Wednesday, February 15, 2012

DBus! It's Evil!


So, please support choice and freedom by implementing programs the right way instead of the Linux/Gnome/DBus way.
Oh boy.

http://blog.ngas.ch/archives/2011/12/13/the_destructive_desktop__mdash_linux_in_trouble/index.html

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Anonymous said...

Way to destroy comment-pagination on old templates, Google.

Anonymous said...

Now, there's an interesting question.

nope.jpeg

Anonymous said...

Dr. Boring blathered:

Why would Rock Stars like we Nametards piss away our valuable time on a crippled site like this?

See, right there. If you'd just stop insulting your betters you may indeed be welcomed here for a change.

Anonymous said...

Gay

Anonymous said...

Man, just came back from the tittie bar, some nice hotties. The beer on tap was good too.

Only interesting comment in here.

Negro Scum said...

Savage negro animal murders White man.

Anonymous said...

Well this place went to shit... who wants lunch?

Anonymous said...

You buying?

Flying Toaster said...

This is a catch they do but they don't.

The correct answer is "they don't".

Look closely again at the WHATWG page you have cited. Does it look like it is written for the implementation details of Javascript engines or browsers? In the real world (that is, the one that is both alien and decidedly different from your fantasy, made-up one), we have scopes, and however you implement a Javascript interpreter or compiler is entirely outside the scope (however absurd it seems) of the Web Worker standard. Given your obviously lack of understanding in such things, it is only reasonable to expect you offer worthless answers such as "they do and they don't".

Question becomes why do you need to multi thread in the engine. When you can start multi engines on different threads and have them working with each other.

No, a design such as this is ugly from an engineering standpoint.

Let's suppose someone, for some inexplicable reason, decides to implement Javascript threading the way you have specified. Let's suppose we have several hypothetical Javascript threads sharing an unspecified amount of memory. Let's supposed also that one of the threads suddenly dies an unexpected death. The remaining threads are obviously still either running or waiting, so, how do you, from outside the context of the Javascript engine, terminate every one of them safely?

You can't.

The only context in which you can know whether or when you can terminate a thread safely is from within the application. In other words, your Javascript engine will need to understand what a thread is and the instructions on how to handle them properly. Moving such mechanisms to outside of the Javascript engine will break the browser/script engine abstractions. Leaving out such mechanisms will result in threads that you can't terminate in a safe way. And deliberately leaving the remaining threads running will simply produce unexpected behaviors from the application (since one thread, for a purpose unknown to neither the Javascript engine nor the browser, has already died unexpectedly). In other word, your proposed design is ugly however you look at it.

And you are a brain-damaged numbnut.

Multi threaded engine. One error falls in a heap.

If you are talking about threads that have essentially nothing to do with each other, then that's most definitely a problem. For threads that share some form of interactivity? Not so much.

Two ways to make javascript run multi threaded. Both achieve the same final result. What is a multi threaded program.

But only one is decidedly uglier than the other. Guess which one it is!

The multi engine bit also prevents locking bugs where people forgot to lock a variable before accessing it.

If you mean abolishing shared memory completely, then, why, yeah, that will most definitely work! Otherwise, you are just being full of crap, as usual.

When dealing with javascript coders who you cannot depend on being thread sane. I think I would go web workers.

The term is "thread safe", and, no, you don't know anything about it.

Also really you don't want tabs like taking your 8 core cpu to there self just because they contained one long very complex script.

The problem here is not about "tabs" or "tabbed browsing". It's not about "one long very complex script" or the parallelization of batch processes. It's about being able to implement a website previously not permissible or permissible only with workarounds.

And you are, again, being full of crap.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I was kind of surprised by the poster who said that you can do multi-threading in JavaScript.

That would be recipe for disaster.

How many links to fork bombs do you think would be available after that?

Moron.

Anonymous said...

Is Kot in Action trolling the freetards by selling shit games made with the Darkplaces fork of the Quake engine?

Anonymous said...

Perhaps. But they're out to make some money too. Maybe they won't make a lot but if they make anything off it it will be a win because they didn't have to write very much.

The best OSS project money-grab I saw was the dude that grabbed someone else's code (can't remember which project it was), put it up on his SourceForge site and started asking for donations.

Based on the GPL, he did nothing wrong.

Anonymous said...

Maybe they won't make a lot but if they make anything off it it will be a win because they didn't have to write very much.

I don't know, if the levels are made with some script run through their level editor than I'd agree, if they are randomly generating by the engine at run time that's a lot of work.

Either way it looks like ass.

Typical Winbred said...

LONG LIVE LAMAR SMITH AND SOPA/PIPA

FUCK THE INTERNET

Angry Birds Space said...

Has the "Pissed off Penguins" guy finished his project already? Because Rovio will soon release:

Angry Birds Space

Freetards, start your ill-fated copying attempts.

Anonymous said...

Its always funny how people use the work quantum jump for something big, although its basically the smallest thing that can happen in a physical system.

Anonymous said...

work = word

Anonymous said...

As a point of interest, Saints Row will release Gangstas in Space DLC add-on tomorrow for around seven dollars.

Anonymous said...

We're already on it Winbreds!!11

We've scrapped our plans for Angry Penguins the Third: Purple Dildo City and will be concentrating our efforts on Angry Penguins in Space: Purple Dildo Run.

It's going to destroy Rovio's market share.

:guitar: :guitar: :guitar:

Anonymous said...

So, which language is better for multithreading - Java Script or Perl?

Anonymous said...

So, which language is better for multithreading - Java Script or Perl?

Excellent troll. That manages to piss off web developers and hardened Unix types all in one statement.

Anonymous said...

Pissed of Penguins has no code after how long? Fuck, how many - even JavaScript (while we're on the topic) libs are there for doing rigid fucking bodies?

POP is an after-school project that should take a couple of hours. What the fuck is up with freetards? It really is the underpants business model with them.

Anonymous said...

Butts

Anonymous said...

"Perl is the worst language in existence!"

Please discuss.

Anonymous said...

Perl is the greatest write-only language ever designed.

Anonymous said...

So, which language is better for multithreading - Java Script or Perl?

Let's see... Perl has extensive support for managing not only its own threads but other processes. It has a unified codebase, a central authority who -- regardless of what you may think of the language -- has shown himself willing to make necessary changes, but only after understanding how developers use the language. It has a highly optimized interpreter, and can be used to build just about any type of non-GUI program, and as "glue" to build GUI programs.

Javascript is a bastardized mashup of rival standards, based on a terrible misappropriation of syntax from at least two other languages. It has only after-the-fact "standards" and even the implementations which set these standards are full of bugs. Bad design decisions remain in the language eternally because updating the language would break backwards compatibility and there is nobody in charge to force such a decision, no matter how necessary it might be. Thread support is extremely limited, experimental, and potentially full of nasty side-effects.

But freetards know that the only thing which can save Linux on the desktop is web apps, so Javascript must be better.

Anonymous said...

"Perl's OK but Java is better since it's now faster than C."

Discuss.

Anonymous said...

>Perl is the greatest write-only language ever designed.

Yes, for some meaning of 'designed'. I'm just glad Larry Wall is effectively put out of business, caught by the web of his own stupidity (aka perl 6). *snicker*

Anonymous said...

>Javascript is a bastardized mashup of rival standards, based on a terrible misappropriation of syntax from at least two other languages.

When comparing perl and javascript, you are blaming javascript for stealing syntax? Is there any Unix language that perl hasn't stolen syntax from? *snicker*

Anonymous said...

"Perl is the worst language in existence!"

I may be overlooking any of the many languages I don't know, but Perl has the best text-processing features I've encountered. I wouldn't use it to build an OS, even ignoring the fact that it's interpreted, but there are things it does very well.

Besides, there are plenty of far worse languages. Look at PHP, for starters.

I just love the fact that PHP developers can't even make up their mind about naming conventions. Built-in function names can be:

- The data type operated on, followed by an underscore, followed by the operation: array_combine
- An abbreviated form of the data type, followed by an underscore, followed by an operation: preg_match
- An abbreviated form of the data type, immediately followed by the operation: strtolower, arsort
- An abbreviated form of the data type, immediately followed by an abbreviated form of the operation: strnatcmp
- A single bare word without a data type name, even though the operation is on a specific data type: explode
- Bare words for an operation, separated by underscores: chunk_split
- Bare words for an operation, mushed together: htmlentities
- Abbreviated bare words: ord
- An existing built-in function name with a prepended abbreviation to signify slightly different behavior: mb_strlen

Maybe it's been fixed in later editions, but the copy of PHP in a Nutshell I was conned into buying a few years ago even manages to make its function listing useless by separating the built-in functions into different parts of the book for no reason. (And even then, the array section left out count and the main listing put an underscore into htmlentities. Useless damn book.)

Anonymous said...

>I may be overlooking any of the many languages I don't know, but Perl has the best text-processing features I've encountered.

Was it really necessary for the bums to incorporate regular expressions into the syntax of the language when a set of library routines would have done just fine (and kept the language syntax much cleaner)?

Anonymous said...

Perl's OK but Java is better since it's now faster than C.

*golf clap* 8/10. If give you hooker groupons if I hadn't used all of mine.

Anonymous said...

"I'd give" not "If give".

Anonymous said...

Was it really necessary for the bums to incorporate regular expressions into the syntax of the language when a set of library routines would have done just fine (and kept the language syntax much cleaner)?

I'm not a language designer, merely a user, so I can't say whether it's necessary or not. But I prefer Perl's syntax to the mess which comes about when doing regular expressions with functions. Just needing to double-escape escape sequences is a nuisance and a trap for the unwary all by itself. To give an example: suppose you're looking for non-ASCII characters to sanitize in some way. In Perl, you can say:
$x =~ m/[^\x00-\x7F]/
but in PHP (which I hate anyway) that has to become:
preg_match( "/[^\\x00-\\x7F]/", $x )
If you forget and accidentally use
preg_match( "/[^\x00-\x7F]/", $x )
then you get some very odd results. (And this is necessary in PHP because the built-in functions for sanitizing non-ASCII characters don't really work as advertised. But then, PHP's support for character encodings is half-assed anyway.)

Anonymous said...

Despite our differences, I think we can all agree that Linux is the greatest OS of all time.

Anonymous said...

In your ass.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone been to the turdrepository recently? I just scanned the first two pages and it's just one facepalm after another. Dr. Boring and Queef should just get a room and work out the sexual tension between themselves.

Anonymous said...

Despite our differences, I think we can all agree that Linux is the greatest OS of all time.

In my independent tests, Linux install media flies 15% farther when thrown as a frisbee than Mac OS X or Windows. And when used as a coaster, it reduces the rate of penetration of dripping condensation from the outside of glasses by nearly half (47%).

Totally useless when actually installed, but you can't win 'em all.

Anonymous said...

The PHP bums seem to have chosen an especially retarded way of doing things, but there's no reason why the stuff between slashes can't be passed off without changes to a subroutine as a string.

As somebody said: "Stealing ideas is not in and of itself a bad thing. The problem is that Perl does so in unbelievably bizarre ways."

Anonymous said...

Any hot guys want to fuck my ass?

-Sent from my iFag device.

Linux User said...

Sure, but you have to go down first. My pic is in my name.

- Butt texted from my Android

His Name is Robert Pogson said...

It’s been a while since I have had any problem with printing in GNU/Linux, but yesterday I needed to print from Beast to give my wife a printed document of all the black men she was scheduled to entertain to ensure there was only four black men at a time and not five.

Anonymous said...

Dr. Boring and Queef should just get a room and work out the sexual tension between themselves.

Adam is a troll's troll. He owns them half the time he spouts off.

Anonymous said...

True, but Boring wants to ride his cock badly. Half of his "trademarks" are just whining about Queef.

Anonymous said...

So I figured I'd try Xonotic out just to see if it's any better than Nexuiz was. Nope.

Now it's a slower download (almost a gig), connecting to a server still crashes the game, maps fail to download and so all you see is a bunch of characters in space, and the character models look like they're from 1994. But hey, we're protecting the sores!

Anonymous said...

Half of his "trademarks" are just whining about Queef.

They should just go to Canada and get married already.

Anonymous said...

What's funny is Poggy doesn't know that Apple bought CUPS 4 years ago. Also Ohio ham shares his "insight" about Apple "biting the hand that feeds it" yet Apple pays the developer and owns the source. No, it's the freetards doing that, not Apple.

Anonymous said...

What's funny is Poggy doesn't know that Apple bought CUPS 4 years ago.

Pogson will attribute Apple occasionally and only when it suits his argument but I think this is just a simple case of cognitive dissonance. Go in and post and watch him go into trance mode.

Anonymous said...

When im in the shower I need a lube that can be used for anal fingering that is very slippery.

Whats house hold product is good for anal lube ?

Anonymous said...

Dear users, the LHB staff would like to inform you that we have moved into post-production on the 500 black man gangbang of Mrs. Robert Pogson that was filmed last weekend. In the coming weeks we will be starting a logo and title contest for the release packaging. Prizes for the winning entries will include free copies of the movie, a copy of Skyrim and a front row seat for the sequel that we have planned for the fall. We will be releasing this on both DVD and Bluray and will be working to offer it for streaming.

Finally we would like to give lots of thanks to Dr.Boring, TM Suppository, Robert Pogson, Ohio Ham and Joey Sneddon for taking on the grueling task of VIP fluffers during the grueling 15 hour shoot.

-LHB Staff

Anonymous said...

I've got nuts to bust
And butts to fuck
And sluts to
fucking uppercut

Anonymous said...

@ February 20, 2012 2:43 PM

Right there, that's comedy gold!

+ 5 funny

Anonymous said...

Whats house hold product is good for anal lube ?

Bleach is slippery enough.

Anonymous said...

Shiteaters unite!

Anonymous said...

The PHP bums seem to have chosen an especially retarded way of doing things, but there's no reason why the stuff between slashes can't be passed off without changes to a subroutine as a string.

Yes, actually, there is a very good reason why you can't assume strings -- even hard-coded strings only -- beginning and ending with forward slashes are regular expressions. Every absolute POSIX file path is such a string. Is "/.hidden/g" a path or a regular expression? Probably the former but having a parser which automatically assumes it is bad.

Still, there is a way which would resolve this while making Perl less difficult to read for people used to C-ish languages:

1. Make "Regular Expression" a distinct data type
2. Make the regexp data type have automatic casting to and from strings as needed
3. Make the syntax for specifying data of type regexp in the program use forward slashes instead of quotation marks
4. Inline regexps do not need to be double-escaped. Strings cast to inline regexps do.
5. Strings cast to regexps do not need to begin and end with slashes. (Why bother?)
6. Use functions for making regular expressions actually do things instead of operators

So inside the program:
"\\xFF"
is equivalent to
/\xFF/

But instead of the messy, line noise-ish:
$x =~ m/\xFF/
use either
match( $x, /\xFF/ )
or
match( $x, "\\xFF" )

This would be parseable, readable, and wouldn't break on file paths. In fact, it seemed so obvious that I went and looked at the Perl apocalypses to see if Larry Wall was recommending this approach for Perl 6. Of course not. (*sigh*)

Anonymous said...

When comparing perl and javascript, you are blaming javascript for stealing syntax?

No, I'm blaming Javascript for stealing syntax badly.

Without evaluating it in a browser, can you tell what the result is of the following line:
1 + 1 + " bad choices were made in Javascript string concatenation"
Is it "2 bad choices were made in Javascript string concatenation", or "11 bad choices were made in Javascript string concatenation"? (And which versions of which browsers will get this wrong in practice?)

Javascript is full of this crap. Perl may have weird borrowed syntax, but it doesn't have borrowed syntax which encourages the parser to parse things in the opposite way from how the developer intended.

Anonymous said...

Strings cast to inline regexps do

This should have been "Inline strings cast to regexps do", obviously.

Anonymous said...

@FEBRUARY 20, 2012 2:43 PM

+20 hooker groupons for you..

Anonymous said...

EU be killin' freetarded software, yo!

Eron said...

201tH cOmMeNt.

YOu Is mAD. I has caKes NOw?
Why you so mad kitty?
i sAy beCause You LIkE mad bro.

Weeping Eron said...

^260tH cOmMeNt

Anonymous said...

^260tH cOmMeNt

Even the super-useless trolls can't get pagination to work properly any more. Damn you, Google!

Anonymous said...

Guys, wtf is "Mindforth"??

Anonymous said...

Skynet.

Anonymous said...

Whatever happened to the raging freetards?

Anonymous said...

BOW DOWN BEFORE LINUX NOW OR YOU WILL SPEND THE ETERNAL AFTERLIFE IN HELL!

Anonymous said...

Mr. Pogson was alarmed. He couldn't quite place it, but he instinctively felt that something was wrong. His wife's loud moans were piercing to the ears, she was apparently engaged in another gang bang with some black studs in the living room. But that didn't bother Mr. Pogson. Being in retirement, his wife's little side job helped paying the bills. Due to various circumstances he hadn't been able to perform for the longest time now, thus his wife taking on black cock regularly was really "two birds, one stone". Shaking off this thoughts, Mr. Pogson got up from the kitchen table and went towards his little working room. It had a special lock, a lock like no other. It didn't look spectacular or anything, no, it wouldn't have scared anyone who sought entrance. But unless they were able to chant the General Public License in just the right intonation, they would fail. This was a lock fitting for "The Beast". Mr. Pogson connected his Android smart thingy to the locks integrated USB port. After some seconds he was certain that the lock hadn't been tampered with. Somewhere behind him the gang bang party was in high gear. Even through the closed door of the living room you could hear his wife demanding more black cock. But Mr. Pogson didn't pay attention to it. He still felt uneasy, even though the lock seemed to be fine. "M$." It had to be spoken "upper case m dollar sign." It was the signal for the lock to get ready for the authorization procedure. Mr. Pogson began the long chant of the General Public License. And right now he regretted it a little that he hadn't chosen the BSD license. The lock's software, which ran on top of GNU/Linux, was intelligent enough to not pick up Mr. Pogson's wife's moaning and the black studs' trash talking. After he had finished chanting the lock gave off a subtle beeping sound. Behind the door you heard the four heavy steel bars slide into their recess areas. The laser grid powered down very audibly. Finally, the door opened.

Burn A Koran for Freedom Today! said...

Burning a koran is the perfect way to insite childlike behavior among terrorists.

Anonymous said...

Slashtards now get in on the CUPS butthurt train.

Anonymous said...

I R 1337 H4X0R!!!

Anonymous said...

@February 21, 2012 4:35 AM

Excellent story Sir! I cannot wait for the newest installment and see whether or not Mrs Pogson does a DP with Tyrone and friends.

Anonymous said...

Dear users, the LHB staff would like to inform you that we have moved into post-production on the 500 black man gangbang of Mrs. Robert Pogson that was filmed last weekend.

See? That's why this place is still in business after all these years: community spirit. That and references to nigger cock, gangbangs, pr0n, and hooker groupons.

In your face /.!

Google Fanboys said...

Man, Google fanboys are the worst corporate fanboys of all time. Maybe it's because lots of them are freetards, too.

Just read the comments man..

a) Did you investigate if Google was the only on doing this, or are you just scared of Google because their eating your lunch?

b) Anyone smart enough to use Google isn't dumb enough to use IE

c) Why would some one the uses IE be silly enough to think they had privacy? I assumed you were spying on us!

d) Get over it, and build a decent product

e) Why did you let google spy on them! Looks like you dropped the ball big time! But what would we expect?

F) I trust google with my stuff about a 1 gugillion times more then MS or Apple!

Anonymous said...

Catacomb Snatch

Mojang's game they built in 60 or so hours for the "Humble Bundle Mojam".

The resident Java experts can download the source code:

Catacom Snatch Source Code

Anonymous said...

F) I trust google with my stuff about a 1 gugillion times more then MS or Apple!

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Google:

1. Has no business model other than selling personal information (on one level or another), so it's not a question of whether or not they will invade your privacy, it's a question of how much they will do so.

2. Recently revised their terms of service to make it kosher for them to sell more of your information more easily -- it's now explicit that they will do this.

3. Has made it a priority to consolidate all their services in order to collect more information about users -- they are gearing up to do more privacy invasion than they have been.

4. Has been caught deliberately infringing on other people's work (see, for example, the e-mail which proves they knew Android was an infringement on the Java VM) -- if they're willing to purposely do illegal things when they are dealing with big companies who will find out and sue, what makes you think they won't break the law when dealing with individuals who will probably never find out and probably wouldn't bother mounting a lawsuit anyway?

5. Will turn on a dime to do unethical things -- look at the way the demos of Android changed from a "dumb" phone OS to a ripoff of the iPhone as soon as Schiller got a look at an iPhone prototype.

So, yeah, that's as compared with Apple and Microsoft, who... release proprietary software. Obviously, Google must be their moral superiors, right?

Anonymous said...

Has been caught deliberately infringing on other people's work (see, for example, the e-mail which proves they knew Android was an infringement on the Java VM)

I think this one actually gives them street cred with the freetards and anti-copyright activists.

Anonymous said...

But...Google "Does No Evil"! Just underhandedly bypasses privacy controls. But that's okay. Never mind that if, say, Facebook did the same thing they'd be having coronaries.

Anonymous said...

OMG! OMG! OMG! Oompoopoo on my Android phone! :guitar: :jizz: :guitar:

Anonymous said...

AAA game studios now deciding to bring their games to Linux. Year of the Linux Desktop now assured.

Anonymous said...

Freetards like Google because all their products are indeed completely free to them. They don't cost even privacy as such, since the freetards know very well that no advertising agency cares about them in the slightest.

If you're buying ad space from google, would you care about a sub 1% cheap-o demographic who wants everything for free? The only interesting stat about them is how much pron they download from one-click hosters in their mother's basements.

So Google's services for them are indeed truly and absolutely free.

Chrome Password Generator said...

I trust google with my stuff about a 1 gugillion times more then MS or Apple!

Yeah right. By the way: Soon Google Chrome will generate "strong" passwords on the fly and store them in the cloud! Users won't even know their passworts, never ever. Just point on the password field and press a button.

Sending all your passwords to the biggest data processing agency on Earth, ridden with privacy scandals... what could go wrong?

My biggest beef with Google is their extreme personalizing though. So if you clicked mostly on news articles on sites with certain biases, after a while, only sites with the same biases will be shown to you.

That means only right wing news sites for right wingers, only left wing news sites for left wingers. And for the user, it is as if other viewpoints don't even exist on the internet. Many people don't notice it, unless they flush their cookie repository.

Orwell 2.0

I love it when internet activists throw tantrums because of Acta and such (not that I approve it), but are completely oblivious to what their champion is doing.

Google Fanboys II said...

this is an outrageous interference with Google business

instigated by by paid $hills that abuse their office at the direction of the evil software companies like apple and M$. Instead of whining these lame competitors should secure their software or open it for inspection by the community.

Anonymous said...

Google fanboys are some of the most pathetic corporate whores around. Even if Google was intercepting their SSL traffic as a man-in-the-middle they'd find someway to defend Google's actions as okay.

Anonymous said...

That "Ubuntu on Android" idea is a really good one, really really good.

I'll tell you how it's going to go down though: Canonical will attempt to get their cool idea off the ground, it will be a half-arsed implementation so everyone will ignore it.

Fast-forward five years, Apple will come along with a decent implementation that everyone will hail as the greatest innovation since sliced bread and be willing to pay piles of cash for.

Microsoft will come out with a pretty decent copy of the Apple product within a couple of years, but everyone will ignore it because: Microsoft aren't cool, it's just a copy of the Apple product.

During this entire time Freetards will whinge: first they'll complain that Canonical have "sold out"; then it'll be because Apple "steal all our ideas!"; finally they'll deride Microsoft for being failures, despite them shifting more units than Canonical ever did.

Anonymous said...

It's just Ubuntu running in a chroot. It's nothing new or spectacular unless you're freetarded.

Anonymous said...

this is an outrageous interference with Google business

When it comes to Google, fanboys are the biggest Libertarians on the planet. Mention Microsoft, however, and they turn into a cross between Maynard Keynes and Trust Bustin' Teddy Roosevelt.

Anonymous said...

It's just Ubuntu running in a chroot. It's nothing new or spectacular unless you're freetarded.

Yeah, well the iPad is just an iPhone with a bigger screen. If you think that a simple idea is automatically bad one, let me ask you this: would you turn down the profits of selling the iPad if you had the chance at getting them?

Anonymous said...

Also, the iPod was technically sub-par compared to other MP3 players of the time, now no-one remembers there was such a thing as an MP3 player before the iPod.

So it really doesn't matter how technically good, complicated or clever something is, it just has to be a good idea. Being able to get to your desktop OS just by plugging your phone into your desktop monitor is a good idea.

It'll probably be a few years before the phone hardware will be powerful enough, that's why I think it'll only get done right when Apple pick it up.

Anonymous said...

The iPad is not an iPhone with a budget screen. That's also a freetarded statement. It's stupid statements like that which point out how out-of-touch freetards are. Again, what Canonical is doing is not revolutionary or new. People have been running Oompoopoo, Debian, etc. in chroots on Android, WebOS and Nokia N900s for some time now. Oompoopoo running on the phone without chroot and using the full capabilities would be somewhat impressive, but not really. It's still shitty, old Oompoopoo in the end.

Anonymous said...

What's a great idea about it? Buying a phone more expensive than a laptop that also does not come with the dock standard, thus costing even more, just to run Oompoopoo on it? That's fucking stupid.

Anonymous said...

What's even more funny is we used to laugh at chroot guy, now see freetard is trying to tell us how amazing chroots on phones are (despite people already doing this for a couple years before Canonical came to the party). And just go to XDA to see people running Oompoopoo, Debian, etc. on the Atrix for some time now.

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Moving to Free Software said...

The FSF writes:

Making the first step toward using free software can be a nerve-wracking experience for even the most experienced of computer users. Here are some guides for some simple first steps you can make, as well as long-term solutions you may wish to consider.

Well, at least they got that right.

What's next, then?

- Pidgin — replaces Windows Live Messenger, AIM, Yahoo! and more
- Thunderbird — replaces Outlook Express or Windows Live Mail
- VLC — replaces iTunes, RealPlayer and Windows Media Player
- Inkscape — replaces Adobe Illustrator
- LibreOffice/OpenOffice.org — replaces Microsoft Office
- Audacity -- A Free Software Audio editing application -- GPLv2+
- ClamWin -- A Free Software Anti-virus utility -- GPLv2
- the GIMP -- replaces Photoshop -- GPLv2


Start laugh track ... now!

Anonymous said...

The iPad is not an iPhone with a budget screen. That's also a freetarded statement. It's stupid statements like that which point out how out-of-touch freetards are

You don't get it do you. "iPad is just iPhone with a bigger screen" is the same as saying, "Ubuntu on Android is just Ubuntu in a chroot".

I'm saying that you're completely missing the point, just like Slashdot did in their reporting on the iPod. But fine, just wait until Apple do a great job on this or a similar idea and see how they cash in, while you and the rest of the out of touch tech community go, "Waaaah, but it's just a chroot! What's so special about that?" While completely missing the point, again.

And you can stop projecting all that bullshit about me being a Freetard.

Anonymous said...

Making the first step toward using free software can be a nerve-wracking experience for even the most experienced of computer users

I gotta give kudos to the FSF though. They don't sugar-coat it.

Anonymous said...

Hey, I just noticed something: Digg is dead, isn't it?

Haven't seen a link to it or the term "digg it" for a year or so.

Anonymous said...

No it's not the same thing, Captain Freetard. One provides a larger, easier to use interface for many tasks. The other is Oompoopoo in a chroot with poor performance and the shitty Loonix suite of apps. Once again, your freetard peers have already been running Oompoopoo in a chroot on their Atrix for some time now and on other things like the N900, anything WebOS for longer. Keep bawwwing, though.

KoalaInName said...

@FEBRUARY 21, 2012 12:59 PM

"Keep bawwwwing though."

Nah, thanks, but if you don't get it by now you never will.

Anonymous said...

Yep, I will never understand the "mindblowing" innovation of running Oompoopoo on the Atrix using a chroot. An overpriced phone running a shitty OS. :guitar: :guitar: :guitar:

Anonymous said...

Thunderbird — replaces Outlook Express or Windows Live Mail

The hell? Is that why T-bird is so fucked up? It is a copy of Outlook Express?

Anonymous said...

The one thing I just hate on the internet is the accusation of trolling or generating flame wars.

Most of the time the "trolling" is just holding a legitimate, but contrary opinion to the majority of the forum.

Basically, dissenting opinions are not allowed on internet discussion forums.

I am also annoyed by these rating features on sites like slashdot and osnews, which block the post from appearing normally.

Why bother going to a discussion forum, if all you want is reading posts that comply with your opinion?! Just talk to yourself.

Anonymous said...

Less debate, more Pogson stories.

Anonymous said...

Save them , Lord Jesus

Anonymous said...

Less debate, more Pogson stories.

Word, Bro.

I remember the one where Pogson killed the Grizzly and took the saved maidens to his wife for lesbian porn videos.

Anonymous said...

Save them, Lord Jesus!

I can't. I'm watching Linsanity on my TiVo. Reborn Christians are the best.

Sent from my iPhone 5.

Anonymous said...

- Pidgin — replaces Windows Live Messenger, AIM, Yahoo! and more

O rly? Then all those freetards who were petitioning for an official AIM client from AOL were asking for no reason?

- Thunderbird — replaces Outlook Express or Windows Live Mail

In the sense that Outlook is a seriously fucked up mail client and so is Thunderbird, I suppose this is true.

- VLC — replaces iTunes, RealPlayer and Windows Media Player

In what universe is VLC a replacement for iTunes? The point of iTunes is not to play things back, it's to provide a central point for organization, device control, and -- yes -- purchase. I suppose VLC is roughly equivalent to RealPlayer, though -- RealPlayer is a mess which tries to take over control of all media files on your system, too.

- Inkscape — replaces Adobe Illustrator

Like a cardboard tube replaces a cigarette, yes.

- LibreOffice/OpenOffice.org — replaces Microsoft Office

If you're tired of being able to run macros and use OS-native controls, I suppose this is kinda-sorta true.

- Audacity -- A Free Software Audio editing application -- GPLv2+

Notice that this isn't even claimed to "replace" anything, nor are any positive adjectives used to describe it. Its sole benefit is: it's GPLv2. Well, good, the fewer GPL3 programs I have to see the better, but I'd rather compensate the author for his or her time and get a program which can be described as "good".

- ClamWin -- A Free Software Anti-virus utility -- GPLv2

A Free Software Anti-virus utility which is slow as molasses, almost entirely passive, and inferior on Windows XP to Microsoft Security Essentials.

- the GIMP -- replaces Photoshop -- GPLv2

There's this book called "Natural Cures 'They' Don't Want You To Know About". It's by a convicted mail fraud scammer named Kevin Trudeau, and consists mostly of "send $50 to the author of this book, and he'll let you know the details of this amazing cure we describe in non-legally-binding terms". If you pay up, you find that the only thing getting "cured" is Kevin Trudeau's overdraft.

People who believe in Kevin Trudeau are likely to also believe that The GIMP is equivalent to Photoshop. You know, those millions of artists who pay for Photoshop, they're just a bunch of sheep. There's this amazing program called The GIMP which lets you do everything Photoshop does... except effective CMYK color, high-bit-depth color, a good interface, and a few other minor items like that.

Anonymous said...

That and the GPU-accelerated filters that Duh GIMP has no equivalent of.

Anonymous said...

Anybody hitting the tittie bar later? First round is on me.

Anonymous said...

No, but I'm hitting the spacebar. see?

Anonymous said...

+5 funny

Anonymous said...

So does Pogson ever find out what's wrong with the beast?

Anonymous said...

No but Mrs. Pogson takes 4 black cocks at once (2 in the front, 1 in the back, and 1 in the mouth).

Anonymous said...

- Thunderbird — replaces Outlook Express or Windows Live Mail

In the sense that Outlook is a seriously fucked up mail client and so is Thunderbird, I suppose this is true.

Outlook is a great email client. Outlook express is a giant heaping pile of shit which is why it no longer exists except on pirated XP copies that can't pass the WGA check required to install Windows Live Mail, which isn't a bad consumer mail client and calender.

Flying Toaster said...

Why bother going to a discussion forum, if all you want is reading posts that comply with your opinion?! Just talk to yourself.

I think it's a pretty established theory that people have the tendency to favor evidence and opinions that support their beliefs. Pogson and Slashdot spring to mind.

Anonymous said...

convicted mail fraud scammer named Kevin Trudeau

Heh, he ought to come to Canada, up here we make fraudsters with the name 'Trudeau' prime minister. NEP anyone?

Anonymous said...

Is your DB web scale?

Anonymous said...

Outlook is a great email client. Outlook express is a giant heaping pile of shit which is why it no longer exists except on pirated XP copies that can't pass the WGA check required to install Windows Live Mail, which isn't a bad consumer mail client and calender.

Back in the day, I've had to administer Listserv-type discussion lists (the open-source Mailman is nowhere near a replacement for the proprietary Listserv, by the way -- although the pricing on Listserv is way too ambitious), and you don't appreciate how crummy Outlook is until mail formatting actually has an effect on your day-to-day life. Outlook does a huge number of small things which aren't standard and thus don't function as you expect. It was also -- although it was used by a small fraction of people on my lists -- the source of the most "how do I ___" questions. Ever since then, I've hated it. Outlook is the software equivalent of the coworker who doesn't know how to do things but keeps doing them anyway, and you have to clean up his mess every single damn time.

Linux Saved My Ass said...

Linux saved his ass.

Flying Toaster said...

Back in the day, I've had to administer[...]

Um... How long ago was this?

Top Poster said...

I'm guessing sometime in the '90's. You know back when the men were men and the sheep were scared because of the OCD types administering mail lists.

Um... How long ago was this?

Anonymous said...

Um... How long ago was this?

Back in the day when your mom still liked to suck your cock after school.

Anonymous said...

OH NO HE DINT

Anonymous said...

Um... How long ago was this?

Without going back to look it up, a few years centered somewhere around 2004. Say 2003-2005, probably a little longer on both ends.

Anonymous said...

OH NO HE DINT

Yes, he did. He was a naughty boy. Being a geek he was constantly mobbed in school, so his mother tried to console him with her mouth. It helped that he had a large cock. But he left the house when his mother wanted to blow his dog. She then became an alcoholic. Her death was tragic, she tried to blow a horse, but was trampled. He's scarred forever since then.

eventarg said...

OMG latest Ooboontoo innovation. I'm going to sell my Windows Phone now!

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-02/21/canonical-ubuntu-for-android

Flying Toaster said...

I'm guessing sometime in the '90's. You know back when the men were men and the sheep were scared because of the OCD types administering mail lists.

That wouldn't surprise me at all given the popularity of Exchange Server and Outlook, and formatting issues with Outlook these days are mostly about HTML formatting, which you have to consider anyway for every mail client in existence. But, of course, loons with big chips on their shoulders will just keep on complaining about everything MS even if it's the bog-standard thing in an office environment and create nothing more than needless tensions amongst coworkers.

Porn Is Free Speech! said...

People like Larry Flynt and John Stagliano and Max Hardcore, when they fight these cases, they risk — and frankly, they do go to jail for it — when people risk that, when they don't plea out, when they say they're going to stand up for the 1st Amendment, these people are doing more for your liberty and my liberty than anybody in the military.

That's right, people. Forget fat fucks like Stallman and Raymond. When you can watch Max Hardcore urinating onto girls made up to look underage, that's real freedom. America, fuck yeah!

Flying Toaster said...

OMG latest Ooboontoo innovation. I'm going to sell my Windows Phone now!

I am sensing that Pogson is going to drool all over this with his usual "small cheap computers" sound bites.

Anonymous said...

the open-source Mailman is nowhere near a replacement for the proprietary Listserv, by the way -- although the pricing on Listserv is way too ambitious

Come to think of it, Mailman is an excellent example to use against freetards and FOSS.

It's an open-source mailing list runner. You'd think that since freetards are practically the only ones still using mailing lists these days, it would be one of the few really polished projects, like Firefox, which outshine or at least reach feature parity with the proprietary competition.

I probably don't need to tell you that it isn't.

Listserv can do all kinds of things remotely. As of when I last used it, just about the only thing you couldn't do remotely with Listserv which you might actually want to do was to replace the existing list archives with an edited version. (And they may have added that feature by now -- it's been about a half-decade, after all.) It had search capability, it had an extensive command set to cover even the rarest contingencies, and it had fine-grained security controls (so, for example, you could let someone else take over running a list without giving them control over the entire Listserv installation). And the documentation was exhaustive.

Mailman, on the other hand, has practically no controls over security (you can't add or remove people from lists unless you have the central password for Mailman), is missing huge swaths of Listserv's feature set, doesn't do search, doesn't handle most text encodings well, has a message-filtering capability which always gives a generic response so you can't debug your filters easily, and just in general is a useless piece of crap. And the documentation is typical of everything that's wrong with open-source: the administrative documentation for the latest version is full of "to do: finish this section" (I checked, and it's still like that, years later!), and the documentation listings still give you the documentation for old versions basically because there isn't any for the new one.

And if you complain about broken behavior or request a feature, you get told "we're too busy to fix that/go ahead and do it yourself and send us a patch".

Anonymous said...

That wouldn't surprise me at all given the popularity of Exchange Server and Outlook, and formatting issues with Outlook these days are mostly about HTML formatting, which you have to consider anyway for every mail client in existence. But, of course, loons with big chips on their shoulders will just keep on complaining about everything MS even if it's the bog-standard thing in an office environment and create nothing more than needless tensions amongst coworkers.

Well, (a) no, it wasn't in the 1990s and (b) as I recall, the issues were things like ignoring "reply-to" headers, claiming to do redirects while not actually doing them, encoding things needlessly with base64 (which gums up list digests, and was also something Gmail did for a long time), stuff like that. Formatted messages were something of a problem, but there was a really good web page which gave instructions on how to make nearly every GUI mail client in existence send messages as plain text, so that wasn't really an issue.

Anonymous said...

Fuck your pointless discussions about mailing lists and email clients.

KIM SCHMITZ RELEASED ON BAIL

The mastermind roams free again. Fuck yeah!

Anonymous said...

Microsoft will die. Any day now. You heard it here first. It's written in the Bible. It's inevitable.

PS: Wow, does Google learn? Hard to read semi-inverted CAPTCHA word is gone. Two quite readable, slightly wobbled words now.

Anonymous said...

In other news:

YouPorn has switched to Redis from MySQL. Hooray!

On one monitor the source code of the Linux kernel, on the other monitor YouPorn. One hand at the keyboard, one hand at the penis.

Freedom, baby!

Anonymous said...

Linux sucks so much, I GET BLOW JOBS FROM IT!!!!

Flying Toaster said...

the issues were things like ignoring "reply-to" headers

Umm... What?

claiming to do redirects while not actually doing them

Maybe you have set up something incorrectly?

encoding things needlessly with base64

Again, even though Outlook does automatically do base64 conversion in some cases, chances are that you just messed up international settings or some other things.

Anonymous said...

Get the fuck out with your Outlook discussions.

This is Linux Hater's Blog!

If you need to ejaculate that badly, try the local sewer.

Anonymous said...

the issues were things like ignoring "reply-to" headers

Umm... What?


No, dipshit, I don't mean "not adding them", I mean "sending replies to messages which had 'reply-to' headers, but ignoring the address in the header". Outlook did this frequently. We never figured out why; no other mail clients had a problem.

claiming to do redirects while not actually doing them

Maybe you have set up something incorrectly?


Nope; there is a very definite standard for what a "redirect" actually is (having to do with leaving the existing headers untouched and adding some more to indicate that the message was redirected), and Outlook claims to be doing this while actually simply sending a fresh copy of the message.

Not super-important, but some of Listserv's moderation features required real redirects, so anyone who wanted to be a list moderator while we were on Listserv couldn't do it if they were using Outlook.

encoding things needlessly with base64

Again, even though Outlook does automatically do base64 conversion in some cases, chances are that you just messed up international settings or some other things.


As you would know if you were paying attention, this wasn't a case of me using Outlook and things going wrong, this was a case of other people using Outlook and me having to deal with the messes at the other end. So no, I didn't mess up any international settings.

From what I recall, it was a bug in Outlook which would cause it to base64-encode messages which contained nothing but plain English text (and therefore didn't need base64 encoding) under a set of not-too-rare circumstances. There was a setting which you could use to stop that, but if the mail was on an Exchange server -- which is the main reason why people use Outlook -- only the server administrator could change the setting, not the user.

Look, I know you're assuming I'm arguing for the superiority of FOSS because I'm criticizing a Microsoft product. I'm not. I'm specifically criticizing Outlook, because Outlook unnecessarily does a bunch of things it shouldn't do, and those things screw up the messages it sends out. I wouldn't even have a problem with it if it had to do those things to make new features work. It doesn't; the Outlook programmers just decided they weren't going to obey the standards.

Anonymous said...

Look, I know you're assuming I'm arguing for the superiority of FOSS because I'm criticizing a Microsoft product. I'm not. I'm specifically criticizing Outlook, because Outlook unnecessarily does a bunch of things it shouldn't do, and those things screw up the messages it sends out.

Give it up, will you? It's a lost cause. Flying Toaster is one of those not very rare specimens who loves Microsoft unconditionally. That Microsoft can screw up is a thought that never has entered his mind and never will. And therefore he's no better than the ordinary freetard who claims that FLOSS will be the savior of mankind day after day.

Anonymous said...

Ahh, there are the raging freetards.

Anonymous said...

It would be nice if google would stop dicking around with the captcha system.

Anonymous said...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Adobe Makes Flash on Linux Chrome-Only! Sure, the Slashtards are pretending that nothing of value is lost for now, but I'm sure they'll be lots of freetard bawwwing. Just like how they claimed to hate Flash yet bawwwed that iOS didn't have Flash. Or like how Photoshop sucks but they constantly beg for Adobe to port it.

Flying Toaster said...

No, dipshit, I don't mean "not adding them", I mean "sending replies to messages which had 'reply-to' headers, but ignoring the address in the header". Outlook did this frequently. We never figured out why; no other mail clients had a problem.

Never occured to me once. Maybe I am doing something, um... Wrong?

Nope; there is a very definite standard for what a "redirect" actually is[... A]nd Outlook claims to be doing this while actually simply sending a fresh copy of the message.

There is no such thing as "redirect" in RFC 5322, RFC 1123 or any other relevant standard, only "forwarding".

Outlook may modify part of the header, but it never starts the header afresh. There is also no RFC standard stating that the header of an Internet Message MUST NOT be untouched when forwarded by an Internet host (see section 5.2.6 in RFC 1123 for the relevant specifications and RFC 2119 on the definition of "SHOULD NOT").

If your complaint was about not being able to use certain spam-filtering or other email-related services due to their strict requirement regarding headers, then you should go and seek assistance from your providers or at least look up <a href="http://spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/122.html>their websites</a> instead of trying the hardest to row up the creek.

<b>but if the mail was on an Exchange server -- which is the main reason why people use Outlook -- only the server administrator could change the setting, not the user.</b>

So, what does that say exactly about <i>you</i> then?

<b>I'm specifically criticizing Outlook, because Outlook unnecessarily does a bunch of things it shouldn't do, and those things screw up the messages it sends out.</b>

Look - I wasn't born yesterday and I know what a typical blame game at the office looks like. There are plenty of "adminstrators" out there who can hardly bash two rocks together (e.g. Pogson) - let alone managing IT infrastructures for an enterprise - and the way you describe your experience simply does not inspire confidence in your ability to would-be sympathizers, nor does it specify any particular reason that anyone should agree with you on your conclusion rather than your few lines of arm-waving. If your goal here is to convince people of your view (whatever it is), then you are certainly not doing a very good job at it.

Anonymous said...

That wouldn't surprise me at all given the popularity of Exchange Server and Outlook, and formatting issues with Outlook these days are mostly about HTML formatting, which you have to consider anyway for every mail client in existence.

You haven't had to do e-mail marketing for anyone recently. I can tell, otherwise you'd know what a clusterfuck Outlook's formatting is. It's only become worse since they started using Word as the method for rendering HTML e-mails.

Certainly you have to account for formatting in every mail client, but one client in particular stands out as being far worse than the others: Outlook.

Anonymous said...

If your goal here is to convince people of your view (whatever it is), then you are certainly not doing a very good job at it.

We'll be the judges of that, Microsoft fanboy. And from where I'm sitting you're just another boring nametard who can't stand to lose an argument.

but if the mail was on an Exchange server -- which is the main reason why people use Outlook -- only the server administrator could change the setting, not the user.

So, what does that say exactly about you then?


It says absolutely fuck all about him, he's not administering the servers messages are being sent to.

Anonymous said...

You haven't had to do e-mail marketing for anyone recently.

You're fucking filth; I vow to run over with my car assholes who fucking send spam. Fuck off spamual you mutant spam fuck.

LinkInName said...

AAAAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Fucking suck it Freetards, where is your Stallman now?!

Adobe abandoning Flash on Loonix!!

Anonymous said...

So I was just reading this book about terrorists in Afghanistan and there's this really awesome scene right after where they reenact 9/11 and then this little terrorist boy is walking back home and his best terrorist friend is watching and then the evil nazi terrorist is like "boo" and his evil nazi henchmen are all like "boo" as wel and then the terrorist boy who was walking home is like "fuck you" and then the evil nazi terrorist is like "surprise buttsex!" and shoves his pecker up the terrorist boy who was walking home's butt and the terrorist boy who was walking home just takes it which makes him totally gay because he just took it up the butt and his terrorist best friend just stands there watching and then is like "this is hawt."

Anonymous said...

You're fucking filth; I vow to run over with my car assholes who fucking send spam. Fuck off spamual you mutant spam fuck.

lolwut? I was sending e-mails to an opt-in mailing list for a non-profit.

Granted the idiots who ran the non-profit were sending out lots of superfluous shit, but opting out was easy and relevant US anti-spam laws were followed (since that's where the non-profit was based).

As an aside: I didn't enjoy the job, but I have a mortgage to pay. If you have something against workers being forced into wage labor by capitalist social relations, I suggest you fuck off to North Korea or some shit.

Anonymous said...

@February 20, 2012 5:03 PM

If the language insists on looking inside strings to process meta characters, then there is a need to escape the back slash (or provide for different meta characters for different purposes). Or, they could have defined the single quote as a leave-it-alone quote with no meta characters, and used that:

whatever( $x, '\xFF' )

Either is preferable to the current bizarre scheme. They have made their lexical analyzer so complex they could no longer hack it and had to go invent perl 6. They don't seem to have learned any lessons, though. Perl 6 seems just as bad.

Anonymous said...

@February 22, 2012 10:00 AM

And the little boy got a visa to move to Canada, but only on the proviso he teach First Nations people on avoiding surprise buttsex and that he only eats instant mash bought from a bulk food store.

When he arrived in Canada, he met and married a woman who had a strange fascination with black cock. This was not a problem for the boy, since he could only get it up when NetInstalling his favourite Loonix distro.

THE END.

LinkInName said...

Wow! I'm impressed! KDE sold all ten of those tablets they made. See Link In Name

Dream Rapist said...

So last night I had this dream where I was part of this gang or something, and there was a hot young redheaded woman locked in a bathroom. And as part of this gang or whatever it was, I was allowed to have sex with her whenever I wanted, and she had no choice in the matter, she had to comply, out of fear.

It was basically rape but not violent. She didn't want to do it but in the dream I forced her to take her panties down and was going to fuck her. But then at that moment I woke up.

While awake, I felt bad about it and glad it was a dream, but also the feeling of being able to fuck that chick whenever I wanted turned me on and in a way I kind of wish I had something like that. What does this say about me?

Anonymous said...

You're a normal healthy male.

Anonymous said...

AAAAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Fucking suck it Freetards, where is your Stallman now?!

Adobe abandoning Flash on Loonix!!


Don't worry. Gnash is just around the corner. Besides, Flash is dead. HTML 6 will fix everything.

Flying Toaster said...

It's only become worse since they started using Word as the method for rendering HTML e-mails.

I don't get that one either, to be honest, but, hey, it's so obvious that most email client just happen to have perfect CSS support and never need to resort to putting everything in a giant table, right?

You haven't had to do e-mail marketing for anyone recently. I can tell, otherwise you'd know what a clusterfuck Outlook's formatting is.

Notice how I have got references for every point I make? It's called "substantiating your claim", and you, my friend, are nothing but another Pogson to me.

We'll be the judges of that, Microsoft fanboy. And from where I'm sitting you're just another boring nametard who can't stand to lose an argument.

My refusal to post as "Anonymous" sure has made your blood boil. Maybe it's time for you to lay off that PCP?

It says absolutely fuck all about him, he's not administering the servers messages are being sent to.

Are you actually following? Do you even know what an Exchange server is at all?

Anonymous said...

Are you actually following? Do you even know what an Exchange server is at all?

Hey, leave him alone, he's a Pissed Off Penguin!

Anonymous said...

Hell yeah, it's Flying Toaster again. The bad thing about Linux Hater's Blog is that it attracts unemployed IT "experts" by the dozen. I love it that he claims to not post as "Anonymous", just because he has chosen a fucking nickname! Apparently it was either inspired by staring at the "Flying Toasters" for too long or he literally throws toasters out of the window whenever he's in a fit of rage. His mom must have the hardest time with the rascal.

Anonymous said...

So, does javascript work well in M$ outlook, or did the softies mess that up too?

Anonymous said...

"Lotus notes is the worst computer program in existence."

Discuss.

Anonymous said...

"Lotus notes is the worst computer program in existence."

Discuss.


I don't normally give in to these but this set me off.

The Domino interface is set back to 1997 technology with Java(TM) Applets (oh joy, let's hang the browser and download some shitty little Java program that will surely fuck up whatever processing is on the other side).

Don't forget too that it has no ability to search and doesn't support AJAX whatsoever. Lotus Bloats looks like something put together by a couple of basement freetards.

*end of rant*

Anonymous said...

Domino interface = Web interface for those not having had the misfortune of using the Lotus Notes web interface.

Oh yeah, and also, you need to get your IT dept to give you a key file for your computer so that you can use the Windows client.

A fucking key file. In. 2012. Key. File. IBM: just kill yourselves.

Kermit - dirty little wanker said...

Miss Piggy!

Anonymous said...

I don't get that one either, to be honest, but, hey, it's so obvious that most email client just happen to have perfect CSS support and never need to resort to putting everything in a giant table, right?

Oh look, it's JoeMonco again: whatever you say he twists into some tangential black and white argument. There can't be degrees of support for CSS and HTML in different mail clients with Microsoft providing probably the worst, nope! I must be saying saying all other mail clients are perfect and Outlook is shit. What myself and the other anon are saying is they're varying degrees of bad and Outlook is probably the worst.

Notice how I have got references for every point I make? It's called "substantiating your claim", and you, my friend, are nothing but another Pogson to me.

Definitely JoeMonco. Next you'll be copy/pasta-ing from Wikipedia and calling us all "Adam King".

Regarding your point: I don't really give a shit whether you believe me. This is the Linux Haters' Blog, not your local fucking debating society.

My refusal to post as "Anonymous" sure has made your blood boil. Maybe it's time for you to lay off that PCP?

Meh. I said you're boring, that's not what I would have said if you were enraging me.

Are you actually following? Do you even know what an Exchange server is at all?

Yes, I know what Exchange is and does. The problem is you weren't making a coherent point about what that other anon was doing, just: "Now what does that say about you?" Like a patronising cunt.

Anonymous said...

Queef appears to be back. Welcome back queef, you raging freetard.

Anonymous said...

I said you're boring

pot -> kettle -> black

Now continue with your emotionally charged and intellectually bereft pissing contest over your opinion on Outlook.

Anonymous said...

Wow, outlook seems to be evoking some strong reaction from some of the posters around here. How can that be, when lotus notes is the absolute worst email client anyone has had the misfortune of using?

I don't know how it handles css or whatever, but if the bums did that like they did everything else, then I'd say outlook has some stiff competition in that regard. Outlook is at least user friendly.

Anonymous said...

pot -> kettle -> black

Now continue with your emotionally charged and intellectually bereft pissing contest over your opinion on Outlook.


Nah, I never said I was interesting.

How can that be, when lotus notes is the absolute worst email client anyone has had the misfortune of using?

True, not even Outlook is worse than Lotus Notes.

Anonymous said...

More buttraping afghanistani terrorists.

Oh look said...

Queef appears to be back. Welcome back queef, you raging freetard.

Anonymous said...

>True, not even Outlook is worse than Lotus Notes.

Okay, you fail the freetard test. Congratulations.

Anonymous said...

Actually, to be fair, Outlook is a pretty great piece of software. It just has some annoyances.

Anonymous said...

I'd use outlook any day over pretty much any mail client. Freetarded ones are usually the worst.

Anonymous said...

Look - I wasn't born yesterday and I know what a typical blame game at the office looks like.

Uh, this wasn't in an office. (Or, at least, the subscribers to the lists were mostly not in the same organization as the list server.)

The people who had problems because of Outlook were scattered all over the place, as were the majority of users, who were not using Outlook and were not having problems. (The average size of the main list was around 1100 subscribers, but all the lists had lots of subscription/unsubscription activity all the time.) So this isn't just some single Outlook/Exchange installation causing problems, it's Outlook itself.

But hey, keep telling me how Outlook can't be a problem because the theoretical descriptions of it claim it works flawlessly. It's much more convincing than what I actually experienced in practice.

Anonymous said...

It's much more convincing than what I actually experienced in practice.

Give up arguing, you're up against JoeMonco, he'll just twist what you said to make it look like you support pedophilia or try to declare victory by calling you 'Queef'.

Probably not as bad as TM Repository, if anyone else remembers that 12 hour flame fest a few months back.

Anonymous said...

So whatever happened to Java sissy boy. He coincidentally disappeared the moment Mongoloid and BM Suppository rage quit. I was sup looking forward to getting his advice on the best design of a datetime factory builder.

Anonymous said...

So whatever happened to Java sissy boy.

He started arguing to support his opinion on Outlook, then queefed out, but you already knew that Queef.

Anonymous said...

So Boring and the TurdRepository squad is back?

Anonymous said...

The people who had problems because of Outlook were scattered all over the place, as were the majority of users, who were not using Outlook and were not having problems.

And which email client are you using?

Flash said...

Yeah, it's not going away. It's just no longer going to use the netscape plugin API, suck it Holwerda.

Anonymous said...

Linux API is a pinnacle of the genre!

Flying Toaster said...

@February 22, 2012 9:08 AM, February 22, 2012 9:21 AM, February 22, 2012 12:55 PM

I love it that he claims to not post as "Anonymous", just because he has chosen a fucking nickname!

Great deduction skills you have get there. Sure no one would have figured that out without your unparalleled talents!

There can't be degrees of support for CSS and HTML in different mail clients with Microsoft providing probably the worst, nope!

The world is probably going to end in 21st December as well.

If that's your understanding of a "substantiated" argument, then may I suggest you to give up trying althogether? There is more than plenty of this going on at Pogson's blog.

Definitely JoeMonco. Next you'll be copy/pasta-ing from Wikipedia and calling us all "Adam King".

Whatever.

And you must have nothing short of a couple of RFCs to prove that what Outlook does to email headers violates established standards, right?

I don't really give a shit whether you believe me. This is the Linux Haters' Blog, not your local fucking debating society.


Great reasoning skills. There is no doubt that the Fortune 500 are indeed dying to hire you.

Anonymous said...

And which email client are you using?

Right now? The one built into Mac OS X. It has some problems -- no priority setting, the attempts to integrate it with the address book and calendar are mostly just annoying, etc. -- but none which cause me grief on a regular basis.

I used to use Eudora -- for a while it had the best balance of accuracy, control, power, and lack of bloat. But they kept killing it off and then changing their minds and bringing it back, so I got fed up and switched to a series of others, and ended up here. You can imagine my disgust when I went and looked it up just now and discovered that it is now a FOSS project with guts based on Thunderbird. Feh!

Anonymous said...

Great deduction skills you have get there. Sure no one would have figured that out without your unparalleled talents!


Not sure why you're being snobby there Toaster Twat, you were the one claiming to not be anonymous.

Flying Toaster said...

The people who had problems because of Outlook were scattered all over the place, as were the majority of users, who were not using Outlook and were not having problems.... So this isn't just some single Outlook/Exchange installation causing problems, it's Outlook itself.

So, obviously, you were not responsible for the Exchange servers in question. Nevertheless, let's take a step back and have a look at what you said @February 22, 2012 12:25 AM, shall we?

"Again, even though Outlook does automatically do base64 conversion in some cases, chances are that you just messed up international settings or some other things."

"From what I recall, it was a bug in Outlook which would cause it to base64-encode messages which contained nothing but plain English text (and therefore didn't need base64 encoding) under a set of not-too-rare circumstances. There was a setting which you could use to stop that, but if the mail was on an Exchange server -- which is the main reason why people use Outlook -- only the server administrator could change the setting, not the user."

So you are saying that apparently the only way to fix the problem was to change the settings in the servers, and because apparently the users couldn't have done anything to them, Outlook, the client software, was most definitely the one to blame and not mismanaged servers.

Do you see why I am not following your flow of logic here?

Anonymous said...

You can imagine my disgust when I went and looked [Eudora] up just now and discovered that it is now a FOSS project with guts based on Thunderbird.

Actually they dropped Eudora OSE and made it a plugin.

A plugin that hasn't been updated since T-Bird 3.something.

Flying Toaster said...

Not sure why you're being snobby there Toaster Twat, you were the one claiming to not be anonymous.

No, apparently, I just claimed to be "Flying Toaster" and not consciously selected "Name/URL" and typed the exact words there.

What would the rest of humankind do without your amazing intellect?

Anonymous said...

So you are saying that apparently the only way to fix the problem was to change the settings in the servers, and because apparently the users couldn't have done anything to them, Outlook, the client software, was most definitely the one to blame and not mismanaged servers.

Do you see why I am not following your flow of logic here?


No, actually, I don't. You seem to be deliberately obtuse in an attempt to defend the Outlook devs for some bizarre reason.

In the first place, Outlook should not have been applying base64 encoding. These were messages using only characters in the ASCII character set, and without any attachments. (I remember checking, and these weren't even using curly quotes.) Base64 is, for any language using a Latin character set, an encoding of last resort; for purely English text, it is utterly useless.

But on top of that, Outlook was doing this inappropriate action on the basis of a setting which should have had nothing to do with this behavior. Basically, the "how much encoding does this message require" detector was broken.

The fact that the settings change "fix" was restricted to server administrators in some accounts has nothing to do with whether or not a bug existed in the first place. Technically, if anyone were stupid enough to use Outlook without an Exchange account, they could have applied the settings change themselves.

Anonymous said...

No, apparently, I just claimed to be "Flying Toaster" and not consciously selected "Name/URL" and typed the exact words there.

Right. Because a pseudonym isn't anonymous at all. I bet your birth certificate is made out in the name of "Toaster, Flying".

Anonymous said...

Actually they dropped Eudora OSE and made it a plugin.

A plugin that hasn't been updated since T-Bird 3.something.


Eeew. I didn't bother to read that far when I looked it up just now. I feel embarrassed ever to have used the thing now.

This is what I imagine it would feel like to remember an old friend from high school, look them up on Google, and discover that they were now a chapter president of NAMBLA.

Flying Toaster said...

Apparently it was either inspired by staring at the "Flying Toasters" for too long

But they were so damend cute!

Flying Toaster said...

Right. Because a pseudonym isn't anonymous at all. I bet your birth certificate is made out in the name of "Toaster, Flying".

So, does that mean I am obliged to select "Anonymous" every time I post something? Last time I checked, I was even making a fuss about it until you or whoever decided to chip in on the issue.

Flying Toaster said...

In the first place, Outlook should not have been applying base64 encoding. These were messages using only characters in the ASCII character set, and without any attachments. (I remember checking, and these weren't even using curly quotes.) Base64 is, for any language using a Latin character set, an encoding of last resort; for purely English text, it is utterly useless.

You are still not following. The argument is not about whether this should happen, but whether there is something else other than Outlook to cause it to occur.

You sure are one heck of a speciman, aren't you?

Anonymous said...

Great reasoning skills. There is no doubt that the Fortune 500 are indeed dying to hire you.

Curriculum Vitae
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Name: Talkie Toaster
Born: 31/05/1948
Occupation: Smug cunt

Education:
Reads Wikipedia every day!

Experience:

1963-69 "The Incredible Auto-Fellating Dwarf!" -- Second Rate Circus

1969-70 After six months spent stuck round the back of UNIX mainframe, became fluffer and teaboy for computer scientists

1970-82 Senior Computer Scientist Fluffer - IBM

1982-85 Was left in Hong Kong while on business trip, unsure of details but woke up in a whore house somewhere in Thailand with viciously sore anus and no less than 26 venereal diseases

1985-88 Paid off "debt" to pimp, became woman

1989-93 Learnt arcane arts of Cuntage and Borekwando from Dr Loser

1993-present Founder and Director - Smug Cunts Online PLC

1999-present Director: Auto-fellating Dwarves - Cirque Du Soleil


Interests
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Outside of being a boring, pompous cunt online, also enjoys being a boring, pompous cunt in everyday life too.

Hooker groupons

Correcting hookers on finer points of software usage, demanding hookers produce evidence in form of RFCs

Flying Toaster said...

I was even making a fuss

was -> wasn't

Elderly Computer Scientist said...

There's nothing better, when you have a pile of punch cards to sort, sitting down at a table and getting a blowjob from a cross-dressing dwarf who calls themselves Flying Toaster.

Puts me right in the mood to sort punch cards does that.

Anonymous said...

You are still not following. The argument is not about whether this should happen, but whether there is something else other than Outlook to cause it to occur.

Well, seeing as how having it happen was the bug, the bug was Outlook's problem. You seem to think that the setting which fixed the problem was meant to fix the problem; it wasn't. It controlled something unrelated to mail encoding, but turning it on (or was it setting it to a different value in a popup? I forget which setting it was at this point) fixed the bug.

(Besides, the alternative would be "Microsoft fucked up the interface between Outlook and Exchange." I don't see how that conclusion helps your argument.)

Anonymous said...

This argument is worse than the global warming one. But, at least they are discussing something real.

Anonymous said...

Not that I care either way about the Outlook argument but the anon fag who keeps doing the ad hominem just because someone chose a name, give it a rest already.

You sound like one of those bitter freetards who personally attacks anyone who mentions that they use Windows.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, knock it off jackass.

JavaScript Toasters said...

Heh.

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