compare with Windows?The answer? Linux can barely PLAY video properly, never mind edit it. Even Windows Movie Maker is light-years ahead of Linux video editing. Well, there's is one program that I know of (Cinerella) that tries to be a non-linear editor, but it's bloody awful. (Cinerella is to Premiere what MS Paint is to Photoshop CS4.)Audacity is a great multi-platform, open-source audio editor. (Somehow they figured out how to not screw it up.) Note I said "multi-platform"; I use it on Windows all the time. You might as well use it on an OS that can do everything else you want, right?If he really wants to get away from Windows while still being able to do multimedia, he should get a Mac. (Or at least a Hackintosh.) They've always been the platform of choice for professional multimedia productions. (I had a job interview at a local news station once; all their graphic design was done on Mac Pros.)Switching to Linux to do multimedia is like racing the Daytona 500 in a 24 Hours of LeMons car. Sure it's cheaper than the real thing, but it won't get the job done.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_Hours_of_LeMons
It's a blog at Novell?De Icaza - are you not LH?Conspiracy, I tell you!
Quite likely. I think Oiaohm realized this long ago, and has been spamming De lcaza's blog since then.
Please, for the love of humanity ... somebody login to that board and post a link to this blog. Spare this poor soul.
What is wrong with a little exploration?give this guy a break, if he likes it, he'll stick with it, if not, he'll dump it, simple as that! I'm not a fan of Windows, but I don't go searching linux forums for a defector!
Heresy!..The best antidote for Linux usage is*drum roll*Linux usage.Let him try. If he'll succeed, more power to him.If he fails, he'll stop using Linux.If he'll insist on using Linux although it doesn't cater to his needs: well, he'll be able to join the bitter hordes here at LHB..
I posted a comment with a link to this blog (I also "borrowed" the information from Anonymous April 30, 2009 12:27 PM), hopefully the moderator will allow the comment to be posted.
Why aren't all you Linux haters ashamed that you just can't get Linux to work? This never seizes to amaze me. The real haters in here should really be aiming for a Darwin award soon. (Not getting Linux to work, AND not understand irony and the role of a devils advocate.)
@anonymous April 30, 2009 2:52 PMReally? It never "seizes" to amaze you?While you're handing out those Darwin awards, be sure to give yourself one for your failure to grasp rudimentary grammar.
Why aren't all you Linux haters ashamed that you just can't get Linux to work?You can't make a fish run a marathon.
Why we can't get it to work?It's supposed to be our fault video, wifi and other drivers don't exist or are ridiculously bad?It's our fault the stupid licensing makes it a worthless OS with no good apps (making it a waste of time in the first place)?It's our fault it's totally useless for tons of things, like anything that requires commercial software, or fucktons of everyday basic things we take for granted, like CableCard and Blu-Ray support?It's also our fault it lacks anything like AD + Group Policy + Exchange and so on?Yeah, I feel real ashamed now, for using software that actually works, and it worth using.
I use Linux and I think everyone else should. Linux is so much better than Windows *cough*if you're a computer scientist*cough*. But hey, not like the home desktop was made for the average Joe, right?If someone wants to do video editing they should have to spend hours reading through various man pages whilst typing cryptic statements into the command line.
99.999% of the planet is up for a Darwin award within the next week, says freetard. News at 11.Everyone should know how to reverse engineer their hardware, write drivers for it, fix their OS' fundamental flaws (as in rewrite the whole thing from scratch), only then to make their own apps, and somehow give it all for free... Typical dumb fuck freetard. I give him 4 Ubunturd versions 'till he sees the light comes back crawling to Windows.
I wonder why Miguel de Icasa hates his companies flagship product so much?
The twist ending will be that Linux Hater and Oiaohm are the same person, but neither personality realizes it until it's too late, like in Fight Club.
Why do people always suggest Avidemux for "video editing", are they freakin' daft? It's sort of good for converting your homemade cell phone porn into a more reasonable format, but that's about it.
Why aren't all you Linux haters ashamed that you just can't get Linux to work? It's not so much that I can't get linux to work, as it is the sample facts that linux does not want to work for me. I hate to say it, but when an operating system cannot find the network interface card, cannot make a wireless connection, or cannot even draw a sample window without video tearing, then the operating system - -linux - -is completely and utterly useless! I need my operating system to work for me; I'd don't need to spend a recession working to make about operating system do what it is supposed to do. Unfortunately, that seems to be the only thing that I can do when I use Linux. I think that I will be speaking with the Windows Vista for now. After all, I am able to use all my programmes with no problem at all, unlike a linux which cannot even play a sample DVD without making a person jump through hoops for 4 hours only end. I'm sorry to say it, but linux is a deadend. Unfortunately there are not enough warning signs to keep people from having to deal with the virus that is known as linux.P.S. This comment was posted using Windows speech recognition.
Yeah, it does work for me.
Linux doesn't work for anyone. Anyone who says "works for me" is a fuking liar... Linux doesn't even have wireless abilites (go check the kernel websites).
Wow then, I must be using some magical version of Linux then, because I can speak to you on a wireless connection.
"2) How come Firefox is so slow on GNU/Linux anyway? I've been lookingat threads on the Ubuntu forums where people go as far as to say that Firefox is as much as twice as fast on Windows XP. Surely someoneinside Canonical will compile Firefox using the same compilingtechnique as used with Windows if that is what's causing the problem.Otherwise how come that a FOSS browser is slower on the most openplatform OS when the majority of its users on said platform aredevelopers?"http://firstname.lastname@example.org/msg17609.htmlI tend to agree that the best way to educate people about Linux shittiness is to let people experience all of its shortcomings and poor performance first-hand. It's the only way. I certainly am not going to put up with Firefox's slow Linux performance and crappy Flash playback (and let's not forget the 200mb download limit bug). This stuff has been around for years and they can't still get the basic web browsing right.
This blog has great concept - FUCK LINUX!
"I have Firefox on two machines side-by-side right now, one runningUbuntu 8.10 and the other running Windows XP, and Firefox runs extremelyfast on the Ubuntu machine and extremely slow on the Windows one. Iadmit the machine running Ubuntu has a faster CPU" (and of course probably a larger front side bus, faster hard disk, etc)Benchmarking, Lintard style. Run Linux on a newer, faster machine and compare it to an older machine running Windows.
How does slower Firefox make Linux unusable? IE is known for it's slowness, and it's still the most popular browser. You guys need to come up with better arguments. Slower Firefox and "screen tearing" are weak. Find some serious bugs!
"everyday basic things we take for granted, like CableCard and Blu-Ray support"um, yeah. those are basic everyday things for high-tech early adopters. for most of the retards who use a computer to surf the net, check email and organise digital photos, these aren't even things they've heard of.i've used linux for audio production for a few years now, and hands down it kicks windows arse - windows audio management is insanely complex and hard to set up when you compare it to a realtime kernel from UbuntuStudio with Jack, Hydrogen and Ardour. Most audio cards are supported out of the box. If you take the time to set up a linux audio production box, it may take you a lot of time and patience, but once you're set up, you've got the shit.OTOH - Video production in Linux is a pile of shit. Not worth even trying.
IE is not known for its slowness, Freetard. IE8 is extremely fast. Even your own delusional Freetard champion SJVN admits IE8 is better than Firefox 3.
As much as I like and use Linux, the available applications for video-editing sucks badly. This guy should really stick to Windows.
Why aren't all you Linux haters ashamed that you just can't get Linux to work?Why aren't all you Jesus haters ashamed that you just can't accept Him as your only savior?Great argument, man. Spoken like a true culted zealot.Gotta give you credit, though: as far as ItsYourFault(TM) permutations go, this one is pretty cool.Free tip: getting people to switch by implying that they are unsophisticated idiots tends to never work.
You know, back when I was a Linux zealot, I used to give out the "you're too dumb to use Linux" line when people were having problems with Linux. For the record, I have been using Linux since June of 1995, know Linux well enough that I once made a live-CD distribution of Linux, am an open-source developer and even have a Linux partition lurking on the computer I'm typing this on (but am using Windows XP right now).The fact of the matter is that I want the computer to work for me; I don't want to work for the computer. I mean, it takes 50 times as much effort to configure things in Linux as it does to configure the same things in Windows. And, what does one get for all of this effort? Well, less choice in what software I can run. The market for Linux commercial desktop software died in 2002 when Loki went under; so I'm left with free applications that are almost always also available on Windows.I can use Gimp, OpenOffice, Audacity, and Pidgin on Windows, just as I can use them on Linux.So, what advantage does Linux give me? We're not in the 1990s anymore. Windows today has the security and stability of Linux. I see no point in wasting my time getting my computer to work when I have other things to do with my time.For example, instead of getting things to work in Linux, I would rather work on my open-source program so people can have a better free-software program.(Yes, it's Linux-compatible; indeed I use a Linux VM for most of my development)
So, what advantage does Linux give me? It's better becauseItsNotMicrosoft(tm)
Check this: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://bytecorrupto.blogspot.com/2009/03/only-for-linux.html&sl=es&tl=en&history_state0=Is from a spanish anti-Linux blog.
# cat /dev/sda1 > /dev/dspListen to your hard drive.....another thing Winchot users will ever accomplish :)You can look at this list too.
"Why aren't all you Linux haters ashamed that you just can't get Linux to work?"Why do development tools on Linux suck balls?Why does Linux tablet support suck balls?Why does Linux speech recognition suck balls?Why does Linux handwriting recognition suck balls?Why does Linux audio suck balls?Why does Linux video suck balls?Why does Linux picture editing suck balls?Why does Linux video editing suck balls?Why does Linux audio editing suck balls?Why do Linux office suites suck balls?Why do Linux-only games suck balls?Why do Linux x-server sessions crash so much?
"# cat /dev/sda1 > /dev/dspListen to your hard drive.....another thing Winchot users will ever accomplish :)"WOW!YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH THAT COMMAND CHANGED MY LIFE!I'M HUNDREDS OF TIMES MORE PRODUCTIVE NOW!THAT TOTALLY COMPENSATES FOR THE LACK OF ANY DECENT CODEC SUPPORT OR THE FACT VIDEO TEARS LIKE A SILK DRESS IN A WOODCHIPPER! THANK YOU SO MUCH!
I agree with Mara, the OS should work and/or do things to make it easier for me, not the other way around.O and if you just need "libdvdcss", you need to first edit your sources list, then do some multiple CLI commands, and once this is installed, be prepared for flash (youtube) sound (or another media player sound) to suddenly stop working, requiring you to switch to from pulse to asla, and then your DVD sound stops working. Requirung you to switch between pulse and also depending on if you want flash sound or dvd. O and BTW, be prepared for choppiness playback and screen tear on Linux, and be prepared to disable the much ballyhoo compiz feature to fix it, so your desktop won't rotate in a cube, leaving you in again, reduced functionality.In windows or mac, just download klite megacodec pack or any of similar double click and install.
In windows or mac, just download klite megacodec pack or any of similar double click and install.Or ffdshow, brought to us by the "open source made awesome for Windows by sane developers" effect.
No wireless in linux still sucks. Even if your card is detected you can still have problems with WPA/WPA2. http://www.techimo.com/forum/linux-unix/224662-ubuntu-wpa2-cant-connect.htmlWPA connection worked on 8.04 and doesn't work after upgrade to 8.10http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1110880As for firefox in linux: http://www.tuxradar.com/content/browser-benchmarks-2-even-wine-beats-linux-firefoxLinux is pretty much a waste of time as a desktop OS. Hell I even keep Vista partition for when I want to look at gay porn.
Why do Linux x-server sessions crash so much?Yea I love how they call it x-server yet you would be crazy to actually use it in a critical services role. Nothing would keep me awake more than having a web server running xorg 24/7. You would be much better off with windows 2000 for a gui server, which is rather sad.
um, yeah. those are basic everyday things for high-tech early adopters. for most of the retards who use a computer to surf the net, check email and organise digital photos, these aren't even things they've heard of.BluRay has more or less become a household name at this point. That aside, I always hated the pretentious "average users are retarded and don't do anything of consequence" argument. it's not justification for the lack of expandability or the lack of trivial way to do so. A lot of people go on to do a lot more complex things once they realize how readily available the tools are, and how easy it is. i've used linux for audio production for a few years now, and hands down it kicks windows arse - windows audio management is insanely complex and hard to set up I haven't used Windows extensively for audio in a long time, but there was never much more to it than hooking up ASIO drivers and being done with it. Of course, since Vista, MMCSS and WaveRT provide all that out of the box, and make ASIO irrelevant. there's the added perk of wider hardware support, and you know I mean more than just soundcards (MIDI controllers, digital turntables, KAOS pads, pedals, you know, the fun stuff. It was always a nightmare to get working right (or at all) in Linux.when you compare it to a realtime kernel from UbuntuStudio with Jack, Hydrogen and ArdourMore power to you.I like Jack. I really do.But Linux really gives me little incentive to ditch my Logic + Reaktor + Kore + assortment of VST/i plugins stack, which I'm quite fond of.But then again, I'm also quite fond of the C64 and Sega Genesis as hard synths, or the classic KORG wavestation, which will have to be pried from my cold, dead fingers. So maybe I'm just weird like that.I tried to like Hydrogen, I really did. I generally like pattern-based sequencers, especially for percussions, but not much use for one, lately - of my current projects, one has a drummer, one doesn't use (much) percussions, and another uses sampled household appliances being tumbled down staircases and passed through an arpeggiator. If you take the time to set up a linux audio production box, it may take you a lot of time and patience, that's the problem, though. It's not an issue of being unable to get it to work, it's an issue of the time/effort involved in getting it to work right.My Mac had a working high performance sound setup out of the box, with very little tweaking for me to do - a little bit of fine tuning, and setting up midi routing (since I don't carry my keyboards with me when I'm on the move), and latencies well within acceptable parameters on the low end onboard sound card (much better on the high end external hardware, which I don't always carry with me,either) If you take the time to set up a linux audio production box, it may take you a lot of time and patience, but once you're set up, you've got the shit.Until a dist-upgrade breaks everything. It might not happen all the time, but it happens a great deal more often than the linux crowd is willing to admit.That's one of the reasons I do most of my work on OS X these days. I got tired of having to do it over all the time. Well, that, and beyond audio, I like to work on video as well (Final Cut is tough to beat) and work on my graphics/design work. Digital/HDR photography, etc. I get to do it all on one system this way.Don't take this as flaming on anything, I always enjoy shooting the shit with other musicians/artists.
Yea I love how they call it x-server yet you would be crazy to actually use it in a critical services role. In fairness, the name comes from the client/server architecture of X11.
I'm starting to suspect the author of the blog is either Bill Gates himself or Steve Ballmer...
"I'm starting to suspect the author of the blog is either Bill Gates himself or Steve Ballmer..."That's because you're a delusional Freetard. Only they could hate Linux, right?
Why do I have delete rights?
Last night i was using Firefox in Ubuntu trying to see some Youtube videos. The browser then stops responding as well as GNome. I had to restart X. Later i found out that Firefox was installing the latest update.Linux FTW
http://lunduke.com/?p=429linux sucks and what can be done to improve it it pretty much presents the present status of audio and video.
It's good to see more people realizing that they can't move Linux desktops without serious changes to how things are done.
Yeah, right, only Gates and Ballmer hate Linux for their selfish ass capitalist reasons. The rest of the mankind have no right to hate Linux... whoever raises his voice will be stigmatized as Bill Gates mercenary and will rot for life in the freetard Gulag (Frulag?).
Here's the reply I just posted which should be of some help:I'm a professional video editor, having worked on high-end cable TV series for Discovery Channel, History Channel, Nat Geo, and more. I'm also a heavy linux user and sometime developer -- I wrote the PenguinTV RSS reader. I use linux for all my day-to-day computing, including web browsing, email, watching videos online, twittering, etc etc, and it's my preferred platform. If there were a good video editor for linux I would recommend it in a heartbeat. But, right now, I would never try to use linux for professional video editing. There are two reasons for this.First, the linux video editing tools are extremely poor. They are hard to get working, they crash, they lack features, and they are difficult to work with. Even Pitivi, which is the most promising editor that exists right now, is in its very early stages. Cinelerra, the most functional editor, is hideous and badly designed. Here's a comparison: Some people talk about The GIMP, a photo editor, and compare it to Photoshop. GIMP is ok for a lot of photo editing needs, but professional graphic designers know that it doesn't have what they need to replace photoshop. Linux video editors aren't even at that level. If linux video editors were image programs, they wouldn't even compare favorably to MS Paint.Secondly, video editing is a world where you need to interact with other professionals. You need to export files other people can read. You need to import files other people have created. If your linux video editor can only create Ogg Theora files, no one will be able to use them. If you can't read popular formats like HDV, XDCAM, and Apple Prores, you're going to be severely handicapped.I would encourage you to try linux as a desktop machine, because it is a nice system and works well. But video editing on linux is a great pain and is in the stone age. Programs like pitivi look very promising, and one day they may reach GIMP's level of equivalent functionality, but that day is still a ways off. If the editing you want to do is for work, you need to spend the money on a real editing program.
That presentation is nice. It points out real problems, but it does not give realistic solutions. Frankly, after having seen that video, I'm more convinced that desktop Linux is hopeless. Time to move on.
When people assume you are using Windows or Mac, that you are a "slave" to marketing drones or something, that really pisses me off.I don't think that's the real reason. You see if something came along and it was comparable to Windows or Mac, or even cool to play with(BeOS circa 1999) we are certainly open to give it a try.But after 20yrs of being "open" to trying Linux desktop and always being disappointed by it's incompleteness, bad licensing, bad support/documentation, lack of lsb/standards, lack of direction,lack of single cohesive DE, lack of quality applications, it gets downright annoying. And that's why we're ..just..fed...up.The cost of an OS is no longer a barrier; you can always get OEM for about $129, or by simply getting a new machine, which comes with the Vista/Mac license for free. And machines nowadays are like $299 and up, ridiculously cheap and more powerful bang4buck than ever before.That cost is offset by being able to install the SAME open source applications under Linux (firefox/openoffice/etc), while being able to select from many more commercial applications. And also dealing with less headache in regards to DVD playback/editing/gaming. Simply put, "it just works" and works well, and we can edit and create DVD video on either Vista or OSX as these come standard.And also I hate when people assume Linux is great when all you do is just surf email and surf internet. It can barely keep up with internet computing standards which evolve quickly. Also don't underestimate people, (as they use the computer more and more) they begin to start doing things more than just surfing/email, they try to play games, or edit video or look for other software. They don't necessarily want to learn bash or cli, but they want to download and run programs that make things fun and entertaining.Entertaining is not "edit sources list to download libcsss" and pray it doesn't break anything else, that is not fun.
I love Linux! It's perfect! Compiz is the best thing ever. I can sit here all day jacking off while making my windows wobble and cubes spin.I hit orgasm the moment Compiz causes a kernel panic.
The latest Ubuntu has terrible performance on Intel Graphics card. Worse than previous versions.Freetards get all horny about Intel because of all GPU companies, they are the most open with their driver code.Yet Linux fucks it up again.
Latest minimum requirements for Windows 7. And again, if it weren't for Apple and Microsoft pushing the limits of computing, we'd still be using 386DX processors. * 1 GHz processor (32- or 64-bit) * 1 GB of RAM (32-bit); 2 GB of RAM (64-bit) * 16 GB of available disk space (32-bit); 20 GB of available disk space (64-bit) * DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driverVery realistic requirements, you can get this for $349 including OS at most retail stores.
"Also don't underestimate people, (as they use the computer more and more) they begin to start doing things more than just surfing/email, they try to play games, or edit video or look for other software."Which is a huge point. I always see Lintards talking about "the average joe" and how the average joe just uses his PC for surfing and e-mail, and how Linux is fine for that. But MANY users evolve, so to speak, and want to do more with their machines, such as video editing and games as you describe, as well as advanced photo editing (which the GIMP is NOT good for, it's extremely slow when working with large images). And if they start off on or switch to Linux, there's NO PATH for them to become advanced users in those areas, or fully enjoy their computer's entertainment capabilities. I don't edit video all that much, but when I get some clips from someone's birthday party or something, it's nice to know I can fire up Sony Vegas (which only costs about $90) and easily edit them together and post them on the web, no hassle, no crashing software, no crazy interfaces.
Does printing in Linux work yet? Is it still the pretendo 1980-style PostScript emulation? How about the increasingly common multifunctional units? Do they work? At least for printing--I know scanning is still fucked.Otherwise, one doesn't have to go far to stretch Linux's limits. I'm assuming if you go to Best Buy and come home with the latest HP all-in-one you'll be staring at a door stop. Maybe after six hours of compiling drivers you might get stuff printed in magenta or something.SANE is the most hilarious project ever--the 'E' stands for "easy", you know. Scanning was ten times easier in Windows 3.1 and System 7.Even excepting the above, most "average Joes" are eventually gonna come up against something Linux doesn't do, like accounting, taxes, video editing, connecting to the workplace, play a popular game.And then there's the stuff that Linux doesn't do by default: like play movies and music.So, to recap, between music, movies, printing, scanning, working, gaming, video editing, accounting, and taxes there will be something "average Joe" wants that Linux can't deliver. "Web browsing" takes you only so far.
>"Web browsing" takes you only so far.Which is why if you'll notice on certain Lintard-friendly sites, this whole "applications will be run over the web someday / desktop model is doomed / the browser will be the OS" argument is cropping up lately. Yet on the other hand we have a Lintard in this very thread telling us the extremely poor performance of Linux's Firefox version isn't really a big problem. An interesting world Lintards live in, for sure.
Yeah, you'd expect the sovereign application, web browser, to equal if not better the alternatives on other platforms, but that's Linux for you.I do like how they simultaneously try to play "Linux works great on old hardware" and "Linux is faster on my brand new quad core system than Windows XP on a Pentium II with 64 MB RAM".
BREAKING NEWS: Slashdot says Linux Reaches 1% Usage Share
But, by staking its desktop future on web services, Linux has created an identity crises. We all know what Stallman thinks of web services--they're even less free than proprietary software!
windows audio management is insanely complex and hard to set up when you compare it to a realtime kernel from UbuntuStudio with Jack, Hydrogen and Ardour.No, no, no. That's not true. Under windows, you have to do few things check here. You need only the three tweaks listed in the section "essential tweaks". It takes 5 minutes. If you are an etreme person, you can find NLited versions of windows already set up for music, if you need/want a minimal windows for audio, but that's absolutely not necessary, not for me at least, and I do professional audio for a living. Jack is good. Yes. We all agree. There's also a windows version (that didn't work that well for me, unfortunately), but, if you use reaper, you get an asio driver for routing called Rearoute, that works really well. Unfortunately Csound doesn't see it (for some Portaudio problem) but pure data does, andof course, any other non-FLOSS software.The only good thing happened to Linux audio is that Reaper works and is supported under wine, providing an amazing tool for audio production, cheap unexpiring shareware, it has vst support and a nice open-source (sic!) environment for coding DSP plugins, compile and use like any other effect, import/export and run natively tons of file formats, jesus, there are sooo many features in 4 mb of installer. It has got also a healthy, very active and helpful community. Yes, the guy that made it is the programmer of winamp and gnutella...an excellent programmer. Reaper got also amazing review in Sound on Sound, and is nowadays used in their famous "Mix rescue" section. We are talking about a closed source software, BTW. On the other side, Paul Davis, the author of Ardour, has financial problems, but still he doesn't want to provide a Windows version for ethical reasons... Anyway Ardour is ok, but Reaper, free of ideological boundaries, is getting a position among the big boys: protools, logic, cubase. LinuxSampler (a gigasample player) is another good project, and thanks god, Garritan just announced that they will continue to support gigasampler format. Audacity is quite ok, but I find wavosaur (installer is 400Kb or smthing!) better, especially because Audacity, under Windows, doesn't support ASIO, and doesn't have zooming with mouse wheel... weird. The best way to know the situation of Linux Audio, is to read the linux audio user mailing list, and others as well. You'll see that the majority of posts are about something that doesn't work, compiling troubles or programming. Nothing bad in itself, but there's so little about making music there... Few other remarks: the "best" FLOSS software are: supercollider (closed source for years), Csound (started well before Linux existence: Music I, the first version of this programming language family, is from 1957 while Music 11, upon Csound was based, is from 1978), Pure Data (also, started as a close source: it was called Patcher (around 1980-85), then Max, then they divided and we got Pd and MaxMSP, one FLOSS and the other commercial).
btw it's Cinelerra not Cinerella... not that it fucking matters of course
I can never remember the name. I always find it by searching for "Cinderella Linux video editor" and flipping to page 4 or something.
GOD! The comments in this /. article are amazing. There's even someone who dind't know his laptop had bluetooth, and bought external dongles compatible with Linux to connect.And as always if Linux gets 0.nothing% more it's awesome, and it would truly be the Year of the Linux Desktop. If Windows XP loses market share (due mainly to Vista and possibly to Windows 7 Beta/RC, that's being used but it's not even mentioned) then MicrosoftIsDying™.
Listen, just take a look at those "usage share" (whatever that means -- I'd imagine that a lot of people were Googling for solutions to fixing their Flash and DVD playback from inside Ubuntu before giving up and dual-booting back into Windows) numbers a year from now, after Win7 desktops, laptops and netbooks have been out for a few months. Linux will dip below 1% again. Not that it means anything either way in the overall scheme of things, but it will be nice to see the Lintards scrambling to explain it with some new theory rather than admit Linux's mediocrity.
Wow, I'd like to take a pot shot at another crap FOSS application that gives a lot of fosstards warm fuzzies but is actually crap when you do anything beyond open it up and say "look it works!"Inkscape is total crap. Not the nice well formed crap that you get after eating a lot of fiber. No I am talking lactose intolerant after drinking a lot of milk while you have the flu explosive diarrhea type crap. If you want to do anything beyond say... Open it up draw a few lines and say "look it works!" it starts crashing. No really, I tried using it as a Illustrator alternative the other day because I didn't have Illustrator handy, and wow. What total crap. This thing is a pile of shit.
There is cause for celebration in Linux-Land. I quote from Slashdot: "The April data is out for the Net Applications "market share" survey of operating systems (more accurately referred to as a usage share). For the first time, Linux has reached 1%! This past month the Linux share increased by 0.12% which is well above the average monthly increase of 0.02%. Historically, the Net Applications estimate of market share has been lower than that of other organizations who measure this, but the abnormally large increase reported this month brings it closer to the median estimate of 1.11%."Further "For other operating systems, Windows XP continued its slow decline by 0.64% to 62.21%, whereas Vista use is still increasing to 23.90%, but its rate of adoption is slowing. That is, this month's increase of 0.48% is well below the 12 mo. average increase of 0.78% and down from the peak rate of increase of 1.00% per mo. on average in January-February 2008. Total windows share dropped to 87.90%. Mac OS use decreased slightly to 9.73% from 9.77%, but usage share of the iphone and ipod touch combined increased by 0.1%."http://linux.slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=4357741Break out the champagne. This is truly the Year of Linux.
As a primary Windows user, I have to say I am quite impressed with what Apple has done with BSD/OSX. They took BSD and made a great user interface, a great application development platform (desktop and iphone), and many other neato things (finder/time machine/iphoto/etc)I'm a lover of technology first, and looking at what they've done, I think to myself "Dam, Apple's got their stuff together real nice", and I have no problem recommending Apple for their home computer.I can't however say the same thing about Linux, because after using it myself (and I worked in IT), it's not an easy feat when you want to do something outside of the prepackaged functions of the distro. I mean like adding dvd player support is not exactly easy (without issues), instaling java/flash is archaic:sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin sun-java6-fontsAnd if you miss something be prepared for no java support in firefox.Or trivial things like just upgrading to the latest version of Firefox or beta Firefox while retaining add-ons can be an exercise in patience.Linux excels when it's used for fixed function stuff like simple nas/ebox/sme server, but for desktop, where needs are always changing, it doesn't make it easy to adapt to the user's wishes.
@ Anonymous, May 1, 2009 10:28 AM:BREAKING NEWS: Slashdot says Linux Reaches 1% Usage ShareThey fail to mention, of course, that iPhone OS, which powers both the iPhone and the iPod Touch, is sitting at .7% usage share.An OS running on a current grand total of four hardware configurations is approaching their usage share. An OS that runs on two cell phones and two MP3 players has achieved in under two years what it took Linux a over a decade to achieve, and there's no signs that it's slowing down - with the new generation of iPhones coming out this summer, including a rumored 'light' version that will probably be cheaper, their adoption is only going to rise (not to mention what will happen if they finally get the iPhone in China!).
I've heard rumors of Apple price cuts coming, I'm actually excited about getting my first Apple product, an iPod touch hopefully soon. You can now watch YouTube directly from it.Now if we could get flash porn working for iPod >:)
I installed Windows 7 RC1 last night (I have three Slackware boxes in the basement running MythTV and have been using Linux since 1994...still have all my original Slackware floppies) and holy shit is it fast.I on IE 8 and shit on me if it didn't take less than a second to have CNN open. The new Device Manager is sweet. Icon size is perfect.Abit IP35 Pro mobo - everything works - CheckDell AIO 945 Printer - CheckPNY External SATA card - CheckNvidia 7900GTX - CheckDell 2495 LCD - CheckWestern Digital MyBook 500 via Firewire - Check - also asked if I wanted to optimize the firewire performance...hell yeah!Saitek X52 Joystick and Throttle - Check and CheckHauppauge 1600 HD TV card - Check - this works in Linux, but not really.Windows Update found driver updates for my Realtek Ethernet and my Realtek HD audio but not once did I have to dig around for a CD or go to a vendor's website to get a driver.Can I emphasize one more time how fucking fast it is?
"But MANY users evolve, so to speak, and want to do more with their machines ..."This is probably what happened with the early Linux netbook users. They were reasonably happy so long as they lived within the limits imposed on them. When they try to break free, they realize Linux is a big hindrance!
Windows is getting faster, correcting old problems, running more devices, and supporting more and more new applications, while Desktop Linux is getting slower, has the same old useless apps, has not corrected major issues (Flash, DVD) and often has trouble even with Intel chipsets. Look for more typical Lintard pants-shitting on sites like Slashdot as the release of Win7 draws near and they try to find SOMETHING bad to say about "M$". Desktop Linux hasn't simply "lost its chance"; Desktop Linux is about to get killed off.
You gotta love when people call Vista "XP SP4" or Win7 "Vista SP3".Then is it right to call Ubuntu 1.0 Service pack 9.04? or Fedora service pack 11?Silly stuff. I could care less if they used goobledeygoop as the code-base with a pretty gui on top, as long as the Desktop user experience looks and work properly and provides value, then so what?Same with Linux Distros. Really it's the same basic kernel with newer kde/gnome/pulse/openoffice/etc. But I never see Windows users go out of their way and shout out "Yuk it's just Ubuntu 7.10 service pack 9" or some crap like that.I mean, if they want a ribbon or something sure I'll make them one "Hey dude, you called Vista XP SP4 on the forums, great job! Here's a blue ribbon for ya! Wear it with pride"I mean really, name calling a competitor OS is not gonna make desktop linux suddenly reach common lsb, de, api, sound, and make great applications. These zealots need to stop yapping and start producing!We're still waiting......
The best thing to do is let that guy try Linux and live with it for a year.Then while he's doing that, we can drop in on him with our gaming Vista laptops and cool Ipod phones."Sorry you can't watch smooth youtube flash videos on your Linux, wanna borrow my ipod touch?">:)
The best thing is when there's a new release of GNOME and some Lintard writes an article that includes 100 screenshots of it. 100 screenshots of the same shit we've seen year after year: the same login window, the same top and bottom panels, the same Applications menu, the same Nautilus browser, the same Pidgin buddy list window, the same Appearance dialog, the same Synaptic window. What the fuck am I supposed to be seeing that's different?
One of my pet peeves is when they set Gnome application/system/menufonts the size of a fisher price logo.I mean, come on, at 1280x768, I don't need large menu fonts like I'm optically challenged. Please at least make the system "look" professional, not like a "see and say" fisher price toy with big @ss fonts.And yes those same freaking gnome 100 screenshots that almost never change. I mean gnome 2.25 is a big big difference from gnome 2.26 right (sarcasm)?.But according to zealots, it's cool to call Vista "XPSP4" cuz they're one and the same.
How to make a gnome system menu or dialog box===================================step1: create a dialog box about 2/3rds of your screen real estate width and heightstep2: add a few buttons the size of gargantuastep3 (most importanr) make sure the wording is nice and spaced out so it looks like this:A C C E P T?
I contend that a single person is making 80% of the comments here.
I agree with the above.
Shut up you guys.
I contend that the number of posters doesn't invalidate the arguments.
I agree, the comments invalidate themselves.
I do not concur; you're clearly biased.
Amazing how freetards manage to pullute the Web with only 1% market share in the desktop.Apparently the bastards managed to finally break the 1 point:Linux clients break 1% web usage shareFreetards have been working pretty hard since 2001:2001-06Linux 1%, Mac 4%, Win 9x 65%, Win NT 25%2001-08Linux 1%, Mac 4%, Win 9x 64%, Win NT 27%2001-11Linux 1%, Mac 4%, Win 9x 61%, Win NT 26%, Win XP 4%2002-03Linux 1%, Mac 4%, Win 9x 54%, Win NT 24%, Win XP 12%2002-06Linux 1%, Mac 4%, Win 9x 49%, Win NT 26%, Win XP 16%2002-09Linux 1%, Mac 5%, Win 9x 46%, Win NT 26%, Win XP 20%2002-12Linux 1%, Mac 4%, Win 9x 41%, Win NT 26%, Win XP 25%2003-03Linux 1%, Mac 4%, Win 9x 37%, Win NT 25%, Win XP 29%2003-06Linux 1%, Mac 3%, Win 9x 34%, Win NT 25%, Win XP 33%2003-09Linux 1%, Mac 3%, Win 9x 30%, Win NT 23%, Win XP 38%2003-11Linux 1%, Mac 3%, Win 9x 28%, Win NT 22%, Win XP 42%2004-03Linux 1%, Mac 4%, Win 9x 23%, Win NT 21%, Win XP 47%2004-06Linux 1%, Mac 3%, Win 9x 17%, Win NT 20%, Win XP 51%SourceFuckin' bunch of lusers!
Only in Freetardia would this be considered a victory. A supposedly-superior OS given away for *free* can only muster 1% of the "usage" share? It's like the fat ugly chick who thinks she's a 10 and wonders why she can't find a man.PS What will they be saying in another few months when "usage" drops back down below 1%? M$ CON$PIRACY ZOMG WIN7 DRM DLL MONOPOLI$T BILL GATE$
When will you Micro$haft Whendoze fucktardians realize that you're using an inferior, piece-of-shit, monopolistic, ass-raping, virus-laden, operating system? You fucktards can't even SSH to your phone from your box. What kind of fucked up OS can't do that? Have fun having your basic human rights violated at the hands of Micro$haft.
^ This trolling is a little bit better, but still not up to par.
LINUX WILL OVERCOMEWE SHALL OVERCOMEOUR DAY IS COMING FUCKERSAND YOU WILL WITNESS IT
This is a pretty pathetic post. Linux Hater might have made good points in a past, but going around trying to cause a fuss everytime someone wants to use Linux us just weak.Let him try it and make his own damn mind up. For an os that supposedly only has 1% market share, you guys sure spend a lot of time obsessing about it. Having a "Linux Haters Club" makes as much sense as having a "Lada Haters Club". It makes sense perhaps to dissaude people from a monopoly, and attack the top dog, but constantly digging into Linux shows a real pettyness from OS-Tards.If you don't like the way Linux users carry on (and they DO carry on), just dont go to Slashdot or Linux forums.
This is a pretty pathetic post. Linux Hater might have made good points in a past, but going around trying to cause a fuss everytime someone wants to use Linux us just weak.LH probably can't be arsed about the blog ... he did stop it once and came back because of the amount of attention it got.Let him try it and make his own damn mind up. For an os that supposedly only has 1% market share, you guys sure spend a lot of time obsessing about it. Having a "Linux Haters Club" makes as much sense as having a "Lada Haters Club". It makes sense perhaps to dissaude people from a monopoly, and attack the top dog, but constantly digging into Linux shows a real pettyness from OS-Tards.The argument goes both ways, dude. You too spent time reading and posting on this blog.If you don't like the way Linux users carry on (and they DO carry on), just dont go to Slashdot or Linux forums.It's pretty much impossible to ignore the Desktop linux propaganda machine. Again, works both ways: if you don't like this blog, don't visit it.Oh yeah, another thing: Linux is for servers. Desktop linux is a failure. Fucking script kiddies.
I'll bet you can find a Lada Hater Club if you can manage Cyrillic. It represents the same sort of broken down "freedom" Linux does. Ripoff derivative of a once forward-thinking design only to stagnate for decades as its proponents vigorously defend and distract from its obvious obsolescence.
Linux is at least three, no, four times as relevant than it was before!
The problem is that seemingly every tech site has become an imitation of Slashdot, from the lazy, uninformed, sensationalistic reporting to the "Linux rulez M$ drool$" mentality, so unless one is to abstain from tech journalism altogether, Linux cannot be escaped.Fifteen years ago you would have been telling us to stop picking on poor Amiga and OS/2 when it was obvious to everyone but future Slashtards and Amiga 500 fanbois stuck in 1982 that both were dead ends.
Is Stallman on the rag?
"Even your own delusional Freetard champion SJVN admits IE8 is better than Firefox 3."Someone wrote saying that he considers IE8 to be a better browser than Firefox?BIG FUCKING DEAL. I can find tons of opinions saying the opposite, too.Heck, don't need to, because I had already found a article stating that WITHOUT looking for it (I was merely looking for opinions about IE8):http://windowssecrets.com/comp/090402/#story1To quote the article:"There's no doubt that IE 8 is a much better browser than IE 7. Nevertheless, it's still inferior to Firefox and other alternatives. As to whether you should upgrade to IE 8 now or later, my advice is to use Firefox instead of either version."See how easy it is? But don't bother on posting a link if you find someone else sharing your opinion, because I DON'T FUCKING CARE. I only posted that link to go by your logic.Still, Firefox sucks on Linturd.
Hey, I like Ladas.They aren't even comparable to Linux on the desktop, at least they works!
@May 2, 2009 1:46 AM.I think the point was different.SJVN is always bashing Windows and proclaiming Linux to be the savior of humanity (and the only cure to conficker and viruses). And now this FOSS Paladin tells everyone IE8 is better than Firefox (that's so beloved by fosstards).FIrefox is awesome, I think most of us use it, and it's a lot extensible and reliable. But I too have to admit IE8 is pretty fast and light on resources. In some ways it's like IE7 on steroids, but if you want something reliable and stable you have to keep IE7 or FIrefox (or Opera, etc). IE8 it's too immature. It's a relatively big leap with more standards support, better interface, and nice tools for debugging. But sometimes it still gives me problems and it's still too tightly integrated with explorer.exe (at least in WinXP). Anyway it gave me a better experience than Chrome when it came out. The first betas of Chrome gave me BSoDs with Flash, and that was pretty annoying. Anyway I can still use IE8 engine with Firefox, thanks to IE Tab, so I'm still happy :D
BIG FUCKING DEAL. I can find tons of opinions saying the opposite, tooNot only that, it's the /. formula for success.Heck, want proof that people didn't land on the moon? That the concentration camps never existed ? I can whip them up - just like that.The link's importance lies in the 4 letters "SJVN", FOSS4BRAINS. In case you didn't get that: welcome on the internet.
captcha is "fockin".fockin linox
If Linux Hater jumped off a bridge would you guys follow him down?
"Ripoff derivative of a once forward-thinking design only to stagnate for decades as its proponents vigorously defend and distract from its obvious obsolescence."That's about the best darn summary of the state of Linux Desktop today.On another note, it seems that's ALL they care about, desktop fetish. In fact they have at least 16 DE/window managershttp://xwinman.organd about 302 Linux distributions, all reinventing wheel over and over and over again.http://distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=popularityAnd maybe a handful of actual usable apps:openoffice =office 97evolution=outlook98gimp=paintshop 1.0pidgin=aol IM 1.0firefoxhandbrakeDia=Visio 1.0 (1992)evince=acrobat reader 1.0If after 20yrs "total# of window managers" > total # of actual usable apps = terrible fail
If Linux Desktop jumped off the face of the earth to join AmigaOS, would you still use it?
If Linux Hater jumped off a bridge would you guys follow him down?.Nice troll! I wouldn't, but Stallman has apparently been quite successful in sending a lot of people on a wild goose chase down the rabbit hole. The need for a cult figurehead* seems to be your prerogative, not of those who offer sensible critique.*That also applies for a lot of people who seem to believe that every Apple product springs fully formed from the head of Jobs with no other human intervention needed.
But I heard that under the bridge there exists a magical land where no one likes Linux and Slashdot spreads the good news of Microsoft corporation. It's a Linux Hater's heaven. Now would you join Linux Hater and jump off the bridge?
"Someone wrote saying that he considers IE8 to be a better browser than Firefox?"I got beat to it but I will answer anyway. Not "someone", asshole, but SJVN, the Lintard champion, the every article is "switch to linux now because M$ sux OMG OMG OMG" guy, admits it. Sort of like if Paul Thurrott told you Ubuntu was better than Win7. Anyway, thanks for reading carefully!
But I heard that under the bridge there exists a magical land where no one likes Linux and Slashdot spreads the good news of Microsoft corporation.Dunno man, oiaohm is our resident Bizarro World expert. Hopefully he'll chime in.
Oiaohm seems to have vanished. So sad ;_;
Oiaohm was tired of his poorly thought/off-topic/impossible to read non-arguments were torn to pieces one by one, and that his BS was called on being able to write anything (code or english) and mysterious NTFS bugs only him has ever experienced, and mocked to no end.I wish he'd post again so we can make fun of him some more.
"But I heard that under the bridge there exists a magical land where no one likes Linux and Slashdot spreads the good news of Microsoft corporation."You guys already followed Comrade Linus and Smelly Stallman down there, why would we want to join you?
Maybe he recompiled the Compiz Time Cube against DRI2 and experienced a kernel panic, ripping a hole in the space-time continuum spinlock.
Last night I followed one of hundreds of tutorials to make iPhone-style icons for apps using Photoshop (version 7 or higher). I can't imagine it being possible to do equivalent work in GIMP, but maybe I'll give it an honest try and post back here with my experience.
and mysterious NTFS bugs only him has ever experienced, and mocked to no end.In fairness, he might have been talking about the unrecoverable-data-after-exposing the-hardrive-to-high-power-magnets-then-setting-it-on-fire bug. Maybe he triggered it just to spite us all?Or maybe he's in a basement cutting himself after Miguel opened up that can of whoopass on him.
I agree with the view that the opportunity to establish desktop Linux is over.7RC is free until June 2010.Many folks have been riding XP, putting off computer purchases.Vista was rejected, by MS standards.Ubuntu was in, up and recongnized, with a deep pocketed backer.This is when the netbook revolution occurred.All of these factors should have been a perfect storm for Linux to make big gains.Linux, in the box from the factory, an option at dell, elsewhere.The result was instead huge return rates, companies offering XP. Linux effectively failed against this 7 year old OS. All this adds up to me as "over". The Vista repressed demand, the large numbers still using XP will get wind of 7, grab it, enthusiastically tell their friends, and that will be it.Over.
@May 2, 2009 9:48 AMYou forgot about the growing number of "Hey, Vista ain't so bad" people.
Yeah, Win7 is basically free for quite some time. Good strategy by Microsoft. Barring any unforeseen major fuckups, I will probably be buying Win7. Last copy of Windows I bought was XP in '04 for a PC I built. I didn't have to buy Vista (came with laptop), but I will specifically be buying Win7 as will many people. There's just no chance for something like Ubuntu Linux to make any significant progress between now and October. And once Christmas comes with all those new PCs and netbooks shipping with Win7 on them, forget it.
You forgot to say that Windows XP is being sold for basically nothing. If Microsoft started charging regular OEM rates for Windows 7 we will see how well that will turn out. Believe it or not the world outside this cesspool of a blog is a bit different. People are optimistic about Linux, much more then they ever were.
And people in the cesspool Linux world still haven't gotten that rational buyers don't shop on price.
People are optimistic about Linux, much more then they ever were.This blog pretty much drives a stake into the heart of that argument, no? There was nothing like this in the 90s.
Aside from the fantasy world that geeks live in, no one cares about Linux. The people on this blog are probably the only people who care about Linux enough to point out its deep flaws. Free prediction: the next huge Linux fail will be touchscreen support.
Hey Freetard, I was there tweaking OSS options and posting them to try and help make sound in Linux better. I was there when we all switched to "wave of the future" ALSA and had to figure out how to make both of them work reliably together.I was there when the pile of steaming crap called CUPS came out. Back when you actually got a manual for your printer that had the actual commands that would make it print in bold or italics or show you how to shift text up and over 15 points.I was there before Frame Buffer, I was there when you had to compile Mesa by hand and would get so frustrated trying to make it work but would laugh with joy when you finally got glGears to work.I was there when it was X11 and a black screen with a grey fucking mouse cursor shaped like an X and you had to dig through manuals to figure out what to do next.Nothing has changed. KDE/Gnome - you can pretty up a pig but it still smells bad.Yeah we harp about sound and printing and graphics BECAUSE THEY'RE FUCKING IMPORTANT ON A DESKTOP SYSTEM YOU BUNCH OF FUCKING GITS!Show me one truly successful business model for a Linux desktop and don't you even fucking talk about Ubuntu because it goes against everything that Linux originally stood for. You want to compile your own code in Ubuntu = giant pain in my ass.I used to be a zealot, then I grew up. The fundamental problem with Linux is the user base.
In fact they have at least 16 DE/window managers.And, I have to say that, of all of them, Rob Nation's original FVWM1 from the mid-1990s is the best one. Its MWM look is quite dated, but it allows me to very quickly get work done when working on code.I don't like Gnome or KDE because they try and pretend Linux is a Microsoft Windows clone, which is most certainly is not.XFCE was pretty good when it pretended to be CDE; it has decliened since then.FVWM1 pretended to be MWM, but was a better MWN because it has virtual windows. FVWM2 wasn't very good; without the lead developer working on it any more, it lost focus and direction.What happened was that Rob Nation worked on FVWM1 and RXVT in the mid-1990s, and then got married, had kids, and no longer had time to develop open-source software.This is actually quite common with open-source development; there's a great project, then the lead developer leaves when he realizes "fpr fun and for free" only goes so far in the real world, and gets a life.
MY LIFE FOR EMACS! DOOM TO ALL THOSE WHO THREATEN THE HOMEWORLD!!!PLACE STALLMAN'S BODY INTO THE DRAGOON. LEAD US FORTH TO VICTORY!!!
"Free prediction: the next huge Linux fail will be touchscreen support."And also voice recognition.
This is actually quite common with open-source development; there's a great project, then the lead developer leaves when he realizes "fpr fun and for free" only goes so far in the real world, and gets a life.The more talented the developer is, the more quickly this happens. Either his talent is rapidly acknowledged and shepherded into (highly) paid development or he's just smart enough to realize there are better ways of delivering self-achievement.It's the bitter, talentless, anti-social nobodies who stick around for years and years working on unpaid desktop stuff. They can't get jobs because their in-person demeanor is no better than the slop they spew on blogs and mailing lists. Employers are willing to burden themselves with hostile personalities if the work output exceeds the drag, but these are the guys who spin their wheels for half a decade rebuilding the same components over and over again, never really completing anything.
Window Maker was my favorite UI for years. Yeah, it was derivative, but it was sensible enough to become a 1-for-1 clone of a professionally designed interface. Unfortunately, the "whoosh" talented FOSS developer effect happened and we lost Alfredo Kojima to paid but less inspiring software like Synaptic and MySQL helper utilities.Between Mac OS X advancing the NeXT vision and competing desktop environments (Window Maker had one of those, too, to the surprise of many) evolving toward totally integrated packages, there isn't much room for Window Maker (and, truthfully, anything else not officially sanction by GNOME or KDE).This effective loss of choice is one of the reasons I left Linux. It was more tolerable when applications were independently built with GTK/QT dependencies.
More doom and gloom for Linux Desktop:http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2009/05/02/4160670.htmAgain, even if Linux was the ONLY OS with no Microsoft or Apple around, it would still fail. The bizarre model has failed. With no central authority (cathedral) and no directin (chaos), it's forever stuck in the bronze age of computing.
Is that a reprint? The article looks familiar.
Linux Desktop would be in really big trouble if:-Adobe stopped making flash for Linux due to downsizing(costs) and lack of return of investment, and refocus on OSX/Windows due to silverlight danger:http://tinyurl.com/c9gcedthoughts: If Adobe lost market share of Flash on Windows/OSX due to Silverlight, that would be a big issue since they hardly if any make any money off linux desktop userbase. Adobe can't afford to lose out being the standard in the 2 major OS desktops.-Oracle stops/curtails development of Openoffice except for Solaris due to costs/downsizing, or competitive leverage reasons?http://www.gnome.org/~michael/blog/ooo-commit-stats-2008.htmlthoughts: This would indeed be a big blow to Linux Desktop. Linux only real closest office competitor is needed more by Linux Desktop. Abiword/Koffice just don't really compare and are closer to MS Works 1.0.-Firefox continue to optimize only for Windows and OSX platforms:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=665000thoughts: It's no surprise that the codebase is optimized for windows or OSX platforms. Or is it really? What if the Linux desktop and all the hacked together pieces itself is the one causing slowness?Who knows. But it's a fact that Linux Firefox is indeed slow on comparable CPU Windows or OSX setups. Personally whenever testing Firefox on Linux desktops, I always seem to get the effect of slow DNS resolution on the same hardware. Weird.
The point's been made a few times that the world's most popular open-source browser should NOT perform poorly on the world's most popular open-source operating system. It makes absolutely no sense. What, then, is the point of the source code being available if a distro like Ubuntu doesn't tweak it to run properly?
"Is that a reprint? The article looks familiar."Don't worry. They'll be able to reprint it in 10 and 20 years with no changes.Video support will still suck. Audio support will still suck.Wifi support will still suck.Bluetooth support will still suck. Trackpad support will still suck. Touchscreen support will still suckACPI support will still suck.Speech Recognition support will still suck.Hand written recognition will still suck.Games (all 3 of them) will still suck.Support for DVD/Blu-Ray/CableCard/media center stuff will still suck.Apps of all kinds, beimage/graphic/video editing, movie players or what not, will still suck and be like poor clones of 1995's apps.It will still be a GCC-compiled archaic mess that sucks hard. X will still crash every 15 minutes, but you'll have a fancy 3D cube and windows that wobble!It'll still have 1.x% adoption too.
Why Windows 7 will never kill off LinuxCan't you just tell the article oozes quality from the strangely written headline?"No matter how hard anyone argues that "open source has a higher TCO," free software will always feel like it's free."Sure, until you realize you've wasted six weekends attempting and failing to reach feature parity with stuff you've been doing since Windows 98 or MacOS 8."Let's face it, not everyone wants to cozy up to one dominant vendor, Microsoft. We've all been through or heard about situations where Microsoft is forcing us to upgrade because they aren't supporting a version of Windows (or other products) anymore."Really? Cuz this sounds like Linux, where distributions are no longer able to execute new binaries after aging a few weeks. And Linux doesn't just force upgrade the OS, users are made to use new application versions, even if they include serious regressions. New Ubuntu and out-of-sync Flash, anyone?"It's the proverbial gun-to-the-head scenario -- at least that's how many customers see it."Who exactly are these proverbial "many" that feel a gun has been placed to their heads because they still have the option of freshly installing Windows 2000 with Office 2000 and receiving up to date patches? Is it because NT4, released in 1996, is finally unusable? Let's install Red Hat 5.2 and see how well patching that goes."And we are all waiting for the same [gun to the head] to happen with Windows XP to get us to move to Windows 7."Yeah, retiring decade old products is simply inexcusable. What was that about how 2000 era software still working, again?"This doesn't happen with Linux."HAHAHAHAHA."Want to hang on and run your apps on some obscure version of slackware or Fedora? Go right ahead, there's no one to stop you, and you'll very likely find the software's still supported somewhere in the community."What the hell is this guy smoking? No one to stop me? Linus Torvalds himself does his best to ensure nothing works except on the latest git revision. The community doesn't use mature software; they blindly install whatever updates apt-get tells them to. They have no idea how to run old Linux software because they weren't even around when it was current."There's no one dominant vendor to force an upgrade from you. Some will never put their IT systems completely onto the Microsoft treadmill."Yeah, instead there are twenty wannabe dominators acting like they're the only game in town. Second sentence shows once again how it's not about quality software but "fighting Microsoft"."Mac OS X being built on BSD, a sibling of Linux"This one's so wrong I won't even bother with it."The Linux and Mac crowds have banded together...many Linux fans I know and work with quickly moved to Mac OS X on Apple hardware for their everyday desktop or laptop."Yo, genius, this isn't "banding together", this is OSX replacing Linux, and for good reason: it doesn't suck. And what's with the Apple love? Has the author not noticed that they've released five updates, all but one for money, in the same span as XP through Vista? The first few OSX versions rotted almost as quickly as Linux: 10.3, released near 2004 was almost useless by the end of 2005 in terms of application support."If XP's so good, why didn't it already kill off Linux? That says it all. Nuff said."You said it yourself that people abandoned Linux in droves for OS X (but for some reason praised this exodus). During XP's too long of a reign, Linux managed only to fall further behind. People with work to do woke up long ago and moved to Windows or Mac OS as they both fixed outstanding problems. Meanwhile, Linux has claimed the crown of the operating systems people boot into for fifteen minutes before going back to Windows."And if Windows 7 doesn't wow XP users into converting, why would Linux users convert?"Great job referencing yourself to back up your argument, and I didn't think it was possible for me to respect your opinion less.-----But onto the main show. The real reason I linked to this article was to highlight some of the most extreme oiaohm-level insanity I've seen in some time. I won't even quote it, you'll have to see for yourself. Head to page five of comments and search for "Jim G". Sorry, but it appears direct comment linking is broken in this blog.
"But many Linux users have now banded together with Apple, strengthening their lines on both the Linux and Apple battlefronts. I guess this proves the old adage, the enemy of my enemy is my friend."Only truly delusional Freetards view software programs as battlefronts and human beings using a computer running Windows to do a task as "enemies". This is actually becoming scary -- mark my words, a Linux-motivated murder is not far off (reiserFS doesn't count).
From the comments on this page.------------By Jim G (not verified) on Fri, 01/16/2009 - 2:58pm.I agree that the guy who wrote the brain fart "Why Windows 7 Will Crush Linux" is way out of touch with reality.What I've been saying for 10 years, is all Windows had to do was put Windows on top of Linux, following Apple's ingenius idea to put Macintosh OS on top of FreeBSD.Then, quite simply you offer the best of both worlds. Linux afficianados, who aren't going away (Bill Gates should have realized, being a computer whiz himself, that there will always be computer whizzes who want to get their hands dirty and tinker under the hood,) but who also like to play games and run certain apps that aren't available on Linux, or perhaps who like to work for a living and who's boss is into Windows apps, would feel like they had nothing to lose with a Windows 7 that was a Winux.So you have conflict rather than cooperation -- corporate executives who *are* out to crush rather than out to go with the flow. And you end up with a stupid idea. Which Linux shell hack is going to want to learn a different shell all over again? (note -- I havn't tried or looked into powershell yet though perhaps it is very similar, yet somehow I am guessing it is not, because of MS's long held Us vs. Them mentality.)Why am I frustrated at Microsoft? It's because I wonder why someone such as myself with mediocre grades and a business degree from a mediocre state university can come up with strategies 10 times better than the validictorians who work for Microsoft who continue to come up with stupid ideas and strategies. And why they get paid the big bucks while I am offered by Microsoft to make $3 per month commissions selling Microsoft's online services. What's wrong with this picture? Does Steve Ballmer have so much sway at Microsoft that all the Harvard graduates that work for him have no choice but to be yes men/women?------------I can understand only the rant about not getting paid like the big heads at Microsoft. The rest it's too obscure.
Firefox 3.5 (which is included in Ubuntu 9.04) is significantly faster then Firefox 3.0 is in Linux.
Linux doesn't have to takeover the desktop to hurt Microsoft. All it has to do is drive the license fees for Windows down.
Linux is made by a person who is a self declared "git". Which apparently means a "brat". You learn something new everyday?
Hey in your opinions what does Linux need most (software wise) to succeed?
"Hey in your opinions what does Linux need most (software wise) to succeed?"Not sucking would be a start, but that'll never actually happen.
First of all, it must be possible to provide binaries which are guaranteed to work on all distributions now and in the future.
"But onto the main show. The real reason I linked to this article was to highlight some of the most extreme oiaohm-level insanity I've seen in some time. I won't even quote it, you'll have to see for yourself."Thanks for the link, it made for some good laughs LOL!The one that got my attention was "What I've been saying for 10 years, is all Windows had to do was put Windows on top of Linux"I don't care if Windows was built on top of magicpixiefairydust kernel. All I care (now that I'm older with 2 kids/house/yardwork)is what works and works well..NOW. When people like APlawrence leave Linux and go OSX, they are just validating the argument that LinuxDesktop didn't work out as a desktop OS. If you told me Windows 7 was built on Commodore 64 assembly code I DONT CARE! Normal people don't care what's under the hood, just that if a product works.
Only truly delusional Freetards view software programs as battlefronts and human beings using a computer running Windows to do a task as "enemies". This is actually becoming scary -- mark my words, a Linux-motivated murder is not far off.Yeah, this keys into the whole "join the revolution if you don't want to get hurt" ranting. I thought the whole thing was about choice. Even outside of computers, some people prefer throwing money at a problem instead of getting their hands dirty. Everyone is like this about something, and software is so complicated that it's that "something" for a lot of people. But somehow these people are "evil" when in reality they're just trying to feed their families and certainly not looking to join some vague ideological cause.Yeah, I could actually see some whacked out nerd taking some backwards-thinking revenge out on someone, especially if the target provoked him by declaring Linux sucked.
> Linux is for servers...Well, not anymore, at least as a home server OS.Windows Home Server slowly eats to " Linux Home Server" pie.Read Newegg and Amazon reviews about it, they are raving!After having two Linux servers at home for 3 years (one was for LAMP and other was for NAS) I have switched to WHS recently.The trigger point was the SUSE auto-upgrade hosing my servers again and again.Guess what? Now I have NAS without data duplication, automated full backups, and no-problem bare-iron restore.Bare-iron restore, dude!And no more endless tweaking in CLI with./configure and /etc files!I tell you: if your life is worth anything, don't waste it on Linux at home and just install WHS and get a life.Just for info: I do embedded Linux for living, I do know Linux inside and out and I can do my own kernels, my own distributions and shit.
Nina Reiser was the Microsoft of wives. Not only was she Russian and, hence, anti-freedom, she allowed herself to be purchased by Hans without the availability of source code. Therefore he could not bugfix her divorce() function. This clear GPL violation could not be tolerated and Hans performed the only logical action by killing the thread.There's ongoing dispute as to whether the previously mentioned GPL violation tainted the two forked child processes, but the United States government, in the pockets of Micro$oft, claimed authority over this intellectual property, halting the completion of Hans' justice.
Ubuntu 9.04 rantSo I ended up doing a network upgrade of my 8.10 setup, which was working absolutely fine... huge freaking mistake. I already knew about the Nvidia issues, and I really didn't have any problems with that; in fact, all the HD videos from my camcorders worked perfectly in VLC. Except for one problem - no sound! After some Googling, I found others with the same audio hardware from HP, and not a single person could get the sound to work, no matter what they did. To me, this is a testing screwup even bigger than the Microsoft level of quality we've been forced to live with... it's beyond sheer lunacy. I wiped it, and will try something else someday. Link HAHAHAHA
Linux doesn't have to takeover the desktop to hurt Microsoft. All it has to do is drive the license fees for Windows down.That advocates are content with Linux's use as a bargaining chip by the very OEMs they spend half their time lambasting speaks volumes as to their priorities.
@May 2, 2009 3:50 PMWhere have you been? Stop spreading FUD about sound in Linux. It's NotAnIssueAnymore(TM)!
"So I ended up doing a network upgrade of my 8.10 setup, which was working absolutely fine... huge freaking mistake."Absolutely hilarious.And freetards claim 2009 as the Linux desktop!What a bunch of luserrrrrrs!!!!!!
"So I ended up doing a network upgrade of my 8.10 setup, which was working absolutely fine... huge freaking mistake."Canonical probably wants to charge for maintenance...
Hey since there is a lot of Windows experts here if possible can you help me with a problem I have been having with Vista? I like the OS but I can't connect to wifi, everytime I try to connect to my wifi I get a yellow exclamation icon and the Internet doesn't work. Any ideas?
> Well, not anymore, at least as a home server OS.I dunno about the enterprise either ... At my company we don't use Linux in server rooms. IT guys told me it's a bitch to manage and backup on enterprise level and to the boot the RH support and tools cost quite a penny.
To the dude with WiFi problem: check your wifi router, the problem is there, probably.
No there is nothing wrong with my router.
If I had a dollar every time I heard that one.
Press "Diagnose/Repair Connection" on that yellow sign.
Regarding the WiFi, give us more information about your setup (wow, sounds like a Linux forum) -- type of router, type of PC or laptop, which Vista SP, is it pirated, etc.
I select "Renew IP configuration" and it just sits there for like 2 minutes with a "Repairing" window. However, nothing gets repaired.
Sounds like your drivers are broken. You might need to get new drivers for your wifi card.
To dude with wifi problem:first are you using a Linux router? >:)
From the above article:why kill something free?By wonderpoop (not verified) on Wed, 01/28/2009 - 11:33pm.Unless you are an avid gamer, you can't kill something free can you? I am not a gamer, but i know how to alot of things, and being able to convert a avi to a dvd without going out and spening $100+ for bloatware or $50+ to make sure you don't get a VIRUS on the your $150 OS. Instead I pay nothing for all of my applications.(I like surfing dangerous webpages without worrying about spyware virus trojan headaches!)----Uh, wow. I think we have a winner for the awesome logic reward. You can only kill free things if you're an avid gamer. Linux can create matter. Sign me up.
And that's another pet peeve, trying to find a Linux router with Native WPA support is like finding a needle in a haystack.At least pfsense beta has some native WPA support built in.Most Linux router specialty distros stop at hardwired and skip wireless/wpa altogether.
1. Launch GNOME terminal.2. Post the output of lspci2.5 Post the output of lsusb 3. ???
Fuck what do you think this is a Linux forum? Don't be a cheapass and go send your laptop over to Geek Squad.
To the above dude with Linux ThatWorkForMe(TM) without VIRUSES:To quote you favorite website:Once I went to Canada and found that the inhabitants there were heathens who spoke some sort of Mexican language and insulted my Wife with their leering glances and slouching, bad manners so I shot them to teach them a lesson that AMERICA belongs to GOD and people who fear and believe in GOD, not "canadians" and other taco-eating peoples who came from Mexico or somewhere like that. So it is not surprising at all that these renefgades from our LORD would copy things badly because most of them are illiterate because they can't even read BIBLES since the BIBLE (the greatest and best book ever writted) is in AMERICAN like everybody already should know from CHURCH. So why is Obama not stopping these terroristical Mexicans of the North? Probably because he is some sort of Italian spy, like I always suspectid.
"I am not a gamer,...convert a avi to a dvd without going out and spening $100+ for bloatware or $50+"HD-DVD fabdecrypter and handbrake for XP (both freeware), or if you have Vista Premium/Ultimate you can use Windows DVD maker which comes free."I like surfing dangerous webpages without worrying about spyware virus trojan headaches!)"Unless you're an idiot and click "YES" to everything that pops up this is not a problem. Or you can use sandboxie and run firefox in sandbox mode and click away.
Linux seems to specifically attract people with mental problems. Seriously.
Most Linux router specialty distros stop at hardwired and skip wireless/wpa altogether.Yeah, then they stop being "router distros" and turn into "flexible network solution centers" and insist on sticking with BusyBox even though the distro's size now exceeds standard flash sizes and needs to be put onto solid state storage, which is practically unavailable in sizes below "gigabytes".
HD-DVD fabdecrypter and handbrake for XP (both freeware), or if you have Vista Premium/Ultimate you can use Windows DVD maker which comes free.HD-DVD?! Whoa, dude, that's just not fair. Linux just got regular DVD kinda sorta working.Yeah, it's pretty much not even worth mentioning. Anything available in Linux that actually works will also be available in Windows and probably with a better frontend. Especially germane is InfraRecorder, which is just yet another cdrdao frontend but manages to be the best of despite its relative youth. AND HOLY SHIT IT HAS SOMETHING RESEMBLING A ROADMAP!!!And all this doesn't even get into closed source freeware, shareware, and other commercial software available on top of FOSS for Windows.
Anyone else not seeing the appeal of netbooks in general, or am I the only one?
InfraRecorder gets props for using an "I don't give a fuck" default Wordpress install as its main site.
I tried out a netbook for the first time a few weeks ago and thought it was "kinda neat", but I saw myself loosing interest in a few weeks. Besides, I had experience with something similar from Sony a few years back. It cost something like 5x what current netbooks sell for, though.On this topic, take a look at people's workspaces around the Internet. Lifehacker is a good place to see stuff like this. On every hipster set up, you'll see1. A netbook2. A closed netbookIf these things aren't a fad, I don't know what is. Since my first experience I've come across other netbooks, and they all have the same things in common:1. The desktop is "OEM bare"2. Software is rarely installed. If it is, it's, "Look, I can load pirate software that I'll never ever launch!"No one uses the things. People who say these things will replace traditional laptops are insane. Traditional laptops are the size they are because it's the minimum possible configuration with a workable keyboard. Unless you're a 13 year old girl, typing at length on a netbook will drive you batty.
Freetards Find New Way To Waste Time & Money
Awesome! I'm always looking for ways to relive 1987 and this "open source" video card is just what I need!
Linux is an operating system for fags.
Fags is a recursive acronym for Fags All GNU Source.
How the fuck do these ideas begin? "Man, the instruction set on the video card inside my computer just isn't free enough. Time to set things right."Seriously, what the fuck?
TBH, I think it's just a bunch of people getting together and making something that motivates these people. Like I new a person in college who implemented a 68000 with TTLs. Hundreds of hours of work. But it was work he enjoyed more then anything. Now the fucker is some senior engineer at Intel. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAtVEqNrT3wBAHAHA what a joke! Someone buy this kid a video card so he can shut the fuck up already
That's like one of those "impossible assignment nightmares": replicate an Intel Core2 Duo with only NAND gates. AHHHHH!
>I think it's just a bunch of people getting together and making something that motivates these peopleFair enough, but Slashtardia always makes it seem like there's some impending revolution around the corner with these projects.captcha: spown
Love the YouTube comment (think this is the first time I've said that):"Wow, it can display color! Still cant display pictures, so its more useless than an Amiga or Commodore."Hahahaha! Buuuuurn! You are the insult master!
Another YouTube comment:This is a whole new completely open source graphics card, and these guys managed to emulate VGA text mode, which is quite difficult.Give me a break. VGA text mode difficult? First of all, it uses the same modes as fucking CGA, whose entire programming you could write out on a dirty cocktail napkin. Second of all, how the hell can reimplementing ANY thirty year old (digital) technology with modern tools and knowledge be difficult?
I think it's just a bunch of people getting together and making something that motivates these people....Slashtardia always makes it seem like there's some impending revolution around the corner with these projects.Most "just for fun" people don't solicit donations, either.
I like the OS but I can't connect to wifi, everytime I try to connect to my wifi I get a yellow exclamation icon and the Internet doesn't work. Any ideas?Yes, you shouldn't download and run viruses. They have this way of borking your system, necessitating a reinstall of your OS.Backup all important files before reinstalling Vista.
To the dude with WiFi problem:Did you try unplugging/plugging the power to your wireless router?Or did you let APlawrence touch it?
Figures. AP Lawrence took your $300 for 20 minutes of "work", left things broken, and said you were a bitch Microfag just like his wife.
It's true! Microsoft once shot one of my co-workers in the face because he was still running Windows 2000 and Office 2000. He had received threatening letters from Microsoft when XP was released. They even sent some goons to bust in his knee-caps after XP SP2 was released. Then when Vista was released they just straight up murdered him.I also worked for a company that didn't upgrade to Vista and Microsoft murdered our CIO and several of our system admins. I remember having to clean little chunks of their skull out of my PC.This is why I use Linux. Linus never murders anyone because they didn't upgrade. Nope, he just rapes you.
From the main OGP wiki webpage.Traversal Technology will be able to fill its pre-orders and make additional boards available for purchase at a reduced price of $750!.WOW! I'll definitely spend 750$ for this crap. It's like the same price for an nVidia GTX 295 (550€, nearly 730$)and an ATI Radeon HD 4890 (230€, nearly 305$). Yes, this crap that could do text mode on DVI is absolutely awesome! Oh, and 256MiB of SLOW video ram? SUCCESS!But it doesn't end here. Oh god, we already have naming specs and a logo!I would really like some REAL alternative to only nVidia and ATI/AMD, mainly to drive down prices a lot more. The only vague competitor right now is Via with S3 cards, but those are just a pile of shit if you want performance (but are a nice touch for something low-cost and low-power).Also Via/S3 provides Linux support and open source drivers and tools. I heard they still suck, but at least it's something.And you know, even Intel provides open source drivers, but they get crappier every new release of Ubuntu, and it's not because of Intel or some OMG M$ CON$PIRACY.I'd really like some fucking good competition and lower prices, not some shitty card with developers that say it's too hard to implement technology from 20+ years ago.
Dude, naming and logo contests are where it's at. Don't be so hard on them. I mean IBM spent like three drunken weekends thinking up CGA back in 1979 or something so we can't expect freetards to come up with anything better even though the shadiest Mexican fab plant you can find kicks the shit out of the finest Motorola plant from 1974 and the fact that you can now emulate the entire fucking fab process in software. This whole thing reminds me of OMS/LiViD in that it was 5% product, 95% posturing.
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