Wednesday, February 3, 2010

They took our codes!

Huh. GregKH is complaining. Again. Big suprise.

Short story: Google uses Linux to create Android. Google makes some kernel modifications, in their own tree. Google has no time to deal with kernel community to re-architect their stuff so that it can go mainstream. GregKH whines like a baby.

Dude, get a clue. Seriously.

You can go on and continue to waste keynotes at conferences (yea, I'm sure the the organizers are super happy about that) to complain about people "stealing" your code. Waaa Waaa. Someone took my hippy license and took my code and isn't giving it back. Waaa.

Hello? Did someone not realize that Google is basically all about stealing Linux and "forking" it? Do you think that google server that you're hitting is really running bleeding edge Linux 2.6.35RC62? No, they're probably running some 2 year old kernel with their own patches, because they want to insulate themselves from upstream idiocy. They're not going to give you those patches, and even if they did, they probably couldn't because of upstream churn.

When it comes to Android, Google has done what the license asks. Make all the modifications public. If you and your rag-tag bunch of kernel developers want _their_ HOT new shit, the suck it up and bring the code in. It looks like they've even produced patches and sent you reviews. Don't like what they got? well, they're already doing more than what's required, so stop complaining.

You see, they've got this product to ship. And they've also got this competitor called Apple. You may have heard of them. So, yea, they _could_ sit their rearchitecting their interfaces so that some kernel dev which they don't pay and don't give shit about can feel like he's important... and watch Apple eat their lunch.

Or they could say fuck you guys. We're the one that's actually building something here. We'll get around to it, maybe, after we win.

Seriously, has this guy shipped real software before? And before someone gives the obvious answer, shipping upstream kernel releases does not count as "shipping" or "real". Just go look at the redhat kernel to see why that's the case.

Also, why go after google? There are tons of folks that do the same shit. They're just not as big. By doing so, you just look opportunistic and self-centered. Me me me me me me.

PS. I was thinking, maybe he should change the "staging" tree to the "hostage" tree. I mean, that's basically what it's used for.

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Anonymous said...

Wow, that was fast LH!

Anonymous said...

I love how they kick the Android code out of mainline and then whine about how Google and the other Android developers don't want anything to do with them again. Do these people know nothing about social interactions?

Anonymous said...

@February 3, 2010 12:39 PM

Their neckbeards and self diagnosed assburgers suffers, social interactions are not their strong point.

What is Linux? said...

Of course, it would make sense if... if... if anybody gave a fuck! What are the specific Google mods, and how do they pertain to an end user? How about instead of bitching, getting shit like OpenSync working?

Anonymous said...

There are individuals that modded the NES to it's limit, one of them even found out a lot of informations about the protection chip in authorized cartridges.

Yet the whole Linux community can't hack toghether a working desktop OS.

Who cares about the Android modifications. Even if they did include some quality code there's still a huge mess in the kernel and the whole ecosystem built around it.

Anonymous said...

2010 is off to a great start!

Anonymous said...

Wow are freetards finally realizing that Google isn't part of their GNUtopia?

Anonymous said...

OH NOES someone actually forked your crappy codez according to the vaunted GNU software license! Who would have seen that coming!?!

Anonymous said...

@February 3, 2010 1:55 PM

Yeah especially when the kernel devs act like asses to potential contributors.

yOSHi314 said...

LH, you missed the point.

google maintains their own kernel and releases the modified sources - that's ok.

greh-kh only complained that android-related code in the kernel has no maintainer. so it was dropped, because those are the rules of the staging tree (which contains incomplete, broken, initial code which is expected to be maintained and go stable).

microsoft nearly met the same fate recently, but they decided to help maintain their code.

btw do more research on gregkh before you post anything risky like him not releasing any real software, just because redhat kernel is what matters to you.

Anonymous said...

Didn't google say they recently went to 2.6 within like the last year and that it sucked for them since the new schedulers were crap?

Anonymous said...

greh-kh only complained that android-related code in the kernel has no maintainer. so it was dropped, because those are the rules of the staging tree (which contains incomplete, broken, initial code which is expected to be maintained and go stable).

And what compromising are the kernel devs doing to attract Google to even want to come back? It's probably costs them far less to just maintain their own fork than to rewrite and rearchitect everything just so a bunch of egoists on the LKML can get their egos stroked.

Anonymous said...

@February 3, 2010 2:22 PM

Yep. From here:

In the area of CPU scheduling, Google found the move to the completely fair scheduler to be painful. In fact, it was such a problem that they finally forward-ported the old O(1) scheduler and can run it in 2.6.26. Changes in the semantics of sched_yield() created grief, especially with the user-space locking that Google uses. High-priority threads can make a mess of load balancing, even if they run for very short periods of time. And load balancing matters: Google runs something like 5000 threads on systems with 16-32 cores.

Ben said...

LH, you are the alter-ego of Greg-KH. You can shut your trap about not caring, since you obviously subscribe to greg KH's blog. You are right in saying that when you're trying to get something out the door, some other things get pushed aside, like you home life and self dignity if you are a Rockstar California developer. But Greg-KH's main point is right: by google creating an "incompatible" API for android stuff, anyone else who uses Android is hard pressed to enjoy the same effortless upstream updates as Android enjoyed the day it was created.

Anonymous said...

@February 3, 2010 2:38 PM

Do we need to call the waaahmbulance for you and Greg?

Anonymous said...

If linux is so crappy why don't they build everything on bsd or plan9, huh? Huh? HUH?

Anonymous said...

@February 3, 2010 2:54 PM

When one is saying that "Linux is crappy" they are referring to the whole ecosystem. Android uses a heavily-modified version of the Linux kernel with it's own userspace. It shares pretty much no similarities to your little tinker toy distros like Oompoopoo, etc.

Anonymous said...

Wait! Wait!

I thought

EnemyOfMyEnemyIsMyFriend(TM)!

and

GoogleCanDoNoEvil(TM)


wahhhhhmbulance!

Anonymous said...

First it was IBM not doing Linux marketing and now Google is doing their own Linux kernel fork. Times are not good in GNUtopia.

Anonymous said...

@February 3, 2010 2:54 PM

They chose Linux for image reasons. It's easier to manipulate the imbecile FOSS community when you're supporting their OS. *BSD is mainly not used by GNU zealots and therefore not interesting enough.

Anonymous said...

They chose Linux for image reasons.

If that were true wouldn't you expect them to mention Linux in android commercials? All you see and hear is "Powered by Google" and no mention of Linux. Google knows that no one gives a shit about what kernel is running their phone's OS. It's about a phone that works and apps that don't suck.

Anonymous said...

@February 3, 2010 3:22 PM

No, this isn't about the public image. Of course they won't mention it in commercials. This is all about getting the GNU/Zealots on their side for free promotion.

Anonymous said...

I swear one of the HTC phones ran with a commercial where they had a picture of penguins as a background.

Anonymous said...

"Yeah especially when the kernel devs act like asses to potential contributors."

That is cruel to the reputations of buttocks everywhere.

Anonymous said...

@February 3, 2010 4:21 PM

Think of the buttocks! The poor buttocks force into the company of GNU/tards. We know that even the buttocks manage to bathe every so often. How there they be compared to the GNU/tards who refuse to pay their water bill (sticking it to the man) and don't bathe. Such racist sentiment!

Anonymous said...

http://www.forbes.com/2005/06/16/linux-bsd-unix-cz_dl_0616theo.html

Anonymous said...

"It's terrible," De Raadt says. "Everyone is using it, and they don't realize how bad it is. And the Linux people will just stick with it and add to it rather than stepping back and saying, 'This is garbage and we should fix it.'"

Anonymous said...

btw do more research on gregkh before you post anything risky like him not releasing any real software, just because redhat kernel is what matters to you.


No, LH is saying that Greg has no concept of a "release". If the kernel misses a deadline, oh well, you can't complain, its free.

Anonymous said...

When one is saying that "Linux is crappy" they are referring to the whole ecosystem. Android uses a heavily-modified version of the Linux kernel with it's own userspace. It shares pretty much no similarities to your little tinker toy distros like Oompoopoo, etc.


Exactly. Like Blackberry, Palm, Windows Mobile and iPhone, Google could have probably whipped up their own OS from scratch. They leveraged a few key pieces of technology, but its not like they're running Compiz on Android or anything, nor are they bothering to try and leverage any other parts of the Linux ecosystem.

Dr Loser said...

@February 3, 2010 2:38 PM

"LH, you are the alter-ego of Greg-KH. You can shut your trap about not caring, since you obviously..."

Minimizing your embarrassment:

when you're trying to get something out the door Use a shovel. Don't use Linux Desktop. Upstream or downstream.

like you home life and self dignity Yup. Both good for me -- with a small spelling correction, which doesn't matter. I'm quite keen on either one of those two. Kernel 2.2, perhaps? I might have missed the boat.

if you are a Rockstar California developer. Nitwit. A vanishingly small proportion of current Linux (Desktop) developers are rockstars (Jamie Zawinski, Miguel Decaza), Californians (well, I was one until they threw me out) or developers.

In fact, let's take that last one. Quote us a useful Linux developer who doesn't get shit from the "community."

This "incompatible" API for android stuff is just the way it's been for the last ten or fifteen years or so. No ABI/API compatibility. Them's the rules. Didn't you read up, before drinking the kool-aid?

Jesus these people are stupid.

Anyone else who uses Android is hard pressed to enjoy the same effortless upstream updates as Android enjoyed the day it was created.

I suspect that you are trying hard to make a coherent point. I'm not entirely sure what it might be. Anyone else who uses a bog-standard phone (who uses Android, hem hem) and just wants to use a phone as a phone? I think not.

If I want to use my phone as a multi-dimensional tardis-in-the-pocket, then hell yes! I'll check Android out.

Kind of doubt it'll have got past its Loonix origins, though. I mean, really. What the hell is the point of it? What's it's USP?

It's not even FreeAsInBeer(TM). Let alone properly free.

Anonymous said...

LH, you are the alter-ego of Greg-KH. You can shut your trap about not caring, since you obviously subscribe to greg KH's blog.


You realize that LH actually uses Linux right? He's not a "wintard" or "paid shill". So it would make sense if he's in the thick of development that he'd read Greg's blog! I'll bet he reads Linus' blog too.

That doesn't mean he must agree with everything anyone says on them.

Anonymous said...

A vanishingly small proportion of current Linux (Desktop) developers are rockstars (Jamie Zawinski, Miguel Decaza)

Even jwz woke up and smelled the bullshit:

http://jwz.livejournal.com/494040.html

Dr Loser said...

^Some people, when confronted with a problem on the desktop, think "I know: I'll use Linux!"

Now they have two problems.

Dr Loser said...

^Damn. I fail.

Choice quote from your link (2005, indeed):

I'm still using my other Linux machine to read mail and run XEmacs, but I'm hoping to wean myself of that eventually, one way or another. If all goes well, then in six months or so, the only Linux machines I'll ever have to touch will have no video or sound cards in them at all.

Pick the bones out of that one, Tanya.

Anonymous said...


If that were true wouldn't you expect them to mention Linux in android commercials


No the benefit from going with the Linux image is that you get the FOSS blogosphere to write thousands of articles on your latest minor edition. FOSS advocates hate the BSD since it allows commercial entities to take open source and turn it into something better.

All I can say is fork that fucking shit. Stabilize the abi and tell Greg KH to go fuck himself.

I've always wanted to see the Linux kernel forked and placed in the hands of developers that actually care about making a useful desktop. The GPL can be dealt with later. They can swap in a BSD kernel once they have exploited the FOSS cult for free advertising.

This has been a great month for Linux haters. Just wonderful. I'm going to drink a lot of German beer tomorrow and toast all of you wonderful haters. Let's keep the bad news going for the FOSS cult and maybe one day we can return to a time when software was a geek hobby and not a geek religion.

Anonymous said...

Have an Optimator for me.

Anonymous said...

No the benefit from going with the Linux image is that you get the FOSS blogosphere to write thousands of articles on your latest minor edition.


An analogy would be car companies who make a hybrid vehicle to get free press from environmentalists.

Anonymous said...

fuck the skull of alsa

Ok, so having acquired an 1/8"-to-RCA, it turns out that yes, the SB0410 will provide S/PDIF out. However, it has the same problem that the CMI8738 had, which is, I can't play two sounds at once.

This may be related to the fact that the only XMMS setting that will produce audio is the OSS driver; all other options produce "please check your sound card settings."

Even when XMMS is not running, Flash applets still can't make noise.

I can't believe I even have to think about this shit. What year is it again?

Dr Loser said...

Hell and Tarnation, I Feel Another Song Coming On:

Verse 1
A long long time ago (1)
I can still remember how that music used to make me smile (2)
And I knew if I had my chance (3)
That I could make those nitwits dance
And maybe they'd be happy for a while (4)
But Feisty Ferret made me shiver
With every download I'd deliver
Bad news on the apt-get
I couldn't take one NextStep
I can't remember if I cried
When I read about its worthless hide
But something touched me deep inside
The day that Linux died

{Refrain}

So, bye-bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my chevy to the levee
But the levee was dry
And them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye
Singin' this'll be the day that I die
This'll be the day that I die

Verse 2
Did you write the Book of Love
And do you have faith in Gnu above
If the Stallboy tells you so
Do you believe in GPL
Can Freedom(5) save your mortal soul
And can you teach me how to think real slow
Well, I know that you're a brain-dead nut
'Cause I saw you humpin' Richard's butt
You both kicked off your shoes
Man, I dig those MIT blues
I was a lonely, virgin worthless fuck
With a Desktop Linux and a pickup truck
But I knew I was out of luck
The day my taste buds died
I started singin'

{Refrain}

Verse 3

Now for ten(6) years we've been on our own
And jam grows fat on a rollin' toe
But that's not how it used to be
When Linus sang for the King and Queen
In a coat he stole from Tanenbaum
In a voice that came from you and me
Oh, and while Andrew was looking down
Torvalds stole his thorny crown
The kernel was adjourned
No OS was returned
And while Stallman read a book on Marx (7)
The dimwits piddled in the park
And we sang dirges in the dark
The day that Linux died
We were singin'

{Refrain}

Verse 4


GIMP and F-Spot in a summer swelter
The birds flew off with a Pidgin shelter
Eight miles high and falling fast
It landed foul on the grass
The players tried for a forward pass
With Torvalds on the sidelines in a cast
Now the half-time air was sweet perfume
While Vaughan-Nichols played a brain-dead tune
We all got up to dance
Oh but we never got the chance
'Cause Ubuntu tried to take the field
Reality refused to yield
Do you recall what was revealed
The day that Linux died
We started singing

{Refrain}

(1) 1991. Year of Linux Sperm.
(2) Before Pulse Audio. Obviously.
(3) Some scholars still dispute whether this "chance" relates to ten years of failure by Apple, or five years of embarrassment by Microsoft and Vista. No matter. Clearly, it's a chance missed.
(4) Unlikely. But you've gotta admire Shuttleworth's optimism.
(5) Subject to certain qualifications. Please see instructions on bottom of packet. Your mileage may vary.
(6) Twenty, actually. But I'm not going to argue with Mr McLean. He got there first, after all.
(7) Presumed to be the brothers Marx. It's slightly less embarrassing that way.

Dr Loser said...

Verse 5

Oh, and there we were, all in one place
A worthwhile Desktop lost in space
With no time left to start again
So come on, Mark, be nimble, Mark be quick
Mark knows better than to stick with it
'Cause oiaohm is the desktop's only friend
Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
My hnads where clumped ni ferts reggae
No gannet held in Barnes
Clod bark tard Stallman's spell
And as flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite
I saw Ballmer laughing with delight
The day that Linux died
He was singing

{Refrain}

Verse 6


I met Tanya who sang the blues
And I asked her for some happy news
But he just waved his genitals
I downloaded the yellow stream
Where I'd grabbed the Distro years before (8)
But the man there said the Distro wouldn't play (9)

And in the streets the children screamed (10)
The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed
But not a word was spoken
The desktop all was broken
And the three men I admire most
Ed Dijkstra, Knuth and Turing's Ghost
They caught the last train for the coast
The day that Linux died
And they were singin'

{Refrain}

Bye-bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my chevy to the levy
But the levy was dry
And them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye
Singing this'll be the day that I die

They were singin'
Bye-bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my chevy to the levy
But the levy was dry
And them good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye
Singing this'll be the day that I die.


(8) Might be Debian. Might be SlackWare. Who really knows or cares?
(9) Something to do with PulseAudio, apparently. It'll be fixed in the next release.
(10) Your fault, Tanya. Be more discreet next time.

Anonymous said...

lol nice one.

Anonymous said...

I laughed quite heartily.

AntiFundies said...

What a loser. Kroah's diaper must be full.

Anonymous said...

So what you're saying is that the honeymoon with Google is over then?

Anonymous said...

So what you're saying is that the honeymoon with Google is over then?


I'm interested to hear what Queefer and SnickerDouche have to say about this.

Anonymous said...

Not sure how I ended up at this blog, but I would have to imagine it's written and populated my teenagers. Probably the fact that it's a blog. I would encourage all of you to familiarize yourselves with the various F/OSS licenses. Also, other than the technical jargon in the licenses, try to understand the point. Let me give u the "gist" of it, which is probably something you'll all learn eventually. Contribute, Work, Etc. No one (and trust me when I say NO ONE) cares what you have to say. Unless you are helping out in some way, you and you're opinions are worthless and are more than likely just in the way. This is true for the software community and the rest of the world.

Anonymous said...

No one (and trust me when I say NO ONE) cares what you have to say. Unless you are helping out in some way, you and you're opinions are worthless and are more than likely just in the way. This is true for the software community and the rest of the world.


So what you're saying is, the opinions of all the freetards who install linux, toodle around with it, accomplish exactly nothing with it, and contribute nothing to it are worthless?

Welcome to our world.

PS: We understand the licenses very well, several of us here maintain our own open source projects.

Anonymous said...

"PS: We understand the licenses very well, several of us here maintain our own open source projects."

And are the reason why I refuse to install Linux, cause it thinks I need 10 of everything cause retards like you love reinventing the wheel instead of working on something that is good to give people a useful alternative.

Anonymous said...

I just love it.

Years and years I've heard how Google "uses Linux" and "loves FOSS".

And now they just give a big fuck you to the zealots.

And these morons probably really thought that multinational corporations give a flying fuck about their politics and ideology.

Anonymous said...

Another thing, as Linux now has all these corporate overloads, it is guaranteed that the shit comes trembling down one day. The history repeats itself. But instead of "UNIX wars" we have "Linux wars", and it won't be this "community" that wins.

Anonymous said...

The funny thing is that, when you are against Linux, the zealots think that you are against FOSS/OSS as a whole.

Sorry, but some of us contributed to, developed, maintained and released open source software. Much like many of us use open source software everyday, at home and/or at work.

We know what a mess the bazaar developement model is, we know how crappy the GPL is, we know that in the real word users don't care about filing bug reports or submitting patches.

I bet some of us haters are even older than Unix itself.

Yet you zealots come here, trying to give us a "lesson", like we don't know what it's really like. Hell we know what it's like, we were in it for fuck's sake! I used to "preach & convert" many friends to Linux when I was just like you. Fortunately I saw the light at the end of the tunnel, and I'm now out of all this crap in Linuxland.

Considering my statement about Linux, I was referring about the whole ecosystem (in fact I wrote that very word in my post, mind you). Linux as a kernel has it's uses, especially if you modify it to suit your needs (like everyone does in the computer industry). The ecosystem built around the Linux kernel is mostly duplicated crap. There are some projects of interest for me, but those same projects are a) maintained by actual companies, and b) available on other platforms (most notably *BSD and OpenSolaris). I don't care if it's open source or closed source, I'm fine as long as it fills my needs and doesn't suck.

Quality is way more important than price.

Anonymous said...

Typical GNU/Tard:

"You mean some company took the usefull pieces of our OS, removed the crap pieces, and then made a usable product out of it? How dare they!"

Do freetards really think that things like X, Compiz and Pulseaudio exist in Android? Yeah right. Google just took from the linux project some code they found kinda useful, put it in their product, and that's all about it.

Anyway, isn't GNU supposed to be all about encouraging people to experiment and modify their software?

Google did what it was supposed to. They made a modification of the product and released the source. Just like the fucking G, P and L says. So, having GNUtards whine about it is like stabbing your partner in the back.

-As regards to why they didn't gave the modifications back to the main linux project:
Firstly, they modifications are publicly available, so any GNutard can port the code back into the main linux project anytime he wants (instead of spending all day whining) and

Secondly, getting your suggested modifications intergated into the main linux project can sometimes be a huge challenge. Maintainers are bitches. Retarded bitches. Period. They have their own 'cult' when it comes to what's good and what's not. They think X is cool. Pulse Audio (with it's awesome alsa emu layer), cool.
Good luck getting quality code through those guys.

So, google just put 2+2 together and realised it didn't make much sense to ask the permision of those bitches everytime they wanted to upgrade/change even the tiniest thing in their product, just to boost some GNutard egos. So they forked. Good for them.

And, as a reminder, remember when Firefox was a not-to-much respected fork of Mozilla?

Now that the original Mozilla project tanked, everyone is happy that Firefox exists. Just imagine if this fork was never made, and the devs that made Firefox had to post their code over and over in the main Mozzila project, in the vain hope some day it will get approved.
All those innovations Firefox introduced wouldn't exist (they wouldn't have been approved by the bitches at main) and Firefox wouldn't exist.

Remember my words Freetards: When Android becomes your poster child, everyone will be glad Google forked it. Android just found it's way on netbooks, and users love it (they still hate ubuntu).
It just shows that if you want to contribute to FSS, you don't have to listen to them too much

Anonymous said...

Symbian is gonna be open sourced very soon

Symbian sucks, it's not Linux. Android FTW!

Anonymous said...

Now that the original Mozilla project tanked, everyone is happy that Firefox exists. Just imagine if this fork was never made, and the devs that made Firefox had to post their code over and over in the main Mozzila project, in the vain hope some day it will get approved.
All those innovations Firefox introduced wouldn't exist (they wouldn't have been approved by the bitches at main) and Firefox wouldn't exist.



That's a really good point!

Imagine if Apple had needed to wait for approval on their changes to BSD to make it OSX. Thankfully, the BSD lic simply dictates that you have to give credit to the original authors.

Anonymous said...

"PS: We understand the licenses very well, several of us here maintain our own open source projects."

And are the reason why I refuse to install Linux, cause it thinks I need 10 of everything cause retards like you love reinventing the wheel instead of working on something that is good to give people a useful alternative.



I don't see how Django "apps" (plugins) that I've hosted on Google Code constitute reinventing the wheel. I released them specifically because there was no alternative.

This has nothing to do with Linux or application overlap. I was explaining to the guy that I know what the licenses mean.

Anonymous said...

trust me when I say NO ONE) cares what you have to say

You know if you assholes were upfront about this there'd be no problem. Instead, what's really going on is there are a bunch of FOSS coder guilds, like you say, but the marketing says that everyone will gain freedom just from installing Linux. Have a problem? Found a bug? Just submit it to a tracker or IRC channel. You can talk directly to the developers and they're totally ecstatic to be hearing your problems. Did we mention this support is 100% free?

So, yeah, your statement falls flat on its face. If there's anything you non-freedom fighters should be battling, it's your own inept marketing. Fuck, you guys are so blind you claim it doesn't exist. How many times weekly do we hear "Linux has no marketing" when the reality is the rest of the world is scratching their heads over the inexplicable strength of Linux's grassroots campaigns. Every movie producer in Hollywood would love to have Linux's "no marketing".

Anonymous said...

@February 3, 2010 10:44 PM

So if you don't care what we say, why are you panties all in a twist over what we say?

Anonymous said...

So if you don't care what we say, why are you panties all in a twist over what we say?

Because you pollute the fuckin internet with your lies!

Here, most of LH readers have gained the necessary experience and talent to be able to see right through your lies.

But there are other users out there who lack the experience and the bullshit-detection capabilites to see beyond such TMs like OneBugReportToGetItFixed(TM), LinuxIsAwesomeAndFree(TM), WeHaveAnAlternativeForEveryPropietaryPackage(TM) and all the other BS you spread on the internet.

See there are high chances that -after reading all this freetard-generated BS- some newcomer user out there will think it's better to file a report in VLC's trac telling them to support Bluray, rather that just go and buy Total Media Theater, or to file a bug report to Wine for that favorite game not working on their macs instead to just go and buy Cedega. This generally results in endless waiting, frustration and massive dissappointment, compared to the fun the afforementioned user would have if he had spent 70 fucking bucks to get quality products in his pc.

And LH's purpose is to protect users like the above from freetards like you. This is why we pick on every bit of BS you say.

Anonymous said...

And now [Google] just give a big fuck you to the zealots.

[...]

instead of "UNIX wars" we have "Linux wars", and it won't be this "community" that wins.


As demonstrated by the first quote, the second has already happened, and it happened years ago. They just don't realize it yet because they try to rationalize and downplay corporate behaviors into ways where it can be claimed that their "contributions" are beneficial to the community.

Personally, I think Google's admission that the Completely Fair Scheduler was garbage was absolutely hilarious and really telling of the total chaos even in the deepest levels of the infrastructure--you know, the places where everyone thinks, "Yeah everything else might suck but the kernel guys know what they are doing!"

The CFS was instantly controversial. It was born out of NIH where some butthurt kernel developer who wasn't doing his job wanted to save face because he, a professional on payroll, was being shown up by some hospital orderly improving Linux--and genuinely so--on his free time. The "solution" was to to gut the orderly's contributions and effectively ban him from doing anything else. I mean, there are egos to protect here!

But that's not even the best part. The heaviest criticism levied against the CFS is that it didn't even accomplish what it sought to. Instead of improving the desktop experience, like the original work did, it was biased toward servers and 64 core stuff. People have been complaining for years that this stuff is useful only to entities like Google--but now Google has rejected it! Hahahaha, so after like 6-7 years of coding and infighting the result is a useless product. This is so typically FOSS.

captcha: depedn. A utility that sits between (and interferes with) RPM and DPKG to provide enhanced dependency resolution. It came about when distro creators realized they could save about 100 kilobytes on their ISOs by further breaking down shared libraries. Unfortunately, Firefox and Flash don't work anymore, but you don't really need that anyway.

Dr Loser said...

@February 3, 2010 10:44 PM

Not sure how I ended up at this blog, but I would have to imagine it's written and populated my teenagers.

Put the crack pipe down and walk away, sir.

Check your medications. Refer to "URLs for Dummies." Get a life. Use what little is left of your brain. Go back to slashdot if you really feel the need.

Most of us know how we ended up at this blog -- even if we first noticed it a couple of years ago.

It's true: we do have to deal with teenagers (and brain-damaged imbeciles) each and every day. It's not us. It's the Linux Desktop.

Make it go away, mommy.

Anonymous said...

I bet some of us haters are even older than Unix itself.

Yet you zealots come here, trying to give us a "lesson"


This is my favorite part of oiaohm's rants. He pieces together stuff he's heard with concocted assumptions, and it's plainly obvious he's some teenager trying to sound big.

Anonymous said...

Google did what it was supposed to. They made a modification of the product and released the source.

The wintards don't believe in the Free Software philosophy, so they say things like this. Free Software is not just about the license. It is also about the attitude. You can't enforce 'good behavior' through laws and licenses.

People (and companies) that work in free software are expected to be 'good neighbors', and build towards the common goal of community-owned software. When somebody doesn't do that, free software people criticize them (probably in the hope of shaming them into mending their ways).

It doesn't do to say "I obeyed the license." Well, duh! If you didn't obey the license, you would have been sued, biatch! You are merely being a bad neighbor, which is why we decided to nag the hell out of you. You touch our software, you got to deal with this.

(OK. Those are not my words - I don't believe in free software or any of the other junk promulgated by Stallman. I'm pointing out that whining from advocates is only to be expected.)

Dr Loser said...

@February 4, 2010 8:43 AM

The wintards don't believe in the Free Software philosophy, so they say things like this. Free Software is not just about the license. It is also about the attitude. You can't enforce 'good behavior' through laws and licenses.

I'll leave "wintards" to one side for the moment. That's a wider issue.

Those of us on this blog say nothing of the sort. Put the crack pipe down. You're pulling this stuff out of thin air, not to say vacuum.

It doesn't do to say "I obeyed the license." Well, duh! If you didn't obey the license, you would have been sued, biatch! You are merely being a bad neighbor, which is why we decided to nag the hell out of you. You touch our software, you got to deal with this.

You have, presumably, some particular complaint here. Have we dirtied your GPL software by touching it? The world waits with bated breath. We will deal if you will lay the cards down.

OK. Those are not my words.

Yes they are. Whose else would they be? You need to consult a mental health professional, right now. Not for your own good (you're worthless), but for the good of whoever you're about to go postal on.

Now, this "wintard" thing.

"Freetard" is an amusing label, because it combines "free" with "retard." It's what literate people with a sense of style would call a portmanteau word, or a concertina word.

"Wintard," on the other hand, means nothing whatsoever. It has no poetry. I wintard in Gstaad, ho ho ho ... except it doesn't even have that level of irony.

"Hatertard" is even more pathetic.

I understand why you morons can't create a decent desktop operating system. None of you are programmers. None of you are designers. None of you are even capable of wielding a soldering iron without setting fire to your left testicle.

But you spend so much time -- so much time -- on the web, telling us what to do.

Don't you think you could at least do us the favour of going to a creating writing class first?

You'd still be talking shit. At least it would be readable shit.

Anonymous said...

Software is not just about the license. It is also about the attitude.

"Attitude" is just a euphemism for "arbitrary, unwritten add-on clauses". If you want entities to join your guilds as a perpetual member then write it into the fucking license. But you don't because you know not many are going to agree to that up-front, so, instead, you do the dishonest thing and hide the true costs until you think they're already a member then start whining about stuff they owe you. You call this "community" but it's really anything but. It's really more like a timeshare condo scam.

You can't enforce 'good behavior' through laws and licenses.

That's the way it's supposed to work. In a properly functioning society, there's an economic benefit from doing "the right thing". It's not 100% successful, but, by in large, businesses "do the right thing" because such maximizes profit. If illegal activities can generate larger reward then people begin ignoring the laws (see organized crime, drug trafficking). In fact, what do you think laws are for if not to enforce good behavior? You're basically advocating anarchy with the added irony of whining about invisible rules not being followed. Which is it? You can't have both.

Anonymous said...

The wintards don't believe in the Free Software philosophy, so they say things like this. Free Software is not just about the license. It is also about the attitude. You can't enforce 'good behavior' through laws and licenses.


So you're saying Windows users hate using free software? Is that why the most number of Firefox users are Windows users, same goes for Chrome.

Anonymous said...

It doesn't do to say "I obeyed the license." Well, duh! If you didn't obey the license, you would have been sued, biatch! You are merely being a bad neighbor, which is why we decided to nag the hell out of you. You touch our software, you got to deal with this.


So wait, Google is a bad neighbour for following the neighbourhood charter of rules to the letter? Google is doing exactly what the contract dictates, yet they're somehow violating it?

Anonymous said...

I don't see how Django "apps" (plugins) that I've hosted on Google Code constitute reinventing the wheel. I released them specifically because there was no alternative.

This has nothing to do with Linux or application overlap. I was explaining to the guy that I know what the licenses mean.


Retards like you.

Not specifically you, retard.

Anonymous said...

"Attitude" is just a euphemism for "arbitrary, unwritten add-on clauses".

They are unwritten (probably because it's impossible to write everything down), but not arbitrary. The purpose behind them is to cooperate to build community-owned software.

If you want entities to join your guilds as a perpetual member then write it into the fucking license. But you don't because you know not many are going to agree to that up-front, so, instead, you do the dishonest thing and hide the true costs until you think they're already a member then start whining about stuff they owe you.

Only the hard rules go into the license. As for this being some kind of a bait and switch scam, anyone can look at the GNU web site to understand what free software is all about - how we should all get together and build a repository of free software so we can eliminate the unethical proprietary software and all that.

In fact, what do you think laws are for if not to enforce good behavior?

Everybody knows it's possible to behave badly without breaking any laws. And free software is all about 'ethical' behavior - Stallman's definition of ethical behavior, of course. You do free software because you believe in Stallman's philosophy - at least that's what the 'community' thinks about you.

You are like, you want to do the minimum required things to avoid getting into trouble. You want to do this like it's some kind of a business or a legal arrangement. The spirit of cooperation is missing.

In return for following the letter of the license, you stay out of court. And in return for not adhering to the spirit, you get criticized by the community. Hey, it is a good deal.

Anonymous said...

The spirit of cooperation is missing.

Bunch of hippy fags. Touchy-feely queers.

Anonymous said...

They are unwritten (probably because it's impossible to write everything down), but not arbitrary. The purpose behind them is to cooperate to build community-owned software.


Actually, the GPL mentions nothing about "the community". You know who invented that notion? The freetards.

Free software is just that, FREE. Open source software is DONATED and NOT MANDATED by people. I'm the sole maintainer of my Django apps that are on Google code, there's no "community" whatsoever. I don't want a whole raft of people trying to contribute because you suddenly get "mythical man month" syndrome.

Anonymous said...

Bunch of hippy fags. Touchy-feely queers.

LOL

Anonymous said...

Actually, the GPL mentions nothing about "the community". You know who invented that notion? The freetards.

Exactly. Fuck open sores community. Most of these people I wouldn't trust with my laundry, let alone a fucking code base.

Anonymous said...

They are unwritten (probably because it's impossible to write everything down), but not arbitrary. The purpose behind them is to cooperate to build community-owned software.


Too bad the BSD, Apache and Microsoft open source licenses all read VERY simply. "Do whatever you want with this, just give credit where credit is due".

With these licenses, I'm FREE to take the code, make a product with it, and make money off that product without having to "give back" to the GPL overlords. I use Django (BSD) and JQuery (MIT) in a lot of the work I do. If they were under the straight up GPL, I wouldn't be able to make a living.

Get off your soapbox and actually try coding something before spouting about the licenses.

Anonymous said...

Bunch of hippy fags. Touchy-feely queers.

Heh. The queers come bundled with the software.

Anonymous said...

Some former Microsoft VP doubts Microsoft's future:


NY times article


I don't know, some of his arguments are old. I think I have read some on Linux_Victim's compilation already.


Quote from article: Some people take joy in Microsoft’s struggles, as the popular view in recent years paints the company as an unrepentant intentional monopolist.


In recent years? This sentiment was stronger ten years ago than now.



Another quote:

For example, early in my tenure, our group of very clever graphics experts invented a way to display text on screen called ClearType. It worked by using the color dots of liquid crystal displays to make type much more readable on the screen. Although we built it to help sell e-books, it gave Microsoft a huge potential advantage for every device with a screen. But it also annoyed other Microsoft groups that felt threatened by our success.

Engineers in the Windows group falsely claimed it made the display go haywire when certain colors were used. The head of Office products said it was fuzzy and gave him headaches. The vice president for pocket devices was blunter: he’d support ClearType and use it, but only if I transferred the program and the programmers to his control. As a result, even though it received much public praise, internal promotion and patents, a decade passed before a fully operational version of ClearType finally made it into Windows.



Cleartype was first introduced in XP (2001). That means he wanted to introduce cleartype in 1991! And to be frankl, his colleagues were right. Cleartype looks dreadful on CRTs (the most used type of monitors in the 90s) it wouldn't make sense to use cleartype on a CRT. I used a 15" TFT panel from 1999 until 2007, (one of the very first affordable consumer LCD monitors) and cleartype looks dreadful on it too. Only now, that I have a modern 22" LCD, cleartype looks good for me.


So I wouldn't trust much on these guy.. what do you guys think of the article?

Anonymous said...

Cleartype would make sense on LCDs if the operator had dot-level control over it, but obviously we didn't, not even close. There's also the fact that there were two major CRT technologies, aperture grille (Trinitron) and shadow mask. EDID, the monitor sensing technology, wasn't widely available until the late 90s or early 00s, just a few years before we dumped the CRTs for LCDs anyway. Cleartype was introduced at exactly the right time.

Anonymous said...

Okay, here's a little Open-Source fail story for the end of the week:

Two days ago I wanted to record an in-game movie, so I went to the Fraps homepage to see it's limitations without buying it. Watermark and a max. recording time of 30s... okay, why not look for FREE alternatives, right? So I googled for "Fraps Alternative Free". Turns out the best free alternatives to Fraps are CamStudio and Taksi.

So I started with CamStudio. First thing you see after application startup is a big fat OPENSOURCE on the main screen. I immediately knew that this was a bad idea. So I played around with video and audio settings. I changed audio input from "Do not record audio" to "Record audio from speakers" (what you need to do for in-game sounds) and it resulted in message-box telling me WaveoutGetSelectControl() failed. So I googled for a solution for that... turns out this bug exists for several years and NOBODY sees any need to fix it, despite the majority needs that feature. Remember, this is Open-Source and the most famous Fraps alternative, so thousands of people stumbled upon that bug. To make things short, the workarounds didn't work for me and if you want a laugh at how you are supposed to work around bugs in OSS in the year 2010, have a look here: CamStudio.org Forums

So next thing I tried was Taksi. I opened the application settings, changed the Audio Input Device from "None" to "Default" and got a nice message-box again, telling me TODO: Audio doesnt actually work yet.

I was so pissed off for wasting 3 hours of my life with that OSS garbage that I payed $37 for Fraps, installed it and IT WORKED LIKE A CHARME. Absolutely no need to do anything but hit "record". Seriously, this was the last time I ever bothered with any imbecile Open-Source software, EVER.

Anonymous said...

Interesting that Apple is viewed as innovative.

MP3 players, tablet PCs and cell phones existed long before Apple entered the respective markets.

They are successful at them, no doubt, but innovative?

Anonymous said...

I thought the Lisa and Newton were pretty innovative.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. But the fun thing is that the Lisa and the Newton are never mentioned when it comes to Apple innovation.

It's always the iPod, iTunes and the iPhone. The not so innovative products.


Crazy world.

Anonymous said...

Shiny = Innovative in Apple world.

Anonymous said...

Larger with more rounded edges = major upgrade in Apple world.

Anonymous said...

What a douche:

<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100204/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_sun_ceo_twitter><b>Sun CEO leaves post with a post: a haiku tweet</b></a>

Anonymous said...

FixThatForYou(TM)

Sun CEO leaves post with a post: a haiku tweet

PS: What a douche.

Anonymous said...

What a douche:

Sun CEO leaves post with a post: a haiku tweet

Ok, that's two douches, him and me because I forgot to close the href quote. Bah.

Anonymous said...

@ February 4, 2010 12:50 PM

Thanks. I am obviously not a l33t coder.

Anonymous said...

May the Schwartz be with you - not. Another know-it-all who thought he was smarter than everybody else. Good fucking riddance.

Take note, anyone who might have even remotely been swayed by the whining hippy nonsense left in certain comments here.

Anonymous said...

@February 4, 2010 10:45 AM

"Get off your soapbox and actually try coding something before spouting about the licenses."

You are assuming that they can code in the first place. The Linux Youth that flood blogs, forums and any other electronic media can be compared to brainwashed cultists. They are easily influenced teens and tweens that think they are 1337 haxorz because the can copy and paste scripts created by smug, self important, socially dysfunctional neck-beards.

Anonymous said...

I just stumbled upon this insightful quote by 'Panic! at the Fist Jab'

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3262862&userid=82316


"they wrote an open source twittering client. they wrote a client, in open source, so it's okay, to update completely proprietary websites like twitter and facebook that could give less than a poo poo about their rights"

Anonymous said...

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/10/missing-system-icons-ubuntu-karmic.html

"A common complaint about GNOME is that it has a certain fetish for icons. Menu entries, buttons - everything has an icon attached to it which often wastes space needlessly by making buttons larger than they need to be, as well as menus wider than they need to be."
~ Thom Holwerda, OSNews.

Icons and buttons the new bloatware! Good grief.

"The current approach is that some items have them, and some don’t, and this is because no artist had time to draw it, or because the action is too complex to convey in a small icon, or both. And hand to heart, that’s not a really good guideline."

Good lord, how does an artist not have time to draw a small icon?

Anonymous said...

"The current approach is that some items have them, and some don’t, and this is because no artist had time to draw it, or because the action is too complex to convey in a small icon, or both. And hand to heart, that’s not a really good guideline."


LOL! If the task is too complicated to draw an icon for you should break the fucking task up! Sounds like the "god module" anti-pattern.

Anonymous said...

It looks way better without their cheap-ass goofy icons anyway. But is it still sluggish as shit?

Anonymous said...

Do you still need to pay for SA accounts?

Anonymous said...

@February 4, 2010 3:50 PM

Yes you still need to pay, :(

They actually offered to but RMS an account. Although the though of paying to join a forum might give RMS a stroke.

Anonymous said...

Dear kernel devs, welcome to the patchwork of embedded kernels. Drivers are written only for specific versions of the (google forked) kernel and forgotten after device goes out of production and warranty period. Therefore putting it into the kernel has no value - except for minority who want to install vanilla kernel on their phones and developers who want to write a unified driver usable for other linux-based platforms.

Anonymous said...

Wassup brothas

Found a sorta rare freeware to analyze local and network drive space and organize by file types/graph/tree.

http://www.freshney.org/xinorbis/index.htm

Anonymous said...

@Jonathan Schwartz

Ahh yes, wasn't he the LONGhair ponytail dude who followed the

UnderpantsGnomesStrategy(TM)?

1.) open source your products/services
2.)?
3.) profit!

http://tmrepository.com/trademarks/underpantsgnomesstrategy/

"“Like many before him the Sun CEO [Johnathan Schwartz] thought a million programmers would gleefully work for free and improve OpenOffice, MySQL and Solaris, and at some point Sun would magically profit. He basically went with an open source underpants gnomes strategy. The million programmers didn’t show up and neither did the profits. Now he’s being bought by a proprietary company.”"

toot!

Anonymous said...

@Agreed. But the fun thing is that the Lisa and the Newton are never mentioned when it comes to Apple innovation.

Don't forget the mac CUBE, that didn't fare too well either:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_cube

Was $1599 back in 2001

It's not a bad idea, just maybe too far ahead of it's time.

Now you can get Dell Zino from $249

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_Zino_HD

Anonymous said...

The first thing to understand about GNU/Hippies is that their entire raison d'etre is to spend 90% of their time whining about totally irrelevant shit.

(The other 10% is spent on 'open sourcing' buggy mostly-useless scripts posted to Freshmeat.)

Even if they intellectually accept the argument about Google complying with the GPL, the little voice in the back of their head says "Hey, you're a 'FOSS' supporter! You're supposed to be bitching and moaning like a fat ugly loser!" and off they go.

Meanwhile, the great thing about the Linux kernel is that Linus (usually) knows where the chips are stacked. He will get someone to work with Google and merge Android. Furthermore, Linus knows that Greg KH is a zealous obstructionist-tard just like everyone else here, the guy is just a tool as far as the project is concerned.

Anonymous said...

Yes, the Kleenex Box and its descendant, the Shaving Mirror. I wasn't jumping up and down over the Cube, but it is the obvious predecessor of the Mini, which is a more successful product.

But, really, a 450 MHz processor in 2001? You've got to be kidding me. Sometimes I forget just how inept Apple was just a few years ago. The worst was how Mactards kept upping the "equivalency ratings" as PowerPC fell further and further behind. At first they were like 20% faster or something at the same clock but by the end they were claiming 3x performance from the same technology even though the G4 had clearly stagnated, the G5 wasn't delivering, and x86 was moving into uncharted territory.

Anonymous said...

At first they were like 20% faster or something at the same clock but by the end they were claiming 3x performance from the same technology even though the G4 had clearly stagnated, the G5 wasn't delivering, and x86 was moving into uncharted territory.


There's an ad for the G5 powermac where a guy gets blown through the wall of his house and slams against a tree because of how fast his mac was supposed to be. Jeff Goldblum's voice over said "The fastest PC in the world".

This ad was taken off the air because it said "PC" and not "Mac". Their liberal use of the term "PC" got them into a lot of trouble with the truth in advertising people.

I also recall their stats on the G5 portion of their site showing how much faster it was supposed to be compared to Xeons of the time. They had some ridiculous scores of 2x and 3x as fast...but on really obscure benchmarks like a Photoshop blur filter or something.

Independent tests were done and the were essentially forced to admit, by advertising councils, that their figures were misleading and their marketing shady.

It was pretty funny to watch the fanboys quirm when Apple announced they were going with Intel, the "rival" chip they fans had built up so much angst towards over the years. Now, just a few years later, all the racket about which computer is faster is dead since they're all running the same hardware.

Anonymous said...

Here's that pulled Apple ad

Anonymous said...

Here's an excellent example of open sores video editing in freetardia:

The Lumieria project "is a Free/Open Source Non-Linear Video Editing (NLE) application project for GNU/Linux developed by the CinelerraCV community.".

1. Feb. 2008
- Introduce the development model

... some months ...

13. May 2009
- logo finalization

... some months ...

January 10 2010
NoBug version 201001.1 has just been released. On the release there are still some pending bugs meant to be shot down in the next few days (just now the testsuite fails).

So, a year and three months and a logo is finalized. Whew! Tough work. Seven months and a so called alpha is ready. Two years of development, but hey, a release is JustAroundTheCorner™.

So, let's see, in two years a logo and a rebashing of an already big pile of nothing.

Oh yeah, sure I see how this could be something to give Adobe Premiere a run for it's money.

*snicker* *chortle* *cough* *vomit* *shit pants* *convulse* *rape kitten*

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the link. I'm confused by the setup. At first I thought it was some punk kid but then I noticed it was really a 20-something dressing like a teenager. Is that his mom or girlfriend?

What a terrible ad. Were they targeting the Sega Genesis crowd or something? Is that what they meant by "blast processing"?

Anonymous said...

They had some ridiculous scores of 2x and 3x as fast...but on really obscure benchmarks like a Photoshop blur filter or something.

Yeah, and, from what I recall, the plugin itself was obscure and was basically written to showcase Altivec (PowerPC's SIMD, like SSE for x86) back in the G4 days. So, naturally, Mac is gonna win when the competition is hand optimized SIMD vs. crusty old 80387 FPU. I think Apple SIMD vs. Intel SIMD was actually fairly competitive with the small matter of Intel offering massively better performance per dollar, and AMD even improving upon that. I believe despite its age Altivec actually offered advantages over the whole lot of MMX, 3Dnow!, and SSE until the introduction of SSE2.

kevmitch said...

Well done Linux Hater! Jumps right into form.

Anonymous said...

So wait, the Lumieria project actually spent time writing their own wiki engine for their website instead of working on the video editor?? A wiki engine which will probably be used by no one else, ever, because there are already dozens of established alternatives. I swear, there is simply an awesome amount of time wasted by FOSS folks preparing tools and reinventing wheels.

Anonymous said...

Hell we know what it's like, we were in it for fuck's sake! I used to "preach & convert" many friends to Linux when I was just like you. Fortunately I saw the light at the end of the tunnel, and I'm now out of all this crap in Linuxland.


Amen, brother.

My quality of life has got significantly better since I left Linux for Windows a year ago. And, yes, I was a developer.

I switched to Linux in 1995, because it was full of promise, I never was a fan of GUIs, and Microsoft was wanting you to ditch DOS and start using Windows. In 1995, Linux was still a bicycle -- a relatively simple technological invention, that it was easy to fix yourself in your bathroom. Windows was a petrol beast that you had to take to the dealer for service. In 2010, Linux has also become a gas guzzler, that you can not service yourself with reasonable effort. And Microsoft simply makes better cars than freetards. I'd rather have a bicycle, though.

Anonymous said...

Lumiera project objectives:

To create, as a community, a non linear video editing and compositing FOSS application for Linux/Unix/Posix Operating Systems, suitable for professional and quality oriented work, building on common open source video, sound and GUI toolkits and libraries, providing flexibility and a high degree of configurability and full control of all parameters, but at the same time a smooth workflow which scales well to larger and more complicated editing projects.

Where do they come up with that stuff? During bullshit bingo?

Here's a proposal for a new objective:

Create a basic video editor for Linux that doesn't suck and can rival Windows Movie Maker at least. Should we be unable to achieve this (which is a given), we'll settle on providing you with Wine plus any old Adobe Premiere Elements version we can pirate.

Anonymous said...

@February 5, 2010 12:15 AM

You are tough to please asking for it to be better than windows movie maker. I would only ask that it is nicer than the bazillions of whipped together over the weekend movie editors that Flash and Silverlight developers have made over the years.

Anonymous said...

I would only ask that it is nicer than the bazillions of whipped together over the weekend movie editors that Flash and Silverlight developers have made over the years.

They 'd better be..,

However, positive credit should be given when something good is made, and so I have to admit that vlmc looks promising enough.

Although it will be prety low in features the next to years, it will probably make up for supporting multiple formats.

Seriously, what's that fetish all proprietary software makers have for not supporting popular formats? Everytime I use a commerical (read: user friendly) video cutter, there will always be some flv or mkv file that the editor just can't open. Not to mention of exporting formats, which in PowerDirector are a total of four.

So, until something better rolls in, I am using freetarded tools for video editing and playback. *Sigh*

Anonymous said...

I would only ask that it is nicer than the bazillions of whipped together over the weekend movie editors that Flash and Silverlight developers have made over the years.

They 'd better be..,

However, positive credit should be given when something good is made, and so I have to admit that vlmc looks promising enough.

Although it will be prety low in features the next to years, it will probably make up for supporting multiple formats.

Seriously, what's that fetish all proprietary software makers have for not supporting popular formats? Everytime I use a commerical (read: user friendly) video cutter, there will always be some flv or mkv file that the editor just can't open. Not to mention of exporting formats, which in PowerDirector are a total of four.

So, until something better rolls in, I am using freetarded tools for video editing and playback. *Sigh*

Anonymous said...

Hey Jackass:

They're not going to give you those patches, and even if they did, they probably couldn't because of upstream churn.

Google's Linux patches, the Android kernel free for the download, I expect better than lame assed fud in your next post. Especially with such an easy target as Greg KH.

Anonymous said...

Google's Linux patches, the Android kernel free for the download

And, just out of curiosity, where can I get the whole of Andoid OS for free? Binary and source, the whole thing. With the apps. Just as it's in the nexus one!

Oh yeah, you can't. Just like Cedega is supposed to have a SVN release, but you actually have to pay if you want the working version of the software

Anonymous said...

Wassup brothas!

For you brothas in the Corporate IT sector, I bring to you this hard to find freeware:

http://www.stevemiller.net/puretext/

I almost forgot about this, but if your coworkers involve a lot of pasting of datae/text (and it needs to be plain text) this saves a ton of keystrokes and time.

Anonymous said...

what's that fetish all proprietary software makers have for not supporting popular formats?

I'm with you on that, but it's not just proprietary software makers. Most of the FOSS ecosystem for Windows is built around AVI, a codec that's been obsolete for a decade, and they do all sorts of strange shit in putting off going to MP4 or MKV like building "frameservers" (AVISynth and that MPEG2 one whose name I can't remember right now) just to squeeze more out of something we should have dropped in the Win95 era. I mean it works fine, but you end up needing 3-5 more tools in your chain to get your stuff in the desired format.

Vegas is weak in this area, too. Unless you have total control over the project workflow, you're gonna need ffdshow if you're accepting footage from other people. This wouldn't be so bad but Vegas' DirectShow interface is a little limited and buggy. As for exporting, if I don't want WMV9, I export losslessly via Lagarith (lossless H.264 crashes Vegas every time I try) and encode with something else. Every other Vegas user on teh Internets seems to do the same.

Anonymous said...

Re: PureText

Ah, I remember this back from the days when LifeHacker was a productivity blog rather than a hangout for gadgety crypto-hipsters.

Anonymous said...

I swear, there is simply an awesome amount of time wasted by FOSS folks preparing tools and reinventing wheels.

It's called procrastination and is probably also why they aren't getting whatever they need out of their day jobs.

Building a video editor is hard. Hm, what do I do...um...Logo contest! Let's write our own Wiki! I wouldn't be surprised if a custom bugtracker were in the works. I'm sure there will also be switching from SVN to Git to Mercurial.

Anonymous Insider said...

GregKH is featured at LinuxCon 2009's roundtable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S5VKN94b3Q


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3FsmpXeqHc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XpPpQFO0-U


This one features Torvalds comments about Linux being bloated, slower, and less secure:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf848edktBY


This one features Torvalds comments about the kernel's sound system:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ul47eGtcVQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri61GJwV_2Q


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYcAFLGhK2Y


Enjoy!

Dr Loser said...

@February 4, 2010 10:15 PM

Jesus, I thought you were joking. And then I followed the link:


NoBug version 201001.1 has just been released. This new versions, with lots of improvements (also the support for non-Linux systems) is now a requirement for Lumiera. On the release there are still some pending bugs meant to be shot down in the next few days (just now the testsuite fails).
CALL FOR TESTERS - We are looking for people using MacOS, BSD, OpenSolaris or any other variant of a Unix-ish OS (Posix systems for Windows, Cygwin, SFU, …) available for a short test session over IRC. Volunteers, install gcc, git, valgrind (if supported) and contact cehteh at #lumiera on Freenode.


Is January 10th a particularly important day in LoonyLand?

Do these people understand what a "test suite" is designed to do?

I've heard of "an exercise left for the reader," but surely some pending bugs meant to be shot down in the next few days is an admission of abject failure and two years wasted when the nitwits would have been better off parking themselves in front of the TV with a box of cheetos, a video of Richard Stallman, and a plentiful supply of kleenex at their side.

Who are these fucking idiots? Where do they come from? Are we allowed to irradiate the place, for the benefit of future generations?

*snicker* *chortle* *cough* *vomit* *shit pants* *convulse* *rape kitten*

Mit squishung: NoBugVersion201001.1(TM)

Dr Loser said...

My, my.

OpenJonathan

"Today's my last day at Sun. I'll miss it. Seems only fitting to end on a #haiku. Financial crisis/Stalled too many customers/CEO no more
9:36 PM Feb 3rd from web"

Who the hell decided to employ this twerp? Does this man actually look like he'd make you money? (Rather than pissing $1 billion away on something he could get for free). Does he even have poetry in his soul?

Distant ponytail
Oracle swallows the Sun
No more soup for you!

Anonymous said...

Most of the FOSS ecosystem for Windows is built around AVI, a codec that's been obsolete for a decade,

AVI is a container, not a codec. And the reason they are all built around AVI is because they were all built around the Video For Windows frameworks which pretty much mandates the use of AVI or ASF so this is why you get all sorts of hacks for codecs like MPEG-4 ASP (DivX and XviD for example) and H.264 to work in AVI containers so they work with these VFW based utilities. AviSynth is also heavily built around VFW which is why it has all sorts of oddities as well.

Anonymous said...

Who the hell decided to employ this twerp?

Scott McNealy interestingly enough. It always seemed to be strange to me in light of the fact that McNealy used to spew some pretty nasty anti-FOSS rhetoric. Why he chose some FOSS hippy to help run his company into the ground is beyond me.

Anonymous said...

FailHacker is at it again.

"[...] but rebooting a computer is necessary and sometimes beneficial.

Bzzt. WRONG!
Yes, it can be beneficial under certain circumstances (and probably if you still use Windows XP). It is not necessary, however, to restart it every single day. Modern operating systems do a much better job at keeping both virtual and physical memory clean from crap, and usually if you have problems you just have to close and restart the affected application (like Firefox) instead of the whole OS.

Windows Vista and 7 would remain snappy and responsive even after months of usage without a single reboot (the same is obvious for server editions, at least since 2003).

The comments unusually disagree, like: ""Booting your computer up in the morning is one of the most tedious parts of starting your computer use for the day." ???

It's a nifty program, and I certainly might use it, but the day that I find waiting 60-90 seconds for a computer to boot up as 'tedious' is the day I've seriously lost perspective with what's important.


Really, even PCs from 2004-2005 can boot really fast. Most of the time wasted during boot with modern operating systems is in the BIOS, so it could be a good idea to invest in modern hardware with faster boot process during the BIOS check, or disable some checks in the settings to speed up the process manually. In any case, hybernation and sleep are way faster, as on most of the hardware it simply skip the BIOS boot process and goes straight to the OS itself. 60-90 seconds from sleep/hybernation is a lot, even my nx6310 resumes faster from hybernation.

The article itself is dedicated to Windows, but the same concept applies to any modern OS that can do sleep/hybernation without problems.

Dr Loser said...

Apparently Schwartz made quite a lot of money whilst combing his ponytail and driving Sun into the ground:

While CEO of Sun Microsystems in 2008, Schwartz earned a total compensation of $11,085,826, which included a base salary of $1,000,000, a cash bonus of $1,043,000, stocks granted of $4,399,460, and options granted of $4,585,000. (Source, sadly, Wikipedia)

Perhaps oiaohm is right. The future may as well be Free Software, if the alternative is Massive Collateral Damage To Shareholders...

I mean, if you're gonna fuck up, fuck up for free. This sort of behaviour is just unacceptable in a capitalist society. Oh, wait ... He wasn't working for Microsoft, was he?

Anonymous said...

The article itself is dedicated to Windows, but the same concept applies to any modern OS that can do sleep/hybernation without problems.


So basically only OS X.

Matthew Smith said...

I would just like to wave my massive dick in the general direction of those who said linux doesn't teach programming. I had to learn c to make changes to an application that I use. It didn't print out some stuff i wanted so i made it do it. Soon i will learn c++.

Anonymous said...

Kernel Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu

Vulnerabilities? In the Linux kernel? I keep hearing this is impossible!

Note the ATTENTION at the bottom. An ABI change? Say it ain't so!

*snicker* *poop* *fizzle*

Anonymous said...

Vulnerabilities? In the Linux kernel? I keep hearing this is impossible!

But I was told by all those experts in the Oombooboo forums that Loonix is secure and that only Microsoft Windows had security holes?

*snicker* *fart* *burp* *scratch anus* *smell finger*

Anonymous said...

Most of the FOSS ecosystem for Windows is built around AVI, a codec that's been obsolete for a decade, and they do all sorts of strange shit in putting off going to MP4 or MKV like building "frameservers" (AVISynth and that MPEG2 one whose name I can't remember right now) just to squeeze more out of something we should have dropped in the Win95 era.

Someone already told you that AVI is a container, not a codec. And despite everything AVI (meaning almost always MPEG-4 ASP/MP3 inside) is without a doubt still the most compatible container around. You can throw it at any ├╝ber-cheap DVD player or Hard Disk Media Player and it almost always works.

That aside, AVI's kept alive by users, not software. Many Anime fansub groups even today still dual-release in MP4/MKV (H.264) and AVI (MPEG-4 ASP), although it was precisely the fansub scene that pushed advanced containers and codecs.

And why exactly would you think that AviSynth has something to do with delaying the switch to MP4/MKV?

Anonymous said...

I would just like to wave my massive dick in the general direction of those who said linux doesn't teach programming. I had to learn c to make changes to an application that I use. It didn't print out some stuff i wanted so i made it do it. Soon i will learn c++.


Meanwhile, that same application either already does what you need it to on Windows/OSX, or there's an alternative that does, or better yet, it needing to print *anything* is totally unnecessary.

I love the "I want to be a programmer, I'm going to learn C++ right off the bat!". You realize that "computer science" isn't just "programming" right? Its CONCEPTS like parallelism, concurrency, threading, pooling, live locks, dead locks, etc. If you don't understand these concepts thoroughly, then your tooting around in C and Linux have NOT taught you computer science!

Anonymous said...

Its like claiming that your civic teaches you to be jet engine mechanic because you replaced an oil filter!

Anonymous said...

Windows Vista and 7 would remain snappy and responsive even after months of usage without a single reboot (the same is obvious for server editions, at least since 2003).


The only time my desktops ever get restarted is if some app I install, or an update, requires it.

Anonymous said...

So basically only OS X.

I would include the other real Unixes (*BSD and OpenSolaris/Solaris) in the list. It's a stretch if you talk about desktop computers, but at least the experience is much better than Linux.

The only time my desktops ever get restarted is if some app I install, or an update, requires it.

I usually don't apply updates immediatly, mostly because I'm lazy. It means that, much like you, my PCs need a restart only when certain updates are applied (or certain applications are installed, even though the only application I use that needs it is F-Prot). Usually I schedule the install (and thus the restart), this way when I have some free time to take a break the PC can do it's stuff and be ready when I get back.

Actually I like the fact that those things take time, this way I have excuses to NOT stay in front of the screen for hours straight.

Anonymous said...

More goodnews freeware brothas.
One of the few client side backup programs that also installs as a service.

http://www.educ.umu.se/~cobian/cbnew.htm

Cobian backup 10 beta

- Support for Volume Shadow Copy even in 64bit systems

- Absolute paths can now be created even with uncompressed backups

- The user interface doesn't ask for privilege elevation anymore on Vista or 7

- Simple masks can now be applied to FTP sources

- The timer schedule can now be limited in time

- The main application waits now for any mail to be send before closing

- The log file can now be send per task

- The log file level is now more granular

- The log file can now be splitted, one file per day

- The service and application control executes now depending on the UAC settings

- Fixed a bug when executing batch files with parameters

- The inclusion/exclusion masks way of work has been re-designed

- The backup now can be aborted if some event fails

- A post backup event can now be aborted if a pre-backup event failed

- Mirror tasks can now be created for uncompressed backups

- The type of the backup can now be included in the directory name

- The tray icon signalizes now if there are errors in the last backup

- Better mask support

- The speed of the backup has been increased about 200%

Anonymous said...

@*snicker* *fart* *burp* *scratch anus* *smell finger*

Holy frak! That's funny as heck brotha!

Anonymous said...

@http://lifehacker.com/5465053/boot-snooze-reboots-and-hibernates-your-computer-for-faster-startup-time

Actually it is kinda cool freeware.

Not really needed, but for those rare times you do windowsupdates on a PC before leaving work, and want to continue first thing in the morning. (but don't want it on all night). More for PC support techs that have to setup a ton of new laptops.

Anonymous said...

Aren't the Toyota execs all supposed to commit suicide now?

Anonymous said...

I prefer the method where, in the middle of disemboweling yourself, someone else decapitates you.

Anonymous said...

I, too, prefer that method.

Anonymous said...

Don't forget to reboot your computer after this important kernel update!

Wasn´t loonix supposed to never be rebooted ?

EPIC FAIL!! Again!!

Dr Loser said...

From "The Sound of Lunix:"*

Linux on desktops and also in fridges
Teenager tantrums and trolls under bridges
Brown OS packages solid as gel
These are a few things that make me unwell

Thousands of downloads and nothing that's useful
Dimwits and losers and lies by the bagfull
Wild boasts that fly like a bent pipistrelle
These are a few things that make me unwell

Snickering girls with a five o'clock stubble
Neckbeards who live like a boy in a bubble
Badly built trash with dependency hell
These are a few things that make me unwell

When the sound died
When X.Org fell
And the desktop crapped
I simply remembered what makes me unwell
And then I stuffed it all down the toilet and reinstalled Windows, because life is too short to deal with this lying saccharine shit

[Repeat all verses, once every six months]

----------------------

* Obviously with PulseAudio fixed. Somehow. Next year. Honest.

Anonymous said...

ATTENTION: Due to an unavoidable ABI change, the kernel packages have a new version number, which will force you to reinstall or recompile all third-party kernel modules you might have installed. Moreover, if you use the linux-restricted-modules package, you have to update it as well to get modules that work with the new Linux kernel version.

LOL.

Recompile, reinstall, blablabla ...

That what the freetards call usability.

EPIC FAIL !!

FAIL.!!

Anonymous said...

Not really needed, but for those rare times you do windowsupdates on a PC before leaving work, and want to continue first thing in the morning. (but don't want it on all night). More for PC support techs that have to setup a ton of new laptops.


Seems pretty pointless since when I leave my computer on all the time, it sleeps after 30 minutes, going into low power mode, and then hibernates after an hour.

I get the same advantage this software provides by literally walking away from my computer for a while.

Anonymous said...

"Unavoidable ABI change"

What is it, 1991? Are we still learning the ins and outs of peripheral management? Is the 386 new and presenting challenges?

Anonymous said...

Aren't the Toyota execs all supposed to commit suicide now?

I think that's how all CEOs should go if their company takes a massive dive. Politicians too.

Anonymous said...

Where's John Belushi when you need him? He knew how to get it done.

Anonymous said...

At least Linux doesnt get viruses! *snicker*

Dr Loser said...

@February 5, 2010 5:10 PM

At least Linux doesnt get viruses!

This reminds me of the old Monty Python joke.

Stockbroker1: Did you see the news? Nixon’s had an arsehole transplant.
Stockbroker2: But did you see the stop-press? The arsehole’s rejected him!

Replace Nixon with Linux, and arsehole with virus, and there you have it. *snicker*

For further *snickericals*, feel free to check out The Sound of Lunix, above.

*poot* *gurgle* *year of fail*

Anonymous said...

@February 5, 2010 5:10 PM

http://vx.netlux.org/vl.php?dir=Virus.Linux

Thank you for viewing Linux Haters Blog, your one stop shop for all things related to pawning Linux.

Anonymous said...

Anti-virus for Linux

http://www.mcafee.com/us/enterprise/products/system_security/servers/linuxshield.html

Anonymous said...

Or clamTK especially for Fedora! Oh look it is open source (GPL) too!

http://clamtk.sourceforge.net/

Anonymous said...

Why is it called ClamTk when it uses GTK?na

Anonymous said...

Weird. The "na" after the question mark was supposed to go into the captcha.

Anonymous said...

@February 5, 2010 5:49 PM

It is a mystery!

GNU/rubpol the free open sauce version of Rohypnol, the only way in which neckbeards can get laid.

Anonymous said...

75% of the mainline Linux kernel is developed by paid employees from companies like IBM and RedHat--not free tards. The non-paid contributors are obviously software engineers or equivalent because the code requirements for submission into mainline are super strict.

Anonymous said...

Those arent not real viruses you silly wintards. Trojans arent viruses. *snicker*

Anonymous said...

@February 5, 2010 5:58 PM

A pity shit still does not work despite the strict guidelines.

Anonymous said...

http://img.waffleimages.com/d17fc721406c32bd6fb6d4b079c8aa7c5a612373/12.jpg

Anonymous said...

When was the last time anyone used Tk, anyway?

Anonymous said...

Doesn't really make a difference since the attack vectors for viruses and trojans is identical.

Anonymous said...

When was the last time anyone used Tk, anyway?


About 2 years ago when I had to create a cross platform GUI app in Python. It got the job done, but damn is it ever a crap library. Non-standard controls, tedious layout paradigm and a billion limitations.

I very quickly started using WxWidgets after that, which have their own issues, but at least can yield a nice looking cross-platform window.

Anonymous said...

The much maligned Ubuntu vulnerabilities:

1. The EXT4 and HFS filesystems failed to check various disk structures. Because of this, a remote attacker could trick a user into mounting a specially devised filesystem and could crash the affected system or gain root (system administrator) privileges.

Are you fucking kidding me? When was the last time you mounted a file system that you got from someone else? This is extremely far fetched, people.

2. FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) failed to check various requests. Because of this, a local attacker that had access to FUSE mounts could crash the affected system or gain root (system administrator) privileges. The issue affects only Ubuntu 6.06 LTS, 8.04 LTS, 8.10 and 9.04 systems.

Local attacker? What local attacker? You call this a vulnerability? LOL!

3. KVM failed to decode various guest instructions. This could lead to a DoS attack and crash the affected system, by triggering "high scheduling latency" in the host. The issue affects only Ubuntu 8.04 LTS, 8.10, 9.04 and 9.10 systems.

DOS attack? Give me a break! Don't look now, but the wintards are getting mighty desperate!

4. The OHCI firewire driver failed to handle various ioctls. Because of this, a local attacker could crash the affected system or gain root (system administrator) privileges. The issue affects only Ubuntu 8.04 LTS, 8.10, 9.04 and 9.10 systems.

What local attacker? Can these wintards find anything more trivial than this?

5. The Linux kernel failed to handle O_ASYNC on locked files. Because of this, a local attacker could gain root (system administrator) privileges. The issue was discovered by Tavis Ormandy and affects only Ubuntu 9.04 and 9.10 systems.

Again with the local attacker?

6. The e1000e and e1000 network drivers for Eee PCs failed to check Ethernet frames' size. Because of this, a local attacker on the LAN could crash the affected system or gain root (system administrator) privileges by sending specially devised traffic. The issue was discovered by Neil Horman and Eugene Teo, and affects all Ubuntu systems.

Ooooo, local attacker on the LAN! Ooooo, I am scared!

7. Random contents of kernel memory could be shown by "print-fatal-signals" reporting. This could lead to loss of privacy. The issue affects only Ubuntu 8.04 LTS, 8.10, 9.04 and 9.10 systems.

Loss of privacy? What kind of retarded vulnerability list is this anyway?

8. IPv6 failed to handle jumbo frames. This could lead to a DoS attack and crash the affected system. The issue was discovered by Olli Jarva and Tuomo Untinen, and affects only Ubuntu 9.04 and 9.10 systems.

DoS attack? Yeah right.

9. The rules of bridging netfilter could be modified by regular users. This could lead to a DoS attack, by fracturing the network traffic. The issue was discovered by Florian Westphal and affects all Ubuntu systems.

What regular users? This, like 'local attacker', makes no sense, considering that Ubuntu is meant for personal desktop use.

10. Linux kernel memory could be leaked by various mremap operations. This could lead to a DoS attack, by consuming the entire available memory. The issue was discovered by Al Viro and affects all Ubuntu systems.

DoS attack by a 'local attacker', I would presume? Another non-issue.

I am laughing my ass off at the hatertards, seeing how this is the best dirt they can dig up about Linux security problems. Whoever is paying you boys is doing you a favor, because you sure are not earning it.

Anonymous said...

Windows 7 battery life problems

No, I'm not a freetard. I use Windows 7, and this explains why I'm getting much worse battery life than I did with Vista.

Anonymous said...

When was the last time you mounted a file system that you got from someone else? This is extremely far fetched, people.

Ever hear of a USB stick? DVD? SD card? While we're being "fair", let's mention the flak Microsoft got about their USB mass storage autorun fiasco a few months back.

Aside, I love how you guys love to attack every Windows' "critical patch" as proof of its vulnerability when most of them address exactly the type of flaws you openly ridicule here.

Anonymous said...

Google Docs Replaces OpenOffice In Ubuntu Netbook Edition

Oh noes! What about the fweeeedom of OpenOffice.org?

Anonymous said...

Red Hat Exchange Is Dead

What!? An Open Source "app store" didn't make it? Who'da thunk it?

Anonymous said...

Scott McNealy interestingly enough. It always seemed to be strange to me in light of the fact that McNealy used to spew some pretty nasty anti-FOSS rhetoric. Why he chose some FOSS hippy to help run his company into the ground is beyond me.

McNealy has always been an ABMr first and foremost. Yea he hated Linux but he also didn't know what to do about it. He's always been arrogant as hell and would constantly make quips about Windows and Linux as if they were toys. McNealy is a unix elitist who thought that eventually companies would get over their NT/Linux fad and come crawling back to Sun.

His final move was to hire a young FOSS zealot to turn the company into a mega Red Hat. It's almost as if he hired a younger, equally arrogant and deluded version of himself but also pro-FOSS.

Anonymous said...

Those arent not real viruses you silly wintards. Trojans arent viruses. *snicker*

*snicker* *chortle* *fart* *vomit* *convulse* *douche manjina with 1987 Honda Civic Muffler*

Anonymous said...

Yeah, McNealy always hated Microsoft with ever ounce of his being, even though Sun and MS were barely in direct competition.

Instead of having a huge hardon for Bill Gates' asshole, he should have been paying attention to the Unix market, where it was 100% clear that Linux was eating Sun's lunch.

Speaking of which, there's never been a business case for OpenOffice.org. It was a "McNealy project" to kill Microsoft. Reasonable to believe that it will be quickly disposed of by Oracle's result-driven managers.

Anonymous said...

The loonacy never ends:

The Linux Foundation's "We're Linux" Superbowl Ad Contest

But, there's clearly something amiss. Where is the restriction that you must use only FLOSS tools?

Oh, I forgot ... FLOSS video editors all suck. Sorry, my bad.

Anonymous said...

Who in their right mind would wear such a shirt? Is this an aid for freetards who don't know about female anatomy?

Anonymous said...

I am laughing my ass off at the hatertards, seeing how this is the best dirt they can dig up about Linux security problems. Whoever is paying you boys is doing you a favor, because you sure are not earning it.

Just looking at the amount of security patches each week, it's even worse than that.

Local attacker means probably someone with access to the machine (you know, it can even be a program running on that machine!), so yeah, it's improbable but still a flaw.

Remember that many of you freediots bashed Microsoft for a vulnerability exploitable only by running DOS software directly in the Windows DOS VM on a 32bit system. That was a problem, and it was eventually patched, but the whole story was way out of control. Modern 64bit systems don't have the VM or the 16bit subsystem, or anything related. In any case the DOS VM in Windows has ever been incredibly poor, that's why most people run DOS directly (or in a VM), or use a DOS emulator (like DOSBox). Not because of security reasons, but because the DOS implementation on Windows has never been as good as the original.

As for DoS attacks, remember that the same kernel runs on servers. In that case it was Ubuntu, but if there's a security hole that works on every distro, and most of those distros happen to run on thousands of servers, we are all fucked. Hosting companies are fucked for choosing Linux and putting their own business in the hands of a bunch of virgin assholes, and us for trusting those companies for security and falling for the cheaper hosting plans.

The same does not apply for home users, as it's incredibly hard to receive a DoS attack at home (there's nothing to gain, usually). The same applies for any operating system in existance (businesses need DoS protection while homes can do well without it). You have to always keep in mind the target of that software. If your software is targeted also to servers, web hosting, and generally the internet, being vulnerable to DoS attacks in so many different ways can be a serious problem.

Not that Windows, OpenSolaris, BSD and others are magically better than Linux (the distros as a whole, not the kernel, I know the difference), but at least on better systems those vulnerabilities get patched. On Linux, if you are not using a commercial distro, you are left alone in the dark.

Anyway, someone know if FreeNAS will be based on the Linux kernel? That would be a huge mistake, and a big loss in functionality.

Anonymous said...

To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [SECURITY] [DSA-1988-1] New qt4-x11 packages fix several vulnerabilities
User-Agent: KNode/4.3.2


XXX wrote:

> CVE-2009-0945
>
> CVE-2009-1687
>
> CVE-2009-1690
>
> CVE-2009-1698
>
> CVE-2009-1711
>
> CVE-2009-1712
>
> CVE-2009-1725
>
> CVE-2009-2700


Hmmm, 7 remote vulns in qt4 that allow execution of arbitrary code plus 1
mitm. How far is the day when someone will write a virus for Linux desktops?

Anonymous said...

Most Linux distributions have very little in the form of security features. Ubuntu and SUSE has AppArmor, which is a mandatory access control system. Novell laid of the employees working on AppArmor so I'm not sure on the development state.

RHEL and Fedora have the most security features of all Linux distributions. In addition to SELinux (MAC) they have kernel patches "Exec-Shield" that enable ASLR (loads program processes into random memory address locations at launch) and NX. It also has GCC and glibc features for compile-time buffer overflow checking and smash stacking.

These are all security features Windows Vista and 7 has but most distros lack.

I use the Frugalware distribution (similar to Archlinux) and security is lacking. I'm going to try patching the kernel, GCC, and glibc with Fedora's patches then submit package updates using fstack-protector.

Anonymous said...


Reasonable to believe that it will be quickly disposed of by Oracle's result-driven managers.


But don't worry, the people's GPL army will come with thousands and thousands of programmers ready to help. Right?

Right?
















HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA.

Anonymous said...


75% of the mainline Linux kernel is developed by paid employees from companies like IBM and RedHat--not free tards. The non-paid contributors are obviously software engineers or equivalent because the code requirements for submission into mainline are super strict.


And that's something you should really worry about if you are Freetard or part of the so-called "community".

Once those companies realize that their investments don't really pay off on the desktop, be prepared to see the death of Linux.

Anonymous said...

And that's something you should really worry about if you are Freetard or part of the so-called "community".

Once those companies realize that their investments don't really pay off on the desktop, be prepared to see the death of Linux.


Virtually all the kernel development is centered around servers and better scalability and sometimes enterprise workstations. Sure a few desktop-related commits from Canonical make it in but by and large its developed for the enterprise, not grandmas desktop.

Dr Loser said...

@February 5, 2010 9:50 PM

I am laughing my ass off at the hatertards, seeing how this is the best dirt they can dig up about Linux security problems. Whoever is paying you boys is doing you a favor, because you sure are not earning it.

Um. Did we mention a single thing you slathered over?

In what way is this "the best dirt" we can dig up?

Do we really care?

Just for once, can we have a link? I know you freetards are averse to links. Maybe you're allergic to the truth, or something. Links to this crap are usually good for a laugh.

Thousands of downloads and nothing that's useful
Dimwits and losers and lies by the bagfull
Wild boasts that fly like a bent pipistrelle
These are a few things that make me unwell


That's the kind of stuff we complain about round here.

Security is, generally speaking, a solved issue.

Worthlessness -- well, pick a distro. We can talk about that later.

Anonymous said...

Aside, I love how you guys love to attack every Windows' "critical patch" as proof of its vulnerability when most of them address exactly the type of flaws you openly ridicule here.


To the freetards, security patches are an admission of guilt!

DesktopDisaster said...

Freetards are so two-faced. I all I hear is how "easy, secure, open, and fast" Linux on the desktop is, with the latest release of, say Ubuntu.

And then I read this.

Can someone tell me why I would want to switch from Vista Ultimate SP2 to Ubuntu, if I had to go through all that crap?

Forget it.

Anonymous said...

Well, of course you would want to switch in order to be free!

Really, it's so easy! Convert all your MP3/AAC audio files into nice and shiny OGGs. Violate all your H.264 video files by converting them into the I-am-patent-free-but-I-suck hiqh quality Theora format.

The FSF will even pay for the power you've used in the process. And you'll get a "I'm free" badge signed by great leader Stallman for a very special price.

Captcha: forks (for real)

Anonymous said...

Look at this freetard shite:

Vixta.org

Anonymous said...

Ahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Browser Linux

Anonymous said...

Wake up.

Anonymous said...

Lazy-ass Americans: The Super Bowl Has Been Canceled

Anonymous said...

Here's an excellent example of open sores video editing in freetardia:

The Lumieria project "is a Free/Open Source Non-Linear Video Editing (NLE) application project for GNU/Linux developed by the CinelerraCV community.".

1. Feb. 2008
- Introduce the development model

... some months ...

13. May 2009
- logo finalization

... some months ...

January 10 2010
NoBug version 201001.1 has just been released. On the release there are still some pending bugs meant to be shot down in the next few days (just now the testsuite fails).

So, a year and three months and a logo is finalized. Whew! Tough work. Seven months and a so called alpha is ready. Two years of development, but hey, a release is JustAroundTheCorner™.

So, let's see, in two years a logo and a rebashing of an already big pile of nothing.

Oh yeah, sure I see how this could be something to give Adobe Premiere a run for it's money.

*snicker* *chortle* *cough* *vomit* *shit pants* *convulse* *rape kitten*


The developer probably realized that he's wasting his time.

There are already a few full-featured video editors for *nix:

Cinelerra, PiTiVi, and Kdenlive.

There are also Window Movie Maker class: Kino and Avidemux

According to wikipedia, Kdenlive seems to be the most feature complete and targets professional users.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_editing_software

Anonymous said...

They certainly don't understand women.

Women do not want to wear shirts with software version numbers.

Anonymous said...

I'm also pretty sure they don't want to open their legs for some freetard!

Anonymous said...

There are already a few full-featured video editors for *nix:

Cinelerra, PiTiVi, and Kdenlive.


You have got to be kidding. Unless the definition of "full-featured" has changed.

Anonymous said...

Browser Linux

Wow, ChromeOS has come a long way.

Anonymous said...

According to wikipedia, Kdenlive seems to be the most feature complete and targets professional users.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_editing_software


Yeah, what-the-fuck-ever. Wikipedia is now a trusted, unbiased source? I dare you, look at the "Target market" table and have a good laugh. I mean, Cinelerra is one fucked up piece of software, but it is at least a bit more suited for professional work than Kdenlive. Neither would be used by actual professionals, but still ...

Anonymous said...

Lol nothing says high end professional level video editor like

http://kdenlive.org/mantis/view.php?id=1330

Still cant render video properly???

We haven't had a good conversation about the Gimp in a while...

Anonymous said...

^Some people, when confronted with a problem on the desktop, think "I know: I'll use Linux!"

Now they have two problems.


Only two? I would have put that number a lot higher. Heck, X11 counts as at least 3 all by itself.

Anonymous said...

Anyway, someone know if FreeNAS will be based on the Linux kernel? That would be a huge mistake, and a big loss in functionality.

Ha, this argument again. Good luck, I was modded down "-9001 troll" last time I brought it up, except I didn't argue loss of functionality, just the opposite--that it'd become just another distro with 1 or 2 things different from every other distro. And the whole thing was to please the basement PII crowd who wants to run MySQL servers and Compiz on their file servers. I also argued that regardless of what the backend was, switching platforms eats a lot of time and resources just to make a lateral move--resources that could have been spent on bug fixing and enhancements.

Anyway, apparently FreeNAS is "abandoned" but some interested parties have taken up maintenance. I'm pretty sure we're all well versed enough to know what this means: the project is on life support and will become gradually more decrepit until its mere existence is an embarrassment. The Linux version was called CoreNAS but they already forked it into OpenMediaVault, and, looking at the page for the first time, it appears my prediction is at least partially true as the author seems to be fighting with PHP and bash script stuff, but, on the other hand, the interface does look nice. If the navigation pane options listed actually work then this might not be a bad project to check out. If the timestamps are correct, he got all this done in a span of the last month or so.

http://blog.openmediavault.org/

Anonymous said...

Re: RedHat/Fedora and SELinux

SELinux is so cumbersome virtually all Fedora users shut it off. I can't say about RedHat enterprise customers, but, then again, they have paid support to make the shit work right. SELinux might work, but I have no idea. It's so terse and cumbersome it does more harm than good. Pretty much every forum post I've even seen regarding SELinux says to turn it off. Some security system.

Anonymous said...

Browser Linux

Christ, I can barely understand what this mumbling Brit is saying. "What we have here is um, uh, well, alright, cheerio"

Anonymous said...

It's like a goddamn fucking Guy Ritchie movie.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, it's really distracting the way he hangs his vowels. He reminds me of the peon voice from the DOS WarCraft games.

By the way, catch at the end when he says "videos play fine" and it's tearing like shit?

Anonymous said...

Here's something, a Linux user telling his fellow freetards to stop lying and pretending Linux's problems don't exist.

Linux users

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