Linux Hater's Blog: Vuvubuntu

Sunday, July 11, 2010

Vuvubuntu

I just realized. Lusers are the vuvuzelas of the software world.

OMG OMG OMG. In addition to totally fucked window controls, we now have a font!

I'm so excited about this thing because it's going to fix so many problems. It's going to make my 30 inch monitor work, and give me awesome 3d graphics, and all the game companies will port to linux to take advantage of this font, and my wireless problems will go away. And it will make Intel open source their gpu, and Microsoft will roll over and die.

I mean seriously. That's what happened when they release Bitstream Vera, and Liberation. Right? All the free desktop was missing was a fucking font.

Oh btw, will this make other websties that specify the standard web fonts look good? No?

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Anonymous said...: How are they justifying that price?

At least with Windows, you know that the system was completely made by Microsoft (and if they are using third party stuff, they paid money for it).

But Red Hat Linux?

How much code of Red Hat Linux was written by RH? I would guess 15% of it at most, the rest comes from contributors.

Personally I am fine with that. But I have a problem in turn when freetards complain that closed source software is "immoral". I don't know.. charging thousands of dollars for something that is mostly comprised of other peoples/organizations work seems more fishy to me.; December 28, 2010 at 1:30 PM
Anonymous said...: oops, double post; December 28, 2010 at 1:30 PM
Anonymous said...: The slastard horde us up in arms because France is planning to tax non-windows tablet; December 28, 2010 at 1:30 PM
Anonymous said...: Just 400 comments, and we will reach the comment limit; December 28, 2010 at 1:37 PM
WickedScribbler said...: The Cloud is Secure

Yes, yes, I know, it says the passwords were for inactive users, and since Mozilla is an example of OSS used by freetards as an example of the power of free software, I eagerly await there cries of how this is really no big deal and yada yada... never mind that if it was Microsoft who let permitted this accidental release, MS would be lambasted left, right, and center. However, since it IS Mozilla, they will get a pass and tons of blog apologists covering their collective asses. Ah well, maybe someone will be able to convince me that the cloud will be safe for my sensitive info... but I doubt it.; December 28, 2010 at 2:17 PM
Anonymous said...: Security through openness!; December 28, 2010 at 2:20 PM
Anonymous said...: I don't know.. charging thousands of dollars for something that is mostly comprised of other peoples/organizations work seems more fishy to me.

They're not charging for the software, they are charging for the ability to run up2date against their repository. Oh, and when your subscription runs out, they tell you to shut your machine off.

It's a beautiful racket. Shuttleworth should adopt it as a business model.; December 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM
Anonymous said...: Check out this slashtard post. Apparently oompoopoo 10.10 is great on his thinkpad tablet.... well except for the fingerprint scanner not working, the touch sensor not working right after rotating the tablet, or the mute button not working. Pretty much all the touted features of the tablet. But hey that's what is considered 'working pretty well'.; December 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM
Tux Sux said...: @December 28, 2010 12:22 PM

What got to me some time ago were AVGN's masturbatory filler sequences. It's obvious he wants to make real movies, but the segments didn't really fit in with the intended subject matter and weren't interesting enough to stand on their own. I'd be fine with the dude sitting around offering insights without all the hooks that got him famous in the first place, but I grew to dread seeing that the "review" was fifteen minutes long knowing in advance that about half of it would be some film student grade slasher footage that no one would watch were it not attached to more interesting material.

I did watch his fairly recent Zelda II review (and a few others, looking at the episode list) and was glad to see him not totally trash it. That game is actually pretty good but we are "supposed" to hate it.; December 28, 2010 at 2:52 PM
Anonymous said...: That slashtard got a great reply though.

I didn't know that Dell needed to roll out their own repository for Ubuntu, because Canonical's was not compatible with Dell hardware?!; December 28, 2010 at 2:52 PM
Tux Sux said...: Check out this slashtard post.

Man, that's some great Poe's Law there. That post could have been written here mockingly.

That slashtard got a great reply though.

Yeah, and from hairyfeet of all people. Except he makes the lame ass assertion that Apple took some raw 4.1 BSD or something and "built an Empire" on it.; December 28, 2010 at 3:14 PM
Tux Sux said...: Actually, he said Jobs built an empire with it, which is more accurate.

Still, the "Mac is a BSD distro" thing gets in my craw as much as "Windows NT is DOS" although I admit the former is closer to truth.; December 28, 2010 at 3:22 PM
Anonymous said...: Actually, he said Jobs built an empire with it, which is more accurate.

no. the bsd part of OS X is not the most important part.

and hairyfeet called OS X a good example of 'FOSS done right'.

nothing FOSS about NEXTSTEP or OSX im sorry. the api layers are far more closed than WINNT. at least MS will let u see the codez if you sign an NDA.; December 28, 2010 at 5:01 PM
Anonymous said...: ^^ and of course OS X is not the most important part of Apple's success either. they were plenty profitable before they used BSD and GNU compilers.; December 28, 2010 at 5:03 PM
Tux Sux said...: no. the bsd part of OS X is not the most important part.

I said it was more accurate than Apple starting from scratch as Jobs built the product between two companies, but I'm not crazy. The BSD layer is only somewhat more important to MacOS than the OS/2 layer was to Windows and was put there for the same reasons: application support and some level of bet hedging. At no point was BSD or UNIX a core strategy to either NeXT or Apple; its original purpose was to grab the attention of purists then migrate them over to the Objective C stuff.; December 28, 2010 at 6:44 PM
Anonymous said...: What got to me some time ago were AVGN's masturbatory filler sequences.

I hate them too, fortunately it's rare to find them in newer reviews. You should check out Super Pitfall, Action 52, Cheetahmen and Game Glitches. Atough Game Glitches has a guy painted green in it it's still good, and the glitches in Rocky on PS2 always cracks me up. I had that game, unfortunately I were never able to play it as it always crashed on the menu. I still don't know how such a bugged piece of crap could've been released, especially a game based on the Rocky franchise!; December 29, 2010 at 1:09 AM
Anonymous said...: Oh and don't forget Plumbers don't wear ties!; December 29, 2010 at 1:12 AM
Anonymous said...: DVD support in Banshee!

My heartfelt congratulations to the developers. Not only is Banshee a piece of crap that, even today, can't do half of the things you can do with iTunes (even though iTunes has been growing fat and sluggish over the last versions, at least on Windows). No, they're also a bit late to this whole DVD party. A half-assed music player application implements a technology 14 years after its commercial release. Way to go! And, tell me again, why would I want to watch DVDs with a music player?; December 29, 2010 at 3:47 AM
Anonymous said...: Duh. It's because it is following the unix tradition to do one thing and do it well... Oh wait it can barely even do it's primary function all that well.; December 29, 2010 at 7:41 AM
Anonymous said...: BTW it's county to read that the article writer gets no sound. One would think that of all things that working audio would be the easiest thing for a music player to get right, no?; December 29, 2010 at 7:44 AM
Anonymous said...: That'd meant to be 'it's funny' not county. Stupid swype keyboard; December 29, 2010 at 7:45 AM
Anonymous said...: Dude, this douche is getting a Dell.; December 29, 2010 at 9:33 AM
Anonymous said...: Dell's are overpriced. Not much as the Apple stuff, but at least the premium you pay is for a decent product. With Dell you have the same stuff you can buy from HP or Acer, but it costs more without any real benefit.; December 29, 2010 at 10:19 AM
Anonymous said...: Another ignorant freetard who doesn't realize that the market for consumer-oriented OEM computers with no OS preinstalled is microscopic and who thinks that the vast majority of Dell's consumers actually want Windows not Oompoopoo.; December 29, 2010 at 10:39 AM
Anonymous said...: "and who thinks that the vast majority of Dell's consumers actually want Windows not Oompoopoo."

Oops that was meant to be "actually want Oompoopoo not Windows".; December 29, 2010 at 10:46 AM
Anonymous said...: But if only people realized they had CHOICE!!!; December 29, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Anonymous said...: They do have a choice, they had a choice before Shuttleworth decided to repackage Debian, they have a choice now.

The fact that people choose Windows (which works out of the box) over Linux (which works until you update it, if it works at all) is obviously lost on the douches.

captcha: pippi - Linux is pippi mixed with poopi caca.; December 29, 2010 at 11:11 AM
Anonymous said...: Strangely when it comes to freetards the choices you get are only the ones they approve of.; December 29, 2010 at 2:10 PM
Anonymous said...: Has the gimp equaled the features of Photoshop 6 yet or is it still a waste of time?; December 29, 2010 at 2:50 PM
Digital Atheist said...: GIMP? I don't know, I traded it in for Paint.NET. Wheeeeeee... fast and free.; December 29, 2010 at 3:58 PM
Anonymous said...: Has the gimp equaled the features of the first version of Photoshop yet?; December 29, 2010 at 4:33 PM
Anonymous said...: To protect your rights, we need to prevent others from denying you these rights. Therefore, in order to protect your freedom we must take it away from you.

We call this new sort of freedom GNU/Freedom. It's part of a whole series of software-political concepts created by our Great Leader, Richard M. Stalin to free the proletariat from software slavery. For the rest, send $50 to the Free Software Foundation and request a copy of the "GNU/Speak Dictionary".; December 29, 2010 at 4:36 PM
Anonymous said...: Linux > Windows

It's true.; December 29, 2010 at 6:03 PM
Anonymous said...: Blogger runs GNU/Linux you fucking retards!

You are using GNU/Linux right now and you don't even know it!

BAHAHAHAHAHA; December 29, 2010 at 6:07 PM
Anonymous said...: Therefore, in order to protect your freedom we must take it away from you.

LOL. That was good, but I can see this statement being made in all seriousness by someone like Putin over in GNU/Russia.; December 29, 2010 at 8:02 PM
Anonymous said...: Dude, this douche is getting a Dell.

December 29, 2010 9:33 AM

God, that guy in the transcript is such a fucking freetarded asshole.; December 29, 2010 at 8:07 PM
Anonymous said...: Well then, that explains the asstastic spam filter that deletes YouTube links.

Google: we have such a large spam problem that we automatically delete legitimate links to sites we own because we are idiots.

Now get out of your mother's basement and contribute to society, you twirp.; December 29, 2010 at 8:07 PM
Anonymous said...: From the paint.net website: It has been compared to other digital photo editing software packages such as Adobe® Photoshop®, Corel® Paint Shop Pro®, Microsoft Photo Editor, and The GIMP.

Isn't it unfair to compare yourself to the gimp? MS Paint is a better tool, ffs, be fair.; December 29, 2010 at 8:32 PM
Anonymous said...: Isn't it unfair to compare yourself to the gimp? MS Paint is a better tool, ffs, be fair.

To be objective about 'the GIMP' - which BTW what is it and freetards and fucking naming software - there are some useful features:

- many file formats supported for importing/exporting
- basic/core tools pretty solid
- many useful filters with support for building your own via the scripts
- basic multi-layer support (e.g. compositing, sizing to visible pixels, etc)

However, comparing GIMP to say current day Photoshop is not any sort of realistic comparison since GIMP is lagging behind by about 10 years due to the following:
- no support for other colors models other than RGB (like say CMYK)
- no advanced printing support such as separate channels and registration marks
- no non-destructive editing
- no layer effects
- more than 1 window and more than 1 window represented in GUI env taskbar
- not efficient in memory usage nor processing of filters (some filters may take up to 10 times longer than a standard Photoshop filter although this may be due to the script environment)
- color correction (e.g. color balance) tools are essentially useless)
- as usual FOSS documentation is either outdated, missing (i.e. contains missing links), horribly cryptic/riddled with typos/lacking in screen shots, or all of the above

Essentially GIMP is a nice toy to play with if you're fucking around and making some rudimentary web graphics or possibly some artwork that is not considered "work for hire" since the GIMP workflow will guarantee you make little or no money.

Other than that GIMP is simply a great joke inherited by the FOSS community that keeps them defending their stand that 10 year old technology is current.; December 29, 2010 at 8:59 PM
Anonymous said...: Straight from Wikipedia's entry about GIMP:

With its encyclopedic abilities, GIMP is widely considered to be the main free-software functional drop-in replacement for Adobe Photoshop, with a similar feature set and a similar and complex user interface.

Always nice to see how creative freetard writers can get when it comes to sugar-coating free crap software. One should always rely on Uncyclopedia for information about freetard software. It's mostly accurate.; December 29, 2010 at 10:09 PM
Anonymous said...: And it's certainly ironic with a capital I that someone took the time to create a clone of Paint.NET. Oddly enough, even in its inferior 0.5 version, it seems already more capable than GIMP. But that's not too hard. Anyway, have any original ideas ever come from the Linux sphere? Except for the obvious 999th window manager? Everything is a bad clone of evil proprietary software. One really has to pity the users who have to convince themselves daily that Linux is the best OS in the world.; December 29, 2010 at 10:23 PM
Anonymous said...: Always nice to see how creative freetard writers can get when it comes to sugar-coating free crap software.

I just changed it - not sure when it will get rolled back.

This is the exact reason why wikipedia is a joke: it contains nothing more than subjective content posted as a race condition.; December 29, 2010 at 10:35 PM
Anonymous said...: I'm considering switching to Linux, but one of the primary things I do in Windows is text editing. Are there any text editors available for Linux?; December 30, 2010 at 5:48 AM
WickedScribbler said...: Blogger runs GNU/Linux you fucking retards!

You are using GNU/Linux right now and you don't even know it!

Yes we know this already. Now, do you not understand that in this case Linux is nothing but a slave OS? it runs no commands on this nice little desktop, all it does is shuffle paper around for no pay whatsoever.

Now, as promised earlier, you are going to be strangled with your own colon.; December 30, 2010 at 6:14 AM
Anonymous said...: > Are there any text editors
> available for Linux?

Try sed and awk. They are very powerful and not requiring learning programming.; December 30, 2010 at 6:52 AM
Anonymous said...: @December 30, 2010 5:48 AM

I hear emacs is a pretty good operating system, it just lacks a good text editor.; December 30, 2010 at 7:43 AM
Anonymous said...: I'm considering switching to Linux, but one of the primary things I do in Windows is text editing. Are there any text editors available for Linux?

Kill yourself. Now.; December 30, 2010 at 7:50 AM
Anonymous said...: Straight from Wikipedia's entry about GIMP:

"Gimp is also used by photographers and the film industry."

I love how they just make shit up and don't ever get called on it.

Wikipedia is a joke.; December 30, 2010 at 8:11 AM
Anonymous said...: Blogger wants post, blogger eats post. *om* *nom* *nom*

Blogger runs on open sores loonix.; December 30, 2010 at 8:27 AM
Anonymous said...: "Gimp is also used by photographers and the film industry."

The hell it is. It could have been but some arrogant jackasses didn't like it when Hollywood started sending them patches that made gimp useful.

Thanks for this working code that provides these features now, but we'd rather go with this vaporware solution that will take at least 10 years to work half-assed.

Fuckin' idiots.; December 30, 2010 at 8:40 AM
Tux Sux said...: I don't know if it's still true, but, at one point, GIMP had the best PNG compressor of the general purpose image editors. You'd still consider recompressing, but the stuff Photoshop and Paint was enormous and full of useless metadata.

no support for other colors models other than RGB (like say CMYK)

And even if you get past the GEGL thing there still is no Pantone support nor can there be due to the lack of pragmatism in the FOSS world.

not efficient in memory usage

You might need a five year old computer to see it at this point, but try having some large images with a lot of layers open in GIMP and Photoshop and watch which one drags way, way more.

as usual FOSS documentation is either outdated

They still had screenshots from the v1.0, the one that used GTK 1.0, as of a few years ago. When did that come out, 1997?; December 30, 2010 at 9:01 AM
Anonymous said...: You don't need a five year old computer, you just need this image.; December 30, 2010 at 9:42 AM
Anonymous said...: Reposting again because blogger ate it. How convenient, too, considering the subject matter as well...

Android trojan found. But, but, Android is based on Loonix and Loonix is invincible!!!; December 30, 2010 at 12:11 PM
WickedScribbler said...: Anonymous said... Reposting again because blogger ate it. How convenient, too, considering the subject matter as well...

Android trojan found. But, but, Android is based on Loonix and Loonix is invincible!!!

Of course you will notice that the people who reply point out that this is no biggie. all you have to do is just redo your whole HOSTS file and such (never mind that if this exact same thing pops up on WP7--and can be fixed the same way--they will be touting how unsecure WP7 is and how it is gonna destroy your whole life.; December 30, 2010 at 12:43 PM
Anonymous said...: You knew it was going to happen.

Also great posts like:

Linux can't stop Joe Sixpack from downloading malware from the Internet and installing it on his computer. At least, not without becoming another iThing that only allows installation of Jobs-approved software.

And when you call him out on this double standard as it applies to Windows he tries to weasel out of it with lame excuses:

What's the percentage of Windows users who install malware on their system rather than being hit by a remote exploit?

Pretty much every major Windows security story I've read in the last couple of years is due to some hole being exploited either in Windows or commonly used Windows software which lacks the sandboxing that's common on Linux (Apparmor, SELinux, etc), not users downloading trojans.; December 30, 2010 at 12:54 PM
Tux Sux said...: Sure if you ignore things like DEP, ASLR, etc.

And they all do because they don't know what they are or that they even exist. All they really have is "It's UNIX!" a system with ideology in the 60s whose only security concern is not allowing one user to overwrite another's files in an academic setting. I'll give AT&T credit for hardening it somewhat for commercial use, but it was still assumed that a human operator would actively handle security concerns, an obsolete viewpoint clearly alive with the Slashdot crowd.

Oh and many Linux distros do not come with either SELinux installed or even enabled by default so to try to act like that is common or even remotely universal is a lie.

The reason is that it is absurdly obtuse and unworkable. Just type in "fedora d" into Google and the third autocomplete will be "fedora disable selinux". SELinux was designed for security pros protecting classified information. It's like trying to market an armored vehicle, along with certifications in guns and self-defense, to someone who just wants to make sure their car door doesn't casually open on its own on the way to the grocery store.; December 30, 2010 at 1:25 PM
Anonymous said...: SELinux is a joke: http://www.youtube.com/user/spendergrsec; December 30, 2010 at 1:53 PM
Digital Atheist said...: Can Ubuntu take over netbooks? Again?

your usual junk about how Ubuntu just may be the perfect choice to grab the netbook market because the writer's offspring likes Ubuntu.; December 30, 2010 at 1:55 PM
Anonymous said...: Linux can't stop Joe Sixpack from downloading malware from the Internet and installing it on his computer.

Beg to fucking differ. Linux will stop Joe Sixpack downloading anything, because he doesn't care about any of that nerd shit, and besides, he's late for ball practice. So why don't you be a good little geek and get his Windows working before he kicks your fucking ass?; December 30, 2010 at 2:00 PM
Anonymous said...: @December 30, 2010 2:00 PM

I fukken lol'd!; December 30, 2010 at 2:03 PM
Anonymous said...: BTW this is a great link from one of the responders to the freetards.; December 30, 2010 at 2:07 PM
Tux Sux said...: I like the couch potatotards claiming to know better than Charlie Miller. IE must suck. It just must. It has to. QED.; December 30, 2010 at 2:30 PM
Digital Atheist said...: Still more truth than fiction/comedy

although I know this has been posted a few times i'm sure, this little article from Uncyclopedia--about--Ubuntu--is STILL more acurate and truthful than satire. sigh. Freetards.. please.. go read this so you KNOW what the rest of the world thinks about your shitty little OS; December 30, 2010 at 4:25 PM
Anonymous said...: SRSLY?; December 30, 2010 at 5:53 PM
Anonymous said...: The profound and obsessive hatred of the GNU/Linux proves that you guys are butthurt losers. GNU/Linux is awesome and your shite OS (Windoze) can't compete.

Posted from my Ubuntu; December 30, 2010 at 6:32 PM
Anonymous said...: Careful, Ubuntu gives you herpes.; December 30, 2010 at 7:19 PM
Anonymous said...: Jerkface on osnews:

(about a "commercial" pirate)

Lock him up to set a deterrent.

If you only have a financial penalty for white collar crimes then getting caught just becomes a financial risk.

The guy had a job at an insurance company but got greedy. This wasn't a crime of desperation. I agree that he shouldn't cost tax payers any money which is why he should be sent to a work camp.

link

I usually like his argument, but.. Jerkie, work camps are of course not cost neutral.

It costs substantially more to house the inmate than what he will "earn" there.

I am not arguing about whether to jail him or not, but the cost argument is pretty weak.

Expected more from jf.; December 31, 2010 at 4:43 AM
Weyland-Yutani Scientist said...: 2011 will be the year of Linux on the Desktop.; December 31, 2010 at 5:52 AM
Anonymous said...: Yeah, that sucks. Everyone (i.e. Slashdot leftards) knows that commercial piracy is just a reaction to the fascist corpirate closed-source software industry! On whose authority do the military-industrial complex put people in "work camps" for pirating Photoshop? They are the Nazis and only free software can save us!!!!; December 31, 2010 at 6:13 AM
Anonymous said...: 2011 will be the year of Windows on the Desktop.; December 31, 2010 at 9:36 AM
Digital Atheist said...: Freetards rejoice! You have a laptop Now, go forth and but one, be happy, and move one with your life. Oh, wait... why yes you ARE expected to come across with actual cash money at the time of purchase. You didn't think it was going to be free did you? Shop now and save. Although looking around, you really may not save all that much. Building an Ubuntu desktop that matches the specs here on my Windows 7x64 HPE with the same size monitor, cost me $200+... and no Blu-Ray drive available. So, for $200+ i get less features at a higher cost... and all for a "free" (as in beer/speech?) OS. Wow.. that's really gonna make 2011 the year of Linux on the desktop. heh.; December 31, 2010 at 11:34 AM
Anonymous said...: Linux hate = Satan worship; December 31, 2010 at 12:08 PM
Anonymous said...: Linux gave me testicular cancer.; December 31, 2010 at 12:23 PM
Digital Atheist said...: Anonymous said...
Linux hate = Satan worship
December 31, 2010 12:08 PM

Allow me to correct that for you.

Linux WORSHIP = Satan
worship.

See? Just a grammatical error after all. If you would pay a little more attention in class young man you wouldn't have to be corrected so often in front of the class. Now, go get your parent's permission to be up past 9:00 tonight so you might be able to ring in the new year.; December 31, 2010 at 12:53 PM
Surgeon General said...: Warning: Use of Linux has been shown to cause rectal cancer in lab rats.; December 31, 2010 at 1:07 PM
Anonymous said...: Here's something interesting:

Mac OSX default picture viewer (Preview) automatically performs interpolation to anti-alias zoomed images.

Ubuntu Linux (gThumb) image viewer automatically performs interpolation to anti-alias zoomed images.

Windows 7 (Windows Photo Viewer) performs no interpolation on zoomed images.

Why, after all the billions in revenue, can't this joke of a software company provide 10 year old standard features?

There are so many other glaringly embarrassing holes in Windows - even after all these years.; December 31, 2010 at 1:21 PM
Anonymous said...: Why, after all the billions in revenue, can't this joke of a software company provide 10 year old standard features?

There are so many other glaringly embarrassing holes in Windows - even after all these years.

Wait a minute, let me check something ... yes, Windows 7 has a sound stack that actually works, its CJK fonts don't suck, it has a spec-compliant DVD player, I can buy real Blu-ray player software for it instead of crappy duct tape open source "solutions", my hardware just works thanks to vendor drivers, I don't have to wait six months for new software versions, I don't have to open terminals to add PPAs from freetards who probably don't know jack about packaging, etc. And -- wait for it, this is the best --, if I don't like the fact that Windows Picture Viewer offers me no interpolation while watching zoomed-in images, I just install something else. Isn't that great?

By the way, a few days ago a Japanese student friend of mine called me, she had problems after the upgrade to Ubuntu 10.10. The Japanese font suddenly looked ugly, she said, and it did indeed. The culprit was: the Ubuntu font! Yes, if one used the Ubuntu font for the GUI, as it was made the default in 10.10, for reasons not quite clear to me, a butt-ugly Chinese font appeared instead of the Japanese one. QA is high on the priority list at Canonical.; December 31, 2010 at 2:13 PM
Anonymous said...: no real professional uses that weird writing shit anyway. the world speaks english. get used to it.; December 31, 2010 at 2:17 PM
Anonymous said...: No real professional uses that weird Linux shit anyway. The world uses Windows. Get used to it.; December 31, 2010 at 3:05 PM
Anonymous said...: Wait a minute, let me check something ... yes, Windows 7 has a sound stack that actually works,

And that makes up for:
- no interpolation with the default image viewer?
- "end process" selection in task manager still doesn't remove all processes immediately and without freezing the desktop process?
- freezing the file manager (i.e. Windows Explorer) when attempting to load a CD/DVD?
- not being able to send a selected group of files for printing without having the fucking application associated with said files pop up, rendering the system useless until the selection of files has been opened and printed?
- not coming with a standard set of CODECs (e.g. without having to download and install Shark007's FREE Codec solutions) to view all types of video containers and CODECs?
- and so on ...

This isn't some free distribution we're talking about, this is a company that makes billions selling software. Billions. These are also shortcomings that have been around for ages and that have been addressed in other OS solutions - even in free solutions.

As Microsoft continues to ignore the basics in UI features and usability, they'll continue to bleed customers and become worth less on the stock market. Apple has superseded them. Others will follow.; December 31, 2010 at 3:16 PM
Anonymous said...: ...

On top of that, the continued virtualization of the desktop will help speed this trend.; December 31, 2010 at 3:18 PM
Anonymous said...: - not coming with a standard set of CODECs (e.g. without having to download and install Shark007's FREE Codec solutions) to view all types of video containers and CODECs?

That's funny, Ubuntu et al. can't do that either without downloading something first. And in contrast to them Windows 7 includes licensed decoders for H.264 and AAC, two formats which by sheer fate happen to be widely used. Besides, you only have to download MPC-HC on Windows to be able to play anything. And it even comes with built-in hardware decoding thanks to DXVA2, whereas on Linux you have to dick around to get your graphics card to do the decoding. Your beloved Mac OS X also can't play everything out-of-the-box.

- and so on ...

Please elaborate. I could use a good laugh.

This isn't some free distribution we're talking about, this is a company that makes billions selling software. Billions. These are also shortcomings that have been around for ages and that have been addressed in other OS solutions - even in free solutions.

What you pulled out of your ass aren't shortcomings, it's rather incompetence on your part. Perhaps you should buy a Windows book or two from Microsoft Press.

As Microsoft continues to ignore the basics in UI features and usability, they'll continue to bleed customers and become worth less on the stock market. Apple has superseded them. Others will follow.

Yes, they'll sure as hell will go down this year. This is as certain as 2011 becoming the year of the Linux Desktop ... again.; December 31, 2010 at 4:20 PM
Anonymous said...: This isn't some free distribution we're talking about, this is a company that makes billions selling software. Billions. These are also shortcomings that have been around for ages and that have been addressed in other OS solutions - even in free solutions.

Bill Gates is laughing all the way to the bank.; December 31, 2010 at 6:41 PM
Tux Sux said...: Freetards rejoice! You have a laptop

At least it has an i5 (probably a Lynnfield). Freetards are so out of it they still think the Core2 is the hottest thing around even though Conroe will soon be appearing in dumpsters.

Windows 7 (Windows Photo Viewer) performs no interpolation on zoomed images.

Why, after all the billions in revenue, can't this joke of a software company provide 10 year old standard features?

Probably because every time they try to enhance the functionality of a basic, bundled application someone files an anti-trust suit against them. Or they know anyone serious about images has been downloading Irfanview since 1996. At least, until Adobe came out with Bridge.

freezing the file manager (i.e. Windows Explorer) when attempting to load a CD/DVD?

Never use a Mac then. It's gotten better, but all sorts of random shit hangs Finder, leading to beach balls. No, it's not really crashed. Just let it do what it wants and it'll eventually come back. Force Quit is far less responsive than Task Manager, and Linux just plain locks up hard unless you do some Alt-SysRq voodoo no one but kernel devs understands and isn't enabled without a kernel recompile.

not coming with a standard set of CODECs

You mean stuff that's illegal to distribute but Linux does anyway because distros know they aren't worth suing?

Like the other guy said, there are only a handful of formats that matter, and Windows supports them all. No one gives a shit about your mid-90s Cinepak porn or your Sorensen encoded Star Wars Episode 1 trailer. The stuff that's not in MPEG4 and AAC/MP3 is infinitesimal at this point, and everyone who has it knows how to make it work anyway.; December 31, 2010 at 7:16 PM
tar said...: happy gnu/year; December 31, 2010 at 9:56 PM
tar said...: I work for a fortune 500 linux company.

We have mission-critical apps that rely on Sorensen encoded Star Wars Episode 1 trailers in high speed trading.

Just another way linux is making money for us.; December 31, 2010 at 10:10 PM
Anonymous said...: Happy GNU/Year to you too!; December 31, 2010 at 11:28 PM
Anonymous said...: - no interpolation with the default image viewer?

Just checked, I never noticed it and it's true. Microsoft is probably not going to "fix" it anytime soon, so you better use something else like ACDSee or Irfanview.

- "end process" selection in task manager still doesn't remove all processes immediately and without freezing the desktop process?

It depends on the process. Sometimes the process doesn't end immediately, maybe because Windows is trying to close all the file handlers or removing a lot of allocated resources from the page file, who knows. In any case I had to use it very rarely, and it was the program's fault it crashed so hard it couldn't recover.

One nice thing about Windows 7 is that it offers to developers APIs to detect an application crash and actually recover gracefully from it. I have yet to see it used, and I don't know if it's supported in Vista after the platform update, but it's nice to know that it is there and work has been done to make things better.

- freezing the file manager (i.e. Windows Explorer) when attempting to load a CD/DVD?

Never experienced it with a CD or DVD, but I have experienced huge slowdowns when surfing NAS devices that were already in heavy use from other users. It's bullshit that I still have to wait for the hardware to respond before doing shit, but that's what you get when using mechanical stuff in electronic devices.

But there's a plus to W7: if you have an explorer window open you can actually stp any I/O operation by pressing the red X on the address bar. Unfortunately when doing cut, copy, paste or delete on slow drives and you press cancel it can still take a lot of time to actually abort the operation. I don't know if that is because usually the NAS devices use Linux with some Samba bullshit, but it's definitely annoying.; January 1, 2011 at 12:22 AM
Anonymous said...: Probably because every time they try to enhance the functionality of a basic, bundled application someone files an anti-trust suit against them.

Yeah, that's actually a valid point. The EU has made them bend over.

Or they know anyone serious about images has been downloading Irfanview since 1996. At least, until Adobe came out with Bridge.

I call bullshit on this one though. I don't give a shit, I want basic core stuff handled by money paid for an OS. If I want a bunch of random free or 'free' downloads, I'll go use Linux.

You mean stuff that's illegal to distribute but Linux does anyway because distros know they aren't worth suing?

No, I'm talking more about shit ass plugins like QuickTime(TM) that they can't bother to hand Apple a couple of bucks so that Microsoft can do it fuckin' right instead of having to download Apple plugins for Windows.

Like the other guy said, there are only a handful of formats that matter, and Windows supports them all.

Again, Apple, how 'bout FLV with Adobe? Those are pretty current, no? YouTube.com much?

No one gives a shit about your mid-90s Cinepak porn

You just dated yourself. You're admitting that you remember the blocky compression algorithm they used. I remember things like the guy smashing the computer monitor in an office cubical. If porn is what you remember from that time, hey, cool, I won't judge.

:P; January 1, 2011 at 2:26 AM
Anonymous said...: No, I'm talking more about shit ass plugins like QuickTime(TM) that they can't bother to hand Apple a couple of bucks so that Microsoft can do it fuckin' right instead of having to download Apple plugins for Windows.

You are drowning in a glass of water. K-lite Codec Pack offers quicktime support. Also you can use Quicktime Alternative.

K-lite also offers FLV, OGG and other shitty formats.

Now look Linux. Only Ubuntu offers something similar to a codec pack and is Ubuntu Restricted Extras, who is nothing compared to K-Lite. Restricted Extras does not have any tools for manage or configure codecs, filters or splitters.

Also you forget that codecs are only a quarter of the problem. Hardware support, hardware configuration and more important, software to reproduce media; Linux sucks on all these aspects. Even iTunes is better that any media player crap that Linux has. Oh sorry! I say media player? I must say music player because there is nothing like a media player on Linux.; January 1, 2011 at 3:54 AM
Anonymous said...: keep up the good work
nice one lol; January 1, 2011 at 4:46 AM
Anonymous said...: @January 1, 2011 2:26 AM:

... The EU has made them bend over.

Nice choice of words. Did you drop soap lately?

... I want basic core stuff handled by money paid for an OS.

Windows Picture Viewer helps you view pictures. That's your basic core stuff right there. And it does that just fine. Honestly, if you let your 320x240 GIF porn collection from your Compuserve days fill the screen on a HD display, it's entirely your fault.; January 1, 2011 at 6:32 AM
Anonymous said...: @January 1, 2011 2:26 AM:

No, I'm talking more about shit ass plugins like QuickTime(TM) ...

You are dumb. The Quicktime container was the basis of the MPEG-4 container. And since Apple has embraced H.264 and AAC you can play back MOV files without a hitch in Windows 7.; January 1, 2011 at 6:36 AM
Anonymous said...: @January 1, 2011 2:26 AM:

Again, Apple, how 'bout FLV with Adobe? Those are pretty current, no? YouTube.com much?

You're being delusional. Flash is a 3rd party browser component. You can actually watch FLV files without it.

You just dated yourself. ... If porn is what you remember from that time, hey, cool, I won't judge.

What are you? A sexually conflicted Republican bigot?; January 1, 2011 at 6:36 AM
Anonymous said...: Do you have any idea how pathetic you look wasting time arguing about software rather than going someplace on the biggest party night of the year?; January 1, 2011 at 8:56 AM
Anonymous said...: Nice choice of words. Did you drop soap lately?

Gay much? You seem awfully fixated on this.

Windows Picture Viewer

No longer part of Windows. Perhaps you should shell out the money for a new OS and stop using Linux.

Honestly, if you let your 320x240 GIF porn collection

We grown ups use our computers for business. When you grow up you'll understand that that's what the computer is for. Until then, you won't get it.; January 1, 2011 at 10:08 AM
Anonymous said...: You are dumb. The Quicktime container was the basis of the MPEG-4 container. And since Apple has embraced H.264 and AAC you can play back MOV files without a hitch in Windows 7.

Please do try and read the comments before posting. The comment was made that the shitty Quicktime plugin is the complaint. And yes, it does freeze browsers, and blathers about wanting to upgrade to a new version. Microsoft can easily pay Apple for the source, fix it so that it's more efficient (for Windows) and be done with it.; January 1, 2011 at 10:11 AM
Anonymous said...: What are you? A sexually conflicted Republican bigot?

No, I just have better things to do than to surf porn all day/night or whatever it is that you do.

You enjoy your computer and naughty pictures. I'll go out an experience the real thing.

You really sure you're not a freetard? You really sound like one.; January 1, 2011 at 10:16 AM
Anonymous said...: Gay much? You seem awfully fixated on this.

I didn't write about bending over.

No longer part of Windows. Perhaps you should shell out the money for a new OS and stop using Linux.

Oh, it's there. It's only called Windows Photo Viewer in Windows 7. Which I just realized now, since my Japanese Windows 7 obviously has Japanese application names. Perhaps I overestimated your abstraction capabilities.

We grown ups use our computers for business. When you grow up you'll understand that that's what the computer is for. Until then, you won't get it.

Business? So, your employer let's you watch YouPorn all day?; January 1, 2011 at 10:28 AM
Tux Sux said...: No, I'm talking more about shit ass plugins like QuickTime(TM) that they can't bother to hand Apple a couple of bucks so that Microsoft can do it fuckin' right instead of having to download Apple plugins for Windows.

Epic fail. Microsoft attempted to license Quicktime wholesale and was rejected, which led to the creation of Video for Windows. Apple had their chance. Besides, Quicktime, along with most other Apple software, has a long history of poor quality on the Windows platform. Finally, if it were included you'd be complaining about how old it is because Microsoft never updates third party stuff.

Again, Apple, how 'bout FLV with Adobe? Those are pretty current, no? YouTube.com much?

Fail again. FLV support won't get you YouTube, unless you count the Linux way of downloading objects, finding them, and playing them in a janky media player as being "supported". Another fail for failing to recognize Flash is an application layer, not a codec.

You just dated yourself.

All the stuff from the 70s and 80s I've talked about and you take a stand on the mid-90s? Whatever.; January 1, 2011 at 10:29 AM
Anonymous said...: Like the other guy said, there are only a handful of formats that matter, and Windows supports them all. No one gives a shit about your mid-90s Cinepak porn or your Sorensen encoded Star Wars Episode 1 trailer. The stuff that's not in MPEG4 and AAC/MP3 is infinitesimal at this point, and everyone who has it knows how to make it work anyway.

pwned; January 1, 2011 at 10:34 AM
Anonymous said...: I didn't write about bending over.

I was talking about bending over and getting kicked in the rear end. You apparently are talking about gay sex.

Oh, it's there. It's only called Windows Photo Viewer in Windows 7. Which I just realized now, since my Japanese Windows 7 obviously has Japanese application names. Perhaps I overestimated your abstraction capabilities.

Wow. Just wow. You guys are epically stupid. Here's the conversation so far:

me: no interpolation in Windows Photo Viewer
you: Windows Photo Viewer works fine, stop using it for GIF porn
me: scratching head trying to figure out why mentioning GIF porn had any thing to do with a lack of interpolation.
you: references to gay porn

Business? So, your employer let's you watch YouPorn all day?

Another reference to porn. I think you need to see someone about your obsession. Any time I mention features missing, you spout off about porn and gay sex.

Get some help or in the very least. Grow up.; January 1, 2011 at 10:57 AM
Anonymous said...: FLV is just a container. The video stream inside that shit is all H264, bitches.; January 1, 2011 at 11:06 AM
Tux Sux said...: Or Sorensen Spark or VP6.; January 1, 2011 at 11:09 AM
Anonymous said...: You guys are as easy to bait as the freetards are. Point out something wrong with Linux and watch the freetards rush in to defend brittle open sores.

Come here to point out Windows failings and watch the zealots check their brains at the door and make references to (gay) porn in every conversation.

Seriously, you guys should mix it up with the Linux types. You guys have much more in common with freetards than you think.; January 1, 2011 at 11:17 AM
Tux Sux said...: I just like to argue. Thanks for being a foil.; January 1, 2011 at 11:20 AM
Anonymous said...: I just like to argue. Thanks for being a foil.

You're welcome. You had me on the FLV thing and Youtube though.; January 1, 2011 at 11:28 AM
Dr Loser said...: On the other hand, if all you want out of your computer is that it must, it simply must, automatically perform interpolation to anti-alias zoomed images, then you're probably better off with Linux. Or even the Mac. This stuff might even work on an old SGI workstation.

I mean, it depends what you need. Sometimes you actually have to go out and look for what you need, rather than just whining that it isn't given to you on a plate. This might surprise you, but if you are the only person who needs some esoteric feature, then, my friend, it just ain't gonna happen.

There are so many other glaringly embarrassing holes in Windows - even after all these years.

It's an open site: we're listening. I could name several things about Word, for example, that have persisted since around 1997 and which seriously impede my "workflow" (whatever that is). I goddamn wish Microsoft would get around to fixing them. I think desktop search still sucks, even on Windows 7 (where admittedly it has got a lot better). The irony of this? I work for Microsoft on search. There are several other things I'd love to bitch about.

But you? You? Glaringly embarrassing holes in Windows? All you can manage is zooming a thumbnail, for chrissake.

What the fuck is wrong with you?; January 1, 2011 at 1:02 PM
Dr Loser said...: Ah, so that's the bit that Blogger rejected. I'll triage again.; January 1, 2011 at 1:03 PM
Peter said...: The Inevitably Anonymous@January 1, 2011 11:17 AM:

You guys are as easy to bait as the freetards are...Come here to point out Windows failings and watch the zealots check their brains at the door and make references to (gay) porn in every conversation.

Oh, you were pointing out "Windows failings"? I must have missed that. You sounded exactly like a troll.

@December 31, 2010 1:21 PM: You claimed "Here's something interesting" and then made some pitiful Mac/Linux/Windows comparison featuring the anti-aliasing of thumbnails.

News for you, kid: not interesting.

Why, after all the billions in revenue, can't this joke of a software company provide 10 year old standard features?

A little bias showing under the petticoats, surely? Why "a joke"? What do you mean by "standard?"; January 1, 2011 at 1:04 PM
Anonymous said...: ... then you're probably better off with Linux.

WTF would I want to do that for? I think I've already established my time is worth something and that I don't want to go hunting on teh interw3bs for "free" software. That's the purpose of buying Windows OS: I don't/shouldn't have to come up with esoteric workarounds (TM).

This might surprise you, but if you are the only person who needs some esoteric feature, then, my friend, it just ain't gonna happen.

Esoteric? Interpolation is esoteric? If I hop in my time machine and go back to 1995 then yes. Today? Nuhuh.

Besides, if they (Microsoft) has time to add particle effects to Spider Solitaire for their fireworks, they goddamn have time to add interpolation to the default image viewer.; January 1, 2011 at 2:08 PM
Anonymous said...: Christ on a Christing Christ. Look, every OS sucks. Just because you hate Linux it doesn't mean you automatically love Windows or something. If you love your OS unconditionally then you are a freak.

It's not a person! It won't take your house and the kids if you decide you actually hate it and getting installed was a mistake. You won't end up in court for seeing other OSs... well, apart from Pedobuntu, obviously.

Also, installing third-party software is normal. Your OS does not do everything you need out of the box and nor should it. Otherwise you end up with hundreds of retarded special-purpose forks, like Edubuntu and Xubuntu and Flabuntu, or even Windows Vista Business/Home/Ultimate/Basic/Enterprise/Starter - no less of an idiotic duplication of effort.; January 1, 2011 at 2:15 PM
Dr Loser said...: @January 1, 2011 2:08 PM

Besides, if they (Microsoft) has time to add particle effects to Spider Solitaire for their fireworks, they goddamn have time to add interpolation to the default image viewer.

Don't whine at me; whine at Microsoft directly. After all, you shelled out all that money ... you're entitled, goddamnit!

You're missing the point. Let me put this as simply as possible for you. If this missing "feature" causes people not to buy Windows, then it will magically appear in a future version of Windows.

Otherwise, it probably won't.

Since you appear to be in a minority of one with your specific demand, I'm guessing it probably won't.

Oh, and what about all those so many other glaringly embarrassing holes in Windows - even after all these years? I notice you can't be bothered to back them up, even though I fed you two or three of my personal gripes.

Pick one glaringly embarrassing hole.

Just one. Your choice of what constitutes "embarrassing."; January 1, 2011 at 2:49 PM
Anonymous said...: "end process" selection in task manager still doesn't remove all processes immediately and without freezing the desktop process?

Hm, actually, "end process" always kills a process immediately.

Maybe you're confusing it with "end task" (under the "applications" tab).

"End Task" tries to clean up the application before it shuts it off, this can take a while.

"End process" usually kills a process no matter what within a second.; January 1, 2011 at 3:16 PM
Anonymous said...: You guys are as easy to bait as the freetards are. Point out something wrong with Linux and watch the freetards rush in to defend brittle open sores.

Come here to point out Windows failings and watch the zealots check their brains at the door and make references to (gay) porn in every conversation.

Seriously, you guys should mix it up with the Linux types. You guys have much more in common with freetards than you think.

Hahaha. It's so true, with anything in life. You are what you hate.; January 1, 2011 at 3:24 PM
Anonymous said...: I am Verizon?; January 1, 2011 at 3:29 PM
Anonymous said...: THIS. IS. SPATRAAA A A AA A A AAA; January 1, 2011 at 4:42 PM
Digital Atheist said...: SPATRAAA A A AA A A AAA??????????????; January 1, 2011 at 5:52 PM
Anonymous said...: Don't mind him, Linux raped his wife and beat his children before kicking his toy poodle off an overpass into traffic. It was horrible.; January 1, 2011 at 8:18 PM
tar said...: "End process" usually kills a process no matter what within a second.

init 1

take that, process!; January 1, 2011 at 10:36 PM
Anonymous said...: After all, you shelled out all that money ... you're entitled, goddamnit!

I know, I know, it's inexpensive, I'm whining, there's a lot more problems in the world bigger than this and all that. I get it. I'm just saying I'd pay more ($$$ - not time so don't mention the 'L' word) to have that shit made gone, that's all. They can do it.; January 1, 2011 at 10:50 PM
Anonymous said...: Pick one glaringly embarrassing hole.

Just one. Your choice of what constitutes "embarrassing."

Ok. They started off being "less user friendly" or perceivably be so and that was the running joke right? Apple - even when they were imploding - made fun of Windows's' inability to pay attention to the finer points of UI heuristics.

But after a while (1996), they were rolling in the bucks. And rightly so. They caught enough of the mainstream with enough usability and features, and at a good price. Mainstream. Good times.

Roll forward to 2000 with Windows 2000 (Professional). Pretty much solid. Back end is pretty decent (for the time) and they've started weaning the public off of the 95 line.

So XP addresses many of the issues but then Vista and now Windows 7. To make a long story short, they've had 10 years - 10 years - to address the finer points (the Canonical types refer this to this as "One Hundred Paper Cuts", which is more like several hundred thousand, but anyway) and not make me treat this experience like a Linux distro.

Yes, yes, I do understand that they've had their wrists slapped (try and pervert this into gay porn you freaks. Not judging you, just sayin': stop perverting this into gay porn you freaks) several times by court, governments and all that, but dammit I shouldn't have to be relying on these third parties (free or 'free' or not-so-free) for essentials. If they looked after that, anti-virus companies may not have to be as important but that's possibly getting off track.

The long and the short of it is put some more resources into it and charge a little more.

That seems to work for Apple.; January 1, 2011 at 11:16 PM
Anonymous said...: And you say freetards are deranged. Look at this:

"Aids rules always"; January 2, 2011 at 5:01 AM
Dr Loser said...: @January 1, 2011 11:16 PM

Me: Pick one glaringly embarrassing hole...

You: Ok. They started off being "less user friendly" or perceivably be so and that was the running joke ...

Well, you botched that one, so let's try again. Pick one instance of being "less user friendly." Your choice of what constitutes being "user friendly," or indeed "less."

The thing I appreciate most about Microsoft (other than my wage packet) is that they produce probably the blandest, dullest, most beige consumer product ever seen. There really is no such thing as a Microsoft fanboy, no matter what people say. Windows is like nitrogen: you breathe it in and breathe it out without really noticing it, you'd miss it if it wasn't there, but on the whole you're not going to make a fuss about it.

Apple? Heck, I'd buy a Macbook in an instant (maybe next paycheck, when Microsoft has helped dig me out of my current financial hole), but I'm puzzled as to why anybody would jump up and down about their stuff.

Linux, of course; well, we're on the same page here.

Not sure what you mean by "the finer points of UI heuristics," btw. Last time I checked, the only heuristics connected to UIs were the measurements used during testing, rather than anything an end-user would see.

I believe it's fair to say that Microsoft have put quite a lot of effort into ensuring that a user of (say) Windows 2000 is not inconvenienced by the transition to (say) Windows 7. I'm not so sure about the transition from Mac OS 9 to Snow Leopard, but then again I've not gone through that process.

Simply put, I fail to see your beef. You appear to be saying that you were happy to spend money on a basic OS, and you would be happy to spend even more money on bells and whistles, and you object to Microsoft not giving you the opportunity to spend that money. Well, don't tell us. Tell them.

While you're doing that, make sure you specify what those bells and whistles are. They're evil thoughtless billionaires, you know; not mind-readers.; January 2, 2011 at 5:10 AM
Anonymous said...: @January 2, 2011 5:01 AM

This is better:

Insanity Collection; January 2, 2011 at 5:15 AM
Anonymous said...: schroot guy, is this you?

http://teddziuba.com/2011/01/multiple-concurrent-linux-distros.html; January 2, 2011 at 9:02 AM
Anonymous said...: awesome unix is.; January 2, 2011 at 9:26 AM
Anonymous said...: Like a video of a cat getting kicked. It's awesome for roughly 13 seconds, then you find something better to do with your time.; January 2, 2011 at 10:03 AM
Anonymous said...: good post by ted; January 2, 2011 at 11:35 AM
Anonymous said...: Lusers demand a Linux version of photoshop:

on the adobe forums; January 2, 2011 at 11:39 AM
Anonymous said...: This is gold! The Adobe employee, Chris Cox, rips them a new one, but the freetards just can't accept the truth that Desktop Linux as a platform for a commercial software mass market is a failure.

For God's sake, some fool is trying to make an argument by saying that Linux users paid more for the Humble Indie Bundle. WTF!?

And someone should drive this message from Cox up the freetard's asses:

Linux still lacks standards for color management or fonts, and just barely has standards for printing. Things like tablet support are more than a little hacked, and drivers are still a nightmare. And that's just the problems I can see from occasional use, I'm sure there are more. And where is the standard UI toolkit (currently you can pick from 6 or more bad choices based on the mistakes of X Windows)?; January 2, 2011 at 11:56 AM
Anonymous said...: There is a pretty good thread on linsux about this:

link; January 2, 2011 at 11:59 AM
Anonymous said...: from the adobe forum:

"At what point will companies realize that people want to give mac and windows the finger and switch to linux"

ROFL. Maybe when Linux will be more popular than a Beta of Windows? Like it was the case with Windows 7.; January 2, 2011 at 12:10 PM
Anonymous said...: This one is great too:

As far as I can see it's a stalemate that neither side wants or feels they can afford to break. On the one hand software companies who won't take a gamble for whatever reason and on the other users who won't move to a platform that won't entirely meet their needs. I'm sure Adobe have less to lose and more to gain by breaking that stalemate first!

Ehm, he is overlooking something: Why should Adobe be interested in Linux' success?

They are doing a fine business on Windows and Mac. Why should it be in the interest of a proprietary software company to promote Linux and FOSS - an environment that is most of the time hostile to any proprietary software?; January 2, 2011 at 12:18 PM
Anonymous said...: Another one with the same theme:

...
I have often got the impression that hardcore photoshop users care far more about photoshop than they do which OS it runs on. If such 'killer apps' were available on linux, then surely linux would be far more attractive to more people - particularly the ones who aren't so averse to paying for software?

Chicken and egg I guess, must still be a big risk.

Personally the lack of certain pieces of commercial software on linux is the reason I still keep a copy of Windows. Ho hum.

OK, especially this one:

"If such 'killer apps' were available on linux, then surely linux would be far more attractive to more people"

My God, who cares? Just why should Adobe care about making Linux attractive to people?

It's as if everyone's duty on the planet is to help Linux.; January 2, 2011 at 12:26 PM
Anonymous said...: What you say?; January 2, 2011 at 12:45 PM
Anonymous said...: I am not a grammar nazi, but boy, those freetards on the Adobe forum write like 6 year olds.

I am aware that some of them are not native English speakers, but I am not a native English speaker, too.

The point is: If you try to convince a large corporation, don't sound like a child.

Comedy GOLD:

Ok, now Lets be straight and talk REAL CASH FIGURES here.

How much exactly you need / want for that initial port?

500k, 1 million, 2, 3 , 4 , 5 mill?

Be straight, i dont want to read anything else about market share blah blah.

What you want is the money, you dont care about anything else.

If you give us straight numbers, we can certainly arrange this.

we've gathered hundreds of thousands for many crappy things over and over, so getting what you want for PS wont be a problem.; January 2, 2011 at 12:45 PM
Anonymous said...: Meh, if Disney Animation can't convince Adobe to port Photoshop, ten pseudonymous douches bitching on Adobe's forums won't make it happen, either.; January 2, 2011 at 1:01 PM
Anonymous said...: wow, creepy loontarded cult stuff from the adobe thread:

"We are NOT sheep like other OS users, we dont purchase things because of fad or dumb things like that (remember the pet rock fad?), we're highly organized, intelligent, motivated and may i say very "powerful community" that will do anything for its OS to become adopted by the world"

*goosebumbs*; January 2, 2011 at 1:06 PM
Anonymous said...: It's very fitting in this context: the release of GIMP 2.8, Photoshop's direct competitor, was delayed again. That sucks.; January 2, 2011 at 1:24 PM
Anonymous said...: Who cares about the gimp?; January 2, 2011 at 1:42 PM
Anonymous said...: I am a Star Office veteran and just tried Open Office after a long while.

It looks and feels just like the old Star Office version 5 from 1999.

Lame. Actually it got even less innovative. Star Office had a desktop replacement, with its very own Start button and all, this feature has vanished.

I wish Star Division would still exist.; January 2, 2011 at 2:01 PM
Dr Loser said...: @January 2, 2011 2:01 PM

I wish the Tooth Fairy would still exist. I don't have any Teeth left, but I'm quite keen on Fairies.

Still waiting for the definitive reason why Microsoft has spent ten years cheating us all out of the money that we don't actually spend by being "less user friendly," though.

The fiends!; January 2, 2011 at 3:00 PM
Anonymous said...: OUUUUUUCH!

Big bummer at hotmail:

Hotmail kaputt

Emails got deleted.

That's a biggie. Now, some freetards probably ejaculated hearing this news and will point out how bad Windows Server is, ignoring that the problem lies with the hotmail service.

But still, ouch. Stuff like this should not happen.

If Microsoft really lost mails, they should open up their wallet.; January 2, 2011 at 3:22 PM
Dr Loser said...: Oldies are still goldies, so here's Robert Pogson's "mission statement" (culled like a rabid baby seal from his blog):

"My Mission

"My observations and opinions about IT are based on 40 years of use in science and technology and lately, in education. I like IT that is fast, cost-effective and reliable. I do not care whether my solution is the same as yours. I like to think for myself.

"My first use of GNU/Linux in 2001 was so remarkably better than what I had been using, I feel it is important work to share GNU/Linux with the world. I have been blessed by working in schools where students and school systems have benefited by good, modular software easily installed in most systems.

"I have shown GNU/Linux to thousands of students and hundreds of teachers over the years and will continue in some way doing that until I die in spite of the opposition."

If anyone out there has any idea what Pog-San means by "think," "observations," "education," or "blessed," then please let us all know at the usual address.

I'm particularly impressed by the messianic "until I die" stuff. I'd totally forgotten about that secret plutonium smuggling stuff they mentioned during the Microsoft induction process ... Time for me to earn brownie points in the New Year by taking out this pesky yet brilliant opponent of our plan for World Domination!

Dear God, where are the psychiatrists and doses of powerful chemical coshes when you need them? What is wrong with the educational system of northern Canada?; January 2, 2011 at 3:49 PM
Anonymous said...: Wait, people still use hotmail?; January 2, 2011 at 4:11 PM
Dr Loser said...: Oh, and pursuant to this link above, Katherine Noyes is now calling herself "Linux Girl."

She's now reduced to trawling around Reddity and Slashdottery sites and quoting random people called "Tobi" for a living.

Christ, she's round about my age (just passed 49). I seriously hope she's not about to appear in a tighty-whitey tee-shirt and pretend to be Helen Slater.

On the other hand, if the nipple-crossing slogan is "I'm Krazy for Katz," then I'm all for it.; January 2, 2011 at 4:15 PM
Ideardu said...: I have been reading this blog for years now. It has been good laughter. I have never written a comment before, though, I have just read: as I'm not an English speaker it has helped me a lot learning new funny expressions that I'd never have learnt at class etc.

But anyway, I think that this engineer from Adobe summarizes the problems that for some reason the Linux community don't want to see:

Re: Photoshop For Linux ?
Me? I'm a Senior Engineer on the Photoshop team.

Photoshop's codebase is 20 years old, but constantly cleaned and refactored. Our codebase is C++, and pretty portable. That has nothing to do with not porting to Linux.

I doubt that the research is well published, since marketing research is usually perfomed by well paid research companies (and they want to keep getting paid). I see the research done every year or two, and the results barely change with respect to Linux users.

Linux still lacks standards for color management or fonts, and just barely has standards for printing. Things like tablet support are more than a little hacked, and drivers are still a nightmare. And that's just the problems I can see from occasional use, I'm sure there are more. And where is the standard UI toolkit (currently you can pick from 6 or more bad choices based on the mistakes of X Windows)?

Stabilizing the OS and adopting standards would make Linux more attractive to ports (and to write anything more complicated than command line apps). It would also be far more attractive when code can run on more than one distribution of the OS without major effort.

Yes, Linux devs without experience on other platforms might find the facts hard to swallow. But Linux is not a single OS, but a kernel used in many fragmented OSes with few standards.

And, AGAIN, the primary reason for no Photoshop on Linux: there is no market. Linux users are still not willing to pay for commercial software. You have to solve that problem before you'll get serious commerical applications.
Solving the standards problems would make Linux more attractive to developers, and then you might get more users. Right now, the sets of Linux users and developers are overlapping a little too much (when app tutorials start with "download these 8 packages and build them", you've got a problem).

Anyway, it's a shame that this blog is coming to an end: LINUX HATER, WHERE ARE YOU??; January 2, 2011 at 4:22 PM
Dr Loser said...: Then again, there's Helios:

Diane is in the living room, watching a documentary on Mark Twain. I've just finished a couple of install scripts that will come in handy in the next few months.

The mind boggles. We have a rich, rich year of hilarious idiocy ahead of us, my friends.

Don't miss a Loon-a-tick of it!; January 2, 2011 at 4:23 PM
Anonymous said...: @ January 2, 2011 4:15 PM

She only calls herself "linux girl" on the ECT website (Linuxinsider) and basically just quotes Slash Dot and LXer comments.

The kicker is that it is a paid gig.; January 2, 2011 at 4:53 PM
Dr Loser said...: @January 2, 2011 4:53 PM

Would you call yourself ... I dunno ... the Kleenex Boy? I think not.

Anyhow, if it's a paid job, where;s the application form? Anyone on this site would be better. Even the maniacs. If nothing else, they'd be good for a laugh.; January 2, 2011 at 6:01 PM
Dr Loser said...: From the same post:

"Now, Linux Girl is no stranger to this debate, having covered it more times by now than she can remember.

"Nevertheless, in the spirit of the upcoming auld lang syne and all that, she took to the blogosphere's Broken Windows Lounge for a little liquid lubrication to help the conversation along.

"'I don't think there will ever be a year of the Linux desktop,' Montreal consultant and Slashdot blogger Gerhard Mack told Linux Girl over a fresh Tequila Tux Twist."

Go ahead and tell me Katherine Noyes is not a self-obsessed ignorant lunatic.

Go on. I dare you,; January 2, 2011 at 6:24 PM
Tux Sux said...: Chris Cox sounds like the 2008 version of Linux Hater.; January 2, 2011 at 7:00 PM
Tux Sux said...: How much exactly you need / want for that initial port? 500k, 1 million, 2, 3 , 4 , 5 mill?

Pffff. Talk about not knowing business. Even 5 mil would only be marginally interesting to a company like Adobe. Their top sales guys probably pull that in every quarter with their 1,000 head Software Assurance contracts. These guys could barely raise the cash needed to save Blender, which was abandonware, and they think they're going to independently fund Photoshop?

If they were serious about this they'd make Wine work with every application in CS5 (not just Photoshop) with an AAA+++ Triple Sonic Boom Atomic Platinum rating and create a Wine Porting Bible aimed directly at Adobe. Then, maybe then, after fielding enough support calls from Wine using Linux users they might decide to make a native version to enhance the experience. Hell, if they made decent progress Adobe might even join the Wine porting effort once it reached the 50% mark (including documentation).

Sound unfair and far fetched? Well, Microsoft did precisely that to get Windows 95 off the ground, going to the extent of modifying system behavior to accommodate application bugs. Apple created sone of the best performing VMs several times over during their migrations of fat binaries (68k -> PPC), Classic Mode (OS 9 -> OS X), and Rosetta (PPC -> x86). These were especially impressive given the stark architecture differences in each migration and the paucity of hardware compared to what's available in today's virtualized solutions.

But no, that's too much work, and there's no guarantee of success. I think I'll just spend a weekend figuring out Qt and libao and make an MP3 player.; January 2, 2011 at 7:41 PM
Tux Sux said...: GIMP 2.8, Photoshop's direct competitor, was delayed again. That sucks.

And it still won't support what they set out to do with 2.0, outlined in a Dec 2000 roadmap. That's just sad. Ten years later, all the stuff they dreamed up in the 90s, most of it originating in Corel/Aldus/Adobe products, still unimplemented a decade later.

BTW, that "clean fork" never happened. They just continued using the "hard to understand" 1.2 codebase and pretended they never released this document. It's probably for the better as ground-up rewrites tend to fail spectacularly.

P.S. I love how the mailing list mirror host has the word "scam" in it. I think I was cleaning a Bonzi Buddy infection when I first read this document.; January 2, 2011 at 7:59 PM
Tux Sux said...: I detest Hotmail's new(ish) interface. It's like they hired some young, hip kids who wanted to jump with both feet into a borderless scheme but then some graybeards stepped in and said some of the "old" interface must stay. The result is a royal mess where I can never find the "delete" button. It doesn't help that stuff moves around based on context.

But, yeah, seriously, how does the largest free/web email service lose email? No Gmail is not the largest. Hotmail is nearly twice as big and has held the top spot since soon after its introduction in 1996.; January 2, 2011 at 8:07 PM
Tux Sux said...: My observations and opinions about IT are based on 40 years [...] My first use of GNU/Linux in 2001

That's fail right there. Pretty much everybody over the age of 14 tried Linux in the 1996-8 range. By 2001 Linux was trending downward and was yesterday's news in many ways.

Next week's article: "I just tried Windows XP SP2 and it's not so bad".; January 2, 2011 at 8:12 PM
Anonymous said...: "I've just finished a couple of install scripts that will come in handy in the next few months."

OMG SO HOT DO WANT FAP FAP FAP; January 2, 2011 at 8:41 PM
Anonymous said...: Pretty much everybody over the age of 14 tried Linux in the 1996-8 range

I still have my original redhat 5.something CD from 1996. They were everywhere

Linux came bundled with pretty much every tech mag out there.

Predication: freetards will try to pretend the 90's didn't exist, and that when Linux came along it was competing against XP and OSX.

Truth was that Linux couldn't get foothold against Win98 let along later MS offerings.; January 2, 2011 at 10:17 PM
Anonymous said...: Tequila Tux Twist

IT IS JUST AN OPERATING SYSTEM!!; January 2, 2011 at 10:21 PM
Anonymous said...: Well who knew Hotmail runs on ext4.; January 2, 2011 at 10:38 PM
Anonymous said...: ^^ they should just pull a Blogger and blame it on the spam filter.; January 2, 2011 at 10:42 PM
Anonymous said...: meh. it's not the end.

ppl are still using clamav on windows.; January 2, 2011 at 10:51 PM
tar said...: ext4 is very stable and secure.

but because linux users do more with their computers than just web and mail, the hardware rots much faster sometimes. older hardware is much sturdier and better.

ext4 is good, but not good enough to protect new crumby hardware from magnetic fields and cosmic rays!; January 2, 2011 at 10:56 PM
Tux Sux said...: Truth was that Linux couldn't get foothold against Win98 let along later MS offerings.

Hell, people forget it was competing against Windows 3.1. There are plenty of posts over at Penguin Day that proclaimed Windows 95 DoA with the same fervor as today's Microsoft products.

ppl are still using clamav on windows.

I tried that once for a lark. It reminded me of the fist GUI version of Norton. It also has a detection rate of 50% which means it sucks even for its primary purpose of email scanning. Lulz that Mac OS Server uses this software. As if it weren't enough of a joke already.

they should just pull a Blogger and blame it on the spam filter.

Speaking of which, why do we still need a captcha on every single post with this absurdly aggressive filter? Can't they at least whitelist commonly used IPs that don't get reported and don't post to thousands of blogs?; January 2, 2011 at 11:10 PM
Anonymous said...: Ah, Helios, his equally obsessive friend Skip, and the nonsensical battle against windmills:

Bank of America doesn't "support" Linux

It's hard to believe that freetards to this day can't comprehend how to increase market share, so that they would be taken seriously: just offer an OS that's better than Windows or Mac OS X.

Captcha: slyntel. That's the Dutch XXX version of "Sintel".; January 2, 2011 at 11:14 PM
Anonymous said...: Yeah I remember Linus doing a Linux '95 release joke on the LKML.

Anybody remember the version of xload for Win 3.1 that had an extremely aggressive pro-linux helpfile?; January 2, 2011 at 11:36 PM
Blogger said...: Speaking of which, why do we still need a captcha on every single post with this absurdly aggressive filter

Shut up; January 2, 2011 at 11:41 PM
not Dr. Science said...: now i'm not Dr. Science, but what's the point of having a load monitor on a single with a cooperative scheduler?; January 2, 2011 at 11:44 PM
Anonymous said...: Make any necessary adjustments to the ODBC enabled application, then run
it.; January 2, 2011 at 11:51 PM
Anonymous said...: MAKE ANY NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE ODBC ENABLED APPLICATION, THEN RUN
IT.; January 2, 2011 at 11:57 PM
Anonymous said...: MAKE ANY NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE ODBC ENABLED APPLICATION, THEN RUN
IT.; January 3, 2011 at 12:03 AM
Anonymous said...: MAKE ANY NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE ODBC ENABLED APPLICATION, THEN RUN
IT.; January 3, 2011 at 12:14 AM
Blogger said...: Your comments cannot harm me! My captcha is like a Shield of Steel!; January 3, 2011 at 12:28 AM
Blogger said...: Can't they at least whitelist commonly used IPs that don't get reported and don't post to thousands of blogs?

Shut your pie hole; January 3, 2011 at 12:32 AM
Anonymous said...: I laughed quite heartily.; January 3, 2011 at 6:50 AM
Azathoth said...: from the adobe forum:

"No, I'm not joking - there are so many groups of people who already work on Linux for free, who would donate their time to get a real, enterprise class graphic design program on Linux. It seems like a stretch, but really, you make them sign a scary NDA to protect your code, and/or you make a public API, and I guarantee you'll soon be swimming in bug fixes, patches and new features. Your cost to port would be subsidized. Hell, I'd learn some more C++ and help out for a cause like that."

Have these people have any idea of how complex most Photoshop implemented algorithms really are? Don't they have a notion of how many Image processing books and incredibly complex scientific articles with lots of esoteric advanced maths they have to grasp just to implement a feature? Having to deal with some of taht stuff at final my thesis and thinking the magnitude of features of Photoshop and watching all the code in C++ my head just explodes.; January 3, 2011 at 8:05 AM
Anonymous said...: @ January 2, 2011 6:01 PM

http://www.ectnews.com/about/careers.xhtml; January 3, 2011 at 8:14 AM
Anonymous said...: Stupid, childish, naive little freetards.; January 3, 2011 at 8:38 AM
Tux Sux said...: Have these people have any idea of how complex most Photoshop implemented algorithms really are?

The funny thing is these guys constantly wail about how being a programmer doesn't magically enable them with industry experience and vision to complete a project but then they fall into the trap themselves by pretending to have the acumen for writing Photoshop filers and advanced video card drivers.; January 3, 2011 at 8:42 AM
Anonymous said...: It's not even about the algorithms. Porting algorithms actually is easy. By their nature, they're platform independent. You only need to study Computer Science III in order to port an algorithm.

The hard bit is when you need something in the software stack that Linux just doesn't do, like a professional-quality API for generating the correct colours on the screen or the printer. Without this, Photoshop may run, but it won't be up to the standard expected by a professional, so what's the point?

The internal politics of Linux make it very hard to add any feature that cuts across multiple layers. To do this, changes would be needed in the video drivers, the X server and the X client libraries. In theory you can do it by forking all of these levels; in practice, that's a nightmare.

And Adobe's engineers know all about this nightmare, because of Flash. Flash sucks on Linux because the underlying software stack (1) sucks, and (2) is maintained by people who hate commercial software in general and Flash in particular. "Linux ain't done till Flash won't run."; January 3, 2011 at 9:41 AM
Anonymous said...: LOL; January 3, 2011 at 9:48 AM
Tux Sux said...: You only need to study Computer Science III in order to port an algorithm.

My last comment was an aside, aimed at the "basement army" rhetoric, but, in this case, these guys are literally saying things like, "I'll even learn how to program to help the effort out." Without a structured learning environment it'd take them half a decade minimum to contribute anything meaningful.

As you said, everyone with skill knows the score and stays way the hell away. Not only did Adobe learn from Flash, they also learned from the likes of Loki and Corel.; January 3, 2011 at 9:55 AM
Anonymous said...: Does anyone know if haiku has nigger-free codes? I've recently dumped linux has been getting more and more infected by nigger on its codes. Thanks, bros; January 3, 2011 at 10:31 AM
Anonymous said...: Does anyone know whether Suse has Nigger-Guy free codes?; January 3, 2011 at 10:38 AM
Anonymous said...: Nigger-free code is important for security. Just look at microshit and all their security issues. Know the cause? Lack of nigger-free codes; January 3, 2011 at 11:42 AM
Anonymous said...: Which one do you guys like more:

"Freetard"

or

"Luser"

?; January 3, 2011 at 12:04 PM
Anonymous said...: Here is a great article about PJ from Groklaw having a freetarded meltdown over Novell selling it's patents to that Microsoft/Apple/Oracle/etc consortium. To hear her tell it she was like the one who single-handedly defeated SCO when she was doing nothing but sitting on the sidelines.

Also, this is one of the best of the freetard posts bashing Novell.; January 3, 2011 at 12:53 PM
Anonymous said...: Tux Sux and Dr Loser's posts have been entertaining recently.

Keep up the good work fighting the evil $tallman empire.; January 3, 2011 at 1:33 PM
Anonymous said...: So Pamela Jones does exist? Can somebody wikileak a photo?; January 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM
Anonymous said...: Ok, but you're not going to like it.; January 3, 2011 at 1:58 PM
Anonymous said...: I'll even learn how to program to help the effort out.

Well I'm going to learn high school physics and then harass NASA until they do a manned Mars mission.

Come on NASA! I'm sure I can help!; January 3, 2011 at 2:10 PM
Anonymous said...: Ok, but you're not going to like it .

I think I've just gone off wikis..; January 3, 2011 at 2:12 PM
Anonymous said...: Also, this is one of the best of the freetard posts bashing Novell.

I like it how the freetard proclaims that:

This is the same Novell in 2006 that essentially sold itself into a pseudo-bondage/partnership arrangement with Microsoft, one of the most FOSS-hostile organizations that had ever existed

They are really bad at history. You just need to look over at Penguin Day to see that the hostilities were started by the freetards. Some of them wished genocide on MS employees long before any Microserf Vice President knew what a Linux distro was.

And the top FOSS guys weren't exactly better (Red Hat' boss calling Microsoft a heroin dealer long before the famous Ballmerite cancer-blopper)

Regarding FOSS at least, MS is just fighting back. The FOSSers were the one who were hostile from the get go (particulary towards MS, but really towards any proprietary software company); January 3, 2011 at 2:17 PM
Anonymous said...: adobe control the means of production, in this case photoshop and its developers.
as such the livelyhood of every graphic designer is held hostage by adobe's greed and caprice.
it is the duty of every Freedom-loving person to force adobe to open their codes and hand control of the software to the people.

no more usury and rent-seeking by the adobe overlords! when the users control the software, all will have as much as they need, and can contribute according to their ability. imagine how great photoshop will be when the codes are released and every developer can tweak the tool as they want!

we will have amazing super-tools and no more wasteful competition.; January 3, 2011 at 2:18 PM
Anonymous said...: Unfortunately, 99.9% of the people who call for the opening of "teh codez" can't program for shit.; January 3, 2011 at 2:20 PM
Anonymous said...: See you dudes at the "Wut" post.; January 3, 2011 at 2:22 PM
Anonymous said...: Ah, it's circletimessquare from Slashdot. At last he visits us! Observe the refusal to use capital letters and the fanatical love of Marxist theory, but be careful, for if you should disagree with him, then you must go and live in Somalia with all the other Randroids.; January 3, 2011 at 2:26 PM
Anonymous said...: LSAT PSOT!!!!; January 3, 2011 at 2:26 PM
Anonymous said...: Unfortunately, 99.9% of the people who call for the opening of "teh codez" can't program for shit.

Why else call for releasing the codes? I mean, if they could program they could just type in the codes themselves.; January 3, 2011 at 2:27 PM

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