Tuesday, April 27, 2010

A year later

Woah, Lundude is at it again.

Don't worry, it's mostly the same stuff. Linux Desktop sucks. It still sucks. Even a year later. When it's sucked for the last N years, why do you think N+1 will make it so much better? But I'm sooooo sure that there's just a business plan hiding under there somewhere, and I'm the only person to think this hard about it..

The rest of us know that if there were a business model that made sense and could be presented in a 45 minute slide-deck in some classroom, then someone would have done it already.

But I had some other funny thoughts:

The big players in the linux desktop are the distributions. They distribute stuff. They're somewhat ok at distributing their own stuff. But they're supremely awesome at making it hard for third parties to distribute their stuff. It's the distributions (and more precisely, the fact that there are so many of them) that make the actual distributing hard. Go figure.

Another thing. Why are y'all _still_ focused on random niche desktop thick client apps. Linux's problem is not a lack of thick client apps. Hardly anyone uses them, other than Office. And besides, that problem is solved. Distributing thick client apps to generic PC hardware is MS's turf. You wouldn't try to take on Google's search advertising business with a rag tag group of volunteers would you? So why the fuck would you go after MS's bread and butter? You win by solving the problem in a new better way, not making the problem worse in a shittier way.

Besides, the desktop is dying. Web apps are taking over. And it so happens that Linux is in a pretty good place to be an awesome web terminal. Even Google thinks so. But it still takes a google to herd enough people together to produce something like ChromeOS. Y'all could have probably put something like that together in as much time, if you could only focus and stop chasing after Microsoft's sinking boat.

Y'all bitch an complain that nobody writes apps for Linux. Boo hoo. Hardly anyone writes apps for windows either these days. They all write for the web. You got your fucking level playing field that you've been bitching about for years. But I'm sure it's still going to take some eeeevil corporation with a giant clue stick to show y'all how it's done.

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Anonymous said...

One more day till the best OS in the world is released! CAN YOU FEEL IT?

Anonymous said...

@April 27, 2010 9:43 PM
What the hell are talking about?
OpenBSD 4.7 doesn't come out for awhile.

Anonymous said...

Linux well placed? Did I just see that?!?

Anonymous said...

Let us all hold hands in prayer, to the glorious Ubuntu operating system.

JoeMonco said...

One more day till the best OS in the world is released! CAN YOU FEEL IT?

I can feel... I can feel... I can feel jack squat.

TM Repository said...

Linux Hater has a point about the playing field being pretty level since web applications take all the Linux compatibility issues out of the equation.

Too bad history has shown us time and time again that the Linux crowd isn't interested in succeeding; only claiming they will. I assume they're worried they'll lose their underdog status. That, combined with a self-perpetuating victim complex won't let them.

The only thing I'm still wondering is how they'll manage to blame Microsoft for their failure in an arena they hardly even compete in.

Anonymous said...

"the desktop is dying"

"stop chasing after Microsoft's sinking boat."

"Hardly anyone writes apps for windows either these days."

Wow. Just wow. This is most retarded. You sound like the freetards now. I'm leaving and never coming back.

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JulesLt said...

'No one' uses web apps either. Except for the ones they do use.

What I mean is that no one uses those incredibly clever JavaScript-based desktop class web apps that a lot of people are claiming will make the OS irrelevant, yada yada.

Why? Because if I'm the kind of person who produces presentations or charts, I already have Powerpoint and Visio, or Keynote / OmniGraffle.

More to the point, those products all have a clear way of paying for their development, and future development, rather than 'hey Mr.Venture Capitalist, web apps are the future, will you fund 18 months of development on my AJAX-based presentation software - no, I've no idea how we make money from it'.

The iPhone App Store - living proof that there is a market for new native software. A cheapskate high-volume one, but better than selling clicks to advertisers.

JoeMonco said...

The iPhone App Store - living proof that there is a market for new native software. A cheapskate high-volume one, but better than selling clicks to advertisers.

To add to this, web apps are by no means the miracle cure to Linux's shortcomings. Yes, nowadays, you can move almost every desktop application to the web as long as you try hard enough. However, the web is not gonna put audio or visual contents through your speakers or monitors by itself. If Flash proves anything at all about Linux, it proves that Linux, at the end of the day, is still an amorphous mess that offers absolutely no solid infrastructures for anyone to build apps upon, web or otherwise. Sound's broken? Video gets choppy? Too bad, blame the good people that have brough you the Linux kernel and the mountain of crap that comes with it. Maybe one day they will eventually pay attention to your plights and turn Linux from a hobbyist play-thing to something coherent and professional.

Maybe. Just maybe...

Anonymous said...

Freetards can't see the forest for the trees. Glad I'm not one of them.

Anonymous said...

I can totally picture the huge mass of SMBs migrating all their 20+ years of data to the cloud. Some of the apps used don't even have a clear path for migration to better, most recent software. How do you migrate some obscure custom database-like file format? It's hard enough for the very same companies that made that software in the first place (and it's their intention in keeping the clients tied to them, so much for "OMG M$ vendor lock-in").
If you are lucky those apps use an MDB, but even with that it's still hard to do anything. Imagine how intricate the internal tables structure can be (on purpose or because of bad design decisions and years of duct-taping).
It's going to be a real nightmare.

On top of that think about all the companies' secrets (encryption might help, but it's not the only solution).
Hell, think about spotty internet connections or even hardware failures and other accidents that could happen to the actual datacenter. In that scenario, what do you do if the connection is gone? Do you tell your clients <<Sorry, but I can't send our men to look after the alarm in your warehouse. Have a nice day.>> Do you tell the little child in front of you <<We can't save your mother because the internet doesn't work. Do you want some candy?>> Do you fucking stop the world if some idiot unplug the wrong cable in the holy cloud datacenter?

Having web services is good. Having data and application redundancy is good. Storing your files around the world (possibly encrypted) is really good, as the only event in witch it would all be gone is the end of our entire civilization (and in that case you don't care about your customers anymore).
But, please, stop advocating this cloud bullshit. Webapps are not replacing desktop ones. have you seen the actual state of the web? Have you even tried to do anything more complex on the web like a Photoshop clone? Even a Windows Movie Maker clone would be enough! There's nothing like that. There are some extremely complex applications on the web (and mostly supported by Flash/Silverlight, technologies that make them run more on the desktop than in the browser itself), but nothing is really at the level of desktop applications.

In the end this whole concept of the cloud may be a solution in the distant future to all the problems (I suspect the world would've changed too much to be recognizable at that point). Currently, it's more of an addendum to actual, proven technologies rather than the be-all-end-all of computing. Our infrastructure is not ready, and neither are people ready for a cloud-only world. That means that, at least for the next few years, cloud based apps would be a tiny percentage of the world usage.

Linux has really nothing to do with this, and probably we would need something completely different for a true cloud environment. Anything we use today is still tied up to old technologies. Computing is probably still in it's infancy, and we are not even sure if future hardware would be based on quantum chips, memristors or my mom. The web itself is still a collection of concepts from the early nets. We have adapted it during the years to accomodate our needs, but still it's extremely limited if you really think about the possibilities. For example emails. Emails are incredibly simple, they were designed that way. But emails, in this day and age, have huge problems and shortcomings. There are many possible solutions to some of those problems, but it all seems like everything has been ducttaped on top of it. Take certified emails and email authentication for example. Do you really need to go through all those EsotericWorkarounds(TM) just to make sure your email reaches the target? Why do we still use such unreliable tech to communicate with others in this day and age?

Anonymous said...

Funny how he says that a lot of his slides aren't too different from last year but then the obligatory "It has come a LONG way in the past year" phrase comes.
But this "Linux Sucks" presentation is like Ubuntu. From version N to N+1 actually nothing changed, and it's still the old crap as it was before, only that it got a different theme now! If that's not awesome, then I don't know.

TM Repository said...

What I mean is that no one uses those incredibly clever JavaScript-based desktop class web apps that a lot of people are claiming will make the OS irrelevant, yada yada.

I agree with the small exception of AIR apps (I'm thinking of Balsamiq Mockups specifically) or Silverlight out of browser apps. But really, those are just more frameworks that try to abstract the shitty underpinnings that are the Linux desktop.

Even they're susceptible to breakage as the kernel and it's APIs churn.

Anonymous said...

Leonardo Fagundes was here, the Windows serial killer! Long life to Linux!

leonardo.fagundes@linux.org

Anonymous said...

This has to be officially the worst LHB post ever. It's funny though that the first posts where spam posts. A fitting tribute to a blog in severe decline.

Anonymous said...

LHB has become Queefer? What the fuck is with the Microsoft "sinking ship" bullshit? In less than 2 months, Windows 7 had 5-6 times more market share than Linux has ever achieved in 19 years. I wish I could own my own "sinking ship" that had $14.5 billion in net revenue last year.

Anonymous said...

Windows XP 64.46%
Windows Vista 16.01%
Windows 7 10.23%
Windows 2000 0.56%
Windows 98 0.07%

Linux 1.03%

Yes, it is clearly Microsoft that is in decline. Windows 7 after only 6 months of retail sales has 10 times the market share of Loonix. In fact, Windows 7 has been so successful that it may actually be enough to finally move a bunch of people off of Windows XP. From here.

Anonymous said...

Microsoft is in a decline. Linux is the future fuckers. Even Linux Hater knows it.

Anonymous said...

Microsoft is in a decline. Linux is the future fuckers. Even Linux Hater knows it.

So Windows 7 gaining 10% OS market share in 6 months is a sign of "decline" but Loonix stagnating at 1% for 10 years means it's the future? That's crappy logic even by freetard standards.

Anonymous said...

Yeh it is in decline. Most people are still using a 10 year old version of Windows b/c Microsoft can't get anyone to upgrade. That 10% is because of the illegal bundling with OEMs.

Anonymous said...

Yeh it is in decline. Most people are still using a 10 year old version of Windows b/c Microsoft can't get anyone to upgrade.

Windows 7 and Vista have 26% of the market. That's hardly no one.

That 10% is because of the illegal bundling with OEMs.

Really? So Dell has phased out all their Ubuntu desktops because they were selling too well? Yeah right...

Anonymous said...

Linux has made zero net gains in 10 years. Microsoft makes more profit in 2 days than Red Hat makes in an entire year.

Anonymous said...

Most people are still using a 10 year old version of Windows b/c Microsoft can't get anyone to upgrade.

That's because they don't need to if they don't want. Windows doesn't enforce a BiannualForcedDeathMarch(TM). Unlike in Loonix land one doesn't need to upgrade the entire operating system to use a new version of Firefox.

Anonymous said...

Linux completely dominates ebook readers. Even Sony's model uses Linux OS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_e-book_readers

TM Repository said...

This has to be officially the worst LHB post ever. It's funny though that the first posts where spam posts. A fitting tribute to a blog in severe decline.

That's the freetard thing to do, declare anything threatening your movement to be dying.

Anonymous said...

Linux completely dominates ebook readers. Even Sony's model uses Linux OS.

How can I run Compiz on this ebook reader? Oh right, not desktop linux. Quick, bring up routers and fridges.

TM Repository said...

Most people are still using a 10 year old version of Windows b/c Microsoft can't get anyone to upgrade.

But...but...I thought MicrosoftForcesYouToUpgrade(TM)

Anonymous said...

Who gives a shit about the desktop anyway. Microsoft must be so proud that they monopolise the Facebook retard market. Meanwhile, when people actually have serious use for computers, they use Linux. Not Windows. Just look at supercomputer marketshare numbers. It makes Microsoft software look like a sad joke.

Anonymous said...

The funny fact about Linux on routers is that it actually works. My cheap D-Link wireless router uses some sort of Linux variant (it even came with the GPL license agreement printed on paper!). It works, and works well not because of Linux, but because D-Link actually paid developers to do this. That, and the fact that usually, you never upgrade your router (unless there's a very good reason for that).

Anyway, considering that I interact with it through the usual web interface, and that I don't care what it runs (it could run anything, as long as it works) I'm fine with it. Actually it has many features I didn't expect from it's price range, and moving from an old Planet 4000 (witch is not consumer level) it was an upgrade.

Anonymous said...

Just look at supercomputer marketshare numbers.

Linux on supercomputers. Because everyone has one in the basement.

Anonymous said...

Windows: Duuuuuuh lets play farmville duh huh huh
Linux: Hello Gentlemen, lets simulate a motherfucking nuclear bomb.
Windows: how I do this in farmville ???

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Linux: Looks like some Koreans are wasting our pipes bandwidth on shitty FPSes, lets throttle them
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Anonymous said...

Oh here is another one

Linux: NASDAQ and NYSE, trade trade trade buy buy buy sell sell sell buy buy buy sell sell sell buy buy sell
Windows: LSE, buy buCRASH CRASH CRASH CRASH CRASH *fuck this shit, I'm installing Linux*

Anonymous said...

@ April 28, 2010 10:40 AM

Unlike in Loonix land one doesn't need to upgrade the entire operating system to use a new version of Firefox.

Hey genius, you can always download the version from mozilla and drop it in /opt/shittybrowser/. If you are going to bitch about something try a real problem, there are enough of them to aim at.

TM Repository said...

Hey genius, you can always download the version from mozilla and drop it in /opt/shittybrowser/. If you are going to bitch about something try a real problem, there are enough of them to aim at.

Yeah, unless Firefox won't let you download it, such as this case. Vince winds up having to use wget just to download the tarball. Really simple solution!

Anonymous said...

Windows: Duuuuuuh lets play farmville duh huh huh
Linux: Hello Gentlemen, lets simulate a motherfucking nuclear bomb.


So you're saying Linux users are unable to play farmville? I knew gaming was bad on a Linux but I didn't realize it extended to the web.

Anonymous said...

Just look at supercomputer marketshare numbers. It makes Microsoft software look like a sad joke.

Good job reviving the old TM! LinuxRunsSuperComputers(TM). Sure, it sucks on the desktop, the biggest marketshare by a factor of 100, but OMG U CAN SUPER COMPUTE!

TM Repository said...

Linux: NASDAQ and NYSE, trade trade trade buy buy buy sell sell sell buy buy buy sell sell sell buy buy sell

Anyone else find it funny that he's toting Linux as a foundation for capitalist trading markets when a few days ago he was insisting that everything should be free?

So what is it? Linux runs the capitalist world or Linux is the hippy commune that "liberates" us (no wait, not people, just software) from those markets?

Anonymous said...

@ April 28, 2010 1:46 PM

Both. Linux is just hardcore like that.

Anonymous said...

Less then 24 hours till Ubuntu 10.04 is released.

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Declination said...

Or, after you download firefox you have to do the .desktop file dance since the downloadable tgzs don't install shortcuts. Its pain I go through with linux though since the other option is to be left with ancient packages.

Dr Loser said...

@April 28, 2010 12:24 PM

Windows: LSE, buy buCRASH CRASH CRASH CRASH CRASH *fuck this shit, I'm installing Linux*

Oh, look, the people who wrote the nitwit software for the LSE have recanted:

Accenture.

(Silly me. It was the OS all along; not the giant stupid ex-accountancy consultants.)

I look forward to seeing modified LSE software on fridges, routers, and supercomputers.

Anonymous said...

Both. Linux is just hardcore like that.

So you are saying Linux is like Lil' Wayne? I get it now! Linux FTW!

Dr Loser said...

@April 28, 2010 2:18 PM

Less then 24 hours till Ubuntu 10.04 is released.

Hibernation came late for small, ineffectual, rodents this year, didn't it?

Dr Loser said...

In re Boo-Boo 10.04, which is apparently an LTS release ...

Here's an amusing demented defence of something the man has never even seen. I particularly like:

8.10 does everything I need and more, and it’s light-years ahead of the current market leader (XP).

Well, that's not what I particularly like, but it's bloody funny. What I meant to quote was:

Yes, us lxers we know that it’s remarkably close to “just working.” We know that if something doesn’t work there are a hundred different sites we can go to for help. We know that driver issues are rarely Ubuntu’s fault – they’re the fault of lazy hardware vendors.

All right, already. I'll download it to my bricked netbook.

If the video and the WiFi work, I can do without the audio and all those nasty patented and closed source applications I typically use.

What's the betting that either the video or the WiFi will fail miserably?

TM Repository said...

In re Boo-Boo 10.04, which is apparently an LTS release

I like how the latest release is some how considered a long term stable release the moment it's out.

To consider something a stable release means more than just saying it's the stable release. It has to actually be rock solid before you declare this. Do they not understand the term or something?

Anonymous said...

LTS = Long Term Support , that is all

That being said, this is definitely the most stable and robust Ubuntu release yet.

Anonymous said...

We know that driver issues are rarely Ubuntu’s fault – they’re the fault of lazy hardware vendors.

I guess they've never had the joy of a previously working piece of hardware that suddenly stopped working after an update because of the new and improved FOSS driver that is better than the driver provided by the manufacturer.

TM Repository said...

That being said, this is definitely the most stable and robust Ubuntu release yet.

Yeah, in a few more release maybe they'll reach the coveted Windows 2000 level of reliability.

Not the level of software support, of course, since 10 year old Win2K can run the latest firefox while the 6 year old Warty can't even download it without dropping to a CLI.

Anonymous said...

We know that driver issues are rarely Ubuntu’s fault – they’re the fault of lazy hardware vendors.

I would have responded sooner by my Ubuntu update broke my wireless that was working fine in the last version.

Anonymous said...

I love how the Freetards just had a giant orgasm at LH's post. A post that is clearly determined to break the 10,000 comment barrier.

LH (along with most PROFESSIONAL IT people) knows that the cloud is:

1970-80's: Time Sharing
1990's: Thin Client Computing (think giant technology stock market crash of the late '90's)
2000's: Cloud Computing

They're all the same thing. The only reason time sharing succeeded was most companies couldn't afford their own systems. I work for a large company and there is one reason and one reason only that they would never, ever store data in "The Cloud" (sidenote: everytime I hear/see that I think of the guy from Futurama who says, "Welcome to the world of tomorrow or whatever it is)

HIPAA

Unless the "cloud" carriers can guarantee that all information is completely and utterly secure, no company that holds any kind of personal information about anyone will use them.

You'll spout about, "But my Grandma" and I'll say, "Your Grandma doesn't make IT companies money. Boeing, Visa, Walmart...they make money for IT companies. You Grandma is a drop in a really huge bucket compared to them."

As soon as Shuttlecock sees his wealth drop below a certain level you'll see Ubuntu go the way of every other Linux distribution that tried and failed. His pockets aren't bottomless.

Linux is the the red headed step child that eats its own boogers, argues with itself and thinks that if it screams loud enough it will be heard never understanding that people don't like that.

And with IBM's announcement of resurrecting OS/2, what OS do you think is going to take the shaft from that.

Linux will.

Anonymous said...


Linux Hater has a point about the playing field being pretty level since web applications take all the Linux compatibility issues out of the equation.


No they don't because there is a huge list of applications that do not have web alternatives. You are also still limited with what you can do with web apps, especially when it comes to games or 3D apps.

LHB is the last person I would expect to claim that web apps are taking over.

Did Linux hater hand the blog to someone else? This post just seemed off.

Anonymous said...

Microsoft's sinking ship? They have the fastest selling OS in history and record profits? Which part is sinking?

ChromeOS is going to have flatline growth just like Linux when people realize it is only a web browser.

What the hell happened to this blog?

Anonymous said...

"What the hell happened to this blog?"

Plain and simple: It's owner is a freetard.

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Microsoft's sinking ship? They have the fastest selling OS in history and record profits? Which part is sinking?

It seems to me that Linux Hater is facetiously telling (pleading with?) the freetards to focus their attention on a market space that isn't already dominated by a big player.

Like he said, trying to topple Windows, or even Office for that matter, would be like FOSS expecting to topple Google's search engine empire.

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Anonymous said...

Yeah, in a few more release maybe they'll reach the coveted Windows 2000 level of reliability.

Not the level of software support, of course, since 10 year old Win2K can run the latest firefox while the 6 year old Warty can't even download it without dropping to a CLI.


Self-contained portable application frameworks may solve the problem.

I just made a portable version of tuxpaint that has all the dependencies bundled. I had to download individual RPM's and extract them into a directory structure then mess with LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Furthermore, parts of the binary (images, sound) have hard-coded paths to /usr/share, I had to create symbolic links to the directory structure.

Its clear that this can quickly become a time-consuming and tedious process.

Since these frameworks aren't typically used by mainstream distributions the user is responsible for packaging their own bleeding-edge applications in not so bleeding-edge distributions.

Binaries built with a newer a gcc and glibc won't typically work with older versions and thus older distributions. The apgcc wrapper for GCC can solve this problem by forcing the linker to link against older glibc symbols. However, as you've guessed this would mean that the user will have to re-compile the software with this compiler wrapper tool. Depending on the application and the targeted glibc version, it still may not work because the application may actually use newer functions from a the newer glibc library.

The other solution I can think of would be to create a "2 in 1" distribution.

The distribution itself can be a derivative of maybe CentOS, Ubuntu LTS, Debian Stable, etc. But included would be a bootstrap of a bleeding-edge distribution inside a chrooted or fakechrooted environment. So for example... the base can be CentOS but you can use the fakechroot to run apps from the latest Fedora release or rawhide. So people can have bleeding-edge user-mode software and a stable base for hardware drivers.

A bootstrap environment wouldn't be nearly as convoluted if there were a distribution that had this environment pre-configured by default.

TM Repository said...

Self-contained portable application frameworks may solve the problem.

A stable kernel might help too. I doubt they're bundling that with tuxpaint.

All your "solutions" seem needlessly painful and pointless since Windows and OSX figured this crap out decades ago.

Besides, I doubt repos will disappear any time soon. If they do, the zealots lose another bullet point on their "Switch to Linux" propaganda crusades. They simply won't let them be replaced because they're sooo convenient.

Anonymous said...

A stable kernel might help too. I doubt they're bundling that with tuxpaint.

These distributions definitely have a stable kernel. RHEL 5.x and CentOS 5.x will have their flavor of kernel 2.6.18 supported until 2014 and almost three years have lapsed already. Of course they aren't a vanilla 2.6.18 kernel. Drivers are backported as are fixes but the ABI remains essentially unchanged..

All your "solutions" seem needlessly painful and pointless since Windows and OSX figured this crap out decades ago.

PC-BSD has solved this issue as well. Presently, however, the selection of self-contained PBI's is a tiny fraction compared to the 21,000 ports in the FBSD ports tree and the 25,000+ Debian and Ubuntu packages.

Besides, I doubt repos will disappear any time soon. If they do, the zealots lose another bullet point on their "Switch to Linux" propaganda crusades. They simply won't let them be replaced because they're sooo convenient.

The repository model is a failure unless you're using an unstable distribution, such as Arch, where the packages are always bleeding-edge.

But I agree that the repository model is here to stay. I think the fakechroot idea is a doable concept if implemented properly and by default.

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Anonymous said...

"Besides, the desktop is dying. Web apps are taking over"

Then what will be great about Linux on the future? if web apps take over Linux will be just some layer of bits between your apps and the hardware, it's not going to be an OS in itself. What's going to be great about Linux in the future if is going to act as a browser host only? (sometimes invisible host)

chardt said...

Just look at supercomputer marketshare numbers.

In hopes of laying this to rest, let's reflect for a moment what a "supercomputer" is today and what kind of an OS it actually needs:
The days of big old Crays and the like are mostly gone, todays "supercomputers" are usually just a huge number of ordinary servers networked and numbercrunching on something, with thousand instances of the same program doing the work.
What OS functions are necessary for this ? I. e., do you need a fast scheduler ? Not really - load one instance of your program on every available core and leave them alone. Redundancy or high-availability ? Hundreds of machines take pretty much care of that. Security and administration ? I bet that almost all of those clusters are well insulated from the internet, with only few people actually "touching" the machines. Software availability ? No, since you write your own anyway. (But a Fortran compiler would be nice ;-)

So what you really need on those machines is little more than a kind of glorified 64-bit-DOS with networking. Any server OS would do, but the areas where Solaris and Windows offer advantages simply don't apply. Linux is good enough, free (remember, we're talking about hundreds and more of individual servers connected) and has a Fortran compiler, so it is elected. In this use-case Linux is a very viable solution - but does it make Linux a "Super-OS" ? Not by a long shot.

"Supercomputers" sounds very impressive, but if you think about what it really means it's something different.

Regards, Carsten

JoeMonco said...

No they don't because there is a huge list of applications that do not have web alternatives. You are also still limited with what you can do with web apps, especially when it comes to games or 3D apps.

Let's draw a line somewhere, shall we, for the sake of the discussion? Here's the thing - you can't have a client that's infinitely thin with everything done on the server side and on the server side only. The client, at the end of the day, will still be responsible for things like converting digital signals into audible waveforms, handling input from the user and rendering images on the screen. Now, tell me, which one of these things can Linux not do... Oh, sorry, I mean, which one of these three things can Linux actually do without turning belly-side up on you?

There has always been plugins addressig areas like 3D content catering and such since the late 90's*, but the problem remains that Linux is still by far one of the worst platforms for developing just client-side anything. With no sound, you get no multimedia contents. With no video, you get no games. And with no input, you get no nothing. End of story.

*Well, we know it's kind of a bummer to expect Linux to handle 3D content on its own. Thus, for the sake of the discussion, we will just assume there is some server-side magic pixie thing that can pre-render 3D stuff for you and transfer it to the client side in a compressed video streaming format with little or no latency.

Anonymous said...

Let's hear music:

Vivaldi - Winter

Anonymous said...

@APRIL 28, 2010 11:34 AM

What movement? I don't have a moment, shitfuck. LHB's post was nothing but freetarded bullshit. But hey, I'm sure you'll call me a Queefer or a freetard despite the fact that I never use Linux and don't preach the GNU manifesto.

Anonymous said...

That being said, this is definitely the most stable and robust Ubuntu release yet.


Which isn't really much of an accomplishment considering how unstable and brittle it has been for a couple of years.

Anonymous said...

Looks like Ubuntu 10.04 was delayed. :(
For what? Too many fucking bug.

Anonymous said...

So they are actually delaying it? That's one of the first sane moves that Canonical has made in a while. Too bad it'll still suck when it's officially released anyway. Loonix will continue to have a sub 1% market share while Win7 will probably end up with 15-20x more market share than Loonix by the next Umbooboo release.

Anonymous said...

M$ delays their OS all the time.
So STFU hatertards

Anonymous said...

@APRIL 29, 2010 7:20 AM

Do you need your nappy changed, crybaby?

Anonymous said...

10.04 is gonna be one hell of a facepalm release when it officially happens. Hopefully this can be the final death blow to this shitty distro and then maybe Linux as a whole will just go away.

Anonymous said...

@ April 29, 2010 7:28 AM

10.04 is gonna be one hell of a facepalm release when it officially happens.

But some jackass will still claim it to be "teh best eva."

Hopefully this can be the final death blow to this shitty distro and then maybe Linux as a whole will just go away.

Wishful thinking, Linux won't thoroughly disappear until IBM, Red Hat, Novell, and Oracle go belly up.

Anonymous said...

10.04 is gonna be one hell of a facepalm release when it officially happens.

Perhaps but even so its an LTS release meaning that its supported on the desktop for 3 years and 5 years on the server. In a years time the bugs in 10.04 will be mostly ironed out.

That is when 10.04 will be a suitable base with a bleeding-edge Ubuntu fakechroot environment inside--10.10 or 11.04.

Wishful thinking, Linux won't thoroughly disappear until IBM, Red Hat, Novell, and Oracle go belly up.

In which case the BSDs and Haiku will simply gain more momentum.

Anonymous said...

Wishful thinking, Linux won't thoroughly disappear until IBM, Red Hat, Novell, and Oracle go belly up.


Of course it's wishful thinking. Loonix sucks shit and needs to fucking go away. It still can't even compete with AmigaOS 2.0 in functionality and stability.

Dr Loser said...

I'm not very hopeful about 10.04. Here's a typically abject fanboi promo (doesn't mention better hardware support, doesn't mention more robust video or audio, etc etc. But it does have built-in social networking!). Don't click on the download link, btw -- it takes you to Intel, for some reason.

@April 29, 2010 8:12 AM

In a years time the bugs in 10.04 will be mostly ironed out.

Canonical does not have a particularly impressive record on this. Besides, there's bugs and then there's bugs. If I'm a naive user and it still ships with EXT4 as the default, for example, I'm not going to be impressed when I hear that this bug will be "mostly" ironed out a year after I've lost my large database file.

That really has to be one of the least impressive claims for any new operating system that I've ever heard.

That is when 10.04 will be a suitable base with a bleeding-edge Ubuntu fakechroot environment inside--10.10 or 11.04.

ie still useless unlike you're addicted to tinkering or derive some perverse pleasure from blood spurting out of your eyeballs.

In which case the BSDs and Haiku will simply gain more momentum.

Against Ubuntu, plausibly. Against Windows and OSX, hardly. Another stellar example of why we should download Ubuntu LTS.

Nevertheless, I'm going to do it anyway, in a genuine spirit of enquiry. I don't lose anything. Linux has already bricked my netbook. Maybe I just need a browner shade of brick.

Dr Loser said...

@April 29, 2010 8:12 AM

In a years time the bugs in 10.04 will be mostly ironed out.

Oh yes, and what you're implying here is that, if you don't go for an LTS version and wait a year, and are therefore subject to the BiannualForcedDeathMarch(TM),then a preponderance of your bugs will never be sorted out.

Frankly, I've seen stuff coming out of self-admitted knock-off shops in Taiwan that does a better job of quality assurance and customer satisfaction than this.

Anonymous said...

Why should on have to wait a year in order for an LTS to become stable? Isn't the whole point of an LTS release that it's supposed to be something one is assured is going to work? If one has to wait a year in order to use it, one might as well just use the 6 month crap releases that Canonical shits out.

Anonymous said...

Canonical does not have a particularly impressive record on [bug fixing].

This is why Space Tourist wants everyone to release in a synchronized manner using the same version numbers. He wants to use their bug fixes because his genius crew can't hack it.

Anonymous said...

His crew of dimwits creates more bugs in a piece of software with their supposed fixes than were there to begin with.

Dr Loser said...

@April 29, 2010 9:15 AM

Sorry: careless self-editing. I meant to suggest that the very concept of a (bug-ridden) LTS makes a mockery of the bog-standard Canonical 6 month churn. Only an idiot would sign up for something that will never be more than halfway there.

(Also, in the previous post, I meant "unless" rather than "unlike.")

TM Repository said...

10.04 rc boots into black/blank screen

Apparently this bug affects anyone with an Intel 82852/855GM integrated graphics chip, which are quite common. This yields a black screen on boot up and gives no terminal or X.

Bet that's going to ruin some Ubuntu launch parties.

Anonymous said...

@APRIL 29, 2010 9:28 AM

I wasn't referring to you. I was talking to the same person you were.

Anonymous said...

@APRIL 29, 2010 9:46 AM

Cue snickerdouche to come along and play his pathetic semantics games to try to claim that it really isn't a severe bug like he tried with all the bugs in 9.10.

Dr Loser said...

@APRIL 29, 2010 9:28 AM

I wasn't referring to you. I was talking to the same person you were.

Yes, I realised that immediately following the submit button. Yet more shoddy self-editing.

@April 29, 2010 9:46 AM

Bet that's going to ruin some Ubuntu launch parties.

It's a pathetic concept, isn't it?

Maybe I'm not much of a people person, but frankly the thought of standing around with a bunch of dull losers I've never met and celebrating something that will make next to no difference in my life brings me out in hives.

It's the sort of thing you find in weird organisations designed to fill in those vast empty moments in your life, like the Women's Institute.

Or self-ordained clubs like Mensa, where at the end of a week-long "conference" you all join together and bounce up and down for no reason except, you know, you're there.

Or those horrible company-ordained breaks where you get to celebrate the engagement of somebody you've never heard of to somebody else (who works for the company) of whose existence you were only peripherally aware -- which normally involve ice-cream cakes and fizzy sugary drinks. Neither of which is palatable.

Or those stupid togetherness-building exercises where, after a successful project, the entire division is invited to a picnic down the local park, and "Bring Your Own Food!"

(Actually, I quite enjoyed that one. Creamed tuna in mayo with a subtle hint of habanero sauce on a bed of radishes certainly sorts the men from the boys.)

This is the sort of communal behaviour that we have accidentally inherited from our proto-hominid past.

And what are the proto-hominids going to do this Thursday evening, now that the Next Big Canonical Thing has, er, been put on the back-burner?

Anonymous said...

For anyone who doesn't remember or missed this exchange here is the quoted exchange:

Snickerdouche: Come on, Ubuntu 9.10 is not that bad. The bugs must have been fixed by now. The main thing is, it is embraced by its users. People seem to like these six-month releases. They whine a little, but they stick around.

Me: Sure they have. Just like at how many high priority bugs listed. Sure it's down from what it used to be but they would really release something as final with even a single critical bug and dozens upon dozens of high priority ones?

Snickerdouche: They don't look that bad. You people are such whiners!

Besides, if Ubuntu users have (more or less) learned to live with Ubuntu and love it, what exactly is your problem here? You just want to see Ubuntu go down. When that doesn't occur, you get upset and throw tantrums on this board. You label Ubuntu users as masochists. But when the Linux supporters rightly call the Windows users "stupid", y'all have a big problem with it.

Me: Then why are they listed as high priority? Do you understand the connotation?

Snickerdouche: That appears to be a relative measure. They are saying they are going to fix these first among all the bugs they are dealing with. It doesn't say the bugs are bad in any absolute sense.

Me: Oh okay. And critical bugs aren't really that important either right? It's all just relative, huh?

Snickerdouche: Critical Shmitical. The first bug is "critical" if you use ext4. But you can use ext3 free of cost for now, so it is not so critical. See?

Me: You mean the same ext4 that is used by default that most users won't know to not use? That same one?

Then it just devolves from their into snickerdouche bleating on about mindless crap.

Dr Loser said...

@April 29, 2010 10:17 AM

If only Blogger was threaded, you wouldn't have to put the effort in. Excellent re-threading, anyway.

Snickerdouche: Come on, Ubuntu 9.10 is not that bad. The bugs must have been fixed by now. The main thing is, it is embraced by its users. People seem to like these six-month releases. They whine a little, but they stick around.

It is. Bugs haven't. You do not fix bugs by compulsion. You fix bugs by actual work. Any "user" who "embraces" 9.10 is presumably a fanatic who lacks a suitable blow-up doll. People do not like broken six-month releases. This is why they whine. They stick around because they are mindless optimists.

...Then it just devolves from their into snickerdouche bleating on about mindless crap.

What do you mean, "devolves?" Snickerdouche has a world-wide patent on mindless crap.

Anonymous said...

Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is here!

Anonymous said...

@ April 29, 2010 9:46 AM

That bug also affects older AMD IGP chips as well. Love that kernel mode setting...

Anonymous said...

I love the Ubuntu 10.04 LTS release notes.

Anonymous said...

Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is here!

Long-term syphilis?

Anonymous said...

Don't put Loonix on your computer. It'll get AIDS and CDC will have to close the pool.

Anonymous said...

@APRIL 29, 2010 11:23 AM

LOL @ the ext4 performance issues yet they still make it the default filesystem. Canonical really is incompetent.

Anonymous said...

Ubuntu 10.04 LTS includes improved integration for nVidia binary driver packages. Unfortunately, this comes at the expense of compatibility with the installer provided upstream on the nVidia website. Users who wish to use the nVidia binary video drivers with 10.04 LTS should install them using the Ubuntu packages, as made available under System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers.


The italicized part of this doesn't make any sense. So they are working to improve integration with the nvidia driver but at the same time this had led it to be incompatible with the latest drivers? WTF?

Anonymous said...

in plain English:

We've copied Debian's nVidia packages and their backassward diversion of libGL.so because we're too stupid to support our own packages.

Anonymous said...

Canonical sort of builds the house, then levels it to the ground, and with what's left they rebuild the whole thing again in a 6 month period.

Is it really surprising that it never goes anywhere? At least it got a fresh coat of paint this time... I'm sure that'll fix bug#1

TM Repository said...

Canonical sort of builds the house, then levels it to the ground, and with what's left they rebuild the whole thing again in a 6 month period.

Haha, that's an awesome analogy. Good enough to tweet.

Anonymous said...

Ridiculous reasons why Xandros is dying, from OSNEWS:


Xandros were simply hopeless and didn't understand what they were getting into. They didn't commit to improving the open source software they were using and I'm afraid you're going to get nowhere with a proprietary file manager that you've hacked up behind closed doors.


http://www.osnews.com/comments/23209

Yeah right. The only thing why xandros is dying is because the distro costs money.

Anonymous said...

I was hoping that your talk is out of criticism,

but I found out it was out of hatred !

.. no need to say anything

Anonymous said...

Then why say anything?

Anonymous said...

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/570765

When installing in a dual boot environment, the other operating system will not appear at first in the GRUB menu. Installing the available updates and rebooting will fix this issue.

[Muntz]Ha Ha![/Muntz]

JoeMonco said...

Yeah right. The only thing why xandros is dying is because the distro costs money.

Apparently, this is why MicrosoftIsDying(TM)!

Boy - this TM never gets old!

Anonymous said...

I apologize in advance for Canonical's 100 man development team's inability to make an OS that contains 500 million lines of code perfectly bug free.

Surprisingly enough though Ubuntu 10.04 is working fine for me. How about ya'll try it before trashing it?

Anonymous said...

I apologize in advance for Canonical's 100 man development team's inability to make an OS that contains 500 million lines of code perfectly bug free.

It's fine. Here we know that they can't pull it off. May I remind you that setting ridiculously high expectations (bug #1) it's something that Canonical brought on themselves?

You can't have it both ways.

Anonymous said...

The truth is freetards hate Ubuntu too. They say the only "good distributions" are the ones approved by the FSF:

http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html

Anonymous said...

100 is a ludicrous number of developers. I mean the core team of even large projects rarely exceeds 20 or so. Therefore, Ubuntu should have enough resources to make major improvements in multiple areas. It's actually quite shocking how little progress it has made, especially when you factor that 99.9% of the work is done by Debian and upstream projects. One has to wonder exactly what these cretins do all day. The worst part of all this is the number of full time paid Ubuntu developers is actually closer to 200.

Anonymous said...

Canonical does not have a particularly impressive record on this. Besides, there's bugs and then there's bugs. If I'm a naive user and it still ships with EXT4 as the default, for example, I'm not going to be impressed when I hear that this bug will be "mostly" ironed out a year after I've lost my large database file.

The file corruption bugs in EXT4 are fixed from what I understand. But these fixes also resulted in file system performance regressions.

ie still useless unlike you're addicted to tinkering or derive some perverse pleasure from blood spurting out of your eyeballs.

Running the latest applications on an LTS release or similar distribution is useless? Configuring a fakechroot is pretty simple. It just takes a little time to download all the library packages necessary to run GUI apps inside the chroot.

Anonymous said...

The file corruption bugs in EXT4 are fixed from what I understand.

If the topic were Microsoft, you wouldn't be like, "EXT4 corruption? That's so 2009! Get with the times, man!" In that case, it'd be, "Remember WinNuke! Can't trust 'em! Even though they stole BSD at gunpoint they still can't make a TCP/IP stack!" I mean you guys are still talking about Vista's comparatively minor copy bug and that was fixed, what, two and a half years ago?

Anonymous said...

No we just think it's funny you guys hold a free OS to a higher standard then one made by a Fortune 10 company worth hundreds of billions of dollars.

As I said, Ubuntu 10.04 is working fine for me. I'm sorry there is some bugs with some last-last-last-last generation integrated graphics chips. I'm sorry ext4 traded reliability for performance (by default). But, I think you will survive.

Anonymous said...

Why should on have to wait a year in order for an LTS to become stable? Isn't the whole point of an LTS release that it's supposed to be something one is assured is going to work? If one has to wait a year in order to use it, one might as well just use the 6 month crap releases that Canonical shits out.

An LTS release isn't guaranteed to be anymore stable at the time of release than any other Ubuntu release. The reason is because all the packages are bleeding-edge either way.

The difference is that LTS releases are supported for much longer and so will eventually become stable after months and years of bug fixes. RHEL, CentOS, and Scientific Linux have enterprise-class stability and are supported for 7 years.

Anonymous said...

LTS = Long Term Support

Nothing more then what is on the label. It makes no promise of any special stability or magical abilities or anything like that. All it means is Canonical will commercially support it longer then normal. THAT IS ALL.

Anonymous said...

What's the rationale for lowering standards? Where's the gain? What's it worth other than a curiosity that's forgotten after a weekend of tinkering?

Anonymous said...

Shit dude, the bug you listed effects people with a certain model of video chipset that is no longer in circulation.

It doesn't affect me or my Nvidia card one bit. That is the most serious shit you can come up with wrong with this release?

ext4 performing poorly? It still way faster then NTFS (true story), and in most cases every other Linux filesystem as well. And the reason in performs worse is because of added barriers. Oh noes more reliability, that is clearly a evil regression. O_o

Is that all guys? Can you give me some real reason to hate Ubuntu and/or Linux?

Anonymous said...

Is that all guys? Can you give me some real reason to hate Ubuntu and/or Linux?

It's not free software.

Declination said...

ext4 performing poorly? It still way faster then NTFS (true story)
My question to you is, does filesystem performance matter at all on the desktop. I could just as easily trot out how ext series sucks because it doesn't support sparse files. Again, that's something that is useful to a minimal amount of people. On the other hand, having your data chewed up and spat out in an unrecognizable pile of bits is important to pretty much everyone.

Anonymous said...

having your data chewed up and spat out in an unrecognizable pile of bits is important to pretty much everyone.

Dude, where have you been? ThatWasFixedYesterday(TM)

Anonymous said...


I just made a portable version of tuxpaint


LOL so many levels of fail here

Anonymous said...

I could just as easily trot out how ext series sucks because it doesn't support sparse files.

You could aye?

Nevermind that all versions of Ext support them.

Anonymous said...

LOL so many levels of fail here

C'mon man... tuxpaint is jawesome!

KTuerling is epic too!

Anonymous said...

I just made a portable version of tuxpaint

MSPaint from Windows 7 runs on Windows 95. I didn't have to do a thing to make it portable. It just was.

TM Repository said...

Shit dude, the bug you listed effects people with a certain model of video chipset that is no longer in circulation.

I see, so that must mean nobody is affect, right? Except that its a very common chipset that lots of people use.

If LinuxRunsOnOldHardware(TM) and LinuxSupportsMoreHardwareThanWindows(TM) then why is it NOT supported? Right, because Ubuntu has a breakneck release cycle and sucks balls because of it.

Anonymous said...

If LinuxRunsOnOldHardware(TM) and LinuxSupportsMoreHardwareThanWindows(TM) then why is it NOT supported?

Didn't you hear him? Because the chipset is no longer in production it doesn't need to be supported anymore. The fact that windows still supports it just means windows is, like, bloated n stuff!

Anonymous said...

So it feels the post is off???

Face it guys: Linux ***SUCKS*** in THE DESKTOP (The WHOLE point of Linuxhater's Blog!!) but in the NET and SERVER side it just ***OBLITERATES*** the competition. In a cloud computing environment THE SERVER side is what matters and the user only sees a browser and one web application to do some work, or have some fun.

You don't need a steamroller to crack nuts, and in this case just use Windows and MSIE or Firefox or Opera to do something on the cloud and just let the linux SERVER do the work for you. This way, you can enjoy the good moments of the life, and the zealots and freetards are keept where they belong: their basements at Datacenters and Server.

But as usual, freetards, wintards, and anyone *.tard can't see the trees in the forest. At least the Linuxhater can, and maybe others like him.

TM Repository said...

In a cloud computing environment THE SERVER side is what matters and the user only sees a browser and one web application to do some work, or have some fun.

Unless you want to do any sort of realtime work or play.

Besides, it isn't about the server, it's about the apps ON the server. Nobody cares if they're visiting a site made in ASP.NET, PHP, Django, Ruby on Rails, or JSP, all of which run on any server.

Get over yourself, because you're falling for LH's goating big-time. The cloud is about centralizing data, not centralizing apps. If it were about centralizing apps then why are there so many desktop twitter clients?

Anonymous said...

The cloud is about centralizing data, not centralizing apps. If it were about centralizing apps then why are there so many desktop twitter clients?

Thank you! The web is just another client to cloud data.

Anonymous said...

I see, so that must mean nobody is affect, right? Except that its a very common chipset that lots of people use.

Yes maybe a tiny fraction of all Ubuntu users are affected. If this is the most serious bug you can up with you are reaching.

Anonymous said...

Not a good day to be a MS fanboy.

Courier dead
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/microsoft-confirms-kills-courier-in-one-fell-swoop/

HP Slate dead
http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/29/hewlett-packard-to-kill-windows-7-tablet-project/

Who wants to take bets on what the new HP Slate will run? Oh wait, that's not much of a bet is it.

YearOfTheLinuxTablet(tm)

Anonymous said...

Let's see, we already got:
YearOfTheLinuxSupercomputer(tm)
YearOfTheLinuxMobile(tm)
YearOfTheLinuxServer(tm)
YearOfTheLinuxRouter(tm)
YearOfTheLinuxRefrigerator(tm)

Who knows, maybe
YearOfTheLinuxDesktop(tm)
will become a reality. :P

Let us pray for Linux!

TM Repository said...

Not a good day to be a MS fanboy.

Courier dead


Oh no, a concept product that was never released won't be released? Say it ain't so.

Guess we'll just have to use the multitude of tablets that exist or, get this, the iPad. Freetards don't realize that consumers don't care.

Anonymous said...

The best anti-MS news of today:

Ubuntu 10.04 Released!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Yes maybe a tiny fraction of all Ubuntu users are affected. If this is the most serious bug you can up with you are reaching.

Windows doesn't break it. So why the fuck does Ubuntu?

Anonymous said...

It is not really even Ubuntu's fault, it's a bug Intel introduced.

Windows is not a perfect OS by any measurement. Otherwise I wouldn't be downloading service packs all the time!

Anonymous said...

The best anti-MS news of today:

Ubuntu 10.04 Released!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


the best? If anything this helps Microsoft. Every 6 months another broken release, another cheer squad, another disappointment.

Anonymous said...

2010 is the year of the Linux desktop baby!

Anonymous said...

It is not really even Ubuntu's fault, it's a bug Intel introduced.

Yeah yeah, we know its intel's fault, it's nvidia's fault, ItsUpstreamsFault(TM)...anything but Ubuntu's fault.

If it were Windows you freetards would be jumping all over it. Have some humility you fucking cunts.

Anonymous said...

Anyway you Windoze users should be happy. Linux keeps the price of your shit OS down. If it didn't exist Microsoft could get away with charging $300 / PC to an OEM without much difficulty.

Anonymous said...

2010 is the year of the Linux desktop baby!

Hopefully Linux_Victim is watching, this is one to add to the historical archives. Just like 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997...2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, etc.

Anonymous said...

Yeah yeah, we know its intel's fault, it's nvidia's fault, ItsUpstreamsFault(TM)...anything but Ubuntu's fault.

If it were Windows you freetards would be jumping all over it. Have some humility you fucking cunts.


So basically you are saying you are full of shit, but you are trolling to get back at the non-Linux users who blamed Microsoft for Nvidia's crashy drivers? Lawl okay.

But seriously, it's Intel's fault.

Anonymous said...

Wow Microsoft was pushed right out of the tablet/slate market. Woosh!

Make room for the Linux tablets Ballmer!

TM Repository said...

Anyway you Windoze users should be happy. Linux keeps the price of your shit OS down. If it didn't exist Microsoft could get away with charging $300 / PC to an OEM without much difficulty.

And what's keeping Apple from charging the same for each OSX update?

You realize, Apple is the actual competitor, freetards just think, no wait, "believe" they're the competitors. The reality, %1 marketshare is statistically insignificant.

Anonymous said...

LOL BRILLIANT.

HP got Ballmer to showcase an HP tablet that isn't even going to be running Windoze! Holy cockshit.

I wish HP the best of luck. Smart OEMs (like Apple) don't let Micro$uck design their software for them. They do it IN HOUSE. That is the key to Apple's success, the complete non-reliance on Microsoft's bloated and overpriced software.

I'm glad HP is learning, maybe Dell will too. Drop Windoze like the piece of shit it is and we can move on as a computer industry.

TM Repository said...

Wow Microsoft was pushed right out of the tablet/slate market

Except that there are hundreds of Windows tablets, running both XP and Windows 7.

Windows 7 on Motion Computing F5 Tablet PC

Archos Launches 9" Tablet with Windows 7

to name a few.

Anonymous said...

I'm glad HP is learning, maybe Dell will too. Drop Windoze like the piece of shit it is and we can move on as a computer industry.

Drop it like the dropped Linux?

Anonymous said...

I hear that Ubuntu has Jew-free code. Is this true? I'm looking for an OS that is Jew-free.

Anonymous said...

So basically you are saying you are full of shit, but you are trolling to get back at the non-Linux users who blamed Microsoft for Nvidia's crashy drivers?

The last version of Ubuntu works with the chips, the latest version doesn't work with the chips. That's Ubuntu's fault. If it had between releases, maybe you could say it's intel's fault, but it's not.

Anonymous said...

More like they just bought a $1.2 billion dollar Linux based OS. Deal with it haterfags, the era of Micro$oft bloatware is over. The era of shitty computing, gone.

In it's place a new era of smarter, better computers and OEMs who have control of their competitive destiny. An era of Linux.

THE FUTURE IS OPEN

Anonymous said...

The last version of Ubuntu works with the chips, the latest version doesn't work with the chips. That's Ubuntu's fault. If it had between releases, maybe you could say it's intel's fault, but it's not.

Windows XP worked with my Nvidia card without crashing 5 times per day. The latest version doesn't. So it is Microsoft's fault.

Anonymous said...

I hear that Ubuntu has Jew-free code. Is this true? I'm looking for an OS that is Jew-free.

I'm a Jew and contributed to the kernel. No code is Jew free. We control the media, remember? Media includes source code. The only way to avoid Jew code is to turn off your computer, go outside and make some friends.

Anonymous said...

Uh oh, everyone aboard the Oombooboo FAIL train. Another death march, another show stopping bug to show the stupidity of this OS.

Anonymous said...

I hear that Ubuntu has Jew-free code. Is this true? I'm looking for an OS that is Jew-free.

Nope. In fact much of the core functionality is written by a infamous bearded barefoot Jew.

Anonymous said...

Windows XP worked with my Nvidia card without crashing 5 times per day. The latest version doesn't. So it is Microsoft's fault.

Which card specifically? is it an embedded card in your laptop that will render it useless? Doubtful.

XP still runs the 855GM chip without issue. The drivers for it support all the features too.

Anonymous said...

I'm a Jew and contributed to the kernel. No code is Jew free. We control the media, remember? Media includes source code. The only way to avoid Jew code is to turn off your computer, go outside and make some friends.

You can't avoid the Jew rays if you are outside.

Anonymous said...


Which card specifically? is it an embedded card in your laptop that will render it useless? Doubtful.

XP still runs the 855GM chip without issue. The drivers for it support all the features too.


Some bearded barefoot Jew broke into my house and pissed on my Windows machine. Now it will not boot. This is also Microsoft's fault.

Anonymous said...

You can't avoid the Jew rays if you are outside.

Yes, we Jews control the sun, didn't you know? We love racism because it makes you scabs easy to control too. If you don't like us being rich, stop giving us your money so desperately.

Anonymous said...

OMFG A BUG IN UBUNTU 10.04 FORCES A SPECIFIC 10 YEAR OLD MODEL OF INTEGRATED GRAPHICS INTO VESA MODE. AS SOMEONE WHO IS A FANATIC OF REALLY OLD AND SHITTY GRAPHICS PROCESSORS, I AM SO INSULTED BY THIS. HOW DARE THEY RELEASE AN OS WITHOUT DELAYING IT FOR MY SHITTY 10 YEAR OLD LAPTOP? WHO CAN I SEND MY MAJOR MAJOR COMPLAINT TO? THANKS -BILLYBOB

Anonymous said...

Never have I seen such desperate trolling on behalf of the freetards. All caps, bugs don't matter, there are no tanks in Baghdad.

Poor kids.

Anonymous said...

OMFG A BUG IN UBUNTU 10.04 FORCES A SPECIFIC 10 YEAR OLD MODEL OF INTEGRATED GRAPHICS INTO VESA MODE.

Into a black screen with no terminal and no X. If it wasn't an issue there wouldn't be a bug report.

Anonymous said...

OMFG A BUG IN UBUNTU 10.04 FORCES A SPECIFIC 10 YEAR OLD MODEL OF INTEGRATED GRAPHICS INTO VESA MODE. AS SOMEONE WHO IS A FANATIC OF REALLY OLD AND SHITTY GRAPHICS PROCESSORS, I AM SO INSULTED BY THIS. HOW DARE THEY RELEASE AN OS WITHOUT DELAYING IT FOR MY SHITTY 10 YEAR OLD LAPTOP? WHO CAN I SEND MY MAJOR MAJOR COMPLAINT TO? THANKS -BILLYBOB

Windows runs it without a problem, why can't Ubuntu? If it's nvidia's fault, why does it still work in windows? besides the fact that you're full of shit.

Anonymous said...

OW DARE THEY RELEASE AN OS WITHOUT DELAYING IT FOR MY SHITTY 10 YEAR OLD LAPTOP? WHO CAN I SEND MY MAJOR MAJOR COMPLAINT TO?

Apparently they send it to the Ubuntu bug tracker on Launchpad!

Anonymous said...

Netbook Battery Life 1 hour in 10.04

Installing Ubuntu 10.04 can not detect bluetooth keyboard and mouse

Ubuntu 10.04 installation issues

Lucid Install, I think it's a graphics card problem, but not sure.. help?

Ubuntu 10.04 setup process not detecting hard drives. Unable to setup

Lucid: GRUB breaks EFI

No sound and cant change res in 10.04

The list goes on and on...

Anonymous said...

ooombooboo is aboard the fail train. It's pathetic and useless. Shuttlecock has wasted his money

:O

Anonymous said...

Shuttlecock has wasted his money

I feel sorry for the guy. He invested his time and money in something he thought was worthwhile, only to be let down by a community full of Zionist bullshitters who were too cheap to pay for software.

Anonymous said...

I feel sorry for the guy. He invested his time and money in something he thought was worthwhile, only to be let down by a community full of Zionist bullshitters who were too cheap to pay for software.

It would be like providing aid to a city hit by an earthquake, only to have the citizens use that money to buy cars to run each other over.

How long until Shuttleworth finally pulls out and tells Ubuntu to try and survive on its own. How many freetard would say "I like Ubuntu, but I want free software so I'm not willing to pay".

Anonymous said...

I've just tried to boot the Lucid LiveCD and I got a blackscreen. I have an ATI card. Which worked with the beta. LOL

Anonymous said...

only to be let down by a community full of Zionist bullshitters who were too cheap to pay for software.


This place is full of nazis

Anonymous said...

This place is full of nazis


Yawn, again a nazi topic.. Not everyone who has a beef with jews in any form is automatically a nazi. But anyway, there is a very interesting aspect to this.

Did you know that the Nazis in likelihood exterminated hundreds of thousands, maybe million(s) of people in the camps, whom they classified as "racially jewish", although their ancestors probably never had an ancestral connection to Israel?


Let me quote from an official nazi document:

http://www.deathcamps.org/reinhard/korherr_en.htm



---

...statistics – partially as a statistical makeshift, partially due to the wide coincidence between Jewish faith and Jewish race, partially in ignorance of the idea of race, partially due to the religious thinking of the respective time – have until lastly recorded Jews according to their religious confession and almost never according to their race. The recording of the race requires a training of many years and also ancestry research. It also turned out to be difficult mainly in the southern and eastern countries, given that despite all coincidence a uniform Jewish race was difficult to delimitate. The adhesion to Mosaic or Israeli faith in turn is no fully valid proof, given that due to the former Jewish missionary movement with its taking in of heathens and Christians, and also due to "conversions" to Jewry and mixed marriages in more recent times, there are not a few confessional Jews of non-Jewish race, while on the other hand forced christianizing and the number of baptized Jews that again increased in the last century, together with the number of non-confessionals of Jewish race, brought down the number of Jews. In 1893 Leroy-Beaulieu estimated the loss of Jewry to Christianity at four to ten times its present-day adherents; according to Maurice Fishberg and Mathias Mieses three times the actual number of Jews have merged with Aryan Europe. Even Hans Günther estimates the number of Jews in Germany at double the number of Jews of Mosaic faith who have German citizenship. The Lithuanian Jew Brutzkus even goes as far as to consider the Jews of Berlin as more pure Europeans, according to the composition of their blood, than the Germans of Berlin.

In accordance with these opinions the number of racial Jews including half-breeds in Europe has been frequently calculated as three times as high as that of the confessional Jews (twice as high in Eastern Europe, four times as high in Central Europe, even eight times as high in the rest of Europe)....


------


Yes, that's from an official nazi document, the Korherr Report.


Here is it in German:

http://www.ns-archiv.de/verfolgung/korherr/korherr-lang.php


The nazis classified the jews not on religious basis, but as "race". How were you "racially jewish"? If your grandparents were religiously jewish!

Problem is, they knew well that this means jack shit, as this report shows.

Baffling was that what religion the grand grandparents belonged to didn't matter.


There were cases where people proved that their grand grand parents CONVERTS to Judaism, but they were still "racially jewish", because their grand parents were jews.

There were other cases where it was proven that the grand grand parents of "aryan Germans" were originally jewish, who converted to Christianity, and these people were STILL considered "racially German"!



As despicable as genocide is, the nazis managed to screw it up even more, and they were fully aware of it, as the document shows.

That's why the common slogan "The Germans killed the Jews" (were "Germans" and "Jews" are defined as "race") is missleading.

And I know that these facts here are highly un-PC, and tend to enrage a vast majority of people. Including neo-nazis, stormfronters and "extremist" jews.

Anonymous said...

Actually I feel sorry for the Ubuntu devs. Imagine what it's like working on source code written by thousands of people during the years, all thw while using compilers and debuggers stuck in the '70s.

1234swordy said...

LHB is a google fanboy?

Anonymous said...

2011 WILL BE THE YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1077990546282608126#

Anonymous said...

So let's re-cap the Ubuntu release:

Common IGP chips from two manufacturers Intel and ATi are booted into an unusable black screen and that is perfectly alright because there is no need to support unsupported hardware.

Grub2 fails to recognize other operating systems (including pre-existing linux installs), but something that should have been caught in internal testing before the CD images were uploaded is again perfectly alright because those 200 employees do not have the manpower to accomplish such complicated testing as installing their shit alongside some other shit.

Ubuntu users should use this as a wake up call to realize just how shoddy Canonical's product is, sadly they won't, they'll just call me a troll.

Anonymous said...

Apparently the coming ARMageddon is no longer going to be on the desktop or in netbooks. The ARMageddon is instead going to hit servers. The postings are full of the same usual "Windows is teh screwed!!" "zOMG Imma gonna run a server with one of these" nonsensical Loonix ravings as one would expect.

Anonymous said...

@APRIL 30, 2010 6:35 AM

It's funny how uncomfortable everyone behind him looks. The applause at the end was clearly forced and strained.

Anonymous said...

whatever...
http://gizmodo.com/5527989/sony-sued-for-pulling-ps3-linux-support

aaw.. come one, linux fail at desktop, so does on consoles (what to expect? linux in consoles can run genetic algorithm for all variations?) ... ps3 is just great for games. It's the linux community itself who is doing more damages to the consoles. Gamers? They just don't care what shit running inside their games consoles, as long they run, they can play games. That's it.

Please whhhiiinneee...

Anonymous said...

Windows is not a perfect OS by any measurement. Otherwise I wouldn't be downloading service packs all the time!

You mean all five of them in the last nine years? Furthermore, there are redundancies since you wouldn't be applying XP SP3 and Vista SP1/SP2.

So, assuming you went with Windows XP fairly early on and upgraded to Vista before SP1, that's a total of four (XP SP1, XP SP2, Vista SP1, Vista SP2). You can try fudging Windows 7 in there, but I doubt many with computers from 2008 are burning to upgrade.

It's even better if you skipped Vista and stuck with XP: just three service packs in the last decade! Most people have bought three computers in the past decade so there's a chance that none of them were applied to an existing system.

Meanwhile, how many versions has Ubuntu put out? 12? And the product isn't even six years old. That's a rate of one per every 168 days. Kinda disingenuous to lambaste service packs here when Ubuntu essentially requires a whole system reformat to accomplish the same purpose, at a rate that's three or four times faster at that.

Anonymous said...

Windows is not a perfect OS by any measurement. Otherwise I wouldn't be downloading service packs all the time!


All the time? Service packs have only come out like once every 2 years. On the other hand when you run Oompoopoo you download like a dozen security updates a day.

Anonymous said...

How long until Shuttleworth finally pulls out and tells Ubuntu to try and survive on its own.

I think he's already exhibited signs of hedging his bets. Someone posted an interview some time ago where he was somewhat distancing himself from Ubuntu's long term, but he played it down by saying he did the same thing with Thawte.

Anonymous said...

An ARM...server? I mean, back in the day, I listened interestedly in the ARM desktop and the ARM netbook, but this is just batshit. ARM doesn't come anywhere near scaling for the workloads, unless the "server" is that thing that runs off potatoes.

Anonymous said...

@APRIL 30, 2010 8:05 AM

ARM is mostly posturing. Nothing of any significance will really come of it like their bleatings about netbooks, tablets and desktops.

Anonymous said...

[Shuttleworth] played it down by saying he did the same thing with Thawte.

There is a clear difference here, though, no one in their right mind would be willing to pay much money for a company that hasn't turned a profit.

Dr Loser said...

@April 29, 2010 6:24 PM

LTS = Long Term Support

Nothing more then what is on the label. It makes no promise of any special stability or magical abilities or anything like that. All it means is Canonical will commercially support it longer then normal. THAT IS ALL.


Shucks, maybe I won't download it after all. Let me see if I've got this straight:

(1) It isn't a real OS (you know, tested, works with hardware, has useful apps, etc)
(2) It's no more reliable than the usual six-month crap
(3) Bugs won't be fixed any quicker
(4) However, you now have the privilege of spending three to five years hearing ItsFreeYouCantComplain(TM). Not just the standard six months.
(5) "Support" means logging in to the Ubuntu forum, being deluged with useless and irrelevant information, being told to UseEsotericWorkarounds(TM), and then being slagged off as a n00b.

Yeah, I can quite see how LTS is a huge step forward towards DesktopWorldDomination(TM)

Anonymous said...

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1464495

"Must say I was pleasantly surprised. Everything else *just worked*"

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1466567

"Wow! I expected something great but instead I got something amazing."

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1466039

"i don't know about anyone else but this edition of ubuntu is just awesome"

Anonymous said...

@ April 30, 2010 10:19 AM

Its called Stealth Marketing, don't fall for it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/23/60minutes/main579657.shtml

Anonymous said...

loons gulp down shit sandwiches so they probably really do think its awesome

Anonymous said...

Yes and you are nothing but a bunch of M$ Shills.

Anonymous said...

@APRIL 30, 2010 10:46 AM

Ballmer wanted me to tell you that you're a fag.

TM Repository said...

Yes and you are nothing but a bunch of M$ Shills.

Who run OSX, BSD and Solaris. Of course.

Anonymous said...

@APRIL 30, 2010 10:46 AM

Oh and Ballmer said to tell your mom that she better stock back up on the lube this afternoon. Him and Bill are coming by the plow her ass again at around 5.

TM Repository said...

"Must say I was pleasantly surprised. Everything else *just worked*"

It's sad when something worked it's a surprise.

Doesn't change the fact that the last two days of posts on the Ubuntu forums have been 95% bugs and issues.

Just look at Today's Posts

HELP...cannot boot into 10.04 after upgrade

Ubuntu 10.04 can view wireless networks, but will not connect

Wireless connection problem

No Sound On Install

Sound Problems 10.04

10.4 overheating laptop

10.04 upgrade - no desktop

This is handful from the first damn page.

Anonymous said...

"Must say I was pleasantly surprised. Everything else *just worked*"

Is this the same "everything just works" like the Triple Sonic Boom You Win post from LH? You know, the one that says "everything just worked well except for wireless card [insert list of other piece(s) of hardware or software that no longer functions in the new version]"

Anonymous said...

"Better check your fanspeed. Install lmsensors and follow the procedure here"

ROFL. And people seriously want us to believe this shit is ready for mass consumer use.

Mom: My laptop is getting too hot. What's wrong with it.

Me: Install lmsensors and go to (random site) to check you ... FAN SPEED!

...

Anonymous said...

Oh, and that would be followed by a dial-tone.

She'd hang up on me, probably not want to talk to me for about a week, and then be forced to apologize because she'd be so desperate to have Windows installed back on her machine.

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