Tuesday, May 19, 2009

Sigh

I feel like I've given this Lunduke fellow too much credit.


A challenge? really?

Let me point out a few things:
  1. You take yourself waaay too seriously. Imagine what a twat I'd look like if I went after every other person that talked shit about my blog. And just so you know, I don't fucking follow your blog OK? Some reader sent me the link to your video. He probably felt sorry for you.
  2. You clearly don't get the point of this blog.
  3. You also clearly don't get the point of me being anonymous. Do you really think I want freetards hassling me in my real life? I just want a place to voice my frustrations. It's all o'y'all that are having a hissy fit over it. Do you think I want dialogue? Think again lundude. I'm done trying to talk to freetards.
  4. Also, if you haven't noticed, freetards are notoriously terrible at separating an argument from the person making it. So why the fuck would I give them any opportunity to dismiss me just because of who I am or what I do for a living. 
  5. It's nice that you have nice balls. I still think I make better points. Also, I do it without wasting 30 minutes of peoples time by making them watch your inability to deal with xrandr.
If you want to make some points, why don't you write them on your lame blog. Then, if I feel so inclined, I'll write some stuff on my lame blog. We will make it impossible for our readers to follow. Isn't that how you freetards do it?

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Anonymous said...

Your f*cking browser is gay

Not mine, not ours. Maybe try here, seems more appropriate.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/support/call-us.aspx

or google

Anonymous said...

Why windows is the only OS in the world that needs 24/7 antivirus protection ???

I never heard or seen a virus in Apple or Linux.

seems curious to me!

well, honestly, it seems like a "let other companies struggle to fix our crap" business model.

Anonymous said...

"That's kinda' the pint of open source isn't it? A person or distro can optimize for their partuicular installation to make it run all shiny - but it doesn't and Linux hasn't. So, it'a a known issue on Linux platforms, it's known that it's able to b e tweaked to run faster in Linux, but it hasn't been done. It's open source right? So why haven't they fixed the problem within the distro? they've got the source right?"

No, actually, they don't. The Windows version has PGO.

You people are a riot. One tard carries on about how "they have the code" like an idiot when they do not, and pulls out the hoary IsntThatTheOSSWay?(TM), while another one one refuses to believe that Flash works on my Linux box. I ask "why is it the fault of the OS when 3rd party software sucks?" and I am hailed with retarded yowls of stupidity. I understand - Adobe's Linux Flash is a fucking joke, so I guess I'm lucky.

Here is a post from the Adobe Penguin.swf blog comments that pretty well sums it up:

"It's amazing how slow, bloated, and incompetent Adobe has become.

Lets see, it has now been four months of bugs, crashing, and regressions from this supposed “Final” quality release. We have submitted bug reports, we have made forum posts, and we have made blog posts all begging Adobe for some feedback ANY FEEDBACK and all we get is silence.

By the way Adobe, your bug reporting system is a joke, whoever said it is like dropping pebbles down a well was right. You have no way of knowing if your bug has already been reported, if there are known workarounds, if there is an ETA for a fix, etc.

So what is our current situation?
1. There was the h264/aac support added, it's nice that Adobe is finally giving up on their terrible on2 format, which has always had poor performance and was only chosen because it was proprietary. Too bad fullscreen support is busted and performance is awful so a lot of good those high-res streams do us.
2. DRM added. Do any flashplugin users actually want this? No. But who cares what they want, it might let Adobe sell a few more copies of their Flash Media Server to the companies that are still stupid enough to think it will make a difference.
3. Fullscreen is busted, as mentioned earlier, in multiple ways.
4. Performance has somehow gotten dramatically worse.
5. Crashes browsers like crazy, you can see an unlimited number of posts on this issue for any distro you like.
6. No v4l2 support, why? Who knows. Adobe seems to choose technologies with a dartboard.
7. Making flash GTK-specific. Leave it to Adobe to make their “cross platform” plugin (har har) more platform or toolkit specific for no apparent reason.
8. Processor support. This is just plain embarrassing. It's bad enough that the ppc platform isn't supported leaving old macs and current game consoles out in the cold. But how could they not support x86-64? These processors have been commercially available for FIVE YEARS NOW.
9. Flash drawing on top of html. This has been around for ages, and makes a lot of sites unusable. Adobe knows about it but won't talk to us or fix anything. Currently there is a race between Adobe's programmers and the sun, which will eventually go red giant and consume the earth. It's a toss-up.

I normally try to avoid the open-source/proprietary flame wars. But if there was ever a case to be made against proprietary standards, and proprietary software companies in general, Adobe is making it."
http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2007/12/flash_player_9_update_3_final.html#comment-1164933

So who is responsible for Flash on Linux sucking again?

Anonymous said...

Just admit that you lied and Flash doesnt work for you.

MaraDNS said...

OK, guys, skimming over the latest arguments, I have a suggestion for fellow Linux haters: Do not try to argue that Linux is not a usable server OS.

Linux is used as a server by many companies: Google, financial companies, cell phone providers, etc. People with RedHat certifications have a better chance of getting a job, even in today's job market, because a lot of companies use Linux professionally as a server.

As soon as someone tries to make a case that Linux is not a usable server OS, we have become just as closed-minded and fanatical as Linux zealots who think GIMP is as good as Photoshop or that a properly setup Windows system crashes every day.

We're not zealots. We're reasonable people who can acknowledge reasonable arguments. We know that Linux is a good OS in the server backroom (I'm not saying Solaris or FreeBSD isn't a better OS; that's another argument for another day). We also know that Linux on the desktop is a fail and that's where we need to concentrate our energy.

Anonymous said...

Doesn'tevenworkformeandI'msupposedtobeanexpert(tm) actually seems to be the rule. If ANY linux based based desktop environment is supposed to takeovertheworldjustlikewe doeverynightpinky(tm) it's got to be better than MS or Apple provide for 99% of desktop users, their apps have to just work, no pissing around with wierd config files, just work.

Why is so hard for 3rd party developers to write for "linux" there really is no such thing, they have to write for a small subset and then wait for the distributions to smile on them, wait for their app to be available and then find their source code has been stolen (sorry of course it's GPL that concept doesn't exist) and someone else is peddling their work.

So no native apps, just clones no-one wants.

The broader linux based communty really need their heads bashing together. Does the phrase united we stand devided we fall never ever get through?

Anonymous said...

I never heard or seen a virus in Apple

You are uninformed:

http://www.osnews.com/story/21331

But, whatever. I already know what the followup will be, so don't bother with your "But that's not a virus it's a trojan!" semantics.

Anonymous said...

VxWorks is as "Unix" as Linux. It shares syntax and conventions (like POSIX), but the guts are of no direct relation to AT&T or BSD.

Anonymous said...

I glossed over most of the "flame only" posts so maybe I missed it: who's arguing Linux doesn't work as a server? From what I've read, no one seems to have a problem with it forming a base for highly specialized apps like search engines and data crunching. Most of the recent arguments against Linux's usefulness revolve around fictitious platforms, like the Mars Rover and LCD TVs.

There's even some sort of social code here where people accept Linux's role in stuff like routers and computing clusters. That stuff isn't the focus of this blog or mainstream FOSS marketing.

Anonymous said...

I will argue, however, that while Linux once had a place in smaller businesses due to its affordability and flexibility, falling technology prices and more advanced competing products have all but erased its utility in the "general purpose" server market.

Anonymous said...

MaraDNS,

It has utility on a server as a component in a system of servers, but not as a stand alone server. So yeah, in that enterprise space of giant ISP's and fortune 500 companies it has a role. I just don't think it has a role in SMB's and certainly not in SOHOs. There are much better options for those users. It is totally inappropriate in those environments. Well except as an embedded system, on a router or NAS.

But all of that is academic... fosstards have proven themselves dishonest repeatedly. Its like this guy here today, lying his ass off, about being able to get Flash working on his computer, all while he is being a sanctimonious prick.

It is not like he is the first Fosstard to lie on this blog either. Oiaohm had a real issue with honesty as I recall. Others have as well. I suspect linux use is just a symptom in a broad range of personality disorders.

Anonymous said...

Don't know why I'm even bothering, but, anyway...

Why does it matter if Windows has closed source code for PGO and Linux doesn't? And I'm assuming this is even true. By now I wouldn't be surprised if I've been lied to again.

Linux has the source for the rest, the important part. Why can't FOSS fashion some sort of performance enhancing toolset with bazaar's "many eyes" philosophy? Aren't FOSS development practices supposed to be superior? Why are we leaning on Mozilla for improvements? Isn't this dependence anti-freedom? The reason for the FSF in the first place? Why is Mozilla's code so utterly useless as a method to add tangible improvements?

Anonymous said...

Oiaohm had a real issue with honesty as I recall.

At the very least they're deliberately disingenuous. Remember when oiaohm aggressively pushed some obscure packaging methods as mature, ready-to-go solutions to two decades worth of dependency hell, only to find that they were weekend projects abandoned years ago?

And his insistent claims that all workloads are the same, from HVAC thermostats to NASA super computers? All in the name of shining Linux's image because it happens to perform decently on both the high-end and low-end (except when 8 or 16 bit chips are involved).

And now we've got this guy still insisting "Mars Rover runs Linux" just because some component of the operation, probably telemetry gathering, happens to run some specialized version of Linux. Never mind the real Mars Rover really runs VxWorks, a logical choice for mission critical equipment. Maybe he's the "LynxOS is really Linux" guy.

.net jerkface said...

Mara DNS sez:
As soon as someone tries to make a case that Linux is not a usable server OS
Who has claimed that? Everyone knows you can run it as a server. Are you just making stuff up now?

Anonymous said...

Zealots;

Take a look at Visual Studio 2010 (or 2008, 2005, and 2003, for that matter).

You have nothing on the horizon that even remotely compares.

Also, you are still trying to catch up to XP, and Windows 7 is coming.

Anonymous said...

Real programmers don't need Visual Studio. They can write all their code in vim or Notepad.

Anonymous said...

VS2008 is really awesome, and I'm waiting VS2010 to come with the Microsoft MAPS subscription (it gives you all the important Microsoft product + tons of licenses for just 300-400€/year).

Then I use Notepad2 for the web stuff (mostly HMTL, CSS, Javascript and PHP, nothing Asp or Asp.Net). It's a really nice little progams, and with code folding extension seems more like a stripped down version of Visual Studio code editor (but without the awesome IntelliSense...damn I really miss IntelliSense when I work on Notepad2 ;_;

Anonymous said...

"Real programmers don't need Visual Studio. They can write all their code in vim or Notepad."

Yeah, i don't really get this "macho" idea of the programmer. I'm only an amateur programmer. I noticed that it's harder nowadays to be an amateur prorammer than in the 80's (especially if you revert to the FLOSS alternatives). In the 80's all you needed was a knowledge of BASIC for simple things, then asm for the real stuff.
When I wanted to do a bit of graphical programming the FLOSS guys on usenet sent me to SDL (wich by the way doesn't have a putpixel function, how uncool is that!). Waste of time. I'm not ID software, gimme a break!

The programming IDEs are very inferior to microsoft Visualc++, still the lie about this. Use Codeblocks! Use Eclipse! Editing manually configuration files to get plugins working: that's the definition of freedom!

With VisualC++ Express and Xna FLOSS guys have lost even the hobbiysts.

Anonymous said...

XNA Game Studio is not available on Linux. Looks like you can't develop Xbox games on Linux.

Anonymous said...

"Looks like you can't develop Xbox games on Linux."

YouDontNeedThat (TM)

All you need is openpandora.

My little tip on project names. Every time you see "open" or "GNU" in a project name, the project is doomed to failure. Openmoko anyone?

Anonymous said...

How's kdevelop4 progressing?
Does it have an equivalent to visualAssist?

Anonymous said...

Ok, non-freetard here. Until about a month ago, I was still running Xubuntu 8.10 x86_64 (which is utter fucking shit by the way, but you already knew that ;-).

So Flash was working for me. Somewhat. Linux had no good music players so I used foobar2000 in Wine. Due to fucking horrible audio quality in Wine when using ALSA I resorted to using OSS. Oh boy, that was a fucking mistake (all for just music that didn't make my ears fucking bleed). Flash through nspluginwrapper didn't work _at all_ if I had foobar2000 running when trying to use flash.

So I install the native x86_64 Flash plugin. To my surprise, it actually worked. Only that youtube and other flash videos were choppy as hell, but still less choppy than with nspluginwrapper. But at least Flash worked without sound when foobar2000 was running. Even more fun was that it required a restart of Firefox without foobar2000 running to get sound in Flash working, and vice versa for foobar2000.

Why can't these fuckers agree ON A FUCKING STANDARD API FOR FUCKS SAKE?

So a month ago I thought to myself something along the lines of "Fuck that shit" and reinstalled Vista. I fucking do NOT regret it. I pretty much had forgot that a) GUIs can look good, b) copypaste DOES FUCKING WORK PROPERLY and c) using computers can be actually fun.

Now I'm running Windows 7 RC1 and it just keeps getting better.

captcha: dectioni - some italian word for "fucktards"

ps. About a year ago (when I was 16) I was still all "ooooh my big dream is to have my code in the Linux kernel" but now my eyes are open. Thanks Linux Hater.

Anonymous said...

The problem with the XNA game community is that as soon as talented programmers surface there with even minimal portfolios the recruiters swoop in and hire them all away to paid gigs with NDA's. Its left a real brain drain on the community...

Anonymous said...

Yeah, i don't really get this "macho" idea of the programmer.I'm a 3rd year computer science student working for the summer at a branch of the Canadian government that really understands how technology can help to drive a company. Without Visual Studio to do my work I'd probably kill myself. Every other IDE is horribly fustrating, and working with no intellisense, syntax highlighting, GUI designer, code templates, properties editor, and SourceSafe/TFS integration in a plain text editor would be a colossal waste of time. People who think they're being macho by using garbage to write code have way too much time on their hands. That's probably why you see so many of them among Freetards, who most certainly have no problem wasting time with garbage desktop OSes and going on their internet crusade against all things Microsoft.

The problem with the XNA game community is that as soon as talented programmers surface there with even minimal portfolios the recruiters swoop in and hire them all away to paid gigs with NDA's.As far as I'm concerned that's a really great thing. XNA is a way for talented developers and designers to show the industry what they can do, and if it lands them a job in the process then all the better. There may well be a brain drain on the community, but it means their great ideas and talent is being put to work to make commercial games all the better.

Anonymous said...

@May 23, 2009 4:16 AM

But its bad for us untalented hack wanabe's;)

Oh oops, thats how I got my current gig;) Nevermind.

Anonymous said...

How is Eclipse inferior to VS? Here's an unbiased comparison.

Anonymous said...

You are uninformed:

http://www.osnews.com/story/21331

But, whatever. I already know what the followup will be, so don't bother with your "But that's not a virus it's a trojan!" semantics.
No, don't worry, I was talking about any piece of malware. But I didn't say that malware in linux/Mac OS is inconceivable and could have never existed. Just that I have seen 0 infection in Linux, 0 infections in Mac OS, 10E14 people with malware with Windows.

Kharkhalash said...

You idiot^3! ,
So, you refute the bit about baseless character assassination, with... Baseless character assassination! Well played!

Do you want me to produce more references about linux kernel design, QNX and RTOS? .

As i recall it was myself and a number of others who wereproviding resources and introductory-level CS pertaining to kernel design, Real-Time computing and where it's applicable and where it is not, how RTC works, what constitutes a RTS, what the distinction between Hard and Soft RT is, etc. Also, as I recall, there was no-counter evidence to refute the claim that RTC is an all or nothing endeavor, by nature of RT.

Do you want more references about the financial results of Microsoft and Intel?.

There you go again, addressing arguments that haven't been made rather than the ones which have... Intel and MS taking losses to gross income was never a point of dispute - What i pointed out was... a) Microsoft who clears upward of $3 billion of net income quarterly, is in no danger. And, b) The lion's share of the tech industry has been taking losses as well, due to the global recession.

I even provided a sizeable series of examples, specific, in-context figures and links to references - You attempted to refute with no references and vague out of context figures. You say "Red Hat is up 30%" - 30% what? Zebras? Cabbages? My figures and references clearly showed that RH was indeed up 30% in gross revenue, but down in profits (that means making less money than they were before, ie. taking a loss). You also said that google gained 3%, with no citation, and no context. the context being that as shown clearly in my figures and references, this game after a double-digit loss in the preceding quarter (for the mathematically inept, that means they took a large loss to income, which they have yet to recoup). You did, however, to your credit point out that I linked the wrong article for Adobe's figures, a mistake which I acknowledged and corrected, with the up-to-date article showing my figures to be accurate.

If you insist I might expose more of your nonsense once again.

You'd have had to have done it once to be able to do it again -

unless you're talking about the time you pointed out that I mixed up JFS1 and 2,which I acknowledged, although it did absolutely nothing to lessen the validity of the argument which was simply that the relatively new Linux implementation is nowhere near as robust, refined nor mature as the AIX implementation, which has been running on Big Iron production systems for almost 20 years.

Or maybe you're talking about when I said that Linux didn't have (working) pre-emptive multitasking until 2.6 (when preempt was merged into mainline). It was claimed that Linux was designed with PMT since the begining, only to come to light that, as I had said, it didn't actually work until the patch was merged into the mainline- Yeah, how absurd of me to suggest that a having feature that doesn't actually work isn't the same as a having a feature that works.

Or maybe you're taking about that newsletter archive showing that Linux's RT is, indeed tied to SMP, completely ignoring the fact that regardless of how correct that may be - it's off-topic, off-tangent and does nothing to refute what other-Anon and I were talking about, (general real-time computing, not Linux's non-implementation), where tying RT performance to SMP is a phenomenally stupid idea, given that the vast majority of real-time systems are embedded devices powered by single 8-bit microcontrollers.

Solaris is faster than Linux.
I used the words "Outperforms Linux".

(compares different kernels, .
What were you expecting? Solaris running on a Linux kernel? This isn't a Distro A vs Distro B comparison. these are different operating systems, they have different kernels.

Kharkhalash said...

compilers, .
To be fair, they benchmarked Sun Studio, which is designed specifically for Solaris, against PathScale , which is designed specifically for Linux on 64-bit AMD CPUs. The benchmark was done on a 64-bit Opteron system - Solaris won, despite both Linux's home turf advantage and faster DIMMs.

Studio 11 was also compared with PGI, which is a high-grade commercial compiler suite optimized for HPC, again on Opterons - Solaris won, by a landslide.

Of course the compiler benchmarks are just that - a comparison of high performance, highly optimized and highly specialized compilers, each optimized for the given platform (both hardware and software). I think it was a fair comparison, though I'm curious to see how GCC holds up on that test, given that it's designed for portability (and even with x86 as it's "native" platform) nor particularly optimized for any special purpose. And I'd be curious to see how ICC on intel stacks up - but the later two are general purpose compilers - You have to keep in mind that these aren't general use benchmarks, they're specific benchmarks for specific markets Solaris competes in.

etc, some tests on "same hardware".

A lot of the tests were done one the same hardware, or close enough equivalents, though again, these are specific benchmarks, for Sun's product lines, they'll benchmark their product for task A against a similar competing product for task A - this is sometimes Opterons, sometimes Sparc, though, you'll notice that in many of the tests, the linux systems are given system with more computing power (on paper) especially when they're benchmarking theit Sparc products (see the MySQL test for a good example - The Linux box gets Xeons with just under double the computing power (on paper), Yet Solaris/Sparc smokes Linux/Xeon (and these aren't even the high end Niagaras or Rocks) - Solaris/Sparc is designed for high performance scalability and throughput - SLES/RHEL aren't(or at least not at the same level as the former). The test clearly shows that Linux/x86 not only keeps up with Solaris, but scales at the same pace, until it hits its peak, Solaris keeps going, Linux drops like a rock. If anything, that particular benchmark reflects very nicely on Linux - didn't expect Linux to keep up for as long as it did - But it shows why Linux is used for LAMP and the middle-low end, (and even high end LAMP - where Solaris doesn't compete)where it truly shines, and Solaris used in the datacenter, big iron, and high to ultra-high end.

Higher end Sparcs and Oracle would scale much, much higher (as shown in the previously linked, record-setting benchmark) and that's exactly why I linked to this PDF in particular - it shows precisely why I don't think it would be surprising at all, if Oracle at worst dropped Linux entirely, or relegated it to the mid/low end product line - Solaris is made for Sparc, Sparc is made for Solaris and the datacenter. Oracle sells ultra high end databases in a box - It's a no brainer.

Kharkhalash said...

same good tuning"Given that the system specifications are not specified, and given that what was being benchmarked were enterprise solitions (S10, SLES and RHEL) these solutions tend to come preconfigured with reasonable, sane defaults. I have no reason to believe that the tests weren't performed with out-of-the-box configurations (with the exception, of the compiler tests, I don't know if the tested compilers come with Enterprise Linux)


Every single time I called you an idiot I was provably right.
So even you question the validity of your baseless insults, then? Lovely.

This isn't a baseless characterization of you, it's the only one that matches your pathological case of supporting nonsense just in order to make linux look worse than it is.

Again, you've offered zero rationale or supporting evidence. Why would I be hellbent on "making Linux look worse than it is"? I'm just being realistic, It's not as if i have an emotional investment in the products I use (hell, part of the reason I use an open stack from top to bottom is because I know better than to commit myself to a single platform).
I've said it a number of times now, I'm not arguing that Linux is unilaterally worthless everywhere, I've acknowledged many times that Linux can be a viable AMP/server solution - it just is neither my preferred choice, nor what I believe to be the best solution for the task, at least not insofar as I am concerned. I do however maintain that it is anything but a viable solution for my non-server related tasks - audio, video, graphics and design/publishing. As well, I maintain that it lacks the polish, maturity are robustness, as well as ease of maintenance of other platforms, but this again is personal preference.

If anything, you're the one making it look worse than it is by your over-zealous effort to pimp it up as being something that deep down you must know it is not - the best solution for everything. Your frothing-at-the-mouny-pointlessly-and-needlessly-hostile 'you're all stupid, fuck you' and it's-not-an-OS-it's-a-religion, vapid fanboy I'm-right-even-though-I'm-wrong attitude, and obvious emotional over-investment toward a software product does a lot more harm to Linux than I do.

Anonymous said...

"Just that I have seen 0 infection in Linux"

I don't have seen Linux computers either. The only Linux installation I came across was on my computer. Normal people as my friends use Windows. Here in Italy Microsoft has probably 99% of market share. MacOS is very rare.

If I were to write a virus, wich platform I would choose?

1) A platform with 90% market share
2) A platform wich struggle to get 1% of market share on wich is difficult to deploy a normal application, let alone a virus.

And even the most secure OS in the world is defenseless against social engineering, even Linux.

Anonymous said...

@MaraDNS,

I won't disagree that Linux does have merits as modified or standalone server boxes or specialized distros (SMEserver/Ebox/Clarkconnect/Gparted/Clonezilla). In those cases there is a good active team behind them, and they are focused on their specialties. No argument there. I used (and still use) many of those Linux distros.

I do think however BSD is gaining more interest, at least in the wireless firewall and NAS box appliance, pfsense, freenas, and monowall are all really great projects. I do hope to see similar eBox/SME server projects using BSD kernel. Competition is always good.

You are right however, and the primary focus on this site (as LinuxHater said previously) was Linux on the desktop. I don't think anyone reasonable here would argue on that.

We're just tired of zealots using the "we're used on supercomputers and topfortune500 servers" as an excuse to say that's enough to forgive Linux Desktop for lack of standardization ongoing issues.

Anonymous said...

"More nonsense by Kharkhalash here, this guy is impossible!"

You have yet to counter any of his points (as he's always spot-on), or to make any for that matter. You've only succeeded in making yourself look like a really stupid dumb fuck (well below the level of the average freetard) who's sickly jealous of Kharkhalash. That's not as dumb as mogo boy, but then again that's a world record in itself (much worse than even the illiterate oiaohm)

Kharkhalash said...

How is Eclipse inferior to VS? Here's an unbiased comparison.

Honestly, VS is primarily a .NET IDE, and Eclipse is a primarily Java IDE. If you're developing with Java, you go with Eclipse, naturally (or Netbeans, they're about evenly matched). If you're targeting Windows and/or .NET VS is a no brainer. If you're developing for Carbon/Cocoa/Apple's platforms, you go with XCode.

Eclipse sucks for .NET every bit as hard as VS. sucks for Java.

FTR, the little application development I do,. I do in VC# Express on Windows, and J2ee in Eclipse on OS X.

Anonymous said...

"Here's an unbiased comparison"

... by someone who really doesn't have a clue (and is only about C++ seemingly, so only covers a tiny, minuscule part of VS so hardly valid to begin with). VS 2005 PWNS eclipse, with VS 2008 the gap widens, and with VS 2010 there's no comparison to make anymore.

Anonymous said...

Well the difficulty of targeting Linux is due to its fragmentation. You're not really targeting the whole 1% but a fraction of that 1% or even a fraction of a fraction.

Could you even build a botnet large enough to be worth the effort? Given the user reinstalls like crazy you'd have a temporary botnet node at best.

Again, not worth it.

Anonymous said...

@Kharkhalash: ICC, not PathScale, is the performance king in Linux compilers. I doubt if Sun Studio (on Linux with Intel hardware) outperforms ICC, given ICC's sophisticated vectorizing/parallelizing.

Anonymous said...

@May 23, 2009 5:20 AM

I assumed that post was sarcasm.

And I have to disagree. The way you develop for linux is you test your application against Wine, and if it works you say "We support Linux!" but not because you expect any significant market from Linux users, but to keep the fosstards off of your tech support BBS.

Kharkhalash said...

@Kharkhalash: ICC, not PathScale, is the performance king in Linux compilers. I doubt if Sun Studio (on Linux with Intel hardware) outperforms ICC, given ICC's sophisticated vectorizing/parallelizing.Fair enough, but why on earth would you run Sun Studio on Linux, and on Intel, no less? Is Studio even available for Linux?

Sun Studio wasn't tested on Linux, it was tested on Solaris (AMD, they don't have Intel product lines), so it makes more sense to test against PathScale, which is specialized for Linux AMD_64.

I wouldn't count out Studio, though - It is, after all designed by Sun, and all three components, Solaris, Studio and Sparc were designed to function together as an integrated package.


I don't doubt, however, that ICC would smoke Studio on Linux, on Xeon, though - but that's hardly a fair comparison :p

Like I said earlier, though, I would like to see, and would be much more interested in, how Sun Studio stacks up both on Solaris/AMD and Solaris/Sparc, against ICC on an equivalent Linux/Xeon, though. Even if for nothing but shits and giggles.

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Kharkhalash said...

And I have to disagree. The way you develop for linux is you test your application against Wine, and if it works you say "We support Linux!" but not because you expect any significant market from Linux users, but to keep the fosstards off of your tech support BBS.

Why not test against Mono instead, and release only a SuSE .rpm, "we support Linux!" just to make 'em froth a bit?

Anonymous said...

For some embedded chips, Eclipse is the standard IDE.

It sucks beyond belief. Everything is so fucking broken, awkward and stupid, I just bailed out and used Notepad++.

VS, as an IDE (especially when coupled with Visual Assist), is so vastly superior to Eclipse, that there simply isn't any comparison to be made between the two.

Eclipse sucks for c / c++ development, end of story.

Anonymous said...

Nothing comes close to VS, for any language, on any platform. It's not just the code editor features like intellisense and such, GUI builders, server explorer and all those things. There's just a whole lot more to it, like for instance the debugging.

With Visual Studio, I can debug client-side javascript runnning in the web browser, the C# code that renders the pages, the web services called by the web app, the stored procedures it calls (running in SQL Server on another box), other code it calls which is written in other languages, code running inside VMWare virtual machines and so on. it debugs everything, end-to-end. It's even useful for debugging simple scripts (like vbscript and jscript), just call the script with //X as a parameter and it'll popup.

As usual, Linux offers nothing that comes even close.

As for Visual Assist, there are also a lot of other similar & related products, like resharper, coderush + refactor! pro and so on. And tons more of *great* 3rd party utils.

As for development in C for embedded (various microcontrollers lines), I use notepad++ too.

Anonymous said...

Emacs > *

Anonymous said...

VS is certified Hindu-friendly. Call us for all your CRUD development needs!

Anonymous said...

"Emacs > *"

Now, if only it had a decent text editor...

Anonymous said...

@May 23, 2009 6:44 AM

Emacs is the king of all IDEs, I am not even trying to be funny. If you ever watch a seasoned Emacs user work, you'll know what I mean. I have the fortune of working with a few, although, I use Visual Studio myself.

Anonymous said...

I'd rather use edlin than emacs... It's that bloody awful.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

I thought that Emacs / Vim wars ended a decade ago, with Vim on top.

But since development is a highly individualistic thing, who cares, everyone should use whatever they're most productive with (even because of retention - that's good enough).

Anonymous said...

Emacs may be a fine IDE if you first spend years to learn and grow an extra finger to be able to do all the keyboard shortcuts. Then spend a few weeks to setup all the scripts you need to get some features of other IDEs.
It might be powerful, but it's not easy to use.

Anonymous said...

It's easy to use if you know how to use it. Most people don't know how to use it correctly because they never bother trying.

Anonymous said...

nano ftw!

Anonymous said...

The thing is seasoned Emacs users don't write much code directly for their projects. They write some Lisp and Emacs writes most of their code. Lisp is a language well suited for code writing code, actually, that's originally why it was use in AI research.

Anonymous said...

These days, people who want code written for themselves use something like CodeSmith + templates, none of this emacs shit.

Anonymous said...

I'd rather use cat "code" >> file.c than use emacs.

And nobody uses LISP for real development; today it's little more than a toy programming language taught to first year CS students.

Anonymous said...

Many people use Emacs still. It happens that they aren't involved in the same kind of CRUD / LOB development most programmers these days are.

Anonymous said...

I don't have seen Linux computers either. The only Linux installation I came across was on my computer. Normal people as my friends use Windows. Here in Italy Microsoft has probably 99% of market share. MacOS is very rare.Here MacOS isn't very rare, it has 10% of the market share and growing, their users don't reinstall like crazy and it's not fragmented at all. Still 0 infections.

The whole concept of antivirus only makes sense thanks to microsoft.

Anonymous said...

I like how the unbiased IDE comparison is tagged with "Microsoft sucks". Sounds impartial to me.

Anonymous said...

"The whole concept of antivirus only makes sense thanks to microsoft."

MSBashing (TM)

If MacOS had the market share of Windows, virus would be virtually non existent, rrrrrriiiight?

VirusAreMSFaults (TM)
KidsClickingOnPorn.exeAreMSFaults (TM)
AntivirusDontExist (TM)
IfTheyExistTheyCostBigBuxx (TM)
YouMeanAvastIsFree? (TM)
AvastSucksAllOfYourResources (TM)

And the list goes on and on and on...

Anonymous said...

It's easy to use if you know how to use it.

Tautology for the win!

Rich said...

For anyone else using adobes crap linux flash implementation, the media files are here: http://blip.tv/rss/flash/2057606

Anonymous said...

"adobes crap linux flash implementation"

Everything on linsux has a crap implementation (thanks to its shitty development model and tools) and overall sucks.

Anonymous said...

You still use a IDE or Emacs? Pffff
What you only need is bunch of toggle switches. This is how the real programmers do their programs.

Right now I'm directly injecting electrons with my fingertips onto an ADSL line, who needs a modem or a computer!

Anonymous said...

"The whole concept of antivirus only makes sense thanks to microsoft."

I guess you're too young to have ever used one of the older homecomputers like Amiga.

Anonymous said...

Isn't the reason Windows doesn't have built-in antivirus that some EU bedwetters will accuse Microsoft of stifling competition and sue them?

Anonymous said...

If a large company with vast resources such as Adobe can't pull it, then no wonder nobody else is even trying.

In fact, Adobe should quit even trying to please them freetards and only release for Windows and Macs.

Anonymous said...

You provide a platform which is downright hostile towards closed-source developers, and make it a real pain to release binaries (too many distros, package formats, all the audio mess, different C libs now and so on), and then they go whine when the few companies who even bother don't release stuff that works 100% on their platform.

It's not just Adobe either. It's exactly the same when it comes to video drivers. And as we've seen on that side, giving full specs or source code won't please the whiners either, nor fix the problem.

Go linsux!

Anonymous said...

In fact, Adobe should quit even trying to please them freetards and only release for Windows and Macs.

I'm pretty sure that continued Linux Flash development serves primarily as a means to lessen the appeal of Silverlight. Even though we're only talking about, at most, 1% audience shrinkage, as was previously discussed, moving to anything less than the previous 100% is less than a lateral move. However, if Silverlight gains technical advantages, it may offer a greater value despite having less penetration.

Secondarily, it's possible (but probably unlikely) that Adobe has one or more high volume clients with a need for Flash in Linux and releases the results to the general public as added value.

Anonymous said...

I do think it might be in Adobe's best interests to hedge their bets and move to some sort of winelib solution (a la Google, Corel) if such a thing would save money. I mean, it's not like compatibility or speed can decrease, right?

Anonymous said...

"winelib solution (a la Google, Corel)"

They should also move to ndiswrapper-like for video drivers. It couldn't possibly be any worse.

Anonymous said...

I wonder how many employees Microsoft will lay off in Q3. I am rooting for 10,000!

Anonymous said...

Most likely, Adobe want to secure the embedded market - Android, Moblin, etc, where Linux is actually used.
Desktop Linux is not a target, I guess.

Where is mongo boy? I miss him..

Anonymous said...

In fact, Adobe should quit even trying to please them freetards and only release for Windows and Macs. It's funny when the biggest freetards and the biggest anti-freetards agree on something.

Anonymous said...

You provide a platform which is downright hostile towards closed-source developers, and make it a real pain to release binaries (too many distros, package formats, all the audio mess, different C libs now and so on), and then they go whine when the few companies who even bother don't release stuff that works 100% on their platform. You can't paint all Linux users with the same brush. There is no contradiction here. There are Linux users, "freetards" as you like to call them, who ACTIVELY and INTENTIONALLY make Linux "downright hostile towards closed-source developers". These people DO NOT WANT Adobe Photoshop. Then there are others who the opposite. You are mixing them both up like they are the same group.

Anonymous said...

"I am rooting for 10,000!"

There's probably 10,000 jobless lintards living in their mom's basements wishing so too.

Anonymous said...

And also the aims are different. You can be all like, "Linux can't win without closed source" or some shit. But there people say "Linux can't win WITH closed source". See they are trying to build a 100% free OS. If it's 99% they already lost. So yes they would live if Adobe would die in a fire and leave their pure platform alone.

Anonymous said...

@May 23, 2009 9:05 AM

And there are people who have jobs and who work for companies that Microsoft is actively trying to bankrupt who wish it too.

Anonymous said...

@May 23, 2009 9:03 AM

You're right. Unfortunately, the vocal might of the freetards have permanently tainted the image of the entire Linux community. Many defenders claim freetards are a minority, but I don't think that's true, at least not anymore. I believe Linux has shed most of its pragmatic users in the past decade, leaving the zealots and wishful thinkers. So, like it or not, you're in bad company, as unfair as it might seem.

Anonymous said...

If you knew the people that Microsoft was laying off, you would understand that Microsoft has been cleaning house, not down sizing. There is a difference.

Also, it seems rather... nice of Microsoft to clean house during an economic downturn so that the people get a year and a half of unemployment rather than the standard 6 months or so.

Also, Microsoft has a problem with their employees... The really talented people who go to work for microsoft wind up milionares after just a couple of years... So you get to be age 30 or so, and you own your house and you have a couple of mil in the bank, you arnt as motivated to go do the grind as much anymore.

But go ahead and delude yourself;)

Anonymous said...

Yesterday my internet was out for several hours. But thankfully none of the apps I needed were over the net on the Cloud or Whatever. TheDesktopIsDying(TM) ... sure.

captcha: logrod

Anonymous said...

@May 23, 2009 9:27 AM

To be honest what is so bad about what freetards think? We have billions of people who believe in a guy in the sky, and these people are considered "normal". To be honest the Church of Free Software seems like a much more rational church then the Catholic Church for instance.

Anonymous said...

"And there are people who have jobs and who work for companies that Microsoft is actively trying to bankrupt who wish it too."

What, you're afraid to have to compete? Cry me a river.

God said...

I'm going to strike you down for that comment! FEEL MY WRATH!

Anonymous said...

@May 23, 2009 9:34 AM

I feel the same way about the glassy eyed Christians who physically impede my path to tell me about their religion as I do about the roving gangs of Linux users who subscribe to Google alerts and arrive at any topic, anywhere that mentions the word "Linux" in any way, even if it's in a forum about cars or movies.

Anonymous said...

@May 23, 2009 9:28 AM

How do people become millionaires working at Microsoft? I don't think you can really get rich working for an established company, you need to work for a startup with stock options.

And Microsoft is doing quite poorly, lost 32% in profit last quarter, when Google went up 3%, and Apple, 16%, respectively.

Anonymous said...

I wish for more true competition to Microsoft's products. Apple is not real competition, it's not a commodity market. Also, OpenSolaris could have been a nice product, but with Oracle I just don't know what will it become. Will it be a general desktop OS, or will it become a free platform for low-end Oracle products? What about BSDs instead? Linux really can't compete in the same market as Microsoft, at least not if there are so many retards in the "community".

Anonymous said...

If Microsoft continues to lose profit at the rate they are going, it's quite inevitable there will be more competition, either it be from IBM or Oracle or Google or Apple or Intel or any of the other companies putting money into operating system technology.

Anonymous said...

Microsoft employees don't wake up in the morning thinking, "How many people can I make homeless today?" They go in thinking about how to maximize profit. Part of the overall strategy is to marginalize the competition. This isn't different from any other business, from Adobe, Apple, or saintly Google to the mom-and-pop florist who doesn't want to lose business to the other mom-and-pop florist.

catchpa: subletr, yet another solution to a problem no one has. subletr is new X11 extension that allows stacking of virtual X11 sessions so that one may run different desktop environments on different virtual desktops or even on top of each other. Imagine the power and choice you now have by being able to watch the KDE taskbar fight with the GNOME taskbar! Totally rad!

BUGS TODO:

* subletr uses the sole OpenGL path for part of its virtualization needs. This means OpenGL cannot be used at the application level, including Compiz and TuxRacer.

* subletr also does not fully recognize X11 video overlays, so Flash, mplayer, etc. probably won't work.

* Although subletr is not a true virtual machine, its performance mimics one. Remember when you clicked "minimize" in Windows 2.0 and had to wait a few seconds for it to actually happen? Well, we've brought back that experience.

Anonymous said...

@May 23, 2009 9:49 AM

I agree. But Microsoft is different from Adobe or Apple or Oracle whatever the fuck, Microsoft is in competition with everyone. That's why _everyone_ hates them. (Well everyone in a more limited sense).

Anonymous said...

LOL @ Freetards Last Hope of wishing for a billion dollar company to fail.

Anonymous said...

@May 23, 2009 9:48 AM

In the event that Microsoft fell into dire straits, it's far more likely that another big company would either "partner" (loan) with Microsoft or outright buy it. Writing operating systems is a billion dollar venture with commodity level margins. No one wants to get into this...that is, of course, unless prices rise.

Somehow I think freetards know this. With a dismantled Microsoft and a fragmented market offering partial solutions at higher prices, Linux would look pretty good, at least for a while. Five years later and the ten would be replacements will have whittled down to 2-3 highly functional platforms, prices would be back to normal, and Linux would still be fighting sound layers and forking core libraries.

Anonymous said...

@May 23, 2009 10:00 AM

Every big company thinks this way. You're just not looking hard enough. Here's a hint: check out what the cigarette companies are up to. Or, hell, even Google. They don't even hide it. This "do no evil" thing is a ploy to get your guard down as they slowly take over your entire workflow--just like Microsoft!

Anonymous said...

@May 23, 2009 10:05 AM

It's not about doing no evil, I don't think there is a single technology company with a bigger scope then Microsoft, they are everywhere, competition with everyone. The latest target is of course, Adobe, one they mostly left alone until ~2 years ago.

Win7 is from Bill Gates Rectum said...

Fuck Ubuntu, what a steaming pile of bugware. I'm a Debian user and enjoy this blog immensley. There's a LOT of shitware in LinuxLand as well and a lot of denial from Linux users about that fact. The average user is an incompetent retard and IMO windows is best for them. Linux is for people who actually understand computers rather than just use them.

Having said that Win7 is looking very promising but I have to wonder why a simple install takes 8GB when this Debian install with just about every different desktop imaginable, compiz, openoffice, virtualbox, Firefoxs3.0.10 & 3.5beta4 installed (I like seeing how different freeware sucks) uses 7.1GB.

There are pluses and minuses in each camp, but windows bloatware is getting seriously annoying.

Anonymous said...

And take Google for instance.

Google vs Adobe: Picasa vs Photoshop Elements
That's a joke competition.

Microsoft vs Adobe: Expression Suite vs Creative Suite (Adobe's flagship product!), Silverlight vs Flash, Visual Studio vs Flex, fuck even PDF vs XPS

Microsoft has every intention of bankrupting Adobe. Google does not.

There are many more examples. _THIS_ is where Microsoft hate comes from.

Anonymous said...

Adobe's core business isn't being targeted, just their comparatively periphery content delivery system. I doubt Microsoft has any interest whatsoever in getting into Adobe's high margin but niche market of print publishing software.

And what's all the fuss about this? Everyone hates Flash! Hell, before YouTube it was hated even more than Microsoft because nobody used Flash except to crash browsers with obnoxious ads. Flash only won as the de facto content delivery system because Java, AJAX, and ActiveX failed so hard, not because Flash's awesomeness was unparalleled.

Anonymous said...

Adobe's core business is being targeted with Expression Suite. It's a direct competitor to Photoshop, one of the best selling products. And Flash is a major growth area for Adobe, and that's being targeted directly. So is PDF. If you don't think Adobe upper management is shitting themselves over this, you are wrong. They don't give a shit about Google, their primary threat is Microsoft and Microsoft alone.

Anonymous said...

You got it backwards. Visual Studio's been around forever. Flex is barely past infancy. Expression Suite is not competition to Creative Suite, at all. No one in the print publishing industry is even aware it exists. Even dying Quark still has more mindshare. Fuck, even PageMaker on OS9. Expression is a set of tools designed around .NET and Silverlight, not magazines and newspapers.

And XPS? This is a "just because" technology. If you feel somehow threatened by this I don't know what to say.

Anonymous said...

And you can see this in so many examples

Who wants to "fucking kill Google" and has the money to it? Microsoft.

Who is getting into Oracles core businesses on multiple fronts? Microsoft.

Who is Apple's biggest competitor and they regularly duel on TV? Microsoft.

Everyone's major competitor is a single competitor. Except maybe AMD vs Intel: But you see, AMD _HATES_ Intel, and Intel _HATES_ AMD. Competitors hate each other, usually. And you see, if everyone is competitive against Microsoft, so will they hate Microsoft.

Anonymous said...

PDFs are not a growth industry. Their online presence has diminished significantly and for good reason. PDFs reign supreme in the print industry, and that will not change for the foreseeable future.

Anonymous said...

@May 23, 2009 10:22 AM

You are talking about _RIGHT NOW_. No one gives a shit about Expression Suite and Silverlight and XPS and everything. NO ONE GAVE A SHIT ABOUT INTERNET EXPLORER EITHER. Look what happened? From like 5% marketshare to 95% in a couple years.

We will see in 5 years from now when Microsoft puts it's order of magnitude greater development and marketing machine down, against Silverlight and against Expression Suite (both are complimentary products) if Adobe will still have an air supply. They might not be bankrupt afterwords, but irrelevant yes, like Corel.

Anonymous said...

Who is Apple's biggest competitor and they regularly duel on TV? Microsoft.

You really don't get it. Apple isn't targeting Windows users with these ads, they're targeting the "Not Microsoft" audience whom they've slowly swallowed up over the past five years.

Anonymous said...

Apple has collectively a much larger marketshare then "not Microsoft" users ever had since Windows 95. So don't give me that shit. They are directly competition against Windows, and if Windows 7 is any good it will fuck them up really nicely.

Anonymous said...

"Expression Suite vs Creative Suite"

Which both have somewhat different apps (e.g. no photoshop-like app) and diferent users (no one in the printing or photography business will buy MS' tools).

But in some cases, MS' products are better. I'm happy we have that choice now (or has choice become a bad thing all of a sudden?) Also, this means Abobe now has to compete on the feature set *and* price -- just like Intel and AMD have to. Or has healthy competition become a bad thing as well? If MS can offer us better apps for cheaper, then I'm all for it.

Every company is expanding into other markets like that. No matter how hard you try to make it look like only MS is doing it (or pretending they only want to kill rivals). Apple got into phones, and now wants to get into the living room and portable gaming, Google is trying to get into a lot of different things besides advertising, and so are all other companies trying to always make more money for their shareholders.

But it's not like you'll ever get the idea. "T3h M$ is eviiiiil!" is the only song you know.

Anonymous said...

>Win7 is looking very promising but I have to wonder why a simple install takes 8GB when this Debian install with just about every different desktop imaginable, compiz, openoffice [...] uses 7.1GB.

Try starting with things like DirectX and .Net then go on from there -- you know, the stuff that makes Windows a wonderful platform. It's not a collection of shitty outdated window managers, poorly implemented gimmick effects libraries, and ridiculously slow office suites like a full Linux distro install is.

hdante said...

There's no point in insulting the guy. Concentrate on your purpose.

Anonymous said...

Yes Google and Apple and everyone is doing it, but NO one is doing it like Microsoft is doing it. That was my point. I am sure Nokia hates Apple. But why should Adobe hate Apple? etc. etc. EEEEEEEEEEEVERRRRRRRRRRYONE hates Microsoft, though. Even Oracle AND fosstards, are in some kind of weird alliance, when Oracle stands for everything that FOSS isn't.

Anonymous said...

Um, Corel isn't really irrelevant. Marginalized, yes. You obviously don't work in this industry. I do.

I welcome another 5%-95% Internet Explorer scenario? Why? Because this industry tolerated lousy Quark and PageMaker products for the better part of a decade before Adobe finally got its act together. Now Quark's in its death throes and Adobe is free to languish.

Internet Explorer won because Netscape kept bumping the version number on its 2.x product lines while every version of IE was tangibly better than the last. Netscape didn't even have a product to counter IE 5; the entire organization was paralyzed by hubris and poor product management.

What's different about Microsoft is that they fight to hold their position. They're not like Quark or Netscape where they keep releasing the same product over and over again once they reach the top until someone finally catches up. They take their competition seriously. And look what happens where they don't: IE isn't seeing 95% ever again.

You can't view someone like Microsoft through the eyes of a helpless victim. Find a way to eat in this world or die.

Anonymous said...

"PDFs reign supreme in the print industry, and that will not change for the foreseeable future"

Well except that over the next year just about every remaining newspaper and magazine will go out of business...

Anonymous said...

@May 23, 2009 10:36 AM

That means local news will go down with the newspapers. Does this sound like something that will really happen?

Anonymous said...

It sounds absurd. But my local town paper just went under, and Ann Arbor lost their paper as well.

We still have a county paper, but that part of the county is culturally very different from this part, and they dont really cover over here. Detroit still has two papers, but I doubt those papers even know we exist unless there is a murder or something...

Anonymous said...

"But why should Adobe hate Apple? etc. etc."

Because they don't compete in the same market, DUH! Oracle probably hates MS because MS makes SQL Server (which brings a good enough DB -- Oracle's few extra features are unnecessary for most) at a much more palatable price. They don't like MS eating their lunch (tons of customers switching). If MS didn't make SQL Server, they'd be hating on IBM for DB2 (oh wait, they already do).

Lintards and freetards hate MS, because it's the main OS in the market. If MS wasn't around, they'd be hating on Mac OS X.

It's funny like companies competing with each other don't tend to be the greatest buddies eh?

Need I go on?

Anonymous said...

Apple has collectively a much larger marketshare then "not Microsoft" users ever had since Windows 95.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A59445-2004Apr7

"[2004] figures put Apple share at around 2 percent worldwide."

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/40398/113/

"[Net Applications] estimated Windows’ market share at about 96.4% [in October 2004]".

For the math impaired: 100% - 96.4% = 3.6%

3.6% - 2.0% = 1.6%

2.0% is not "much bigger" than 1.6%.

Anonymous said...

"In fact, Adobe should quit even trying to please them freetards and only release for Windows and Macs."

I would love for this to happen and with the economy, who knows, just might happen. Why bother wasting resources for a non-standardized platform with a hostile crowd. Just let them use Gnash since they don't do video/sound anyway.

WereStillStuckIn90s(TM)

"I have to wonder why a simple install takes 8GB when this Debian install with just about every different desktop imaginable, compiz, openoffice [...] uses 7.1GB."

Welcome to 2009, 1Tb of Hard drive now costs $79.00, 4gig of DDR2 memory is now $39.00, please upgrade your Pentium III or just use DSL (Dam Small Linux) if hard drive space is that tight.

Really, I'm sick of the APlawrence luddite excuses that PC computer hardware costs are so expensive. Yet these same people have no problem extolling virtues of purchasing a $1000 mac mini. WOW.
(not that there is a problem with mac, but these people are hypocrites and just hate MS because it's..well MS)

Anonymous said...

@May 23, 2009 10:48 AM

I work for a county paper that has a strong following throughout the area, but the farther reaches have the same types of cultural differences. I don't know what form the fallout will take, but, given the intense demand for local news (at least around here), it's hard to envision a world where there's no news at all just because a bunch of papers are going under. I might be out of a job, but somebody's gonna fill the void. Maybe online will be that much more appealing (and higher margin) once the printing presses shut down out of necessity.

Anonymous said...

Do Oracle and MSSQL server really compete in the same market?

When I think Oracle, I think banks, large shipping firms, you know the fortune 500 type stuff.

When I think MSSQL server I think... SMB customer database, shopping cart software, that sort of thing.

Is there really that much crossover in their markets?

Anonymous said...

@May 23, 2009 10:52 AM

There absolutely is a market for thrift store computing. When I was younger I would dumpster dive for computer hardware all the time. For some reason I even agreed to haul away some old mini computers (wtf was I thinking???) I know that now when I get a new computer, I pull the hard drive out and put the remains on the road, and it is gone in minutes. My garage sale of all that old crap was epic. I made a couple hundred bucks getting people to haul that crap off.

I think linux is perfectly suited to these old minimal computers. I want the new $800 (oh I know I spend so much money on computers!) every year.

But then the laptop status device affliction hasn't affected me for whatever reason. I guess if I lived in a dorm room, I would absolutely want a laptop.

Anonymous said...

@

Look at this 2 years old news.

Actually Microsoft is competing against Oracle on the enterprise level. It has been like this for some years now. I know MSSQL Standard can be limited in features, but the Enterprise editions since the 2000 have been really powerful. If you can just take a look at it, there are tons of features.

Also on an old news, Oracle accuses SAP of code theft. Now, in 2009, Microsoft is allied to SAP for a better integration with Office (thanks to Duet), and now I heard that MSSQL implements some Oracle functions in the query synthax. I can't confirm this, but if anyone has any news, feel free to post some sources. I like to back up my arguments with verifiable informations.

Anonymous said...

"But then the laptop status device affliction hasn't affected me for whatever reason. I guess if I lived in a dorm room, I would absolutely want a laptop."

I do like desktops, but when you have a Vista gaming laptop with an 8600gt video card, it starts to get really fun :)

You can play counterstrike source anywhere and anytime you want, they're like the ultimate lanparty machine all in one. Plus mine has HDMI, so imagine going up to a friend's house with a large 40" LCD TV, and popping in Counterstrike Source or Call of Duty. Fun Stuff, gets the young kids in awe when they see these games in action. :)

Anonymous said...

@May 23, 2009 8:32 AM
You still use a IDE or Emacs? Pffff
What you only need is bunch of toggle switches. This is how the real programmers do their programs.
http://xkcd.com/378/ ... enough said :D

Anonymous said...

It's not like Microsoft is so scary anyway, as someone else said, they are fucking doing horrible right now, when many of their competitors are posting record profits. Microsoft is a dead shark, really nothing to be afraid of.

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't call a $4 billion dollar profit "terrible".

Anonymous said...

http://xkcd.com/378/

Pfui, real programmers carefully adjust the anysotropies of the Universe in the Plank epoch to get the desidered result.

Anonymous said...

It is when last year they were making $7 billion dollars in profit. That's a massive drop. And as it is, Apple and Google posted record profits. The game is all about growth, and Microsoft isn't doing any of it.

Anonymous said...

Maybe they will make a come back.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, and maybe Linux will rule the desktop.

Anonymous said...

Microsoft isn't dead yet.

Anonymous said...

No one said they were.

Anonymous said...

Haha these are types of computers Linsux runs on:

http://www.jimmyr.com/blog/Antique_Themed_Laptop_25_2008.php

Anonymous said...

Hah that look like a computer my grandma would use WTF

Anonymous said...

Yep 80 year old lappops is the only thin that run Linsux lolz

Anonymous said...

------------Breaking News-------------

Today, Richard Stallman, also known as "rms", was convicted for the murder of computer programmer Linus Tolvards. When the police arrived an horrid scene appeared. RMS was strangling the already dead Linus body shouting at him: "You must say GNUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHH/Linux, GNUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHH.........".

Now, Stallmann risks a life sentence and the prohibition to use Open Sour.., ahem Free Software for the rest of his life. As an additional punishment the only OS he is allowed to use will be "Micosoft BoB".

Anonymous said...

Who would win in a fight, katana wielding RMS or chair wielding Ballmer?

brains: the name of a new fork of sed

Anonymous said...

Check out the idiot freetard who posted Ten Reasons Why You Should Boycott Skype. He replied to the vigilante in the comments section who saw through his shallow argument.
Read the pityful reply to the comment and how he struggles to keep at least some of his points. Read on for the comments, where he is destroyed.

Anonymous said...

@May 23, 2009 12:43 PM

I pick Hans with ReiserFS.

Anonymous said...

http://xkcd.com/341/ROFL

dredl: A Jewish gambling application for Linux

Anonymous said...

@May 23, 2009 12:27 PM

Sheesh, you really baddly need a clue.

http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:MSFT

http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:AAPL

In 2008 they made more profit than Apple made in revenue.

Also, Their revenue was off, their profits were not.

But you are welcome to continue to be delusional about the matter. I don't care.

Anonymous said...

@May 23, 2009 1:10 PM

But! but!! If the global economy continues to crash every year in a way that affects only Microsoft, they might go under by 2030!!! Open Source victory within most of our lifetimes!

Anonymous said...

@May 23, 2009 1:12 PM

When their ROI skyrockets in quarter where they laid off 1500 people, do you think those 1500 people were contributing that much to their bottom line?

So were they... cleaning house and getting rid of the crufty employees at a time when the emplotyees would get maximal unemployment benefits? Or was Microsoft downsizing because they are swirling around the toilet flush of irrelevancy?

I don't know, you decide. LOL.

Anonymous said...

So were they... cleaning house and getting rid of the crufty employees at a time when the emplotyees would get maximal unemployment benefits? Or was Microsoft downsizing because they are swirling around the toilet flush of irrelevancy?The second one.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, cuz systematic layoffs, especially when there's an excuse to do so are unheard of in the corporate arena.

Anonymous said...

One must wonder why Microsoft is hiring fucktards in the first place.

Anonymous said...

The problem with the XNA game community is that as soon as talented programmers surface there with even minimal portfolios the recruiters swoop in and hire them all away to paid gigs with NDA's. Its left a real brain drain on the community...As far as problems go, this is a pretty good one for a community to have. "Our community is so talented we keep getting hired, dammit!"

Anonymous said...

"Yeah, cuz systematic layoffs, especially when there's an excuse to do so are unheard of in the corporate arena."

You mean, if you are doing a job at a big company and your project has no tangible benifits (makes money, or could make money one day) you mean your job is in jeopardy??? Shocker. I thought American corporations employed people because they like puppies and pink unicorns, and jelly beans.

These big companies leave nothing to chance. When there are three ways to do something, and they are not quite sure what is the best way to do it, they do it all three ways, and pick the best one (the one that makes money)

The people I knew who were laid off worked in ED, and ran a blog to promote the xbox, and no one ever heard of their blog and they had no page hits. They got fired. Shocker... Major Nelson, apparently had the exact same job, and the kids liked Major Nelsons blog, and he still has a job. Amazing.

Anonymous said...

Looks like Linux Hater got some competition:

The Linux Haters Magazine

Anonymous said...

I agree with the magazine. Freetards is a bit of a misnomer, because people who actually respect free software barely exist anymore in the Linux community, their message is drowned out by millions upon millions of fucking brain-dead "Linux youths", who never even read the fucking GNU manifesto, and use Linux because "it awesome!!!!!!!!!!", or "not made by Micro$OFT LOL!".

Anonymous said...

I liked the pictures of the niggers with the KFC chicken.

LOL Linux Hater come on you can outdo these Linsux people I hope!

Anonymous said...

In a world of 2TB HDD drives, 50GB optical discs, and 32GB thumb drives people whine about 8GB of space used for their OS.

Anonymous said...

After all the praise about Win7 from everywhere, Linux Lusers have had little to rejoice about -- but ZOMG finally a story the Slashtards can masturbate all over:

http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/05/23/1733231/Malware-Found-On-Brand-New-Windows-Netbook?art_pos=1

Anonymous said...

@May 23, 2009 3:04 PM

Damn right, that's 8 GB less space for porn. Are you fucking stupid?

Anonymous said...

Let's talk about the Linsux magazine fuckers.

Anonymous said...

How can you masturbate to the same video twice? As such there is no reason to ever store porn on your computer.

Anonymous Insider said...

It's great that LH revived the great BSD v Linux wars from the 90s.

Good to know other BSD advocates are helping, linkThanks LH!

Anonymous said...

"Do Oracle and MSSQL server really compete in the same market?"

Yep. Even if slashtards love to make fun of it, it's one of the big 3, along with Oracle and DB2. It has a LOT of large, high-profile clients (big OEMs, large ISPs, large companies, governments, retail chains, etc) with LARGE databases reaching many TBs of data. It's really the very, very high-end clients (like walmart and their extremely high volume of sales) where it's not suitable.

MS is eating their lunch, and money-loving Larry Ellison doesn't seem to like that much!

But freetards would have you believe otherwise. Anything from ludicrous "MySQL is better" (major LULZ there), to Oracle just hates t3h M$ because they're evil, and god knows what else...

Anonymous said...

There is nothing really that interesting about databases anyway. It's amazing people spend so much fucking money on them. I bet there is a lot of bribery and shit going on.

Anonymous said...

Bribery and corruption is what makes the world go round. The faster you realize this freetard, the better.

Anonymous said...

"There is nothing really that interesting about databases anyway."

They're not made to entertain, they're made to store data and retrieve it. It doesn't have to be interesting.

"It's amazing people spend so much fucking money on them."

Hardly. You come up with something better (better performance, scales better, more features or what not) and you'll be billionaire. It takes a lot of manpower to write a GOOD database like Oracle/DB2/MSSQL (also, lower sales than say, operating systems or games) and the price reflects it.

Anonymous said...

I love that linsux pdf magazine, thanks for the link!

Reading it now on Vista

BTW, anyone know of a good BSD based webhosting provider with cpanel or directadmin?

Kharkhalash said...

Hardly. You come up with something better (better performance, scales better, more features or what not) and you'll be billionaire. It takes a lot of manpower to write a GOOD database like Oracle/DB2/MSSQL (also, lower sales than say, operating systems or games) and the price reflects it.

It's because people (freetards, mostly) have this misconception that all a database is good for, is for web site backends, which is also why we see a lot of this "MySQL is the best for everything" and/or "MySQL is good enough" nonsense.

There's a lot more to it than that, especially in the enterprise, when you're taking invoices, receipts, spending records, client and employee info and records, product info, etc, etc, etc into account, and these records are up in the millions of rows, and they're being accesses tens of millions of times, by thousands of clients at once.

MySQL may be good enough to host a random blog on a random LAMP stack, but such a blog is unlikely ever to have the need for it's backend and hardware to scale anywhere even near that high.

That's why there's a market for enterprise class databases (and that's why they're called "Enterprise Class".

Seconded. Make a database system with better performance, scalability, robustness, features, power and reliability that integrates into exisiitng (appropriate) stacks (Oracle DB EE even has it's own JVM!) and you're swimming in money. It may not be a high-volume industry, but it's certainly a very high margin, high profit industry.

captch: sutink - a utility for tinkering with sudo?

PlasticLawnDaemon said...

MS is eating their lunch, and money-loving Larry Ellison doesn't seem to like that much!.

Not so much, while MSSQL is a top tier RDBMS, by all means, and is doing quite well for Microsoft, Oracle is still, by far and large the runaway leader in the DBMS market, with 44% share (according to IDC's June '08 analysis), more than 2x the share held by its closest competitor (DB2) and more than DB2 and MSSQL (which is hot on DB2's tail) combined.

Captcha: Twivo - A Twitter client for Tivo.

Anonymous said...

"Not so much"

I didn't say they have the largest market share or anything like that. The thing is, they're selling a lot of licenses to now ex-Oracle clients. Clients seem to like saving money :) Larry doesn't like losing millions of $ in license fees.

For those wondering, Oracle EE "only" costs $47,500/cpu core (nevermind the expensive Sun boxes, the SAN, the support contract, the senior DBA wages and everything else)

Anonymous said...

@May 24, 2009 5:58 AM

MySQL scales extremely well. Just ask the Wikimedia foundation.

Anonymous said...

If Microsoft really starts to fuck with Oracle, Larry will use his government connections to dissolve Microsoft. He really is that connected. That's why no one REALLY fucks with Oracle.

Anonymous said...

@May 24, 2009 8:11 AM

I don't think your bank is using MySQL right now. It may scale well for some websites, but serving tens of thousands of banks across the globe with millions of clients it's not exactly easy, and MySQL is not suited for this.

One thing I learned working on databases for indutries and companies, is always looking for the best one at making your life easier. Oracle and now MSSQL have really powerful tools, and incredible complex queries can be done with just a bunch of commands: say, you want to ship 200 cars and you have to know every single screw inside them, you can with Enterprise Class databases that have dedicated query commands and advanced query synthax. MySQL it's not so advanced, it may scale well for some applications, but overall it's not suited for certain jobs.

As always it's better to know something before talking about it. If you don't know shit about DBMS other than tinkering with little PHP scripts, just shut up. What you do with websites and what you do in a car parts factory are two things completely different.

MaraDNS said...

Here is a perfect example of how incorrect facts gets spread in freetard-o-sphere:

About a month ago, the testing versions of Windows 7 Starter Edition had a 3-application limit. Well, Microsoft realized consumers didn't like this at all, so they have since removed this limit.

Even though this limit is a thing of the past, freetards are still claiming this limit is still in place (you can see the freetards go up in arms about this in the subsequent thread).

Of course, the posts correcting this error are completely ignored by the freetards.

I wonder how long freetards will go on and on about how horrible the now-non-existent Windows 7 starter edition's 3-app limit is?

This is almost as bad as the extreme religious right who still continues to pester the FCC for a petition they rejected in 1975.

Kharkhalash said...

MySQL scales extremely well. Just ask the Wikimedia foundation.

Hi, I'm Kharkhalash, and I don't usually do the CamelCaseThing(TM), but it's too early in the morning to repeat myself the obligatory three times, I'm pressed for time, and it was all of 3 posts ago, that being said:

FreetardsCantRead(TM)

Captcha: arsoney, like arson, but not exactly. Either than, or when someone burns down a honey factory. O_o

Anonymous said...

You can usually tell fosstards in that they prolly NEVER or spent very little time working inside a REAL corporate environment, or had very little responsibility. (APLawrence for example)

http://aplawrence.com/about.html

Fosstards usually like to think Linux desktop "has all the answers and solutions", but the truth is that it offers poor third party support and software not only for horizontal applications, but vertical as well.

Again without an enforced LSB or standard API, running on Linux is like playing russian roulette, especially come time for OS and security updates or switching hardware configurations.

Fosstards don't realize that business likes to have solutions yesterday, not 10yrs from now, and you always need to have a competitive edge over your competition or you fall behind.
They don't understand that people that work in corporate IT are given tough decisions everyday, and always under the gun to find solutions fast. Waiting for openoffice to integrate email will prolly never happen. While This was standard on outlook97, over 12 yrs ago.

You see not only does software have to work properly together, they need to have standards. By having standards, you create a market for other software and hardware like excel macros, PIM, outlook/powerpoint plugins, SPSS, Databases, Palm Devices, RIM servers, activesync, Pinpoint CRM, SPSS, Quanvert, Demographic Mapping Software, Projectors, GPS, notebooks, servers, scanners, corporate copier/scanners, etc.

Stuff that would blow APlawrence mind when you put him to the test. Hey APlawrence, can you tell me of a linux freeware that integrates with Access/SQlserver and does the same thing as Alteryx? Can you tell me of a active directory linux replacement that is easy to use and can disable USB flash drives on windows XP across all computers in the entire company using GPO across across all OUs?
They would absolutely shit in their pants when given a real corporate IT objective. You see that kind of software doesn't exist in bazaaroland. IT work is not just about fixing computers that don't boot or bad sectors or grub/lilo issues. IT work is being a complete solutions provider, something even Apple doesn't really want to get into, due to enormous complexity, support, and resources needed.

So when fosstards call you out, call them out right back with some real business scenarios and watch them freak for some good laughs.
They will never admit that Microsoft OS can do the same things as Linux AND more, not the other way around.

P.S., I've also used Linux in a corporate environment but OSX/freenas/pfsense/bsd work MUCH MUCH better and more reliable than linux counterparts.

Anonymous said...

"MySQL scales extremely well. Just ask the Wikimedia foundation."

Too bad it doesn't scale with query complexity, or doesn't have basic features other databases had 15+ years ago.

Basic features with MySQL are mutually exclusive, like decent performance on basic queries (that's all it's good for after all; you'd be using myisam) or other basic features like transactions (then you'd be using innodb). There's just NO way to have all of the basic features we've been using for over a decade using every other database. MySQL is a shitty database, a real toy. It doesn't seem to care much about data integrity either. But it's sufficient to store worthless crap like blog and forum posts. The ONLY thing MySQL is better than is MS Access (who doesn't try nor pretend to be built for the same purpose either). It's the Ford Pinto of databases. It's only popular because PHP retards can't wrap their heads around anything else.

PostgreSQL (and basically everything else for that matter) is a LOT better than MySQL, feature-wise (they're not mutually-exclusive) AND speed-wise (except for VERY simple queries on very small tables and only using myisam). And it's really free -- no dual licensing bullshit. Also, MySQL is quickly becoming a heavily forked nightmare too.

BTW, wikipedia might use it, but then again they make HEAVY use of page caching too, effectively serving static pages for the most part.

captcha: sugest. I sugest freetards off themselves already.

Anonymous said...

LOL @ the freetards on Slashtardia arguing about something that is no longer going to happen.

Anonymous said...

Well I can see no one actually knows anything about MySQL. MySQL supports triggers, stored procedures, views and all that fancy stuff, and it's SQL-99 support completely covers all that is queryable via relational calculus, meaning it is impossible to find a query that MySQL can not do. And yes, MySQL drives not just Wikipedia, but is the backbone of Facebook, Flicker and 6 million other sites on the Internet.

Carry on with the bullshit fuckers.

Anonymous said...

@May 24, 2009 10:04 AM

They always do this. For example YearOfTheLinuxDesktop™.

Anonymous said...

@May 24, 2009 10:38 AM

You then actually know nothing about other datbases or are a plain troll.

In any case, MySQL has a small percentage of the features of Oracle and MSSQL. What those two have over MySQL are functions not even mentioned in any SQL book, it's all custom commands specifically built to do complex stuff inside big companies.

And like I already said before, serving websites it's not the same task as serving banks or companies.

Captcha: ablate, something done to the freetards' brains.

Anonymous said...

The pharse "enterprise database" is a bullshit phrase designed to suck money out of pointy haired managers who don't know jack shit and need to justify their existence by high expensive technology purchases. That's actually how the "enterprise" works (ie: big fat bureaucratic companies). There is not a single Oracle or MSSQL install out there that couldn't be replaced by a MySQL installer and offer greater performance and reliability then these outdated, overpriced, and monolithic DBs at the same time.

Anonymous said...

Lite-weight DB: SQL Lite is better

Real DB: PostgreSQL is better

Anonymous said...

@May 24, 2009 10:42 AM

I know about PL/SQL and TransactSQL. You can do all the same shit you can do with either in MySQL since version 5. Nothing you are saying is relevant anymore. And MySQL is the fastest cluster-able database on the planet, because it uses modern technology and not 1980s technology. Oracle, Postgres and MSSQL are pigs in comparison.

Anonymous said...

Fosstards don't realize that business likes to have solutions yesterday, not 10yrs from now...They don't understand that people that work in corporate IT are given tough decisions everyday

Something else they don't understand is that IT has X hours/days/weeks to deliver something but only Y resources in which to do it. Every hour the solution is not delivered, the company is missing opportunity, which translates into a cost. While FOSS *may* be a solution, if it takes Y + n resources to deliver or maintain over the long run, the commercial software licensing price will seem diminutive in comparison.

This is a completely different environment than getting that free fileserver or media center working at your house in 20 hours instead of 10. Personal time is worth a fraction of professional time.

The uninitiated looks at the, say, typical $5,000 price tag of a small scale Exchange setup and freaks out. $5,000! That'll bankrupt people! Except that $5,000 feeds 64 people, and a business of that size better pull in the neighborhood of eight digit revenues if it expects to survive another year. But it gets even better. The $5,000 can be amortized over five years or so, yielding a yearly cost of $1,000, assuming emloyees (and revenues) don't grow. $1,000/year is 0.01% of the revenue of a $10,000,000 company...for a tool as awesome as Exchange. It's a freaking bargain for even minor companies, and that's exactly why Exchange has completely taken over corporate infrastructures.

Meanwhile, Linux fans are still messing around with OpenLDAP and Evolution on weekends struggling to match Exchange 4 level functionality. Had they been placed in charge of IT needs of a company, said company would have gone under due to pressure from competitors who invested in commercial infrastructure and could run circles around the "all free" shop.

Anonymous said...

Exchange is also a fucking pig. Do your employees a favor and use a groupware server like Zimbra which actually works on browsers other then Internet Explorer.

Anonymous said...

Microsoft said that Exchange 2010 will work on Firefox. Who uses Firefox anyway? Fucking freetard.

Anonymous said...

Um? Only like 20% of the Internet, you dumbshit. I'm happy Microsoft is starting to get their head out of their ass and actually code proper HTML, but it's too little too late. Zimbra actually costs more for many organizations who use it, and you know? They pick it over Exchange not because it's cheaper, but because it's much better. So fuck off.

Anonymous said...

I don't know anyone who uses Firefox, so stop your bullshit freetard statistics. You have no marketshare. Everyone uses Internet Explorer, like 99.9% because it's the best browser anyway. Fuck the EU too.

Anonymous said...

"The Internet" it's not a company. It's made by various users, and what you use to see websites it's not always what you use to see internal web pages or other shit at your workplace.

Anyway, I welcome you to this blog, when the Flashworksforme guy was gone we really were missing you little freetards.

Anonymous said...

Show me what company has deployed Firefox internally for its workers.

Anonymous said...

IT work is being a complete solutions provider, something even Apple doesn't really want to get into

I like Apple's stuff, I really do, but my blood boils a bit when I hear stuff like, "OS X Server is the best solution ever and beats Windows Server and everything else. OpenDirectory beats Active Directory in every conceivable fashion."

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Macs are great for their intended market, creative professionals, but Apple's tools aren't even at Windows 2000 level. Automated software deployment is nonexistent unless you count crude Remote Desktop hacks, and OS X Server doesn't integrate with Active Directory nearly as well as advertised. And, given all the management deficiencies, no one's gonna dump AD for OD. You can't even install approved OS updates without local administrative access, which is ridiculous.

And I really want this to work, too. I get pumped upon every new OS X Server major release and even point versions, but it consistently fails to deliver what it promises. It's utterly no competition for Microsoft's services infrastructure.

Anonymous said...

"You can do all the same shit you can do with either in MySQL since version 5."

Says the dumb freetard. Obviously you don't have a clue. Not even near. Using InnoDB, you have a mroe complete featureset (almost as good as other DBs had 10 years ago), but then you have abysmal speed compared to anything else (Oracle, DB2, MS SQL, PostgreSQL, Firebird and so on).

MySQL fanboys are the most delusional shit-for-brains I've EVER seen. They're sucking real hard on a dick-shaped popsicle made out of dog shit, and they keep insisting it's vastly better than every commercial offering. Yeah, OK... MySQL fanboys make George W Bush seem intelligent by comparison.

Cue the "Zimbra is better than Exchange" posts, oh wait... More jobless delusional dumb fucks who know nothing about businesses.

Anonymous said...

But why should Adobe hate Apple?Adobe DOES have Apple. Apple pushes a LOT of their own software on their platform, exactly the same way MS pushed IE. Adobe Premiere used to be available for Windows and Mac, but Apple strong-armed Adobe out with Final Cut Pro.

What you see as "everyone hates Microsoft" is really just business as usual for most companies.

Anonymous said...

@May 24, 2009 11:08 AM

You ever notice why the "freetard" posts increase over the weekend? Because WE HAVE JOBS. Go look up the pay of a MySQL DBA for fucks sake, you'll never make even to that much fucker.

Anonymous said...

The pharse "enterprise database" is a bullshit phrase designed to suck money out of pointy haired managers who don't know jack shit and need to justify their existence by high expensive technology purchases.

I like the persistent attitude that corporate management, even at most successful firms, is stupid and helpless against throwing money at inferior solutions. Never mind that virtually everyone at this level shares personality and management traits recognized to coincide with success.

AllCompaniesAreStupid(TM)

Anonymous said...

@May 24, 2009 11:08 AM

The MySQL database consistently scores among the top databases for performance, throughput, and scalability. The only DB that even comes close is SQLLite.

Anonymous said...

@May 24, 2009 11:15 AM

I wouldn't say "all big companies" are stupid. The ones that pick Oracle or MSSQL are, in fact quite stupid, because MySQL is a far better database.

Anonymous said...

Internet Explorer is the standard for corporate deployments. I wouldn't be surprised if Firefox is relegated to 2-3% in companies. Not that there isn't demand. Mozilla just simply refuses to make Firefox manageable for companies. The only option is FrontMotion's package, which is chronically weeks behind, changes in undocumented ways between version, and lacks GPO support unless you pay the guy to write a custom version.

Anonymous said...

I don't know anyone who uses Firefox, so stop your bullshit freetard statistics. You have no marketshare. Everyone uses Internet Explorer, like 99.9% because it's the best browser anyway. Fuck the EU too.LOL! xDDD. Love this cave of delusional pro-closed trolls.

Anonymous said...

"WE HAVE JOBS"

Good joke. You wish you did.

That MySQL retard sure likes to post a lot a nonsense. MySQL performance also sucks BTW. Again, unless you only have small tables, trivially simple queries, and use that MyISAM shite.

Normally I'd say "don't worry, one day you'll see the light", but in your case I think it's too late. You're doomed to be a failure at life.

Anonymous said...

@May 24, 2009 11:20 AM

Are you aware that these bloated bureaucracies boast the highest revenue per employee ratio, which is a key metric for measuring corporate efficiency? Guess those TPS reports are good for something after all. Software and equipment are just about always cheaper than labor, otherwise they wouldn't exist. If MySQL were really that good in every circumstance, it would have dominated by now. Don't you think companies want to save millions?

Anonymous said...

^ Excellent summary by the way

Most of these Linux lovers are going to shit their pants the first time they try and get a real job.

No employer during an interview wants to here about your bullshit. They'll ask you if you know how to work with what the company uses. Go ahead an spot on and on about the greatness of FREE OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE. Your zealotry is not going to fill your stomach, put gas in your car or pay your taxes.

And no, you can't going running to mommy and daddy to help you because that's when they'll realize that you're still basically eight years old in 21 year old body.

The real world is tough. Business is brutal and regardless of what Hollywood says things don't always work out for the good guy.

Unless they're really stupid you're not going to walk into a company and say, "But Linux is free!!" and convince them to switch. Companies exist to make profit. They have whole departments of people who research ways to save money to increase profit. Linux does not save money.

You know the old saying, "You have to spend money to make money"?

We have Exchange because it works and all of our sales people can get to their email, calendar, contacts, other people's calendar's/contacts anywhere...securely. If one of them loses their phone I can remote wipe it instantly. They all use a program called ACT! (no FOSS equivalent) and love it because it integrates seamlessly into Outlook and its easy to use because somebody spent the fucking money to hire a good programming staff to have it do that.

We also use Ghost, which has no FOSS equivalent, just bought 938 licenses as a matter fact. CEO didn't blink because its a tool to make the computers work which makes employees happy which increases productivity which helps the company MAKE FUCKING MONEY!

Gnucash, mysql, every wannabe exchange killer....you just don't get it.

Anonymous said...

mysql sucks!Partitioning is a new feature in mysql, and mysql is on par with DB2 and Oracle?

" * Bug #40770 Server Crash when running with triggers including variable settings (rpl_sys)
* Bug #37016 TRUNCATE TABLE removes some rows but not all"

???

Anonymous said...

"The uninitiated looks at the, say, typical $5,000 price tag of a small scale Exchange setup and freaks out. $5,000! That'll bankrupt people! Except that $5,000 feeds 64 people, and a business of that size better pull in the neighborhood of eight digit revenues if it expects to survive another year."

Not even. We're exactly in that scenario. But SBS 2008 Premium is more like $1900. That includes the Win 2008 license, Exchange, SQL Server, Sharepoint, WSUS AND everything else.

Or yeah, uh, we're supposed to do away with active directory and group policy by using shitnux, use a worthless toy database like mysql to hold our data, not use outlook but try to get by with whatever's the next best thing (notes?) and so on. All that, spending more than that $1900 in consultant fees for the initial setup? And then having to hire a guy to take care of everything? Or train someone to do it?

Freetards amuse me. We got a great setup, with file shares, email/calendaring and all, VPN, end-to-end integration of everything, active directory, group policy and everything else you can think of. The initial cost is ~nothing. Well below 0.01% in our case, and it's been totally hassle-free (it just works).

captcha: lepropre (theclean in french) that's what a freetard isn't.

Anonymous said...

LOL @ the "Linux users don't have jobs" bullshit. I think these slavetards are stuck in the early 90s and still think Linux is a "hobbyist" OS. Get a life.

Anonymous said...

Ugh, Gnucash, my vote for the worst FOSS "equivalent" of all time. I just love the people who say, "Why pay $500 for QuickBooks when you can use Gnucash?!"

Well, dipshit, for starters, Gnucash doesn't even claim to compete with QuickBooks. It's going after the Microsoft Money and Quicken crowds. Second of all, Gnucash sucks at everything. It doesn't integrate with banks or billing systems. It doesn't know shit about taxes or payroll. It contains basically nothing beyond a primitive double entry system that one could concoct in Excel. Its development pace is glacial; Gnucash is barely more usable now than it was a decade ago.

In a nutshell, Gnucash was written by people who thought a personal finance tool would be cool but don't have any actual finance experience.

Anonymous said...

@May 24, 2009 11:47 AM

Or so the arguement goes from FreeIsBad(tm) to OurShitIsFreeAnyway(tm). I'm glad Microsoft is forced to offer such cheap software products now. Maybe it will accelerate their bankruptcy. I can't wait to laugh when Windows becomes "freeware" (but NEVER FOSS! FOSS is EVILLLLLLLLLL) in order to compete with Linux.

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